Guild Wars 2

After looking at the new gemstore Items, I have to ask the oldest question in the book. Why can’t we have mounts, that are purely cosmetic, but not just brooms, and digging machines.. or this new recent flying one?

It’d be nice to run around on some Mini cute horse mount (Although there are none seen in game, npc’s do speak of them in DR) Or some animal mount in general?

We can Ride brooms, dig under ground, fly a carpet, and now even fly with some electrical stuff. So … why not just ride a cute mount, normally?

Not asking for a speed buff, not asking for it to be anything other than what we have already, but with a different look. A more traditional mount type of look. I have no issue with brooms or carpets, I own both, but I’d like a nice dolyack mount or bull (whatever animal they choose).

Anyone else think the same? Sorry if this is confusing to read!

It’s been answered a hundred times – The game engine won’t allow it.

Is all bullkitten ofc they can do it we already have enemy ridin a raptor and more ofc they can do it

Nightcore.5621:

Is all bullkitten ofc they can do it we already have enemy ridin a raptor and more ofc they can do it

Yes, because comparing a limited amount of mounted of npcs to a maximum of 100 – 150 mounted players is valid.

In this case it’s not an issue of if the engine can do it, but how much processor power is required. Playing the game at 1-5 frames is not something a developer aims at.

Cyninja.2954:

Nightcore.5621:

Is all bullkitten ofc they can do it we already have enemy ridin a raptor and more ofc they can do it

Yes, because comparing a limited amount of mounted of npcs to a maximum of 100 – 150 mounted players is valid.

In this case it’s not an issue of if the engine can do it, but how much processor power is required. Playing the game at 1-5 frames is not something a developer aims at.

We already have a “hidden minis when there are too many people on the map”. We can have the same for mounts.

We know there are frequent complaints from players regarding their FPS and DC’s in crowded maps. What we don’t know is just how many cosmetic mounts players are buying. Were I to judge by what I see, I’d be saying that few buy them, or and no one uses them anywhere other than cities. I am of the opinion that the market for cosmetic-only mounts is small. Thus, we see one once in a while, and that’s it.

I’m also of the opinion that if cosmetic riding animal mounts were to start appearing, it would not be long before the complaints about, “No speed boost!” would start coming in. I’m not sure that’s a can of worms ANet would want to open.

So why can’t we have cosmetic mounts … though you already acknowledged the existence of cosmetic mounts in the gemstore. OK, moving right along.

Daroon.1736:

It’s been answered a hundred times – The game engine won’t allow it.

Not being rude, this an honest question. What do you mean the game engine won’t allow it? the guy is basically asking that instead of another inanimate travel toy we get an animal of some sorts. Heck why not release a beetle travel toy? The frogs seem to enjoy it. Just need some new sitting positions or why not re-use some from other existing toys such as the broom and the asura, that one would fit.

He’s asking for Travel Toys that look like Mounts. He doesn’t want a mount system like in BDO, for example.

But seriously. I think all the travel toys are terrible. They’re on the same level as the shortbow legendary. Terrible skins, terrible animations, horrific sounds, and in pretty much every essence of their existence pointless and dumb. I don’t care how “cool they look”. Riding around on a mount isn’t what guildwars is about. Have the team focus on real things like balance and new weapon and armor skins.

Merging is anticipated and appreciated.

Lahmia.2193:

Cyninja.2954:

Nightcore.5621:

Is all bullkitten ofc they can do it we already have enemy ridin a raptor and more ofc they can do it

Yes, because comparing a limited amount of mounted of npcs to a maximum of 100 – 150 mounted players is valid.

In this case it’s not an issue of if the engine can do it, but how much processor power is required. Playing the game at 1-5 frames is not something a developer aims at.

We already have a “hidden minis when there are too many people on the map”. We can have the same for mounts.

Oh yes, that will go great. I can already hear the screams and forum flames once implemented:

- buhuhu why does my mount get deactivated. I paid good money for it.

Not to mention the awkward position players would be in when mounted if the mount simply gets devisualised or not rendered (and all the complications that brings).

Still, it has been a couple of weeks since this dead horse was beaten. Let’s beat it some more.

MEGA SPOILER.
IT MIGHT UPSET SOME PLAYERS.

I’m sorry to break it into you,but these “toys” are mounts really.
How is the flying carpet any different than the flying carpet in WoW,or the ascender any different than the levitate mount in Rift?Or the broom any different than a speeder in SWTOR*?

I know it must be hard to understand.
But there is no Santa(spoiler,sorry)
And there are mounts already in the game.
They just don’t give you a speed buff.
And of course the game didn’t blow up,and the engine allows it.

*Ok,it’s easier to build and a bit less advanced technology.
The speeder that is!

Aenaos.8160:

MEGA SPOILER.
IT MIGHT UPSET SOME PLAYERS.

I’m sorry to break it into you,but these “toys” are mounts really.
How is the flying carpet any different than the flying carpet in WoW,or the ascender any different than the levitate mount in Rift?Or the broom any different than a speeder in SWTOR*?

I know it must be hard to understand.
But there is no Santa(spoiler,sorry)
And there are mounts already in the game.
They just don’t give you a speed buff.
And of course the game didn’t blow up,and the engine allows it.

*Ok,it’s easier to build and a bit less advanced technology.
The speeder that is!

MEGA SPOILER.
IT MIGHT UPSET SOME PLAYERS.

I’m sorry to break it into you,but these “mounts” are toys really.
How is the flying carpet in any way similar to the flying carpet in WoW, or the ascender in any way similar to the levitate mount in Rift? Or the broom in any way similar to the speeder in SWTOR*?

I know it must be hard to understand.
But there is no Santa(spoiler,sorry)
And there are toys already in the game.
They just don’t give you a speed buff.
And of course the game didn’t blow up,and the engine allows it.

Arenanet have officially stated that the engine would not do well with mounts implemented and requiring additional rendering. As long as they do not change that stance I’ll take their word over yours.

Keep trying though. Thousands before you have tried, and thousands will continue to try because there is always this group of players that move on to a different MMO and then want everything changed so it becomes a copy of their old MMO which they had grown bored of.

Cyninja.2954:

Aenaos.8160:

MEGA SPOILER.
IT MIGHT UPSET SOME PLAYERS.

I’m sorry to break it into you,but these “toys” are mounts really.
How is the flying carpet any different than the flying carpet in WoW,or the ascender any different than the levitate mount in Rift?Or the broom any different than a speeder in SWTOR*?

I know it must be hard to understand.
But there is no Santa(spoiler,sorry)
And there are mounts already in the game.
They just don’t give you a speed buff.
And of course the game didn’t blow up,and the engine allows it.

*Ok,it’s easier to build and a bit less advanced technology.
The speeder that is!

MEGA SPOILER.
IT MIGHT UPSET SOME PLAYERS.

I’m sorry to break it into you,but these “mounts” are toys really.
How is the flying carpet in any way similar to the flying carpet in WoW, or the ascender in any way similar to the levitate mount in Rift? Or the broom in any way similar to the speeder in SWTOR*?

I know it must be hard to understand.
But there is no Santa(spoiler,sorry)
And there are toys already in the game.
They just don’t give you a speed buff.
And of course the game didn’t blow up,and the engine allows it.

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Arenanet have officially stated that the engine would not do well with mounts implemented and requiring additional rendering. As long as they do not change that stance I’ll take their word over yours.

Keep trying though. Thousands before you have tried, and thousands will continue to try because there is always this group of players that move on to a different MMO and then want everything changed so it becomes a copy of their old MMO which they had grown bored of.

These are already rendered by the engine,that is why you can see them.
Of course you can play with words,and every time you see a carpet or a broom or a ascender being rendered by the game engine,look the other way and say it isn’t so.

These are items that are rendered by the game engine.
Your character rides on them or they make you character float over the ground.
You activate them by interacting with them in your inventory.
You can dismount(sorry for that inappropriate word) them at will when out of combat and then enable them,again at will.
When you go in combat you dismount them,and then after you go out of combat you can have them to either automatically activate,as in auto mount them,or use the manual activation again,as in manually mount them.
This is the description of a mount.
A mount may give you a speed buff.Or it may not.
But it is not the speed buff,or any other buff,that makes it a mount.

Whether or not they’ll add speed buffs for those mounts is irrelevant.
I’d like them to do so,maybe in a few years after we’ve all grown older and the whole “toy” theme has sunk in with the player base.

Aenaos.8160:

Of course you can play with words,and every time you see a carpet or a broom or a ascender being rendered by the game engine,look the other way and say it isn’t so.

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Not that I care for mounts, but it will be really funny the day they introduce a travel toy that resembles a mount (well I mean other than the ones that already exist).

On a side note, there is a giant thread that this topic belongs in.

Daroon.1736:

It’s been answered a hundred times – The game engine won’t allow it.

This not only hasn’t been said a hundred times, it’s never been said once, at least not by anybody who knows what they are talking about. Maybe a hundred times over again by the same group of bandwagoning forumites.

Cyninja.2954:

Arenanet have officially stated that the engine would not do well with mounts implemented and requiring additional rendering. As long as they do not change that stance I’ll take their word over yours.

I don’t recall Anet saying anything about rendering, the only thing I recall them talking about was the Way Point System made mounts invalid.

But this discussion is about purely cosmetic mounts, IE: No Speed Buff.

With that put out, I don’t see how a riding a motorcycle (Which Iron Legion Charr supposedly already do) would be any more graphically intense then a sitting on a hovering carpet.

Mounts are in the game now, so just wait and surely they will add more traditional types too.

Wow my message got deleted but not this nonsense thread about mounts?

People who keeps bringing up these mount suggestion need to get punished by a 99% tax in the TP. It had been clear over and over again, they won’t do it, period. The interest in the community is tepid to begin with. The Waypoint system already render mounts unnecessary. There’s a boon called swiftness if you need speed. Most class has one way or another to get some sort of speed boost enough to get from point A to B between the way points. Mounts with speed boost will also diminish the existing speed buff (Gliding already did so in certain extend). But if they introduce mounts without speed boost, there will be cry about “what’s the point of mount without speed”? Absolutely Anet will not put themselves in that sort of position.

Like the camel in the story that got into the tent by first putting its nose in the door, so do mounts now have their “nose in the door” through the toy travel items. Because truthfully, what is the difference between sitting on a magic carpet or sitting on a beetle to ride around on, or a horse or dolyak for that matter. If the next toy is a beetle to sit on like the ones the frogs ride on in the Hot then that’s a mount in all but name.

I think the no mounts side has lost the argument.

If the cosmetic mounts where new then the fairy tail nose in the tent might ring true. They have been in the game since the first Halloween event just after the game was released. Either a really slow camel or you know not a good analogy.

Yargesh.4965:

If the cosmetic mounts where new then the fairy tail nose in the tent might ring true. They have been in the game since the first Halloween event just after the game was released. Either a really slow camel or you know not a good analogy.

You did notice they have recently both updated them so they work better and added a new one? Just because they ignored them for a long time doesn’t mean they haven’t realized how many people want mounts and the money potential from selling them. Now you tell me honestly whether or not you think more “travel items” are going to show up in the gemstore. And if they were to add a beetle you can ride on then explain to me the difference between that and a mount.

I did notice it, did not notice a pony.

Yargesh.4965:

I did notice it, did not notice a pony.

Mounts are much more than ponies. That’s too narrow a viewpoint.

They might not ever add horses, since horses are not truly in game. They might not add rideable dolyaks, since they would need something that scales for races that range from a tiny Asura to a max sized Charr or Norn. But they will be adding more travel items. The money is too good to ignore. And some of those travel items will be mounts in all but name. They will be animals or items that the player character sits on to travel across the map, which is a mount by another name.

it would just add to the loading and the lag that already affects alot of players. it wouldnt add to the already ruined lore and the maps and cities arent big enough- it would require more space and you would see less players in ‘populated’ maps because of the loading and FPS drop due to the size of the mounts. I hope they dont add mounts- they already did the flying crap and you see ridiculous charr/norn with huge stupid wings blocking your view so please, no mounts.