Guild Wars 2

serenke.4806:

Pandaman.4758:

If it’s the latter the staff will take one look at their Rules of Engagement and the Geneva Convention, realize it doesn’t apply to dealing with hostile shrubbery, and have a jolly old time pounding Mordremoth into an ash pile from hundreds of miles away with the ridiculous stockpiles of artillery we constantly accumulate in the name of peace. About the only thing that will give the military pause is evacuating civilians, but since Mordremoth doesn’t seem to be keen on taking hostages as human shields it’s more of a speed bump than an obstacle that needs getting around

Hundreds of miles away does not work with a dragon that has the ability to send minions across the whole continent.

Pandaman.4758:

Look up modern bunker busters. Designed to not only punch through fortified underground facilities, their sensors have the ability to count how many floors it has gone through before detonating, allowing payloads to be delivered exactly where the sender wants it, no signature required. They come in nuclear flavor too, if you’re unconvinced one would have sufficient oomph to obliterate a dragon.

Mhm, and if the vines would stop the bunker buster before it would go deep enough then it would not detonate because it would just count floors while stuck in the shrubbery? Remember, it’s the jungle you are trying to shoot.

Also, not sure why nobody reads posts they are replying to, but

Could our own, real-life military wage war on Mordermoth and its minions and win? Based on our highest available technology (aka USA army much), with helicopters, fighter jets, artillery, infantry and tanks, but not nuclear weapons.

Thoughts?

“Not nuclear weapons.”

Why not include nuclear weapons since it’s our own, real-life military and based on our highest available technology? Why exempt our most potent weapons unless there is a reason to make it not our highest available technology.

Removing nuclear weapons means it’s not us and our technology but some other technology or some other time in the past before it was developed.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Why not include nuclear weapons since it’s our own, real-life military and based on our highest available technology? Why exempt our most potent weapons unless there is a reason to make it not our highest available technology.

Removing nuclear weapons means it’s not us and our technology but some other technology or some other time in the past before it was developed.

I would assume simply because nuclear weapons aren’t actually used in modern warfare.

lordkrall.7241:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Why not include nuclear weapons since it’s our own, real-life military and based on our highest available technology? Why exempt our most potent weapons unless there is a reason to make it not our highest available technology.

Removing nuclear weapons means it’s not us and our technology but some other technology or some other time in the past before it was developed.

I would assume simply because nuclear weapons aren’t actually used in modern warfare.

True, but it’s a morals based reason, not a effectiveness reason. They did use them before the moral objections arose.

Edit: a second reason they aren’t used was because of their effectiveness. They are too effective. During the Cold War the Russians and Americans did have them aimed at each other. It was the fear of the consequences that held both sides back during this Mexican standoff. It was also fear of escalation that stopped the use of these weapons during other, smaller wars as well as moral objections. They even developed the Neutron bomb during that time, a weapon that would kill people but not damage buildings.

Presumably there wouldn’t be these considerations for use against a plant dragon.

Calling Agent Orange… come in Agent Orange…

You mean if the US army was suddenly transported into Tyria? There is no magic in our world, so the Elder Dragons could not exist here.

In that case…no. Without nukes, I do not think it would be possible. There is no way he would be susceptible to biological agents, and ground troops would get tentacled. You would be left with with air power and missiles, which would never be able to finish it.

Let`s see.
Over the years we accumulated several weapons of mass destructions.
Modern nukes are much more powerfull then the ones we shot in WW2 and we got loads of it.

Since we are facing an enemy where the normal rules of war don`t apply and we can go all out, I don`t see any problems with bombing that place.

However we do not need nukes. We allready got bombs which get the same amount of damage done as many have allready mentioned.

getting things through
Ever heard of two phased attacks?
One small attack to destroy the defense.
Second attack brings the heavy hitter in.

As long as Mordremoth doesn`t show signs of very rapid regrowth of vines or any magical nonsense he might have, bombing the place to hell and back might not be unreasonable.

Then we got chemical and biological ways to attack. some which are usual not as legally accepted, but hey, as someone has allready pointed out, bioengineering like Monsanto who build their empire on designing plants and have them litteraly weed out the competition , would have a fieldday with Mordy.

btw. We might want to get the people who live there out, though. Just for the public concious etc.
Don`t think our Hylek friends like having their brethren bombed… though given their religious differences that might not even apply.
Still, we got Tengu there I think.

This all depends on how modern tech would be used by Mordremoth thrall. Any advancement in tech could be theoretically be used against the us, due to Mordremoth ability to control.

HawkMeister.4758:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

HawkMeister.4758:

One word: CHARR!
There´s you´re “modern day” military right in game.

You can’t compare the in game engineer rifles to modern machine guns, and their artillery doesn’t have 1/10th the range or firepower our artillery does.

I thought that was the whole point of this silly thread?

And with the fact that Charr manged to create guns with unlimited ammo, that means our army units would be hilariously outclassed by 4 foot armored roaring Bigcats running at them fullspeed (what 30 MPH?) while they fumblingly try to reload.

Also you vastly overestimate the utility of artillery and air superiority(see US defeats in Vietnam or recently Afghanistan) while underestimating a well machined “steam punk” gun. Our modern infantry guns and rifles are barely more advanced from WW1&2 era weapons. And in the German case even criminally inferior.

As for the Pact side, Asura build the MEGA-lasers for the mega dragons.
They would easily adapt if they had to deal with some silly bookah flying machines that fight by throwing away explosive slugs propelled in tubes farting hot gases out the backside.

Unlimited ammo doesn’t mean anything at all. Don’t know what you are smoking. A Charr rifle can only shoot things at a close range with limited firing rate. Any machine gun can fire hundreds of rounds per minute at a much, much longer range. By the time you have to reload, you will already have killed an entire regiment of “4 foot armored roaring Bigcats”

“Vastly overestimate the utility of artillery and air superiority” well actually I don’t. For you to claim that the US “lost” in Vietman because of air superiority proves you don’t know what you are talking about. Vietman wasn’t about destroying an entire population, it was about conquering and converting Vietman from communism to capitalism. If their goal was to wipe out all of Vietman, they would have likely been able to do so, unless if the USSR interfered. Also how is Afghanistan a defeat? Have you seen the state in which that country is? Do you even live on planet Earth?

“They would easily adapt if they had to deal with some silly bookah flying machines that fight by throwing away explosive slugs propelled in tubes farting hot gases out the backside.”

So much hate on jet fighters. Case you haven’t noticed, their technology is designed to fight off giants that throw boulders at them or out-of-control golems and Inquest. I’m pretty sure that a plane capable of reaching speeds of 3000km/h and firing missiles with huge explosive power is well beyond the giants they typically fight. Have you seen the poor firing rate of the MEGALIT cannon? And that’s the best laser they had. A jet fighter would have made short work of Zhaitan with no difficulty.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Unlimited ammo doesn’t mean anything at all. Don’t know what you are smoking. A Charr rifle can only shoot things at a close range with limited firing rate. Any machine gun can fire hundreds of rounds per minute at a much, much longer range. By the time you have to reload, you will already have killed an entire regiment of “4 foot armored roaring Bigcats”

“Vastly overestimate the utility of artillery and air superiority” well actually I don’t. For you to claim that the US “lost” in Vietman because of air superiority proves you don’t know what you are talking about. Vietman wasn’t about destroying an entire population, it was about conquering and converting Vietman from communism to capitalism. If their goal was to wipe out all of Vietman, they would have likely been able to do so, unless if the USSR interfered. Also how is Afghanistan a defeat? Have you seen the state in which that country is? Do you even live on planet Earth?

“They would easily adapt if they had to deal with some silly bookah flying machines that fight by throwing away explosive slugs propelled in tubes farting hot gases out the backside.”

So much hate on jet fighters. Case you haven’t noticed, their technology is designed to fight off giants that throw boulders at them or out-of-control golems and Inquest. I’m pretty sure that a plane capable of reaching speeds of 3000km/h and firing missiles with huge explosive power is well beyond the giants they typically fight. Have you seen the poor firing rate of the MEGALIT cannon? And that’s the best laser they had. A jet fighter would have made short work of Zhaitan with no difficulty.

All Anet needs to do is write [Reflects Projectiles] into the enemy’s algorithm and your military is scuppered

GuzziHero.2467:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Unlimited ammo doesn’t mean anything at all. Don’t know what you are smoking. A Charr rifle can only shoot things at a close range with limited firing rate. Any machine gun can fire hundreds of rounds per minute at a much, much longer range. By the time you have to reload, you will already have killed an entire regiment of “4 foot armored roaring Bigcats”

“Vastly overestimate the utility of artillery and air superiority” well actually I don’t. For you to claim that the US “lost” in Vietman because of air superiority proves you don’t know what you are talking about. Vietman wasn’t about destroying an entire population, it was about conquering and converting Vietman from communism to capitalism. If their goal was to wipe out all of Vietman, they would have likely been able to do so, unless if the USSR interfered. Also how is Afghanistan a defeat? Have you seen the state in which that country is? Do you even live on planet Earth?

“They would easily adapt if they had to deal with some silly bookah flying machines that fight by throwing away explosive slugs propelled in tubes farting hot gases out the backside.”

So much hate on jet fighters. Case you haven’t noticed, their technology is designed to fight off giants that throw boulders at them or out-of-control golems and Inquest. I’m pretty sure that a plane capable of reaching speeds of 3000km/h and firing missiles with huge explosive power is well beyond the giants they typically fight. Have you seen the poor firing rate of the MEGALIT cannon? And that’s the best laser they had. A jet fighter would have made short work of Zhaitan with no difficulty.

All Anet needs to do is write [Reflects Projectiles] into the enemy’s algorithm and your military is scuppered

Obviously this is considering that the real life military takes on Mordremoth as he is right now without any additional, anti-real life magic added. If we’re considering Deus Ex Machina in this you could also say all they have to do is spawn a black hole in Tyria and delete everything.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Obviously this is considering that the real life military takes on Mordremoth as he is right now without any additional, anti-real life magic added. If we’re considering Deus Ex Machina in this you could also say all they have to do is spawn a black hole in Tyria and delete everything.

And how is Mordremoth right now?

lordkrall.7241:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Obviously this is considering that the real life military takes on Mordremoth as he is right now without any additional, anti-real life magic added. If we’re considering Deus Ex Machina in this you could also say all they have to do is spawn a black hole in Tyria and delete everything.

And how is Mordremoth right now?

No one has ever said he has anti-real life weapon magic as far as I know.

serenke.4806:

Hundreds of miles away does not work with a dragon that has the ability to send minions across the whole continent.

…

What?

How is that an advantage unique to Mordremoth? You do realize a modern military also has the ability to rapidly deploy and coordinate units across a continent in addition to the massively superior range, right? This isn’t “mobile with limited range vs. stationary with superior range”, it’s “mobile with limited range vs. vastly superior mobility with vastly superior range”.

Mhm, and if the vines would stop the bunker buster before it would go deep enough then it would not detonate because it would just count floors while stuck in the shrubbery? Remember, it’s the jungle you are trying to shoot.

The 5000 pound GBU-37 is designed to punch through 20 feet of military grade reinforced concrete, the newer 30,000 pound GBU-57 doesn’t have its specifications released yet, but was developed out of concern that Iranian and North Korean nuclear weapon labs we buried under mountains/hundreds of feet of earth.

Unless you want to argue that Mordremoth’s vines are harder than military grade concrete, a jungle isn’t going to do anything against a bunker buster.

Also, not sure why nobody reads posts they are replying to, but

Could our own, real-life military wage war on Mordermoth and its minions and win? Based on our highest available technology (aka USA army much), with helicopters, fighter jets, artillery, infantry and tanks, but not nuclear weapons.

Thoughts?

“Not nuclear weapons.”

Honestly, nukes aren’t even a game changer in this scenario.

Even without nukes it still doesn’t change the fact this fantasy fight scenario is pitting what is essentially an animal against the modern military. Mordremoth doesn’t have squadrons of flying dragon minions that can travel at mach speed, rain thousand pound bombs on cities from above the clouds, and engage with aerial targets from 100 miles away; he doesn’t have battalions of ground minions that are completely impervious to arrows and conditions, can accurately place a variety of explosive shells from a mile and a half away, or tear across the field at 45 miles per hour; he certainly doesn’t have space minions relaying information to him from beyond the reach of his front lines, which would allow him to more effectively deploy units and react better to changes in enemy deployment.

A nuke is just a payload, replace it with a FAE, a chemical or biological warhead, or just a few thousand pounds of explosives and all that means is Mordremoth dies a slightly less glorious death.

Mordremoth is balanced to fight people with bows and swords, flying in glorified hot-air balloons with 12-pound cannons that only offer a fraction of the range, fire rate, and destructive power of modern equivalents. The only caveat that would give Mordremoth a fighting chance is if it wasn’t a modern military at all.

Maybe WW1 or WW2 era army vs. Modremoth.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

No one has ever said he has anti-real life weapon magic as far as I know.

We know very little about Mordremoth.
We do know that it can basically attack targets without notice very far away from its position. We also know that it can attack and destroy a full fleet of air-ships within minutes.

We know very little about its defensive abilities however.

Elder Dragons were only hurt with anti-Elder dragon magically enhanced weapons. So who knows if he could be hurt.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Obviously this is considering that the real life military takes on Mordremoth as he is right now without any additional, anti-real life magic added. If we’re considering Deus Ex Machina in this you could also say all they have to do is spawn a black hole in Tyria and delete everything.

Spoilsport :p

Without magic, Mordy would be defeated using biochemicals… but at the cost of poisoning huge areas of land and possibly a large part of the water table. The military would then have to control the population as sickness from drinking contaminated water and reduction in crop yields, plus chemical induced mass deaths of livestock became Tyria’s major concern.

Then come the birth defects and increased strain on medical facilities… what came after Mordy would make the dragon itself look like a sideshow bagatelle.

Yup just nuke ’em all

Pandaman.4758:

serenke.4806:

Hundreds of miles away does not work with a dragon that has the ability to send minions across the whole continent.

…

What?

How is that an advantage unique to Mordremoth? You do realize a modern military also has the ability to rapidly deploy and coordinate units across a continent in addition to the massively superior range, right? This isn’t “mobile with limited range vs. stationary with superior range”, it’s “mobile with limited range vs. vastly superior mobility with vastly superior range”.

Mhm, and if the vines would stop the bunker buster before it would go deep enough then it would not detonate because it would just count floors while stuck in the shrubbery? Remember, it’s the jungle you are trying to shoot.

The 5000 pound GBU-37 is designed to punch through 20 feet of military grade reinforced concrete, the newer 30,000 pound GBU-57 doesn’t have its specifications released yet, but was developed out of concern that Iranian and North Korean nuclear weapon labs we buried under mountains/hundreds of feet of earth.

Unless you want to argue that Mordremoth’s vines are harder than military grade concrete, a jungle isn’t going to do anything against a bunker buster.

Also, not sure why nobody reads posts they are replying to, but

Could our own, real-life military wage war on Mordermoth and its minions and win? Based on our highest available technology (aka USA army much), with helicopters, fighter jets, artillery, infantry and tanks, but not nuclear weapons.

Thoughts?

“Not nuclear weapons.”

Honestly, nukes aren’t even a game changer in this scenario.

Even without nukes it still doesn’t change the fact this fantasy fight scenario is pitting what is essentially an animal against the modern military. Mordremoth doesn’t have squadrons of flying dragon minions that can travel at mach speed, rain thousand pound bombs on cities from above the clouds, and engage with aerial targets from 100 miles away; he doesn’t have battalions of ground minions that are completely impervious to arrows and conditions, can accurately place a variety of explosive shells from a mile and a half away, or tear across the field at 45 miles per hour; he certainly doesn’t have space minions relaying information to him from beyond the reach of his front lines, which would allow him to more effectively deploy units and react better to changes in enemy deployment.

A nuke is just a payload, replace it with a FAE, a chemical or biological warhead, or just a few thousand pounds of explosives and all that means is Mordremoth dies a slightly less glorious death.

Mordremoth is balanced to fight people with bows and swords, flying in glorified hot-air balloons with 12-pound cannons that only offer a fraction of the range, fire rate, and destructive power of modern equivalents. The only caveat that would give Mordremoth a fighting chance is if it wasn’t a modern military at all.

Maybe WW1 or WW2 era army vs. Modremoth.

WW1 era military would get anihilated. Maybe chemical weapons would fend off Mordremoth for a while but they could easily poison the humans as well.

Explosives and the like wont do very much against plants, all they will do is spread vegetable matter around the place including no doubt seeds for more mordrem

In any case, there’s no need for modern military to do it, there already exists within lore the means to do it. A full charged Searing cauldron or the ancient weapon in the crystal desert should do it.

Send in Bear Grylls with a Swiss Army knife, game over! Probably adopt it as a pet.

Shadey Dancer.2907:

Send in Bear Grylls with a Swiss Army knife, game over! Probably adopt it as a pet.

More than likely eat it as tame it…

lordkrall.7241:

Dawnbreaker.6215:

No one has ever said he has anti-real life weapon magic as far as I know.

We know very little about Mordremoth.
We do know that it can basically attack targets without notice very far away from its position. We also know that it can attack and destroy a full fleet of air-ships within minutes.

We know very little about its defensive abilities however.

And yet we are able to walk into its territory on our own two feet, set up bases, some of which do not come under attack, and take the war to its minions. As far as its defensive capabilities, we do know that (eventually) we will be able to fight it. Presumably, we will get there the way we always get there. We know that it will have defenses, but there will be a way to defeat it that is doable by a group of people (characters) no larger than a zone can hold.

Could ANet program defenses to a modern military? Sure, but they haven’t to this point. The defeat of the airship fleet was an obvious plot device. If it could repeat that at will, we would never get near it.

What makes you so sure that we could do that simply because it WANTED us to do it? A smart enemy would do exactly what Mordremoth did. Lure the main enemy in and then finish them in one swift stroke.

We know for a fact that it could attack us much further away than the bases in Silverwastes, and yet it did not do so (until it was ready to force our hand by attacking the main HQ).

A good old Tsar Bomba from Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba) would do short work of him

lordkrall.7241:

What makes you so sure that we could do that simply because it WANTED us to do it? A smart enemy would do exactly what Mordremoth did. Lure the main enemy in and then finish them in one swift stroke.

We know for a fact that it could attack us much further away than the bases in Silverwastes, and yet it did not do so (until it was ready to force our hand by attacking the main HQ).

Are a small number of players (by modern military standards, no more than a company) using sharp pieces of metal, as well as other medieval weapons and firearms that do less damage than those sharp pieces of metal, going to be able to defeat Mordremoth? If so, then absent a meta solution like “non-magic weapons, explosions, etc. are unable to hurt it and its minions,” then a modern military would take initial casualties and then kick its butt.

There always comes a point when a comparison between a game and real life falls apart. Game enemies are designed to be defeated. Game enemies are like movie or comic book enemies. In one scene they are able to take the protagonists off guard and seem all-powerful and invincible. However, the protagonists then figure something out, and suddenly the all-powerful, invincible foe isn’t either.

Could a theoretical real world plant dragon take the real world military by surprise, devastating their capability to fight back? Leaving aside that it’s only likely in Hollywood, I suppose it’s theoretically possible. However, Mord’s surprise attacks didn’t even take out a steampunk setting’s capability to fight back, nor is he likely to. So, he’s not it.

For some reason I’m going to take this semi seriously.

There seem to be two questions under discussion. 1: Can non-magic weapons hurt Mordy? 2: Can the RW military defend itself against an omnipresent plant with magically long ranged tentacle ambush capability?

1 is yes. Not only do distinctly non-magical weapons (like rifles, warrior swords, range dog teeth, etc) hurt it’s minions, but Flamethrowers are established as effective weapon (see: Iron Marches). So it can be burnt. Or at least, it’s minions can.

1a. Can Mordy be hurt by non-magical means or just it’s minions? Yes. Minions are imbued with dragon energy and have the same approximate properties as their master, but in lesser form. Zhaitan was also slain by a barrage from perfectly normal flak cannons. The magico-asura-death-ray may have sliced off it’s tail in one massive strike of electronic death, but he was finished off by the normal guns afterwards. It just took more of them.

2. Can the RL defend itself? Hell yes. The RL military is designed to take massive, systemic infrastructure casualties and still maintain some level of combat effectiveness. The current US military infrastructure was designed to fight a nuclear war, where entire swaths of bases, personnel and equipment were wiped away with no notice. It’s distributed, redundant, mobile, and features a frangible command and communication structure. It’s literally impossible to prevent a nuclear counterstrike, even for other modern militaries, because you’d have to destroy thousands of ground bases, ships, aircraft currently in flight, and submarines, and possibly satellites (officially there are no nuclear weapons in orbit…) all within a minute or two of each other. Mordy could never disable all of it, simultaneously, fast enough to prevent a nuclear response.

Conclusion: Dead Mordy.

Addendum: Restricting nuclear weapons is stupid. Our entire military is designed and operated with their existence in mind. The way bases are built, communications are operated, supplies are stored, everything. If you remove them, what you have is not our modern military. We may not be in a Cold War anymore, but there are still powers in the world with nuclear weapons and don’t think for a minute that the military has forgotten it.

There would hardly be much of an engagement, all it would take is some long range firepower, probably mounted on ships or VERY high flying jets, make Mordy go boom, no nukes needed. Hell, WWII style carpet bombing would handle Mordy, that decimated entire cities.

Dawnbreaker.6215:

Could our own, real-life military wage war on Mordermoth and its minions and win? Based on our highest available technology (aka USA army much), with helicopters, fighter jets, artillery, infantry and tanks, but not nuclear weapons.

Thoughts?

Thought? Every USA soldier would die in vein, because they would not even try to settle piece, but always answer with a gun.

Considering any American home can have easy access to Napalm and Week Killer and some combination of both to defend their neighborhood it wouldn’t be too difficult for the Military to wipe’em out. Even Zhaitan would probably have a hard time. Now Kralkatorrik and Primordus I’m not so sure.

Considering I just solo’d one of Mordremoth’s top lieutenant with a bow and arrow plus my pet dog, I’d say yes.

Rhyse.8179:

Not only do distinctly non-magical weapons (like rifles, warrior swords, range dog teeth, etc) hurt it’s minions, but Flamethrowers are established as effective weapon (see: Iron Marches). So it can be burnt. Or at least, it’s minions can.

I don’t know about you mate, but my rifle increases my ability to resist damage and helps keep me alive when I’m bleeding, burning or poisoned. It also increases my damage, even when I’m using my flamethrower instead of it. That’s not a magical weapon?

I’m going to say “no”, they can’t beat him. They can take him on, hurt him badly, but they can’t actually defeat/destroy him.

Why?

It’s been stated in-game that the big vines are not just made by Mordremoth, they ARE Mordremoth. They’re a part of him. But, he’s also plant-like. Spread that far, and that deep, he’s the ultimate weed.

We could burn him down, blast him apart, and leave him nothing but a memory… for about five years. During that time, he’d regrow, feed on more magic, and slowly gather his strength. And when he resurfaces, we’d have to fight him all over again. Maybe we’d be even better prepared for him, but it would still start on his terms, and we’d still end up at the same end.

A modern military could beat him down, but it’s going to take some magic to actually destroy him. Without it, we’d simply be buying time, like the summoners in FFX.

He’s a weed? We don’t even need the military…

So napalm will be the meta then?

Btw, most interesting post I have seen in days, around the forums

ProtoGunner.4953:

The problem here you can’t mix facts and fiction: It is purely the imagination of a writer or idea, if the military COULD destroy a creature or not. If the author decides so, it can. If not it can’t. Therefore, your question is irrelevant.

I always had problems with this in fantasy generally: it is pure imagination of the author that Son-Goku is stronger than Vegeta. If the author decides otherwise, the result is different.

So, with other words: the Elder Dragon has magic, the author could set the premise: the Elder Dragon is able to negate the power of an atomic or thermonuclear/hydrogen bomb or even absorb it. You see where this goes?

Engineers will be useless in the expansion? You see where this goes?

I’m pretty sure that if the tech created by Charr and Asura combined with MAGIC doesn’t really work, i highly doubt our modern military can even last.

Just what can the military do when they become minions for Mordremoth and the other remaining Elder Dragons?

ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task

Khalisto.5780:

ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task

You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.

lordkrall.7241:

Unlikely.

Considering how easy it took out the whole Pact Airship-fleet it is unlikely that air-support would be possible. The fact that it can also sprout vines more or less everywhere would make a land-assault rather dangerous as well.

You forget we have nukes.

We can just nuke the bejesus out of Mordy, maybe throw an atomic bomb or two on the Maguuma jungle and then we’d be fine. Mordy wouldn’t stand a chance against us.

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the OP stated that nuclear weaponry would not be allowed in his hypothesis.

I guess without nukes it would be difficult to take on Mordy but we’d probably still kill him faster than Tyria could.

Ephemiel.5694:

I’m pretty sure that if the tech created by Charr and Asura combined with MAGIC doesn’t really work, i highly doubt our modern military can even last.

What makes you think magic is inherently more powerful than technology? Having magical abilities doesn’t automatically make you Superman or God.

I’m pretty sure if I were to 1v1 an elementalist in real life and the elementalist would have all his skills/abilities from GW2 and I would have a military automatic-rifle available (for example a M16), I’d kill that elementalist in merely a couple of bursts from an automatic-rifle. Fancy fireballs or ice-cones won’t do jack against superior firepower. Before that elementalist could cast his fireball I’d already have emptied half a clip of bullets in him.

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

Rhyse.8179:

For some reason I’m going to take this semi seriously.

There seem to be two questions under discussion. 1: Can non-magic weapons hurt Mordy? 2: Can the RW military defend itself against an omnipresent plant with magically long ranged tentacle ambush capability?

1 is yes. Not only do distinctly non-magical weapons (like rifles, warrior swords, range dog teeth, etc) hurt it’s minions, but Flamethrowers are established as effective weapon (see: Iron Marches). So it can be burnt. Or at least, it’s minions can.

1a. Can Mordy be hurt by non-magical means or just it’s minions? Yes. Minions are imbued with dragon energy and have the same approximate properties as their master, but in lesser form. Zhaitan was also slain by a barrage from perfectly normal flak cannons. The magico-asura-death-ray may have sliced off it’s tail in one massive strike of electronic death, but he was finished off by the normal guns afterwards. It just took more of them.

2. Can the RL defend itself? Hell yes. The RL military is designed to take massive, systemic infrastructure casualties and still maintain some level of combat effectiveness. The current US military infrastructure was designed to fight a nuclear war, where entire swaths of bases, personnel and equipment were wiped away with no notice. It’s distributed, redundant, mobile, and features a frangible command and communication structure. It’s literally impossible to prevent a nuclear counterstrike, even for other modern militaries, because you’d have to destroy thousands of ground bases, ships, aircraft currently in flight, and submarines, and possibly satellites (officially there are no nuclear weapons in orbit…) all within a minute or two of each other. Mordy could never disable all of it, simultaneously, fast enough to prevent a nuclear response.

Conclusion: Dead Mordy.

Addendum: Restricting nuclear weapons is stupid. Our entire military is designed and operated with their existence in mind. The way bases are built, communications are operated, supplies are stored, everything. If you remove them, what you have is not our modern military. We may not be in a Cold War anymore, but there are still powers in the world with nuclear weapons and don’t think for a minute that the military has forgotten it.

Zhaitan was ‘killed’ by anti-Elder Dragon magically imbued shells.

Ashen.2907:

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

They are people wielding magic and magical items, in a magical world. Your comparison fails.

We’d nuke it, and nuke it some more

Yah nukes would be it, unless ofc “GW2 Magic” is greater.

Otherwise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4UqrWV2_U

Thats not even most modern day military.

EDIT: Also modern day military have mounts. Logistics/supply train wouldnt be good for Mordermoth, unless mesmer portals work beyond instances/maps which I dont see them doing.

Ashen.2907:

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

Yep, we clearly defeated Zhaitan by slashing at it and not by using Airships with weapons designed specifically to fight Elder Dragons.

dietzero.3514:

Ashen.2907:

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

They are people wielding magic and magical items, in a magical world. Your comparison fails.

His comparison doesn’t fail. While it never actually happened, I’m sure a full map of only warriors who have no inherent magical abilities or magical weapons could defeat Tequatl.

Also how did we defeat Zhaitan? Was it with magic? No, it was not, it was defeated with pure and simple superior technology. So that proves elder dragons can be defeated with superior firepower, no magic needed.

If some fancy cannons in GW2 can defeat an elder dragon, I’m pretty sure our vastly superior modern military equipment can take care of an elder dragon as well.

LucosTheDutch.4819:

dietzero.3514:

Ashen.2907:

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

They are people wielding magic and magical items, in a magical world. Your comparison fails.

His comparison doesn’t fail. While it never actually happened, I’m sure a full map of only warriors who have no inherent magical abilities or magical weapons could defeat Tequatl.

Also how did we defeat Zhaitan? Was it with magic? No, it was not, it was defeated with pure and simple superior technology. So that proves elder dragons can be defeated with superior firepower, no magic needed.

If some fancy cannons in GW2 can defeat an elder dragon, I’m pretty sure our vastly superior modern military equipment can take care of an elder dragon as well.

Zhaitan was defeated with specially designed magical anti-Elder Dragon shells, fired from an airship that our modern military cannot create.

Warrior weapons, armour and accessories are magical. Also their Signets, and probably other things. As is the giant Asura death cannon that fires on Tequila Sunrise…

His comparison also failed by calling them Iron Age, which he clearly does not know the meaning of.

LucosTheDutch.4819:

dietzero.3514:

Ashen.2907:

Foes in GW2, including dragons, are defeated by characters swinging sharpened pieces of metal. Unless Anet has decided to kill off the game that trend will likely continue.

If a group of random guys with bits of pointy metal can do the job then a modern military force would not even break a sweat. Keep in mind that no foe in this game takes more than a hundred or two (not sure exactly how many people can be in a map) people using iron age technology to defeat.

They are people wielding magic and magical items, in a magical world. Your comparison fails.

His comparison doesn’t fail. While it never actually happened, I’m sure a full map of only warriors who have no inherent magical abilities or magical weapons could defeat Tequatl.

Also how did we defeat Zhaitan? Was it with magic? No, it was not, it was defeated with pure and simple superior technology. So that proves elder dragons can be defeated with superior firepower, no magic needed.

If some fancy cannons in GW2 can defeat an elder dragon, I’m pretty sure our vastly superior modern military equipment can take care of an elder dragon as well.

You really think the cannons, which were made specifically to counter Elder Dragons, were 100% pure tech? You do know that the creator of the cannon that destroyed Zhaitan was an Elementalist, right?