Could our modern military take on Mordermoth?
You state it like a fact, which it is not.
You know what is a fact.
RL Vs Magic is an exercise of futility.
It is fact. Unless you can show me that the military has tech comparable to the Asura.
Repeating yourself doesn’t do much.
“Would you kindly?”
You state it like a fact, which it is not.
You know what is a fact.
RL Vs Magic is an exercise of futility.
It is fact. Unless you can show me that the military has tech comparable to the Asura.
Repeating yourself doesn’t do much.
The main difference is that science exists and magic doesn’t. Even though everything in a novel is made up in a sense, this still matters-it creates different responsibilities. If, for example, the physical laws of a fantastical or SF world are different than our world, there has to be some explanation, no matter how off-the-cuff. And if that world contains magic, I think the writer has to be even more rigorous in thinking out how magical systems work, no matter how much of that appears in the text. This is because we are used to constraint. We are worlds of blood-and-water existing within a larger but finite network of people and settings, and all of that is constrained by the egg-yolk that is the Earth. If even something as arbitrary and recent as a sonnet suffers from constraint, then magic can be no different.
Of course, if you’re a surrealist or absurdist, you often don’t care about the difference between science and magic because the boundary between the two is going to be trampled and gleefully kittened on anyway. As well it should. Nothing is more annoying than allowing a little reality ruin your fun. If you have the imagination to get away with it.
Or, if you’re Jack Vance, you just set your stories far enough in the future that the science seems like magic and you sit back in your golden throne, fold your arms, and cackle like either a mad scientist or a crazy sorcerer-take your pick.
One reason I have no magic in most of my fiction is that I cannot believe in it and thus cannot write about it in any convincing way. This is the same reason you do not find unicorns in my fiction. Or Smurfs. Or Republicans. I can and do, however, believe in huge intelligent squid ponderously pulling themselves through the alleys of a weird city, protecting themselves with helmets full of water. I can also believe in nefarious mushroom-based intelligent life forms living in bizarre underground caverns. However, since this is merely an audacious application of current theory on biology and biological systems it amounts to perfectly good science.
Jeff VanderMeer, author of City of Saints and Madmen
I know how nukes work, please explain in detail how Asura tech works and how it would counter modern day tech.
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You state it like a fact, which it is not.
You know what is a fact.
RL Vs Magic is an exercise of futility.
It is fact. Unless you can show me that the military has tech comparable to the Asura.
Repeating yourself doesn’t do much.
The main difference is that science exists and magic doesn’t. Even though everything in a novel is made up in a sense, this still matters-it creates different responsibilities. If, for example, the physical laws of a fantastical or SF world are different than our world, there has to be some explanation, no matter how off-the-cuff. And if that world contains magic, I think the writer has to be even more rigorous in thinking out how magical systems work, no matter how much of that appears in the text. This is because we are used to constraint. We are worlds of blood-and-water existing within a larger but finite network of people and settings, and all of that is constrained by the egg-yolk that is the Earth. If even something as arbitrary and recent as a sonnet suffers from constraint, then magic can be no different.
Of course, if you’re a surrealist or absurdist, you often don’t care about the difference between science and magic because the boundary between the two is going to be trampled and gleefully kittened on anyway. As well it should. Nothing is more annoying than allowing a little reality ruin your fun. If you have the imagination to get away with it.
Or, if you’re Jack Vance, you just set your stories far enough in the future that the science seems like magic and you sit back in your golden throne, fold your arms, and cackle like either a mad scientist or a crazy sorcerer-take your pick.
One reason I have no magic in most of my fiction is that I cannot believe in it and thus cannot write about it in any convincing way. This is the same reason you do not find unicorns in my fiction. Or Smurfs. Or Republicans. I can and do, however, believe in huge intelligent squid ponderously pulling themselves through the alleys of a weird city, protecting themselves with helmets full of water. I can also believe in nefarious mushroom-based intelligent life forms living in bizarre underground caverns. However, since this is merely an audacious application of current theory on biology and biological systems it amounts to perfectly good science.
Jeff VanderMeer, author of City of Saints and Madmen
Nice copy/paste. This disproves me how?
“Would you kindly?”
You havent explained how ausra tech counters modern day tech.
You havent explained how ausra tech counters modern day tech.
Can we make portals? No. Can we make golems? No. Can we create floting cities like Rata Sum? No.
Can you imagine anything we can create right now being able to go against Asura tech and win? No. It’s simply a matter of using that little head of yours a bit harder, just slightly harder than looking for that quote you copy/pasted.
I’m done with this for today, so good night and hope our military lasts more than a day against the Mordrem.
“Would you kindly?”
How does all that work? You still havent explained anything… Like I said how do I explain how modern tech would counter it, if all that is based on “magic” dun dun dun….
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From what we’re shown in the game, magic is simply a means to an end, what can be created with magic can also be created with science; an elementalist breathing fire is no different from an engineer pulling the trigger on a flamethrower, absolutely nothing in the game goes “oh, this fire was conjured by science, not magic, so I’m going to ignore it.”
So pulling the “nuh uh, he’s invulnerable to everything because of MAGIC” card is complete and utter bunk, best left to Superman vs. Goku arguments.
That being said, if you want to argue magic vs. science, we’ll have compare military technology and not chase some red herring fallacy of comparing weapons to portals (seriously, that’s as dumb as arguing that Mordremoth would stand no chance because Tyria doesn’t have the internet, ergo science must be superior).
Pact equipment is assumed to be the best in Tyria and – as hastily assembled and poorly trained in it as the soldiers were – it was enough to give Zhaitan’s army enough trouble to allow The Glory of Tyria to sail in and shoot down Zhaitan. Since Pact gear (with a single exception, to be discussed later) and training was inferior in every conceivable way to modern equivalents, it stands to reason that a modern military would have absolutely no trouble in the same scenario; additionally, given that Zhaitan had a hundred years head start over Modremoth, it’s safe to assume he was better fed on magic and had a larger army, therefore a modern army would have an even easier time against Mordremoth’s forces.
The modern military also doesn’t have the disadvantage of being full of Sylvari saboteurs.
Now, regarding the exception: Zojja’s MEGA-LIT cannon. It’s a directed energy weapon, we don’t have one of those yet. It’s also slow to fire, has terrible range/aim (despite having a targeting system calibrated to aim at draconic energy), and the only thing it actually accomplishes is stop Zhaitan from flying about. It’s the five regular cannons on the side of the ship that actually killed him. So the one thing that Asuran military technology has over real military technology only served to remove a dragon’s mobility advantage – an advantage that evaporates when compared to modern jet fighters and missiles designed to shoot down targets smaller and faster than an oversized flying lizard.
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The Elder Dragons don’t seem that threatening or powerful at all in-game. Granted, if they did that would cause gameplay issues so yeah.
But I’d say yes, we’d be able to take them all out relatively easily.
Tyria has Golems…walking tanks that shoot Magic…..Earth has the M1A2 Abrams, which has a 120mm cannon that fires a round with a muzzle velocity of over a mile a second, and depending on the range, can penetrate 3 feet of solid steel like it was butter. Sure, Tyria has that magical Orichalcum that could possibly stand up better than Steel…except that they can’t, because Orichalcum is nothing more than brass or bronze…yeah…so magical! Advantage : Earth
Tyria has Airships that for the most part, fly magically, but are slow, and aren’t really that maneuverable….Earth has Jets that can fly several times faster than the speed of sound, and has radar and tracking avionics advanced enough to shoot anything out of the sky long before you can even see what you’re aiming at. Advantage : Earth.
Tyria has Elementalists that can create supremely destructive magic, and those Elder Dragons seem pretty powerful too….Earth has Napalm, Rocket Launchers, Bunker Busters, MOABs, and Nuclear weapons capable of ending life on Earth 100x faster than any Elder Dragon ever could. Advantage : Earth.
The major problem with everyone’s arguments that Earth doesn’t have magic, thus is automatically disadvantaged is that they are forgetting that Magic is not a limitless resource. If magic were limitless and our characters were running around like gods, then yeah, Earth wouldn’t ever stand a chance against any elder dragon. But, Tyria is a place where the most destructive magic happened 250 years ago, and technology is slowly starting to overpower it, and Tyria’s technology is at least a hundred years behind Earth. Even the Magic-infused technology doesn’t compare to what we’ve built in the real world.
Tyria’s technology is not behind Earth’s. It has just taken a different path. This means it is far ahead of us in some aspects, and far behind in others. Unless you are teleporting to work from your floating city?
Zhaitan was also killed with specialised anti-Elder dragon cannons. The ones we used.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Zhaitan
Sometimes I wonder if people actually pay any attention in this game…
As for Orichalcum, we mine raw nodes of it, meaning it is impossible for it to be bronze or brass. Basic chemistry here. Everything we make is also infused with a magical inscription, so you fail on that account as well.
Zhaitan was also killed with specialised anti-Elder dragon cannons. The ones we used.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Zhaitan
Sometimes I wonder if people actually pay any attention in this game…
What makes those cannons “anti-Elder Dragon”? As I said before nothing in the game states there is a distinction made between damage inflicted by magic or science, so there’s nothing to support the claim that Elder Dragons can only be harmed by magically enhanced munitions; visually they’re just Pact cannons that fire projectiles, their only defining feature being they’re larger than the standard models you see on Pact airships and in Forstgorge Sound.
“Anti-Elder Dragon” is just a label, it tells us nothing of the mechanisms behind the classification. If you want to claim that label is proof that Pact technology is unique in its ability to harm Elder Dragons, then I similarly will claim Elder Dragons cannot win against a modern military simply because they don’t have “anti tank guns”.
And what makes you think the warrior weapons and armor are magical? Is that just your assumption or do you have some evidence/sources to back this up?
I would like to address this right quick, as it’s actually important to the discussion.
Let’s look at how you make a weapon in Tyria, for example a sword. You have a metal blade, and a metal hilt, and that’s pretty standard. But then, as you join them together, you also use a third item. And that third item is made of metal and/or wood, infused with things like claws, fangs, or blood. That third part right there? That’s the magical part.
Any decent weapons or armor in Tyria that we (our characters) can make is infused with such things. The magic is built in. And that’s before we get into the fact that some of the materials at higher levels are also magical by themselves. (Ever hear of mundane mithril or orichalcum?) That’s why the most powerful bows and pistols have wooden parts made from ancient trees, when in a mundane world other types of wood would be better.
Now, it’s important to remember all this, because it means that our modern military could quickly adapt to use such magical materials. A full clip of mithril bullets pumped into someone is going to mess them up, even if the gun shooting them is mundane. And if smearing harpy blood onto a missile will allow it to kill a dragon, then I’m pretty sure they’d be willing to do that. They wouldn’t be using the magic WELL, but when combined with their modern weapons, they don’t really need to. They just need it to punch through the “immune to non-magical damage” barrier.
You can go through the entire game using non-magical white or starter gear and still win. Magic weapons and armor are a conveniencd not a necessity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum
Since we mine it in Orr, its entirely possible that Orichalcum exists the way it is because all the Orrian coins were melted and blasted into the rock when the country was destroyed. Why is it everywhere else? An explosion large enough to sink a continent would surely send that stuff flying thousands of miles away.
If you don’t want to argue that point…Tyria is a magical place, as the MAGIC!!! side of this argument keeps saying. Is it not too crazy to assume that Bronze and Brass occur naturally in this world, and that Natural Brass/Bronze is distinctly different from the stuff players make (oxides in the metal, a hint of gold or another element, etc.). Its also just as likely that Orichalcum is actually a super tough Iridium/Titanium Alloy and Anet thought that was too lame of a name for a fantasy game. Thus, I don’t fail at that part, since assuming any of these is what happened is just as ridiculous as the concept of magic to begin with.
You are right, Zhaitan was killed with a specialized Anti-Elder dragon cannon. This makes it completely useless for anything else. Thus, I don’t fail at that part.
You have teleporters, however, you can only teleport where there are waypoints and Asura gates. Rather convenient, but, does not have a military advantage, in fact, that would be a disadvantage, since, our jets would blast them from fifty miles away, and our superior transportation tech would allow us to go anywhere much, much, much faster once we took out Tyria’s main form of transportation (which would be easy since Tyria has no air defense of any kind, even though the Aetherblades kind of proved that they need it). I don’t fail at that account either. Besides, if a Dragon were smart like any military commander was, destroying waypoints would literally be the first thing I do to cripple all of Tyria. The only reason why we don’t see any in-game faction attempting this is because Anet says they wont, and, also the distinct lack of mounts would kind of suck since the next best transportation is what? A balloon that can easily be shot out of the sky with any projectile?…yeah, advantage still Earth.
Magical Inscription? Yay! I get a +5% critical chance!…..Pretty sure a new sight for any rifle/shotgun/pistol/etc. would also increase your chance at a head shot, no magic required. As for the other Magical inscriptions, none of them have any effect large enough to be better than modern technology.
I pay attention in this game just fine, but you probably won’t believe me until I join you and scream “MAGIC” like it automatically solves all the game world’s problems.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Tyria’s technology is not behind Earth’s. It has just taken a different path. This means it is far ahead of us in some aspects, and far behind in others. Unless you are teleporting to work from your floating city?
Zhaitan was also killed with specialised anti-Elder dragon cannons. The ones we used.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Zhaitan
Sometimes I wonder if people actually pay any attention in this game…
As for Orichalcum, we mine raw nodes of it, meaning it is impossible for it to be bronze or brass. Basic chemistry here. Everything we make is also infused with a magical inscription, so you fail on that account as well.
I agree that earth doesnt have portals or floating cities, but in terms of military technology (closer to the subject of the thread) we are miles ahead.
Right now tyrian military tech cannot produce a personal weapon with an effective range beyond my own rock throwing ability. They are also not capable of producing a firearm with sufficient stopping power to reliably put down a target with one shot to the torso. Tyrian cannon have effective range comparable to an earth heavy pistol or light rifle. Tyrian explosive munitions have area effects comparable to throwing a handful of gravel and cannot, generally, harm anyonone beyond the fifth foe in the target area.
By contrast earth military tech has produced personal weapons with ranges measured in the hundreds or thousands of yards. Artillery with ranges as much as hundreds of kilometers affecting areas of a square kilometer with a single salvo.
I agree that Tyrian tech has developed differently than earth tech. Earth tech has developed superior military tech while Tyria has portals…which are not sufficient to replace pack animals.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
Sigh, still blind as hell. Constantly trying to prove that our military can do this, yet you all completely ignore everything that happens and everything that’s mentioned in the game.
“Would you kindly?”
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
scientists don’t say it. It’s one of Clark’s laws. Which you’d probably know if you bothered to read anything instead of flailing madly in an argument about a thought exercise.
That’s a ‘fact’.
scientists don’t say it. It’s one of Clark’s laws. Which you’d probably know if you bothered to read anything instead of flailing madly in an argument about a thought exercise.
That’s a ‘fact’.
I doubt Clarke’s Third Law is the right representation of the comparison between realistic tech and fantasy magic. He is also right, but the Law has to do with perspective not literal limitations. If you showed someone in Tyria a cell phone or any of our current modern tech, they would perceive it as magic as well.
no, our modern military could NOT take on Mordremoth. just like every single monster movie ever made they’d drop the atom bomb on Mordy and cheer until the dust clears, Mordy emerging bigger and badder than ever, without a scratch on him…
– The Baconnaire
ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task
You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.
We have no information about Mordremoth having any magical defence against nuclear weapons, nor do we have any information about him being able to absorb a 20 megaton explosion as if it were a stream of harmless magicka.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
I’d love to see your source supporting the claim that magic in Tyria is any more exempt from the laws of thermodynamics than is technology.
Sigh, still blind as hell. Constantly trying to prove that our military can do this, yet you all completely ignore everything that happens and everything that’s mentioned in the game.
Everything in game contradicts your position and supports ours.
Sigh, still blind as hell. Constantly trying to prove that our military can do this, yet you all completely ignore everything that happens and everything that’s mentioned in the game.
I’ve mentioned almost a dozen examples of how our modern militaries could be (and factually are) stronger than the magical societies of Tyria. How about you try to prove me wrong instead of spouting “b-b-but, MAGIC”?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
scientists don’t say it. It’s one of Clark’s laws. Which you’d probably know if you bothered to read anything instead of flailing madly in an argument about a thought exercise.
That’s a ‘fact’.
I would post links to videos of at least two scientists saying/agreeing with what Clark said (as well as several passages of Michio Kaku’s many books where he specifically mentions that phrase/law/whatever). Scientists love to quote Authors since they often guess science right, before even the scientists do. for example, any one involved in robotics or artificial intelligence in any capacity worth their wrench could cite all three of Issac Asimov’s laws of robotics without even thinking about it, but, you aren’t actually thinking in this thought exercise, you only want to attack me with an assumption that I’m not thinking, so, why should I think for you if you can even do it yourself?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
I’d love to see your source supporting the claim that magic in Tyria is any more exempt from the laws of thermodynamics than is technology.
I never said it was exempt, but, I’m going to make the rest of this post anyways, not specifically directed towards you, but to anyone who still wants to scream that magical words as if it ends all arguments.
You mean Elementalists don’t create fireballs and conjure things out of thin air? Rangers don’t just cause vines and mud to magically appear out of the ground, and not just ground that would naturally support vines, but ANY surface?
When you are creating that heat, it has to come from somewhere, it can’t just spontaneously exist from nowhere. The Vines and Mud have to come from somewhere. Mater cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change forms. That is a universal law. You cannot break it.
You can make the statement “b-b-but, MAGIC!”, but instead of saying MAGIC, I would like for you to use your head and explain how magic can accommodate the laws of Thermodynamics. I already know and can explain how, but I’m not going to argue both sides because the MAGIC side can’t argue on their own. I even gave you a hint in the last paragraph, so how about you debate properly and actually come up with an argument that Tyria is better than our Modern military, with actual points, or just get off this thread?
I hope this post doesn’t sound too attack-ish on you guys, but you need to start making an actual argument, instead of just saying MAGIC every three posts.
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This discussion is worthless if you keep arguing with magic and exclude nukes.
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ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task
You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.
We have no information about Mordremoth having any magical defence against nuclear weapons, nor do we have any information about him being able to absorb a 20 megaton explosion as if it were a stream of harmless magicka.
There’s something we should agree or disagree on. Is radiation magical in nature, or is it physical in nature? If its magical in nature…I think there’s a reason all our characters in Tyria look so freaking young (the over-use of magic means no one ever lives to see 50….). If its physical in nature….pretty sure nothing’s going to survive that blast, or the radioactive fallout afterwards, especially since the dragons seem to have physical forms.
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
“Would you kindly?”
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At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
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You havent explained how ausra tech counters modern day tech.
Can we make portals? No. Can we make golems? No. Can we create floting cities like Rata Sum? No.
Can you imagine anything we can create right now being able to go against Asura tech and win? No. It’s simply a matter of using that little head of yours a bit harder, just slightly harder than looking for that quote you copy/pasted.
I’m done with this for today, so good night and hope our military lasts more than a day against the Mordrem.
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Oh and by the way, did i mention that ASURAN TECHNOLOGY USES MAGIC!?
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Lot of people are forgetting a very key quote right now. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” That applies to this ingame compared to the real world, as well as the other direction.
I mean… if you were sent back to the 1700s with only a lighter on you, people would think you’re a magician or godlike.
Quite true, but please, tell me about technology advanced enough to raise the dead [Necromancers] or create illusions so realistic that they actually DO hurt [Mesmers].
Translation : MAGIC!!!
ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task
You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Your entire argument so far has been nothing but Magic wins because Magic is Magic and Magic does what Magic does, completely ignoring any argument or point made about our modern militaries. Do I really need to say anymore? You’re not even listening anymore, so, I think I’m just going to skip your posts from now on….
ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task
You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.
We have no information about Mordremoth having any magical defence against nuclear weapons, nor do we have any information about him being able to absorb a 20 megaton explosion as if it were a stream of harmless magicka.
Hmm, do we have information about it working? Oh right, no.
“Would you kindly?”
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
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You havent explained how ausra tech counters modern day tech.
Can we make portals? No. Can we make golems? No. Can we create floting cities like Rata Sum? No.
Can you imagine anything we can create right now being able to go against Asura tech and win? No. It’s simply a matter of using that little head of yours a bit harder, just slightly harder than looking for that quote you copy/pasted.
I’m done with this for today, so good night and hope our military lasts more than a day against the Mordrem.
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Oh and by the way, did i mention that ASURAN TECHNOLOGY USES MAGIC!?
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Lot of people are forgetting a very key quote right now. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” That applies to this ingame compared to the real world, as well as the other direction.
I mean… if you were sent back to the 1700s with only a lighter on you, people would think you’re a magician or godlike.
Quite true, but please, tell me about technology advanced enough to raise the dead [Necromancers] or create illusions so realistic that they actually DO hurt [Mesmers].
Translation : MAGIC!!!
ppl have atomic bombs enough to blow the whole world 86 times, mordremoth its like an easy task
You’re assuming an atomic bomb can do anything to a magical creature like Mordremoth. Hell, he’d likely use the energy from the bomb to grow stronger similarly to how he used to activated Lay Lines to awaken.
Translation : MAGIC!!!
Your entire argument so far has been nothing but Magic wins because Magic is Magic and Magic does what Magic does, completely ignoring any argument or point made about our modern militaries. Do I really need to say anymore?
By all means, tell me what argument have any of you made?
“Would you kindly?”
Isn’t it rather funny that people keep claiming that the real world military are allowed to use everything in their kitten nal (nuclear weapons seems to be the most common argument for a win) and yet Tyrians are not allowed to use their main weapon, magic?
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Sigh, still blind as hell. Constantly trying to prove that our military can do this, yet you all completely ignore everything that happens and everything that’s mentioned in the game.
I’ve mentioned almost a dozen examples of how our modern militaries could be (and factually are) stronger than the magical societies of Tyria. How about you try to prove me wrong instead of spouting “b-b-but, MAGIC”?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
scientists don’t say it. It’s one of Clark’s laws. Which you’d probably know if you bothered to read anything instead of flailing madly in an argument about a thought exercise.
That’s a ‘fact’.
I would post links to videos of at least two scientists saying/agreeing with what Clark said (as well as several passages of Michio Kaku’s many books where he specifically mentions that phrase/law/whatever). Scientists love to quote Authors since they often guess science right, before even the scientists do. for example, any one involved in robotics or artificial intelligence in any capacity worth their wrench could cite all three of Issac Asimov’s laws of robotics without even thinking about it, but, you aren’t actually thinking in this thought exercise, you only want to attack me with an assumption that I’m not thinking, so, why should I think for you if you can even do it yourself?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
I’d love to see your source supporting the claim that magic in Tyria is any more exempt from the laws of thermodynamics than is technology.
I never said it was exempt, but, I’m going to make the rest of this post anyways, not specifically directed towards you, but to anyone who still wants to scream that magical words as if it ends all arguments.
You mean Elementalists don’t create fireballs and conjure things out of thin air? Rangers don’t just cause vines and mud to magically appear out of the ground, and not just ground that would naturally support vines, but ANY surface?
When you are creating that heat, it has to come from somewhere, it can’t just spontaneously exist from nowhere. The Vines and Mud have to come from somewhere. Mater cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change forms. That is a universal law. You cannot break it.
You can make the statement “b-b-but, MAGIC!”, but instead of saying MAGIC, I would like for you to use your head and explain how magic can accommodate the laws of Thermodynamics. I already know and can explain how, but I’m not going to argue both sides because the MAGIC side can’t argue on their own. I even gave you a hint in the last paragraph, so how about you debate properly and actually come up with an argument that Tyria is better than our Modern military, with actual points, or just get off this thread?
I hope this post doesn’t sound too attack-ish on you guys, but you need to start making an actual argument, instead of just saying MAGIC every three posts.
Are all of those efects coming from nowhere though?
We do not know that to be the case. I, personally, am not just saying MAGIC. I am merely pointing out that we do not know that magic violates any physical laws. The heat of a fireball spell could very well be coming from somewhere. The physical substance of a ranger’s summoned vines could come from somewhere.
In some of my favorite fantasy magic systems the laws of thermodynamics are strictly adhered to.
By all means, tell me what argument have any of you made?
Tyria has Golems…walking tanks that shoot Magic…..Earth has the M1A2 Abrams, which has a 120mm cannon that fires a round with a muzzle velocity of over a mile a second, and depending on the range, can penetrate 3 feet of solid steel like it was butter. Sure, Tyria has that magical Orichalcum that could possibly stand up better than Steel…except that they can’t, because Orichalcum is nothing more than brass or bronze…yeah…so magical! Advantage : Earth
If Asura Golems can fight the armies of the elder dragons, than our modern tanks sure as hell can!
Tyria has Airships that for the most part, fly magically, but are slow, and aren’t really that maneuverable….Earth has Jets that can fly several times faster than the speed of sound, and has radar and tracking avionics advanced enough to shoot anything out of the sky long before you can even see what you’re aiming at. Advantage : Earth.
Mordremoth took out the Pact fleet because of a sylvari insurrection, which our military doesn’t have. The Vines that ripped the Pact Airships from the sky, were able to do so because the Pact was moving too slow. Our super sonic jets would never be hit, and could freely carpet bomb the jungle until there was nothing left.
Tyria has Elementalists that can create supremely destructive magic, and those Elder Dragons seem pretty powerful too….Earth has Napalm, Rocket Launchers, Bunker Busters, MOABs, and Nuclear weapons capable of ending life on Earth 100x faster than any Elder Dragon ever could. Advantage : Earth.
You can’t beat a Nuke unless you had a 5 mile meteor or a searing level of magic, which, I’m not sure the Flame Legion has 10,000 more of those lying around…
Should I keep going, or are you going to make an argument against this?
Sigh, still blind as hell. Constantly trying to prove that our military can do this, yet you all completely ignore everything that happens and everything that’s mentioned in the game.
I’ve mentioned almost a dozen examples of how our modern militaries could be (and factually are) stronger than the magical societies of Tyria. How about you try to prove me wrong instead of spouting “b-b-but, MAGIC”?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
scientists don’t say it. It’s one of Clark’s laws. Which you’d probably know if you bothered to read anything instead of flailing madly in an argument about a thought exercise.
That’s a ‘fact’.
I would post links to videos of at least two scientists saying/agreeing with what Clark said (as well as several passages of Michio Kaku’s many books where he specifically mentions that phrase/law/whatever). Scientists love to quote Authors since they often guess science right, before even the scientists do. for example, any one involved in robotics or artificial intelligence in any capacity worth their wrench could cite all three of Issac Asimov’s laws of robotics without even thinking about it, but, you aren’t actually thinking in this thought exercise, you only want to attack me with an assumption that I’m not thinking, so, why should I think for you if you can even do it yourself?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Which would require advanced technology (which Tyria doesn’t have) and not just magic, besides the fact that statement is wrong anyways and amounts to wishful thinking on the part of every scientist that has ever said it, since sufficiently advanced technology still has to follow the laws of physics and still cannot create matter/energy from nothing and must follow the laws of thermodynamics, where magic does not, therefore, this makes technology always distinguishable from magic.
I’d love to see your source supporting the claim that magic in Tyria is any more exempt from the laws of thermodynamics than is technology.
I never said it was exempt, but, I’m going to make the rest of this post anyways, not specifically directed towards you, but to anyone who still wants to scream that magical words as if it ends all arguments.
You mean Elementalists don’t create fireballs and conjure things out of thin air? Rangers don’t just cause vines and mud to magically appear out of the ground, and not just ground that would naturally support vines, but ANY surface?
When you are creating that heat, it has to come from somewhere, it can’t just spontaneously exist from nowhere. The Vines and Mud have to come from somewhere. Mater cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change forms. That is a universal law. You cannot break it.
You can make the statement “b-b-but, MAGIC!”, but instead of saying MAGIC, I would like for you to use your head and explain how magic can accommodate the laws of Thermodynamics. I already know and can explain how, but I’m not going to argue both sides because the MAGIC side can’t argue on their own. I even gave you a hint in the last paragraph, so how about you debate properly and actually come up with an argument that Tyria is better than our Modern military, with actual points, or just get off this thread?
I hope this post doesn’t sound too attack-ish on you guys, but you need to start making an actual argument, instead of just saying MAGIC every three posts.
Are all of those efects coming from nowhere though?
We do not know that to be the case. I, personally, am not just saying MAGIC. I am merely pointing out that we do not know that magic violates any physical laws. The heat of a fireball spell could very well be coming from somewhere. The physical substance of a ranger’s summoned vines could come from somewhere.
In some of my favorite fantasy magic systems the laws of thermodynamics are strictly adhered to.
I’m not saying “just magic” either, it’s YOU who keeps coming up with that instead of actually proving your own arguments.
“Would you kindly?”
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
We have proof in game, with many thousands of examples, that beings with the ability to command undead or control plants are no more immune to physical harm than anything else.
By all means, tell me what argument have any of you made?
Tyria has Golems…walking tanks that shoot Magic…..Earth has the M1A2 Abrams, which has a 120mm cannon that fires a round with a muzzle velocity of over a mile a second, and depending on the range, can penetrate 3 feet of solid steel like it was butter. Sure, Tyria has that magical Orichalcum that could possibly stand up better than Steel…except that they can’t, because Orichalcum is nothing more than brass or bronze…yeah…so magical! Advantage : Earth
If Asura Golems can fight the armies of the elder dragons, than our modern tanks sure as hell can!
Tyria has Airships that for the most part, fly magically, but are slow, and aren’t really that maneuverable….Earth has Jets that can fly several times faster than the speed of sound, and has radar and tracking avionics advanced enough to shoot anything out of the sky long before you can even see what you’re aiming at. Advantage : Earth.
Mordremoth took out the Pact fleet because of a sylvari insurrection, which our military doesn’t have. The Vines that ripped the Pact Airships from the sky, were able to do so because the Pact was moving too slow. Our super sonic jets would never be hit, and could freely carpet bomb the jungle until there was nothing left.
Tyria has Elementalists that can create supremely destructive magic, and those Elder Dragons seem pretty powerful too….Earth has Napalm, Rocket Launchers, Bunker Busters, MOABs, and Nuclear weapons capable of ending life on Earth 100x faster than any Elder Dragon ever could. Advantage : Earth.
You can’t beat a Nuke unless you had a 5 mile meteor or a searing level of magic, which, I’m not sure the Flame Legion has 10,000 more of those lying around…
Should I keep going, or are you going to make an argument against this?
Mordremoth used vines to completely destroy the airships, forgot that or you’re misremembering just to prove you’re right?
A nuke [which the OP said wouldn’t be used, so everything i’ve been saying is based off that] would likely be devastating, but it wouldn’t kill something like Mordremoth at all.
A crappy tank is NOTHING compared to a Golem. If anything, a tank is more akin to Charr’s weaponry, not Asuran Golemancy.
Yet again, you show that you know nothing of the game.
“Would you kindly?”
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
We have proof in game, with many thousands of examples, that beings with the ability to command undead or control plants are no more immune to physical harm than anything else.
And yet again you only understand what you want in order to prove yourself right. When the kitten did i say that they were immune to harm?
“Would you kindly?”
Just one Nuclear missile from the USA arrsenal can level all of known-Tyria.
-Fort Aspenwood- [UNIV] [TLC] [ShW]
-Sorrow’s Furnace-
-Sorrow’s Furnace-
Are all of those efects coming from nowhere though?
We do not know that to be the case. I, personally, am not just saying MAGIC. I am merely pointing out that we do not know that magic violates any physical laws. The heat of a fireball spell could very well be coming from somewhere. The physical substance of a ranger’s summoned vines could come from somewhere.
In some of my favorite fantasy magic systems the laws of thermodynamics are strictly adhered to.
Oh, all these laws are being strictly followed in this game. I’m just waiting for someone to make an argument for it instead of saying they don’t know, or stating it as fact. You could, for example, say that the Asura storyline even talked about it a little bit. But even simpler than that. Magic could be a form of inert energy in this game that doesn’t interact with the physical world until conjured. Any energy can freely be converted into other forms, and energy can be converted into matter and matter into energy. To convert energy into matter (growing vines or making mud) would require several suns worth of energy for just the Ranger population to be able to pull from, nevermind everything else in the world, but it is possible. (Seriously, not you specifically, but, I can’t believe I was attacked for not thinking, but, I’m pretty sure that’s at least some amount of critical thinking right there)
Mordremoth used vines to completely destroy the airships, forgot that or you’re misremembering just to prove you’re right?
A nuke [which the OP said wouldn’t be used, so everything i’ve been saying is based off that] would likely be devastating, but it wouldn’t kill something like Mordremoth at all.
A crappy tank is NOTHING compared to a Golem. If anything, a tank is more akin to Charr’s weaponry, not Asuran Golemancy.
Yet again, you show that you know nothing of the game.
Any proof, or are you just angry at this point?
You should watch that cutscene again buddy. There was Sylvari blowing up the pact fleet while Mordremoth was ripping the ships out of the sky, which just proves my point that a fleet of super sonic jets would have been easily able to out fly those vines.
Prove that a Golem can withstand a Sabot round when a bunch of Ranger Rapid Fires is often sufficient to take it down. Prove that a Golem is faster than an M1 Abrams (which can move at 60 miles an hour, where a golem can only run sort of slow)
By all means, tell me what argument have any of you made?
Tyria has Golems…walking tanks that shoot Magic…..Earth has the M1A2 Abrams, which has a 120mm cannon that fires a round with a muzzle velocity of over a mile a second, and depending on the range, can penetrate 3 feet of solid steel like it was butter. Sure, Tyria has that magical Orichalcum that could possibly stand up better than Steel…except that they can’t, because Orichalcum is nothing more than brass or bronze…yeah…so magical! Advantage : Earth
If Asura Golems can fight the armies of the elder dragons, than our modern tanks sure as hell can!
Tyria has Airships that for the most part, fly magically, but are slow, and aren’t really that maneuverable….Earth has Jets that can fly several times faster than the speed of sound, and has radar and tracking avionics advanced enough to shoot anything out of the sky long before you can even see what you’re aiming at. Advantage : Earth.
Mordremoth took out the Pact fleet because of a sylvari insurrection, which our military doesn’t have. The Vines that ripped the Pact Airships from the sky, were able to do so because the Pact was moving too slow. Our super sonic jets would never be hit, and could freely carpet bomb the jungle until there was nothing left.
Tyria has Elementalists that can create supremely destructive magic, and those Elder Dragons seem pretty powerful too….Earth has Napalm, Rocket Launchers, Bunker Busters, MOABs, and Nuclear weapons capable of ending life on Earth 100x faster than any Elder Dragon ever could. Advantage : Earth.
You can’t beat a Nuke unless you had a 5 mile meteor or a searing level of magic, which, I’m not sure the Flame Legion has 10,000 more of those lying around…
Should I keep going, or are you going to make an argument against this?
Mordremoth used vines to completely destroy the airships, forgot that or you’re misremembering just to prove you’re right?
A nuke [which the OP said wouldn’t be used, so everything i’ve been saying is based off that] would likely be devastating, but it wouldn’t kill something like Mordremoth at all.
A crappy tank is NOTHING compared to a Golem. If anything, a tank is more akin to Charr’s weaponry, not Asuran Golemancy.
Yet again, you show that you know nothing of the game.
A golem can be destroyed by a man swinging a non-magical piece of sharpened bone, stick, or metal. You will be hardpressed to prove that the same can be said of a modern main battle tank.
It says something that the height of Asuran military technology, Golems, can be destroyed by some guy who figured out that if you scrape a piece of rock against another rock it gets sharp enough to cut stuff.
Modern military forces can strike from beyond the curvature of the earth. The pact air fleet was comprised of large, slow, and fragile targets that could have been destroyed by a handful of backwoods hicks with nothing more advanced than their varmint guns.
Mordremoth used vines to completely destroy the airships, forgot that or you’re misremembering just to prove you’re right?
A nuke [which the OP said wouldn’t be used, so everything i’ve been saying is based off that] would likely be devastating, but it wouldn’t kill something like Mordremoth at all.
A crappy tank is NOTHING compared to a Golem. If anything, a tank is more akin to Charr’s weaponry, not Asuran Golemancy.
Yet again, you show that you know nothing of the game.
Any proof, or are you just angry at this point?
You should watch that cutscene again buddy. There was Sylvari blowing up the pact fleet while Mordremoth was ripping the ships out of the sky, which just proves my point that a fleet of super sonic jets would have been easily able to out fly those vines.
Prove that a Golem can withstand a Sabot round when a bunch of Ranger Rapid Fires is often sufficient to take it down. Prove that a Golem is faster than an M1 Abrams (which can move at 60 miles an hour, where a golem can only run sort of slow)
Uhh no, the Sylvari were attacking the people on the ships, but they didn’t “blow them up”, Mordremoth’s vines did.
The game makes it a point that the Charr are a military race and they clearly have their own versions of tanks, which are obviously inferior to Asuran magical technology or else we would be using them against the Elder Dragons, which we aren’t.
I LOVE how you want proof, yet you can’t give me any either. Where’s the proof that a Golem can’t withstand it? Because we, as characters in an MMO, can destroy them with arrows? Arrows that, might i add, never run out or guns that never need to reload? Almost as if they’re infused with, here is the special word, MAGIC?
Would you like to try again or is this enough? I’m getting tired of people either twisting my own words or completely forgetting things that happen in the game.
“Would you kindly?”
This started as such an innocent question.
-Fort Aspenwood- [UNIV] [TLC] [ShW]
-Sorrow’s Furnace-
-Sorrow’s Furnace-
This started as such an innocent question.
And it escalated to this, like real war!
“Would you kindly?”
Mordremoth used vines to completely destroy the airships, forgot that or you’re misremembering just to prove you’re right?
A nuke [which the OP said wouldn’t be used, so everything i’ve been saying is based off that] would likely be devastating, but it wouldn’t kill something like Mordremoth at all.
A crappy tank is NOTHING compared to a Golem. If anything, a tank is more akin to Charr’s weaponry, not Asuran Golemancy.
Yet again, you show that you know nothing of the game.
Any proof, or are you just angry at this point?
You should watch that cutscene again buddy. There was Sylvari blowing up the pact fleet while Mordremoth was ripping the ships out of the sky, which just proves my point that a fleet of super sonic jets would have been easily able to out fly those vines.
Prove that a Golem can withstand a Sabot round when a bunch of Ranger Rapid Fires is often sufficient to take it down. Prove that a Golem is faster than an M1 Abrams (which can move at 60 miles an hour, where a golem can only run sort of slow)
Uhh no, the Sylvari were attacking the people on the ships, but they didn’t “blow them up”, Mordremoth’s vines did.
The game makes it a point that the Charr are a military race and they clearly have their own versions of tanks, which are obviously inferior to Asuran magical technology or else we would be using them against the Elder Dragons, which we aren’t.
I LOVE how you want proof, yet you can’t give me any either. Where’s the proof that a Golem can’t withstand it? Because we, as characters in an MMO, can destroy them with arrows? Arrows that, might i add, never run out or guns that never need to reload? Almost as if they’re infused with, here is the special word, MAGIC?
Would you like to try again or is this enough? I’m getting tired of people either twisting my own words or completely forgetting things that happen in the game.
Actually, there was a mission late in the game where you escorted Char tanks to the front lines. How could you forget this?!?
Also, you can watch the Heart of Thorns Teaser Trailer (and the end cinematic for Living world season 2) that shows Sylvari throwing fire barrels from their ships, blowing them up just as they threw them. You can also see Pact ships catching fire and blowing up before any vines even reach them. Its obvious that the Sylvari were blowing the ships up before/right when Mordremoth summoned his vines to rip the ships out of the sky.
I got a question….do you play the game? Its starting to get a little…..(insert expletive here), but, seriously, you don’t have an argument anymore.
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
We have proof in game, with many thousands of examples, that beings with the ability to command undead or control plants are no more immune to physical harm than anything else.
And yet again you only understand what you want in order to prove yourself right. When the kitten did i say that they were immune to harm?
You asked, “you really think that napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the undead?”
I pointed out that there are thousands upon thousands of in game examples of beings that can command the undead being every bit as subject to harm in any form as anyone else.
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
We have proof in game, with many thousands of examples, that beings with the ability to command undead or control plants are no more immune to physical harm than anything else.
And yet again you only understand what you want in order to prove yourself right. When the kitten did i say that they were immune to harm?
You asked, “you really think that napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the undead?”
I pointed out that there are thousands upon thousands of in game examples of beings that can command the undead being every bit as subject to harm in any form as anyone else.
I said creatures that command the undead clearly referring to the dragons, not an actual undead like a Lich.
“Would you kindly?”
Your not even answering the challenges I make to your talking points anymore. Admit it, you were wrong on several things, like the Charr tanks, and the Sylvari not helping to destroy pact ships. I think this argument is over. Winner, Modern Military, unless you have something, any shred of proof you want to offer? I offered several, but you fell back on the MAGIC argument for the arrows against a Golem (which I’m pretty sure fires at a much slower velocity and weight than a 5,000+ ft/s sabot round), which I already made the point is invalid unless you can explain why MAGIC is better, instead of it just being MAGIC.
/thread.
At no point is my argument “but…magic…”. If you’re so dumb that you only read whatever supports your views, that’s not my problem.
Keep being a blind idiot, that will help you.
The Pact NEEDED to create weapons to specifically fight the Elder Dragons. Why the heck is it that YOUR argument seems to be “X thing makes our military better”? SO WHAT!? The Dragons are magically creatures, of course i’m mentioning magic a lot and guess how Zhaitan was beaten? With magical technology created by the Asura.
This is the last time i’ll say it, so get it through your big heads, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. You really think napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the dead? Or control plants to the point where an entire Pact airship fleet was destroyed in an instant by vines?
We have proof in game, with many thousands of examples, that beings with the ability to command undead or control plants are no more immune to physical harm than anything else.
And yet again you only understand what you want in order to prove yourself right. When the kitten did i say that they were immune to harm?
You asked, “you really think that napalm or nukes can do anything about creatures that can command the undead?”
I pointed out that there are thousands upon thousands of in game examples of beings that can command the undead being every bit as subject to harm in any form as anyone else.
I said creatures that command the undead clearly referring to the dragons, not an actual undead like a Lich.
You specifically stated beings with the ability to command undead. The most common such are necromancer characters.