Guild Wars 2

Male characters should be able to wear women’s clothes and vice versa. Realism at its finest.

What girl hasn’t worn her boyfriend’s jeans at some point?

Fine with me. I think it should be allowed. Women can wear men’s clothing. Men should have the same rights as women

I don’t see anything wrong with the idea. I don’t see what relation could it have with “realism” either… but it would open a lot of useful posibilities to mix and match armor. My norn and human females would be really thankfull for this. Some male norn would be able to show their tatoos at last. Etc.

I have no conceptual objection to the proposal.

I do have a practical one: I don’t want ANet to be distracted by changing the setup. With the current requirements, it already takes them ages to add a full set of armor (for two genders and five races) and even then, we’re not satisfied with the quality.

So I’d support them adding gender-neutral sets, but only if that saves time.

Asura are waaaay ahead of you OP.

~as usual~

I’d like to dress my sylvari as a flopping fish.

I have no objection to the idea behind the proposal, rather than the proposal itself.
I’m consecutively against every proposal that doesn’t add anything functionally to the game. Wearing opposite gender clothes won’t make me fight better in raids, kill dragon minions more efficiently, or skritt against braham for ignoring orders of a superior commanding officer.

Amaimon.7823:

I have no objection to the idea behind the proposal, rather than the proposal itself.
I’m consecutively against every proposal that doesn’t add anything functionally to the game. Wearing opposite gender clothes won’t make me fight better in raids, kill dragon minions more efficiently, or skritt against braham for ignoring orders of a superior commanding officer.

How do you know that wearing opposite gender clothing won’t make you fight better in raids, etc? Have you tried it? You won’t know for sure until you do.

Amaimon.7823:

I have no objection to the idea behind the proposal, rather than the proposal itself.
I’m consecutively against every proposal that doesn’t add anything functionally to the game. Wearing opposite gender clothes won’t make me fight better in raids, kill dragon minions more efficiently, or skritt against braham for ignoring orders of a superior commanding officer.

We were promised a purely cosmetic endgame, so it’s totally understandable to want to focus on that part of the game.

Also, one can argue that being true to one’s character can improve performance with said character.

Mortifera.6138:

What girl hasn’t worn her boyfriend’s jeans at some point?

No girl I know, anyway. We prefer to wear our boyfriend/husband’s hoodies.

I.e., men’s clothing. The point still stands.

The main problem with crossdressing is that all the outfits were built for a specific build, and there is a big difference between the male body and the female body, at least for the humans, norn and sylvari. To have some of that worn on the opposite gender would require it to be redrawn somewhat.

A male charr in a mini skirt…

I think I’ll pass.

Katastroff.1045:

A male charr in a mini skirt…

I think I’ll pass.

How about if you add high heel shoes? A nice strappy set of high heels can really make the difference to an outfit.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Katastroff.1045:

A male charr in a mini skirt…

I think I’ll pass.

How about if you add high heel shoes? A nice strappy set of high heels can really make the difference to an outfit.

Don’t forget to add the Princess Wand.

Endless Soul.5178:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Katastroff.1045:

A male charr in a mini skirt…

I think I’ll pass.

How about if you add high heel shoes? A nice strappy set of high heels can really make the difference to an outfit.

Don’t forget to add the Princess Wand.

And a shiny glittery purse! Sure every Charr needs a purse to keep his make-up…ehm, I mean weapons, close by!

All of the above sounds smashing. Combine it with large white wings and the Halo and I think we’re good.

Male models can be prettier than that…

I agree with Illconcieved, I am all for this as an idea, I am just not sure if it is practical for Anet to do so. They have a hard enough time with new armor sets as it is. If they could do it without tying up tons of resources to do so I am all for it.

Ardent glorious leggings

Maybe not having all armour interchangeable (for dev time purposes), but maybe cross-dressing outfits instead?

Edit: I mean new outfits of course, not using up time and resources to change current outfits.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Maybe not having all armour interchangeable (for dev time purposes), but maybe cross-dressing outfits instead?

Edit: I mean new outfits of course, not using up time and resources to change current outfits.

I wouldn’t mind that, the new outfits being for both sexes. Right now they make a “male” and “female” version. They could still make 2 versions and sell them separately, each wearable by both sexes.

A big hulking male norn with a beard and tattoos wearing female winged armor would probably be enough to make me stop playing this game.

To be honest, I’m surprised a game as progressive as this one, with a single queen and lesbian couple, hasn’t incorporated this idea already.

Dashingsteel.3410:

A big hulking male norn with a beard and tattoos wearing female winged armor would probably be enough to make me stop playing this game.

Hmmm. Is a big hulking male Norn with a beard wearing this, that much different?

As amusing as this idea sounds, it could never work. They’re barely managing to put out vanilla versions of armour and outfits.

I don’t suppose they’d want to do all the extra art-work for that, although it’d be cool. There are other games where the female characters have such trashy revealing outfits you’d want to dress them in male clothes. There’s one where where pretty-much every females costumes provides up-skirt panty shots and most of them look like sex workers or dommes.

I agree it would be nice if they could do this. It would give all characters more choice of armour skins (less so for charr and asura where many of them are unisex, but there are still some gendered ones). It would also help solve my problem with the lack of sleeveless tops for men – I want to be able to show off my male characters fur pattern/tattoos/bioluminescence but it’s incredibly difficult to find armour that doesn’t fully cover them.

But I also agree that it would probably be a lot of work as male and female characters have different models and I doubt simply stretching or compressing the skin would work. They’d have to actually re-build them.

They’d also have to either split them in the wardobe – so every armour skin is listed twice or add a UI function to select which version you want to show.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Mortifera.6138:

What girl hasn’t worn her boyfriend’s jeans at some point?

No girl I know, anyway. We prefer to wear our boyfriend/husband’s hoodies.

I can’t wear my husbands jeans because he’s a lot taller than I am, I’d be constantly tripping over them.

But some of my favourite jeans are a style called “boyfriend” which is basically mens straight-leg jeans in womens sizes. They even have pockets you can actually put things in! Like a whole phone or a wallet! (Or a bat or a small snake, if you’re me.)

Mortifera.6138:

To be honest, I’m surprised a game as progressive as this one, with a single queen and lesbian couple, hasn’t incorporated this idea already.

A single queen isn’t that unusual. England first did it in 1553, 464 years ago (and currently has a ruling queen – she’s not single, but she’s the one who holds the power, such as it is). And many other countries have done it before and after.

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

My response :sure, why not?

Danikat.8537:

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

I think Charr have nipples, but they are covered by fur, so they can show bare chests.
Asura are a .. unique.. thingy. They can also show bare chests, without a nipple. And to be honest, considering their evolutionary line and how close they are to amphibious ancestors, I don’t think they really have nipples at all (even if this were a mature game)

Danikat.8537:

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

There was a preview bug a while back. I don’t have a picture to show it (and couldn’t show it on the forum if I did) but the human female was anatomically correct.

Ardid.7203:

Coconut.7082:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Coconut.7082:

If we are at it, Attack Helicopter should be a playable gender.

With a mini skirt and a nice set of strappy high heels?

Yes, and some of those sweet Hellfire missiles.

Internet is a horrible place.

There’s probably a backpack / skin / dye combo that will get you pretty close to that.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Danikat.8537:

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

There was a preview bug a while back. I don’t have a picture to show it (and couldn’t show it on the forum if I did) but the human female was anatomically correct.

Heh, that’s surprising. Especially since I’ve seen a similar screenshot of a male character and their anatomy was definitely lacking.

But my main point still stands – they’d have to modify the armour slightly because even without a nipple I doubt they’d be allowed to show the female character’s chests fully exposed.

Amaimon.7823:

Danikat.8537:

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

I think Charr have nipples, but they are covered by fur, so they can show bare chests.
Asura are a .. unique.. thingy. They can also show bare chests, without a nipple. And to be honest, considering their evolutionary line and how close they are to amphibious ancestors, I don’t think they really have nipples at all (even if this were a mature game)

Actually most real-life animals don’t have nipples (because they don’t produce milk for their young), so technically it’s us mammals who are weird. And even then some mammals just excrete milk onto the skin (but that might be only the monotremes who are especially weird). And they nipples aren’t always on the chest either – bats for example have their nipples in their ‘armpit’ – directly below the shoulder joint where the wing joins the body.

I think you’re right about both the charr and the asura – charr are like real-world cats in that their don’t have breasts and their nipples are hidden by their fur. We don’t know much about early asuran life stages but it seems likely they don’t breastfeed their progeny.

Then there’s the sylvari who cannot reproduce at all. Presumably the Pale Tree can, although that might require another living tree of the same species, and she may not want to. But the Pale Tree modeled them on humans so their appearance is mostly the same.

I wish it were possible for characters of those races to be dressed up a little more frilly

No, you really don’t. :|
Ladycharr in the Exemplar outfit is cringingly laughable.
Doesn’t get much better for Asura.

Rauderi.8706:

Doesn’t get much better for Asura.

Actually, I think that asura example is rather cute.

I’m 200% not biased.

~don’t look at my signature~

I agree with the OP. It would be entertaining and amusing in some cases (thinking male Norn or bald, bearded human in a gown). I would also really, really, REALLY like if something similar to the clothing made by the Endless Common Clothing Tonic could be armour which is my favorite outfit because of it’s simplicity and elegance.

Ive seen some costumes in eso. And i was able to preview thefemale dresses and tops on a male character….. it looks very very bad..

I like this idea, but I think it would take a lot to implement. My concern would be clipping issues on all the cross-gender stuff. Although there has been improvement, consider all the clipping issues with the charr. Applying something made to stretch on a human frame, to a charr frame, creates issues. I would predict similar issues with stretching a female dress to a male body, and vise versa… especially when you consider the proportions of male norn.
Something that I would appreciate, which would be easier to implement, is undershirts for characters.
In World of Warcraft, you can put an undershirt beneath your armor. This is useful if, for instance, you like the design of a female armor that is skimpy—but would prefer a more modest variant. The undershirt has no armor value, and is there simply to cover exposed skin, or to add additional color, to a given armor set.
In addition to this, Arenanet could also focus on creating new armors to give us options where options are lacking. For instance, more pants for light armor class (especially females), more non-trenchcoat options for medium armor class, ect. They could even design armors or outfits that bend gender roles—a “dress” that is made to fit male characters in the first place for instance.

Danikat.8537:

I can’t wear my husbands jeans because he’s a lot taller than I am, I’d be constantly tripping over them.

But some of my favourite jeans are a style called “boyfriend” which is basically mens straight-leg jeans in womens sizes. They even have pockets you can actually put things in! Like a whole phone or a wallet! (Or a bat or a small snake, if you’re me.)

You know, I avoided the “boyfriend jeans” because I just didn’t like the style. But they have pockets?!?!?! I’m going to have to buy some now. Pockets ftw!

RoseofGilead.8907:

Danikat.8537:

I can’t wear my husbands jeans because he’s a lot taller than I am, I’d be constantly tripping over them.

But some of my favourite jeans are a style called “boyfriend” which is basically mens straight-leg jeans in womens sizes. They even have pockets you can actually put things in! Like a whole phone or a wallet! (Or a bat or a small snake, if you’re me.)

You know, I avoided the “boyfriend jeans” because I just didn’t like the style. But they have pockets?!?!?! I’m going to have to buy some now. Pockets ftw!

A non-trivial number of women I know shop mens jeans, and report that:

A) pockets!!! pockets? pockets!
B) sizing that is actually predictable
C) nobody noticed over decades, other than the occasional woman who asks, “how did you find pants with real pockets?!?”

Recommended.

PS, OP, did you get the response you wanted when you tried to troll the forums?

re models: google Stav Strashko (bonus points for adding toyota to the mix)

re jeans: male jeans often use sturdier fabric (and more reliable sizing) so they get ‘borrowed’ often

Back on topic though. It would be interesting to not have outfits/skins not tied to genders. There was a big call for this with the wedding outfit (think same-sex weddings). The ideal way is with unisex wireframes underneath, like with the Asura. When you have different models under the clothing you open up a whole can of worms, everything from accidentally revealing something that is not normally shown in public to clipping issues. While it might be a nice idea in theory in practice it would be a HUGE headache.

It’d be nice, but I doubt it will ever happen, for workload reasons, and also because of asura and charr.

Endless Soul.5178:

Rauderi.8706:

Doesn’t get much better for Asura.

Actually, I think that asura example is rather cute.

I’m 200% not biased.

~don’t look at my signature~

Too late, I looked!
But that’s okay, I have tons of Charr. Like, possibly literally, if they were real and had weight and mass. At 200-300+ lbs each… Yeah, I have a literal ton of Charr.

And none of them belong in that corset. Just sayin’. :P

Danikat.8537:

But some of my favourite jeans are a style called “boyfriend” which is basically mens straight-leg jeans in womens sizes. They even have pockets you can actually put things in! Like a whole phone or a wallet! (Or a bat or a small snake, if you’re me.)

I always enjoy your posts but you just moved up into one of my total faves on this and ESO forums (yes, I lurk the latter, but haven’t figured out how to make an account for posting which might be for the best given how chatty I can get).

Pockets are great, so are bats and snakes.

Sadly, GW2 only has one of the three, and it’s more a tiny flying reptile than an actual bat. At least pockets aren’t vital when all our inventory magically appears out of thin air …

+1 to this request, that would be so nice! But I also see that it is probably too much effort…

I think Charr have nipples, but they are covered by fur, so they can show bare chests.
Asura are a .. unique.. thingy. They can also show bare chests, without a nipple. And to be honest, considering their evolutionary line and how close they are to amphibious ancestors, I don’t think they really have nipples at all (even if this were a mature game)

Ha! In the wiki it even says they have two rows of nipples, just like other felines. However, I was really baffled when I created my first character (female Charr) and saw that she is wearing this bra-like underwear by default! I mean, that doesn’t make sense at all and it looks really strange/ugly.

American puritanism taken too far! ANet, #freethecharrnipple please.

I want the crossdressing!
It’s been from the release of the game that I’m saying that it’s not fair that girl characters have the best helmets…. Look at the stag armor for example, the male one looks terrible compared to the nice design of the female one

SlippyCheeze.5483:

RoseofGilead.8907:

Danikat.8537:

I can’t wear my husbands jeans because he’s a lot taller than I am, I’d be constantly tripping over them.

But some of my favourite jeans are a style called “boyfriend” which is basically mens straight-leg jeans in womens sizes. They even have pockets you can actually put things in! Like a whole phone or a wallet! (Or a bat or a small snake, if you’re me.)

You know, I avoided the “boyfriend jeans” because I just didn’t like the style. But they have pockets?!?!?! I’m going to have to buy some now. Pockets ftw!

A non-trivial number of women I know shop mens jeans, and report that:

A) pockets!!! pockets? pockets!
B) sizing that is actually predictable
C) nobody noticed over decades, other than the occasional woman who asks, “how did you find pants with real pockets?!?”

Which is ironic, since one of the first historical mentions of pockets-in-clothes (below the waist) was for a queen of England (she wanted a place to keep her hanky and baubles). People saw her with her hands in these “pockets” and quickly went to dress makers for the new fashions, the artisans added ‘slits’ without any fabric to hold stuff — all anyone could see were the hands hidden beneath the dress; they didn’t realize for a while that this was form following function, not just a fashion choice.

Men’s trousers (or tights) didn’t get pockets until much later. And women’s clothes lost the built-in pocket in the late 18th century.