Guild Wars 2

So I’ve looked into these t3 cultural weapons a little, mainly because I was very interested in the Wolfborn Greatsword. Honestly, I didn’t feel like it would be worth dropping all the Karma for a rare, then having to transmute it to and exotic, blah blah blah. Anyways, heres something I noticed, and I’m not sure if this is intentional or not. If it is, that’s fine, some people might think its unfair but, oh well. The Charr t3 weapons can all be found by heart vendors in Fireheart rise – I’ve found every single t3 weapon there – for almost nothing, they cost less than 1000 karma. So I did a little investigating, and so far in my search I can’t find any other heart vendors in the game that sell same skin t3 weapons besides the Charr ones. I would really like to hear if anyone else has noticed this as well, or has found vendors that do sell these weapons. And I would love to know from Anet if this was just a mistake they made or intentional. Honestly I wouldnt be mad if this is how it is or if they made a mistake but I know some people would probably lose their minds, especially after dropping 63k Karma and finding out they could get the same skin for 500.

if this is in the wrong forum i apologize, i figured it seemed like a general thing.

only for charr? time to make a charr then Btw, is it exactly the same skin?

yeah, exactly the same. but its not only usable by charr, its just their races t3 weapons that you can buy with any character. I just bought the daggers for my human thief because they are pretty sweet.

It’s not like the T3 Cultural weapons are unique to their species, you know that right? Anyone can buy the other species’ weapons, only the armor is unique to each race. On top of that, you might not know this, but T1 and T2 weapons are commonly found throughout all zones for all types of cultural weapons and the “Light” weapons rewarded at the end of the 55 Storyline Quest use T3 use Human Cultural weapons as their model.

On top of that, I’m pretty sure most of the Dungeon exotic weapons just use recolored T3 weapon models.

okay, ya i know that any species can use them, thats not the point. They cost 63000 karma – thats a lot. when one races t3 weapons are available for 300-700 karma, something seems strange. im just wondering why the charr’s are available and no one elses seem to be.

Actually it’s not really all that much, considering how stupidly easy it is to get Karma with the most recent patch? Just do your dailies for ten to twelve days and you should easily have enough for a T3 Weapon. Heck, you could easily just run all the paths of your favorite dungeon (again, more karma) and have it in two or three days.

In short, Karma isn’t hard to come by anymore. Cultural weapons are significantly more obtainable now. Pre-patch? Yeah, you might have a point for the difficulty there (although, Charr T3 weapons are fugly).

EDIT: Oh yeah, don’t forget that the Fireheart Rise vendors offer them with silly names like “Bob’s Fencing Stick” or something along those lines. There’s a bit of novelty in the name itself.

you’re missing the point. next please.

Actually, you’re missing the point. I’ve provided a logical, well-explained counter to your argument, and you’re ignoring it for no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re available for a couple thousand karma or for a few hundred karma. You think it ruins the novelty of a T3 weapon? Don’t buy it and go save for the real deal. You want it easy? Go get the odd-named copies.

Do you have both? Do you have the T3 and the Heart versions and actually equipped them to see that they are exactly the same? Because “preview” doesn’t always show the real deal.

Outside of that, it does seem odd, but are you sure the others aren’t out there? That’s a lot of Karma vendors to check.

I believe you can find the Norn weapon models in Frostgorge.

A bug I presume or may be during this week/patch cycle the charr ones were made cheap for the event or so.

Sanarian.9614:

Actually, you’re missing the point. I’ve provided a logical, well-explained counter to your argument, and you’re ignoring it for no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re available for a couple thousand karma or for a few hundred karma. You think it ruins the novelty of a T3 weapon? Don’t buy it and go save for the real deal. You want it easy? Go get the odd-named copies.

Actually no, you really are missing the point lmao. He didn’t say anything about T3 weapons being hard to get, just why are there hearts in that certain zone selling the same weapons for even less than 1/4th of the price. Was it a blunder on Anets behave? Or do they ignore Charr just as much as everyone else does. :[

T3 human cultural pistol and rifle has the same skins of the ones I’m using right now at level 57 and they are drops.

@calavera, where did you find the human t3 looking drop? and what is the name? been looking for ages for an alternative way of getting a t3 human pistol

Hmm, here’s hoping that the Asura Tier 3 weapons can’t be gotten any other way as i’ve bought the Greatsword, the Hammer and the Staff for 63k each.

I have to say, Anet really need to make it so at the very least the Tier 3 cultural weapons are locked to race and only available via the 63k karma purchase (and perhaps half the cost for the 1hd versions). It’s pretty bad that the Tier 1/2 weapons can be picked up/purchased via TP at level 2 (my 1st GS drop was the Tier 1 GS in looks) – i’d be livid if the Tier 3 63k ones where the same.

It just seems like they ran out of time and just said “ahh well, lets just use regual skins instead – no need to make the cultural ones unique”.

@Oldgrimm I can’t tell you right now because I’m at work. I’ll get back to you when I log in later tonight but IIRC it dropped during a personal story mission.

According to Guildhead – http://www.guildhead.com/item/31941/seraph-pistol

The Light and Plated pistols share the same model as the Seraph Pistol
(which according to the wiki is the t3 human pistol)

The cultural weapons aren’t even that great when you compare the stats to other level 80 weapons.

You’re much better off saving up for something off the trading post or making yourself the weapons you want.

Zandiya.8475:

According to Guildhead – http://www.guildhead.com/item/31941/seraph-pistol

The Light and Plated pistols share the same model as the Seraph Pistol
(which according to the wiki is the t3 human pistol)

do you know where to find that light and plated pistols? as i see in their tool tip it is bind on acquire, meaning they are bought on some karma related npc,

Scarn.1703:

So I’ve looked into these t3 cultural weapons a little, mainly because I was very interested in the Wolfborn Greatsword. Honestly, I didn’t feel like it would be worth dropping all the Karma for a rare, then having to transmute it to and exotic, blah blah blah. Anyways, heres something I noticed, and I’m not sure if this is intentional or not. If it is, that’s fine, some people might think its unfair but, oh well. The Charr t3 weapons can all be found by heart vendors in Fireheart rise – I’ve found every single t3 weapon there – for almost nothing, they cost less than 1000 karma. So I did a little investigating, and so far in my search I can’t find any other heart vendors in the game that sell same skin t3 weapons besides the Charr ones. I would really like to hear if anyone else has noticed this as well, or has found vendors that do sell these weapons. And I would love to know from Anet if this was just a mistake they made or intentional. Honestly I wouldnt be mad if this is how it is or if they made a mistake but I know some people would probably lose their minds, especially after dropping 63k Karma and finding out they could get the same skin for 500.

if this is in the wrong forum i apologize, i figured it seemed like a general thing.

Can we know the exact location of this place and vendors? It might not be a bug, since there is only a limited amount of skins in the game they probably “hid” this kind of karma vendors around the world.

It would be awesome to find a close alternative to human T3 armor

Light Pistol – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Light_Pistol

Plated Pistol – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plated_Pistol_of_Life

Zandiya.8475:

Light Pistol – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Light_Pistol

Plated Pistol – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plated_Pistol_of_Life

thanks alot!!!

Shooopa.5632:

The cultural weapons aren’t even that great when you compare the stats to other level 80 weapons.

You’re much better off saving up for something off the trading post or making yourself the weapons you want.

You’re not supposed to get the Tier 3 cultural weapons for the stats, you get them for the looks.

That’s the point of the thead, the cultural weapon that costs 63k karma that you buy for looks can apparantly be gotten via much cheaper means – and this is only for certain weapons on certain races.

63k Karma for a rare weapon seems really ….high.

I have noticed that you get a number of the human T2/T3 weapon skins by completing parts of the personal story quest too.

My norn has the T3 human axe.
In the level 62 quest one of the options was the human T2 axe and horn.

Echo.7634:

63k Karma for a rare weapon seems really ….high.

At 1st i thought the same but getting karma at level 80 isn’t that hard (and you don’t really count the rare aspect as these are for looks – well it’s supposed to be, hence the thread). Add to this the new daily 4.5k and monthly 45k karma rewards and you can get an extra 184.5k a month (based on 31 days) from those alone.

So in 32 days from just the dailys and 1 monthly you can get 3×63k karma weapons (189k total)..

It is weird that you can get exact same skin as T3 charr cultural from fireheart rise vendors for so much less. I always wondered if there were equivalents for the other races.

I’d love to see what Anet have to say on this, there was a lot of threads at launch about the Tier 1/2 cultural weapon looks being easy to get off drops/TP – but even Tier 3 versions?.

Surely it’s not ment to be like this, surely the cultural weapons are supposed to be locked to race and unique.

Oh my.. way to make the T3 vendors pointless, I’d be pretty upset now if I had forked up 63k for one ;p

Working as intended, nothing to see here.

Because the Charr have so many issues with clipping and terrible armor Arenanet threw us a bone and made our cultural weapons easier to obtain with a little effort.

Zandiya nailed it. Light Pistol is the one I’m using.

MajorMelchett.6042:

That’s the point of the thead, the cultural weapon that costs 63k karma that you buy for looks can apparantly be gotten via much cheaper means – and this is only for certain weapons on certain races.

So it’s again just another vanity thing.

I mean, you barely even see your own weapons even when you’ve got them ready. Why do people care this much?

Charr T3 cultural should be Legionnaire’s skins IMO. Those other ones aren’t hard to come by at all, and don’t even seem to be used all that much by NPC Charr.

MajorMelchett.6042:

I’d love to see what Anet have to say on this, there was a lot of threads at launch about the Tier 1/2 cultural weapon looks being easy to get off drops/TP – but even Tier 3 versions?.

Surely it’s not ment to be like this, surely the cultural weapons are supposed to be locked to race and unique.

No cultural weapon is locked to race, so I doubt that was the intention. It’s a weapon after all, you only need to hold it, not fit inside.

Shooopa.5632:

So it’s again just another vanity thing.

I mean, you barely even see your own weapons even when you’ve got them ready. Why do people care this much?

I don’t know what you’re talking about, unless you’re playing an Asura. My Norn’s Pact Avenger is like a fusion powered buzzsaw diving board. I see it all the time.

Sanarian.9614:

Actually, you’re missing the point. I’ve provided a logical, well-explained counter to your argument, and you’re ignoring it for no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re available for a couple thousand karma or for a few hundred karma. You think it ruins the novelty of a T3 weapon? Don’t buy it and go save for the real deal. You want it easy? Go get the odd-named copies.

The OP provided some useful data and you wanted to ‘counter’ that for who knows what reason. If the data is not useful to you move on. There is absolutely no need to get into a discussion on how easy it is to get karma as you did in your other post.

That’s called a red herring since you seem to want to invoke logic in a simple thread where somone was passing on some information.

Maltyrius.2961:

Sanarian.9614:

Actually, you’re missing the point. I’ve provided a logical, well-explained counter to your argument, and you’re ignoring it for no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re available for a couple thousand karma or for a few hundred karma. You think it ruins the novelty of a T3 weapon? Don’t buy it and go save for the real deal. You want it easy? Go get the odd-named copies.

The OP provided some useful data and you wanted to ‘counter’ that for who knows what reason. If the data is not useful to you move on. There is absolutely no need to get into a discussion on how easy it is to get karma as you did in your other post.

That’s called a red herring since you seem to want to invoke logic in a simple thread where somone was passing on some information.

Thank you and the others seeing my point clearly, I guess some people just can’t read or something. Anyways, ya, it’s good to know others have noticed this as well, and please if any of you find anything, please let us all know. I can say that someone mentioned getting Norn t3 weapons in Frostgorge, but so far all I’ve come across are the centaur weapon skins. I"m still hunting though, I figured it gives me another goal while I go for map completion. Thanks again to those who stayed on topic, and I’m sure everyone who gets a skin out of this will appreciate this thread.

Shooopa.5632:

So it’s again just another vanity thing.

I mean, you barely even see your own weapons even when you’ve got them ready. Why do people care this much?

One of the main features of this game is collecting gear for its looks rather than a stats increase (it’s actully a selling point), add to this the cultural weapons are purchased for their looks and not the stats – so of course its a vanity thing.

Why do people care?, because they’re 63000 karma items that are supposed to be unique. I mean why would anyone spend 63000 karma on an item for its looks when you could buy the same look for under 1000 karma?.

I don’t know what you’re talking about, unless you’re playing an Asura. My Norn’s Pact Avenger is like a fusion powered buzzsaw diving board. I see it all the time.

I play an Asura and i can see my Tier 3 greatsword, hammer and staff all the time and just fine aswell.

I agree with you that 63k really isnt all that much for a level 80 in the grand scheme of things.

BUT considering that you need 525,000 karma (at the very least) for a legendary…..

last I checked t3 was lvl 80 and fireheart was not an 80 zone

mokaiba.4169:

last I checked t3 was lvl 80 and fireheart was not an 80 zone

A lot of people seem to be completely missing the point of this thread.

The T3 cultural weapons are only bought for looks. The only reason to buy them is to transmute the look onto an exotic weapon with the stats you want. You don’t buy them for stats, for their name, or any other reason.

If the look of a T3 weapon is available elsewhere for a cheaper price, this causes a problem. As I said before the only reason to buy a T3 weapon is for the look. That one reason is eliminated when you can get the same skin for cheaper. This is the OP’s concern.

Now the question is, are there any other cultural T3 weapon skins available from cheaper sources?

Now the question is, are there any other cultural T3 weapon skins available from cheaper sources?

Yes—sort of. I recall being rewarded with weapons following a Hylek story quest. The weapon skins were all identical to Seraph (Human T3). Granted, the selection was smaller—being a Guardian, I was offered Hammer, Staff or Sword—but still.

^I got a seraph rifle (wing bayonet thing) from a random mob ages ago. They’re kinda boring though so I ditched it.

I’ll go nuts if i find out you can get the T3 Asuran GS/Hammer/Staff via other places for cheaper, i spent 189000 karma for mine in the past few days .

Sanarian.9614:

Actually, you’re missing the point. I’ve provided a logical, well-explained counter to your argument, and you’re ignoring it for no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re available for a couple thousand karma or for a few hundred karma. You think it ruins the novelty of a T3 weapon? Don’t buy it and go save for the real deal. You want it easy? Go get the odd-named copies.

You’ve not really countered the point, only stated the rate of karma gain has changed. Yes, you can get the 63,000 karma weapon faster, but you can also get the 500-1000 karma weapon faster…. The rate of karma gain is uniform and nothing in that regard has changed the OPs original point. Not sure why’d you’d go/care for weapon names when people can’t even inspect what you have and you’re just transmuting for the skin.

The original point is still valid… why have essentially the same item for 63,000 when it’s available elsewhere for significantly less? If you had said “because the vendor is in a major city and not in a level 50-60 zone”, then maybe you’d have an actual counterpoint.