Guild Wars 2

They oughta just delete the Leader Boards…

Chuo.4238:

They oughta just delete the Leader Boards…

Or even better, people should simply get their priorities in life straight…

AntiGw.9367:

Chuo.4238:

They oughta just delete the Leader Boards…

Or even better, people should simply get their priorities in life straight…

That’s what I did. I was top 100 ages back then I my life changed so I couldn’t play as much. I made the suggestion to turn dailies into weeklies instead to give people the option to do it in one sitting instead of having login every. single. day. Just to do some mindlessly easy things instead of enjoying myself in dungeons/other content. But no, the broader audience of GW2 likes their F2P-like dailies model so my Anet points will have to endure.

Amadan.9451:

whenever i log on… the idea i have daily to complete sometimes make me logging off, even if i try to complete only 5.
i can’t bear to see them on my ui all day until i’m done, and when i finished with it, monthly appear…

Pick an achievement you are working towards or one you don’t care about and put it on your watch list. As long as there’s at least 1 thing on the list that will appear on screen instead of the daily or monthly.

Then you can either use it to track your progress or ignore it, but you don’t have to see the daily.

OP, i think your friends are quitting over SAB tribulation mode That thingy will take 100+hr for an average gamer to complete

I did a daily. I did a daily again. Hey! I did it again. That’s great.

A few weeks ago I concluded that in Tyria, you don’t do dailies. Dailies do you! So I decided to no longer actively pursue the daily dailies daily. It was very liberating. And so now, if I happen to complete a daily in the course of my daily adventures, cool. If not, that’s cool, too.

I’m gonna play the way I want to play. Daily. Or nightly, as the case may be. For as long as I care to keep playing. Come hell or high water or more Living Circus.

“I have spoken.” ~ Tars Tarkas

Hardcore players are around 10k AP? I must be hardcore then. But I play casually maybe 30 mins a day and a couple hours when I have free time.

Players can call themselves hardcore all they want but once they get beat by a casual player they scream overpowered!

If you’re doing ALL the dailies, it’s very possible that things could get fairly time intensive.

Dungeon runner? Fractal runner? Especially if you don’t have guildies online to help you out and have to try and find a PUG… Hell no you’re not finishing that kitten in 30 minutes.

I think a lot of people on here don’t know what they’re talking about. Yeah, if you pick the 5 easiest dailies from the main category and just do them for the chest… you’re gonna spend maybe 15-30 minutes.

but to do ALL the dailies, for both PvE and PvP? Yeah, 2 hours seems like a decent ballpark – especially if you get some annoying dailies.

but if we put all that BS aside for a while, and read the actual MESSAGE of what this guy is trying to say… He’s absolutely right. Dailies are boring, and they are not a reason to keep people playing.

I’ve heard the talk among my guildies as well. People hate doing dailies some days, and it’s only a cold reminder of how lifeless and dull GW2 has become. Whether or not you agree with me is up to you – it’s entirely subjective. Some people are ok with just doing dailies and that’s enough to keep them interested. Other people, like myself, don’t necessarily find it very fulfilling.

I used to be like some of these “hardcore” people and do ALL the dailies, everyday… but now I could really care less. If I’m on, I’ll pick the 5 absolute EASIEST dailies… Gatherer, Killer, Laurel Vendor, Karma Spender, etc… and get the daily chest while I chat it up with guildies on Mumble. That’s dailies for me now… just a thing to do to pass the time between releases.

The point isnt to finish all of them. There are many of them because each is different and cater to different playstyles, such as WvW. This to prevent neglecting playergroups and forcing you to do content you prefer less. Obviously you knew this, but everyone could use a reminder now and then.

This community is mad as toast.

2 of your friends quit the game because they feel they have to do all dailies every single day? Whhhaaaaaaaatttt?

Its probably a good idea they quit. Id advise them to stay away from games for a long time. Its obvious that those who choose to burden themselves because a ranking within a game or a suggestion that they need to complete them, are the kind of people that have lost the very fundamentals for gaming in the first place.

for the more casual players (seems about 90% of the posters in this thread) who obviously missed a few of the last patchnotes:
AP now give you rewards (including gems on some tiers) every 500 points.

so yes, there is some merit to getting as many AP as possible.
in addition, some people are completionists, they like to find every secret, explore all areas, and get all achievements. these players make up quite a big part of the community and there even are even games tailored specifically for this group (i.e. the fun flashgame: http://armorgames.com/play/4309/this-is-the-only-level ).
at first ANet lured in completionists with fun achievements like all the jumping puzzles etc, while the dailies were easily completable. then they suddenly changed the daily system completely and with it slapped the completionists faces.

I tried to do it as well but the only thing it did was keeping me from playing the way I want. 2-3 hours (with bad wvw achievements and pvp it can sometimes take even longer) was way too much wasted time.

it’s a shame, I really like to complete stuff, but ANet pretty much made it clear they don’t want me to.

Oranisagu.3706:

for the more casual players (seems about 90% of the posters in this thread) who obviously missed a few of the last patchnotes:
AP now give you rewards (including gems on some tiers) every 500 points.

so yes, there is some merit to getting as many AP as possible.
in addition, some people are completionists, they like to find every secret, explore all areas, and get all achievements. these players make up quite a big part of the community and there even are even games tailored specifically for this group (i.e. the fun flashgame: http://armorgames.com/play/4309/this-is-the-only-level ).
at first ANet lured in completionists with fun achievements like all the jumping puzzles etc, while the dailies were easily completable. then they suddenly changed the daily system completely and with it slapped the completionists faces.

I tried to do it as well but the only thing it did was keeping me from playing the way I want. 2-3 hours (with bad wvw achievements and pvp it can sometimes take even longer) was way too much wasted time.

it’s a shame, I really like to complete stuff, but ANet pretty much made it clear they don’t want me to.

No, they gave more options so people doing different things are very likely to complete the dailies by not focusing on them.
We make a checklist out of it … for what, a reward every 500 points?

Here is my take on the 500 points, taking rough averages on a monthly basis:

Dailies – 150 points
Monthly – 50 points
Living Story – 2 per month for 200 points each – 400 points
Plus the here and there points one might still unlock.

Unlocking one new 500 point chest per month is pretty reasonable. Even the weekend warrior should be able to do this since the bulk comes from the living story.

Let me compare this to something different – just because there is a one time bonus reward for each dungeon path per day – does one have to do every path every day?

“Too many dungeons burn me out, I quit.”?

If you dont like doing it,then why do it ?

Hardcore player means AP hoarder? hmm…ok

Oranisagu.3706:

for the more casual players (seems about 90% of the posters in this thread) who obviously missed a few of the last patchnotes:
AP now give you rewards (including gems on some tiers) every 500 points.

so yes, there is some merit to getting as many AP as possible.
in addition, some people are completionists, they like to find every secret, explore all areas, and get all achievements. these players make up quite a big part of the community and there even are even games tailored specifically for this group (i.e. the fun flashgame: http://armorgames.com/play/4309/this-is-the-only-level ).
at first ANet lured in completionists with fun achievements like all the jumping puzzles etc, while the dailies were easily completable. then they suddenly changed the daily system completely and with it slapped the completionists faces.

I tried to do it as well but the only thing it did was keeping me from playing the way I want. 2-3 hours (with bad wvw achievements and pvp it can sometimes take even longer) was way too much wasted time.

it’s a shame, I really like to complete stuff, but ANet pretty much made it clear they don’t want me to.

No one has obviously missed anything. Yes, we pretty much all know you gets chests for achievement points….so?

What’s the difference if I get a chest today or next thursday?

If you’re in the stats-race, then it should be a bit of a challenge.. Can’t expect to do every achievement-point in 5 minutes.. They’ve chosen to go for the stats-race, then live with the consequenses..

Dailies are more like a chores than anything else.

In my opinion I have better things to do in game and with my life then get a couple extra AP… 20 to 30 minutes to do the daily, normally get it by just logging in and playing. But spending 2 to 4 hours more for a few AP sounds not only like a waste of time but borderline OCD.

Your friends should take a break get some perspective.

Daily’s aren’t burning people out. People are burning themselves out.

Daily system is garbage, I would be in full support for them just to tack on a bit more work and rewards to the monthly system.

And to those who say you don’t get burned out from doing these or not fact remains is they are unique rewards for time spent on any given day that over time add up in your favor.
Those people with 12k AP might one day reach a milestone for some unique item. Would you all QQ that the OCD people who put in all this work are being unfairly rewarded or better yet does anybody who even plays this game enjoy what the daily system offers you the player and the life of this game!?

daily system is garbage its just a time gate to get people to log in everyday to get more eyes to peak at the gem store if anything now there not rewarding they are not fun
they have flip flopped and changed this system around a few times over since launch here’s to the day to when they just ditch this ugly system.

Riaky.8965:

Dailies are more like a chores than anything else.

i agree…

Vayne.8563:

No one has obviously missed anything. Yes, we pretty much all know you gets chests for achievement points….so?

What’s the difference if I get a chest today or next thursday?

you showcase exactly my point, thanks for doing it so nicely.

too many people think their opinion should count over anybody elses. like you did just there. some people might find the rewards from the AP chests useful, or like the zenith skins.

as a completionist myself I don’t want ANet to make the game unfun for you – why do you want them to do so for me? is your enjoyment of the game more important than mine?
why can’t you accept the fact that it IS possible to create a system to cater to both needs, instead of only to yours.

I am currently at 13,046 achieves (7,495 permanent vs 4,534 daily/ 1017 Monthly) and honestly yea i too am burnt out of doing them as dailies. The potential majority of points shouldn’t come from doing basic boring stuff everyday but rather through challenging content.
Why is an achievement like light up the darkness the 8 crystals vs Liadri worth less then 2 days of dailies? Change the daily system so you can only get 9 points per day (pve+spvp) since launch of the game giving an over-all total cap of points per year for dailies. That type of system would allow and encourage new players to catch up over time if they did all the dailies and ease up on those who do them all everyday. It’s not like players won’t still do the daily.
Offering the best rewards in the game, permanent account bonuses achievement points are pretty much mandatory for any player casual or hardcore as a-net’s latest karma gold sinks/nerfs make these resources even less available to you maximizing your intake at every-turn becomes a must.

Do you look forward to monthly achievements ? Do you maybe even enjoy doing them ?
My wild guess would be yes.

However you cannot say the same about dailies. People mostly feel bad just thinking about doing them.

It has been here before….dailies are the problem and limiting the AP points you can get from them is not the solution. It will only take a little bit longer before you get burned out. You will still have to do the thing you don’t enjoy doing.

Weeklies are the answer (until somebody figures out something better)…it is not about tiny tasks and tiny rewards where most of the time is spend looking at the loading screen.

Lol I do my daily on 2 accounts in 30 to 45 min and that’s doing PvP and pve dailies…

During a good week I get maybe 4 dailies done. Typically they are completed through normal game play with the occasional kill some ambients, craft or visit a laurel vendor. I’ve been playing a little over 4 months now and I still have not figured out what I’m missing on the days I don’t aside from a laurel and some other junk. My characters stay the same level, their gear is still there, and all my gold too.

I suppose I can see leader board hunters getting worn out with it. However, I imagine that fighting for leader board spots entails doing a lot of stuff for points that could seem like a grind or boring task.

I suggest they join a gym and spend those 2-4 hours doing something really hardcore.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I’ve been playing a little over 4 months now and I still have not figured out what I’m missing on the days I don’t aside from a laurel and some other junk. .

Once a month Anet sends the top 100 AP players freshly baked cookies.

Kuzzi.2198:

The dailies are too much, even for hardcore players.

I just had two friends quit the game within the past week because they could not afford to spend 2-4 hours every single day to get all dailies done. These friends were both hardcore – one with 12501 AP and other with 10339 AP.

I know people will say “You don’t HAVE to do all the dailies”. But, the truth is hardcore players will try to stay on the rankings and will try to do all of them every day.

I think a possible solution for this is to cap the PvE dailies at 10AP/day. This would let the game have more of the advertised “play how you want” feel.

You can do the daily in less than an hour if done “just right” (i.e. mixing and matching the easiest to obtain objectives). So that “2-4 hours every single day” just sounds completely off and more like their normal play session. I must also remark that in that normal play session, a daily can usually complete without even attempting it as the thing just ticks away during gameplay.

But related to your comment about how “hardcore players will try to do them every day”, though somehow that burns them outs. It sounds like a problem with your friends, not the game. I’ve missed…2-5 dailies so far since the first of the month.

It’s not required, it’s not necessary, and it’s not some ball-and-chain that you make it out to be.

It’s an extra goal that someone may or may ot choose to complete for the sake of getting extra rewards, all the while playing the game normally.

Stinja.9612:

Offering the best rewards in the game, permanent account bonuses achievement points are pretty much mandatory for any player casual or hardcore as a-net’s latest karma gold sinks/nerfs make these resources even less available to you maximizing your intake at every-turn becomes a must.

So you do things you don’t like to do just to get points so you get more loot while doing the things you don’t want to be doing in the first place.

I have a little over 5,000 points. A month ago I had a little less than 5,000 points. The award chest was decent enough, mostly the gold and the 400 gems that just about paid for the infinite-use gathering tool I gave to my wife as a present. It’ll probably be another month before I see the next chest, and doubtful that I’ll ever see 10,000. I skipped the gauntlet, dabbled in the invasions, and the super box doesn’t excite me. I don’t feel the need to do things I don’t want to do just to see my numbers go up.

I’m pretty sure that someday there will be a mental illness nicknamed something like “MMO Syndrome.”

tolunart.2095:

I’m pretty sure that someday there will be a mental illness nicknamed something like “MMO Syndrome.”

I’ve discovered a new problem called Stupor Adventure Box

Would be nice if we could save up to 30 dailies or more so we could actually take a break once in awhile, I hate logging in every day to do X, Y, Z, I just need to get away; it’s like a bad addiction that doesn’t come with any benefits.

Dailies take me like, 15 minutes. Not burning out on this end. LMAO 2-4 HOURS!??? Are you doing them blindfolded? One handed? I dont get it.

I got my ascended gear for my main and I stopped doing dailies. Sorry but I just can’t do anymore of that kind of grinding.

JustTrogdor.7892:

tolunart.2095:

I’m pretty sure that someday there will be a mental illness nicknamed something like “MMO Syndrome.”

I’ve discovered a new problem called Stupor Adventure Box

Oh, that will go away on its own in 2-4 weeks. Now Dailiphobia is much harder to get rid of, the only known cure is an Uninstalectomy. And even then there is danger of a relapse.

Kuzzi.2198:

The dailies are too much, even for hardcore players.

I just had two friends quit the game within the past week because they could not afford to spend 2-4 hours every single day to get all dailies done. These friends were both hardcore – one with 12501 AP and other with 10339 AP.

I know people will say “You don’t HAVE to do all the dailies”. But, the truth is hardcore players will try to stay on the rankings and will try to do all of them every day.

I think a possible solution for this is to cap the PvE dailies at 10AP/day. This would let the game have more of the advertised “play how you want” feel.

I have a few suggestions that I believe could prove useful:

1) Get a Time Turner.

2) Use the incredible power of your imagination. Pretend there are only the first six achievements every day.

3) Hire a chinese farmer to do the dailies for you.

4) Manage your time better – includes not wasting it on forum QQ.

5) Get a Hobby – I suggest boxing, imagine you gain 1 Achievement Point every time you pound the bag and you will go through life so much happier.

Hope it helps <3

The issue is with your friends. ANet made these optional, with a required number of five.

‘But I have to do them all I have to I’ll quit if you don’t lower the number!’
No, they don’t. A break and some common sense would be more useful to them.

This post makes no sense.
“I’m quitting GW2 because I can’t stand those dailies!”
You can just avoid them.

I tend to be a slowpoke and take around 1hr to 1hr 30 mins. I don’t mind doing stuff, but I wish they could just let me pick from them all. Like, stop the rotation and just have all of them there, and I could go around with my friends in any dungeon/WvW/whatever and get the daily without thinking about it. I mean, WvW makes it quick for me, but since I’m bad at roaming solo, I need friends on, and that doesn’t happen often… Sometimes all I have in a day is 30 mins, and that’s usually not enough for me to get the daily—much less to have fun while doing so (sorry if I’m not as skilled as the rest of you).

15-20 minutes TOPS. Usually in queensdale. Thats a grind!?!?!?

cinemapaula.8673:

15-20 minutes TOPS. Usually in queensdale. Thats a grind!?!?!?

like op very clearly stated in his first post (you really should at least read that one before posting on a topic, it gives a really bad and maybe untrue impression of your mental capabilities if you don’t) and mentioned by multiple players in this thread thereafter:
getting the daily chest is not the problem, getting all AP’s is.
that means:

• doing all PVE dailies (including running story dungeons etc, whatever happens to be in the daily)
• doing the three wvw dailies (like repairing when no one attacks your server, or hunting down dollies when your enemies hold no camps)
• doing all 4 pvp dailies, which means at least 3 matches, up to 15 minutes each

inb4 ‘you don’t need to do all of them’, read up on the rest of the thread, this has also been discussed at length

is it really that hard to read a thread and think a second before posting something completely irrelevant?

People are fighting about two different things in this thread.

1) people who feel obligated to do all the dailies, and get every achievement point
2) people who feel obligated to get 5/5 on ONE of the dailies

2 is easy, and if you’re complaining about that, you just maybe shouldn’t be playing an MMO. The only gripe I can see here is that it doesn’t offer enough variety. Say you are a big crafter or something, you can’t get your daily done. Other than that, if you just play the game, you’re almost always going to get 5/5 or really close.

As for 1, the leaderboards are dumb and should go away. I really don’t get why people feel that being on that leaderboard matters. I’ve never once saw someone with a high achievement total and thought, “Wow, this guy is a great player!” If it was like PVP rank, WVW rank, fractal difficulty rank somehow, I’d be impressed, but just a leadboard for doing a lot of mundane tasks? Yeah, good job, go tell your parents…

I am not trying to be mean, but it’s an addiction at that point, one that ANet is feeding by having cheevo leaderboards.

If you compete for leaderboard spots then you are no longer playing “your way”. Or at least “your way” includes competition now. So “your way” has to involve mirroring someone else’s “way”. For all we know the guy in #1 actually is playing “his way”. If you want to play “your way” and keep up with the progress he’s making playing “his way” then you are going to have to play “his way” and not “your way”. Make sense?

You can’t say you want to be on the leaderboard and also want to be able to play “your way”. That just won’t work. You have to play whatever way will keep you on the leaderboard, if that isn’t how you like to play then you don’t get to be on the leaderboard. It’s a conscious decision to want to be on the top and with that comes a lot of repetitive, grindy gameplay. Embrace falling down the list if you can’t hang.

Gaming addiction is a serious problem and it sounds like the OPs friends might have a problem. I have an alcoholic friend and he can’t open a bottle of alcohol without drinking the whole thing. Same basic premise.