Guild Wars 2

Bartas.4908:

ArchonWing.9480:

It’s more like “If I can’t do it via this method”, nobody else can.

So true. It’s quite interesting that such threads started to pop when some people ran out of APs -> reward chests.

I feel your pain, really do, but do not ask for nerfs just because someone played more than you or decided to go for achis most of playerbase didn’t care for. If I knew that ANet will reward us for APs we gained so far I would farm bit more in different places but since I didn’t (only 5760 APs so far) it will motivate me to do things I otherwise wouldn’t do in game and I bet it will be fun.

And that’s the thing.

I have like, 3400~ AP. The only viable source of me to get some more AP is to do dailies/monthlies/ kill people in wvw. I like to spend a lot of time in wvw, and those achievements will be fine for now, but they will run dry. I do not log on, look at the menu, and wonder “dude, which of these achievements do I have to fill. What, 5000 kills with a warhorn?” I understand I’ll never be competitive on the leaderboard; but I don’t feel like putting that type of effort, thus I simply just put up and shut up.

If anything, people that play less like myself only have these things to reliably gain AP while maintaining their own gameplay. Our time is limited already and dailies give the largest amount of choice. Capping them is just going to create tedium, and Anet is most likely aware. I like this because I can just play for just about an hour. I don’t want to spend hours doing some other crap unless it is engaging and does not have a 3-4 digit requirement counter. Aka, I don’t want do stuff for the reward, I want to be rewarded for doing stuff. because the former type of gameplay is completely hollow.

So no, I don’t want things to change, just because some people arbitrarily decided this is a rat race and want to ruin it for everyone else. I want to pick my own game, not be forced into someone’s idealization of a hamster wheel. Nor should people force their definition of “skill” in other people’s faces.

deviller.9135:

VOLKON.1290:

Fey Zeal.7032:

VOLKON.1290:

So, Fey… how exactly are people doing dailies negatively affecting your game play again?

Try reading all the above and trolling less? But basically why implement a rank system for something with daily and monthlies invloved?

You’ve missed the point.

How is this hurting you. It’s that simple.

it’s hurting him because he doesn’t want to online everyday (to do something) to be in top of leaderboards. (less time to maintenance of your position/rank). In addition he doesn’t want to do any which he doesn’t like (maybe PvP, WvW, etc).

Did you ever read a post so concise, so clear that it removed any and all doubts from your mind? Well forget them… this isn’t one of those posts.

Let me get this right… he wants to maintain position on the leader boards by not logging in and when he does by not doing what’s available that other people do? That’s like saying I should get credit for climbing Mt. Everest because I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express in Tibet.

Fey Zeal.7032:

It is not nonsense, to award no achievement points but give an alternate rewarded instead. The infinite sanctum sprint achievement that gives a rare every time you complete it but it rewards 0 achievement points.

If achievement points meant nothing to begin with why did Anet have an entire Ranking board created around them? They did mean something before not after daily and monthlies. I am ok with those achievements that lack skill because they have a Cap, unlike daily / monthly. Those achievements also generate very small AP. Also they do not take up 90% of the achievements, this is a very biased statistic.

Daily and monthlies do limit freedom and do devolve the game into kill 1000 of x. They do that in spades. And you are not forced to kill 1000 x there are many achievements like Jumping Puzzles, World v World and sPvP that are truly dynamic and entertaining. But I guess the population of Gw2 would rather, to everyday do this…

[Regional] Event Completer 0/4: Do x
[Regional] Killer 0/40: Kill x
[Regional] Veteran Killer 0/3 : Kill x
Ambient Killer 0/30: Kill x
Condition Applier: Do x Sneeze once while auto hitting on a Necro
Condition Remover 0/20: Do x
Costume Brawl Champion 0/1: Do x
Crab Toss Champion 0/1: Do x
Daily Aquatic Slayer 0/25: Do x… Slay x?
Daily Champion Slayer 0/1: Do x… Slay x?
Daily Crafter 0/10: Do x Sneeze once: while refining 10 mats
Daily Dodger 0/15: Do x
Daily Events 0/5: Do x
Daily Feast 0/25 : Buy x + Eat x 25 pieces of food of the TP and spam them all
Daily Fractal Runner 0/1
Daily Gatherer 0/20: Farm x
Daily Laurel Vendor: Talk Once
Daily Kill Variety 0/13: Kill x
Daily Kills 0/50: Kill x
Daily Mists Caravan Disruptor 0/5: Kill x
Daily Mists Invasion Defender 0/10: Kill x
Daily Puzzle Jumper 0/1: Do x find the easiest jumping puzzle you know and do it
Daily Puzzle Discoverer 0/3: Do x port to LA, go to the entrance of its 3 JP
Daily Reviver: Farm x
Daily Veteran Slayer 0/5: Kill x… Slay x?
Dungeon Completer 0/1
Event Mentor 0/5: Do x
Group Event Completer 0/2: Do x
Karma Spender 0/750: Talk Once
Keg Brawl Scorer: Do x
Keg Brawl Stealer: Do x
Keg Brawl Fumble Forcer: Do x
Leveler 0/1
Mystic Forgesmith 0/5: Do x
Personal Story Completer 0/1
Recycler 0/10: Do x
Skill Interruptor 0/15: Do x
Skill Point Accumulator 0/3: Do x
Story Dungeon Completer 0/1

(Keep in mind everyday = 365 per year)
So 11 of the mindless above x 365 = 4015 AP For nothing
But i guess dailies give you a trivial amount of points as you put it?

What part of the above isn’t mindless farming in its own right? Aside from dungeons, personal story and maybe few others?

And we haven’t even touched Monthly PvE/sPvP or Daily sPvP.

As for retooling the system well.. they need not do that. They just need to ad more Unique Achievements and or buff the points from existing ones.

It absolutely is nonsense. If you don’t award AP for doing dailies and monthlies, then rename them “Achievement achieved within a day or a month”

Arenanet adding a leaderboard is just add some fluff to add some marginal recognition to AP earners. So fine it doesn’t mean nothing. It means very little, though it is practically nothing to people who don’t consider pve to be competitive. And lol, pve is not competitive. So only PvP achievements should have meant anything. Just because people have decided it’s a rat race, doesn’t mean we should be forced to take that perspective.

It might have also been just a tool for personal gratification and something you can share with your friends, but I guess like anything that involves an ordered list, it just devolves into an ekitten contest.

I don’t like Spvp and jumping puzzles. And I do WvW plenty but now the requirements are in the thousands. Sorry, that’s not viable. I can take down a thousand bodies and get rewarded 6 points… lol.

Sure dailies are also, “do of x”, except they don’t have unreasonable numbers to it. And of course they come naturally from playing content unless you somehow avoid killing people in wvw, lol. Aka, no detours. That is what separates “mindless farming” from an actual reward. When the result is generated through intended gameplay. In other words, I never have to play the game to “farm”

So ultimately your complaint is that the points earned from AP is that they give too much for being too easy. Fine, rebalance the harder achievements and add more that are hard.

My perspective of the game is to play in desired content and hopefully the bean counter will increase as a side effect. This thread though, seems to be prioritizing the bean counter above all else, and I guess that’s something that’s hard to tell the difference.

VOLKON.1290:

deviller.9135:

VOLKON.1290:

Fey Zeal.7032:

VOLKON.1290:

So, Fey… how exactly are people doing dailies negatively affecting your game play again?

Try reading all the above and trolling less? But basically why implement a rank system for something with daily and monthlies invloved?

You’ve missed the point.

How is this hurting you. It’s that simple.

it’s hurting him because he doesn’t want to online everyday (to do something) to be in top of leaderboards. (less time to maintenance of your position/rank). In addition he doesn’t want to do any which he doesn’t like (maybe PvP, WvW, etc).

Did you ever read a post so concise, so clear that it removed any and all doubts from your mind? Well forget them… this isn’t one of those posts.

Let me get this right… he wants to maintain position on the leader boards by not logging in and when he does by not doing what’s available that other people do? That’s like saying I should get credit for climbing Mt. Everest because I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express in Tibet.

I want to be a professional basketball player but I don’t have the same amount of time to train like those “professionals”. I don’t think it’s fair that while I have to work to support myself, they can grind away getting better at basketball all day and be paid to do it! Since I play basketball maybe 3-4hours a week, I should at least be able to bench on the Miami Heat and get the pay that comes with that. I mean, it just isn’t fair!!!!! WHY OH WHY ISN’T IT FAIR!!!

Draknar.5748:

I want to be a professional basketball player but I don’t have the same amount of time to train like those “professionals”. I don’t think it’s fair that while I have to work to support myself, they can grind away getting better at basketball all day and be paid to do it! Since I play basketball maybe 3-4hours a week, I should at least be able to bench on the Miami Heat and get the pay that comes with that. I mean, it just isn’t fair!!!!! WHY OH WHY ISN’T IT FAIR!!!

You stole my analogy.

Craptrain.7203:

That would be the equivalent of me saying they should change the way the 100m sprint works in the Olympics, because I want to be competitive, but don’t have the time to work out for 8 hours a day. It’s not realistic and it’s not reasonable.

Fey Zeal.7032:

If achievement points meant nothing to begin with why did Anet have an entire Ranking board created around them?

Because people asked for it, asked, and asked and eventually Anet caved in. It didn’t give any more meaning to those points though.

Fey Zeal.7032:

They did mean something before not after daily and monthlies. I am ok with those achievements that lack skill because they have a Cap, unlike daily / monthly. Those achievements also generate very small AP. Also they do not take up 90% of the achievements, this is a very biased statistic.

Most of the PvE achievements do not require much skill (if any) – and those form the majority of all points. PvP and WvW achievements not only add up to only a small part of total points, but also maxing them is almost impossible (in some cases not for many years from now). Compared to that, living story achievements (for example) offer immensely greater number of points for far less work. And there’s no cap to number of achievement points you can get from those living story events, because there is no cap to the number of events that we will receive.

Fey Zeal.7032:

So 11 mindless task a day x 365 = 4015 AP For practically nothing

For playing every day for a whole year. You don’t seem to understand how rare that is. And how precious to Anet are people that do play like that.

Wow. TC, I feel bad for you as the reading comprehension here is not great. Thus, you are getting a lot of terrible responses to a good idea. We have threads about how ANet should take away HoM points (which require actual achievement)…yet everyone and their mother wants to keep the mindless point farm and call that ‘achievement’.

Also, to those coming up with groundbreaking sports analogies…last time I checked killing 30 non-hostile creatures in a game is so not the same as training at a professional level.

Now look, I realize that the majority of the forum population wants something for nothing. Everyone wants achievement points, and then skins, and all the other things that come with it without achieving anything. Zero. Then they will inevitably go on to complain about the rewards they get for doing absolutely nothing of worth.

Again..talking to the laurel vendor is not something of worth. Neither is killing X enemies in Y zone. Or taking out mosquitoes.

The TC actually had facts to back it up, whereas I see no facts from the people calling them an idiot. That is, the scaling on points is out of whack, there is no way doing one activity over time should reward more points than a far harder activity. Regardless of you have 24 hours to do it or not.

Bottom line, the leader-board is trash and unfortunately the company has mislead the playerbase. I distinctly remember many interviews pre-release where it was stated some kid who has all the time in the world would be on even footing with someone who does not. That definitely is not the case here, the person with no time can complete some super hard / time consuming achievement and still be wearing the same reward armor as a kid who talked to the laurel vendor for a month.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Wow. TC, I feel bad for you as the reading comprehension here is not great.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension, it has to do with the fact that the OP’s request is unreasonable and unrealistic, hence disagreement.

I’m sorry you care so much about the achievement leaderboard and your place on it, but you’re supporting the OP’s suggestion which cuts others off at the knees instead of giving you a box to stand on. That’s not logical or reasonable in any sense of the words.

It’s like any other game. If you want to have the high score, you have to put your foot in it and ignore the masses who seek to validate their lack of drive and sense of entitlement by minimizing the achievement.

Craptrain.7203:

Gotejjeken.1267:

Wow. TC, I feel bad for you as the reading comprehension here is not great.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension, it has to do with the fact that the OP’s request is unreasonable and unrealistic, hence disagreement.

I’m sorry you care so much about the achievement leaderboard and your place on it, but you’re supporting the OP’s suggestion which cuts others off at the knees instead of giving you a box to stand on. That’s not logical or reasonable in any sense of the words.

Who said I care about a leaderboard? I care about accomplishment. Hence the reason I used reward armor as an example, not any leaderboard.

Sure it ‘cuts you off at the knees’…but it really should. In other games achievements are usually things that take more than minimal effort to do; here that is not the case. When someone is running around in reward armor or has a lot of AP, I want it to be because they earned something…not because they have a lot of time to burn.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Craptrain.7203:

Gotejjeken.1267:

Wow. TC, I feel bad for you as the reading comprehension here is not great.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension, it has to do with the fact that the OP’s request is unreasonable and unrealistic, hence disagreement.

I’m sorry you care so much about the achievement leaderboard and your place on it, but you’re supporting the OP’s suggestion which cuts others off at the knees instead of giving you a box to stand on. That’s not logical or reasonable in any sense of the words.

Who said I care about a leaderboard?

You did. You specifically mentioned it as something you have an issue with.

So the crux of your argument is that you want all the rewards to be harder to get? Really? I want you to read all the complaints saying reward skins are too hard to get, put yourself in ANet’s shoes, and think about whether harder rewards is a good business model.

What a outrageous suggestion! Do you expect people to actually earn their achievements through doing different content and challenges?!

Keep the daily grind to reach God tier!!! (chanting in the background)….

/sarcasm