Guild Wars 2

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

i’ll bet you 20 gold that people will line up to vote for something that has to do with gw1, something that has nothing to do with gw2 or more free win buttons to make this game closer to farmville.. then 8 months later arena net will add time gated material and a series of overhauls to things that have needed absolutely subtle changes since launch

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

I wish they would but the only people they listen to are the people who say “NO DUELING!” And “NO MOUNTS!” and that’s why they are losing people because they only listen to those people and not the general players that do want things like that I mean it’s fine if they don’t add mounts but there are a lot of other things that they should add that they aren’t adding because “It would be too much like wow” sometimes improving what your competition has done is a good thing.

XApocalypse.8739:

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

I wish they would but the only people they listen to are the people who say “NO DUELING!” And “NO MOUNTS!” and that’s why they are losing people because they only listen to those people and not the general players that do want things like that I mean it’s fine if they don’t add mounts but there are a lot of other things that they should add that they aren’t adding because “It would be too much like wow” sometimes improving what your competition has done is a good thing.

I can tell you right now we are losing to WoW. Theres SO much more to do other then fight. Hell you can have mini fights like a pokemon game. I lost 4 friends that no longer want nothing to do with Gw2 because its become boring and stale. We NEED to start making it like WoW. We NEED new features, fresh ideas, something that holds on to people again. Give us more of a reason to play further after “Been there, Done That.” cause thats the running joke with my group when anything Gw related is brought up now. The stories are nice but we need the community as one to vote on the thing we ALL want, and anet really needs to sit down together make some choices.

Nobody will do better than WoW until the end of WoW. It’s useless to rate GW2’s success by relationship to WoW, as Blizzard and Anet are simply incomparable, and you can’t expect Anet to keep the same pace.

There is a healthy number of players on GW2 every day, and they are making a lot of money still, so currently it is quite successful.

Andred.1087:

Nobody will do better than WoW until the end of WoW. It’s useless to rate GW2’s success by relationship to WoW, as Blizzard and Anet are simply incomparable, and you can’t expect Anet to keep the same pace.

There is a healthy number of players on GW2 every day, and they are making a lot of money still, so currently it is quite successful.

This is true, and I understand that, no one can compete with wow, they’re rolling in riches every second. But at one point WoW was nothing. They started as nothing. Why cant Gw2 do the same? Instead of wasting time on deciding what color the new sword will be on the gem store or what item you have to grind your kitten off for in the next story update is gonna be, they should really consider this voting idea, and really take it to heart. Simply telling people they’re listening isn’t enough. Actions speak louder then words.
Give us a reason to play your game!

I don’t know why we don’t have a big arena 10×10 15×15 20×20 and 25×25 yet.
If you tell me that probably would ended the wxwxw , IWill tell you. Reduce the servers and do the guild versus guilds on this “new type of game”.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t hard to do. Just need to create UI for 10….ppl party. Not so hard burst the player base again. Don’t wait more. Do it now

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar. Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

If you want the game to be more like WoW… play WoW. Because nothing will be more like WoW than WoW.

Yes, there are some good ideas in other games, and I wish GW2 would make some improvements. But mounts & duelling are pretty much on the bottom of my list. If you want to ride mounts and waggle your kittens around in a “hey duel me bro” moment… there are games which do that very well.

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar.

Are you sure about that?

Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Because not everyone wants the same thing? I mean besides a “spawn Precursor” button. And, notably, even if we could agree on one thing . . . it’s unlikely we could all agree on how to have that one thing.

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

So, let me get this straight, your argument about the voting system is “it’s okay if only the majority get what they want, the minority obviously isn’t going to pay anyway”.

. . . which means I’m now obligated to stop paying for gems if the vote does something I don’t want, like, adding Cantha.

Mixistrike.7840:

I don’t know why we don’t have a big arena 10×10 15×15 20×20 and 25×25 yet.
If you tell me that probably would ended the wxwxw , IWill tell you. Reduce the servers and do the guild versus guilds on this “new type of game”.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t hard to do. Just need to create UI for 10….ppl party. Not so hard burst the player base again. Don’t wait more. Do it now

Are you really sure , you want the ’’support’’ of the company about this ?

Because that means :
a) PvP stats = less stats than the WvWvW (you cant have a mode , where the STATS are off the roof and evethying melts into secs) …
Also , the PvP side have always characterized about evey1 is equal in the STATS -there no grind so you cant have a mode acts differently in the PvP from the rest …
b) PvP Balance (some spells already operate different in PvP – mostly nerfed)
c) The company can create a 15v15 map , but they will implant seondary objectives , so ppl can split up and dont have 15v15 deathmatches
d) Less unbalance runes

Again , are you really sure ?

Offtopic : We have alreally have mounts (Drill + Witch broom + Dry Kite) :P

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar.

Are you sure about that?

Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Because not everyone wants the same thing? I mean besides a “spawn Precursor” button. And, notably, even if we could agree on one thing . . . it’s unlikely we could all agree on how to have that one thing.

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

So, let me get this straight, your argument about the voting system is “it’s okay if only the majority get what they want, the minority obviously isn’t going to pay anyway”.

. . . which means I’m now obligated to stop paying for gems if the vote does something I don’t want, like, adding Cantha.

The whole idea is to get the one feature people want sooner. And yes if you are the 10% vs the 90% then I’m sorry? We get what we vote for. If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

Then move on to the next thing we want and agree on. It’s not only getting what we want but this allows when we get them.

TheFool.4589:

We NEED to start making it like WoW.

That would end this game. Of this I am 100% confident. The people left playing this game are the people that do not want it like WoW. The people that want it like WoW are playing WoW. They can stay there.

I mean seriously, if people want the game like WoW, why the heck aren’t they just playing WoW?

TheFool.4589:

If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

As an old Jefferson Airplane Fan i vote for flying toasters

For WoW gameplay, go play WoW.

Although I’ve heard that WoW is now loosing players, since they changed the approach to other direction…

Then again, Blizzard/Activision is big company, that has very likely many offices (or what they’re called, can’t find the correct word) around the world.

While ANet has only 1 office(kitten word, can’t remember it) in america with 300+ employees.

If I remember correct…
Correct me if I’m wrong, tho I think I’m wrong about many things right now.

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar. Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

But everyone doesn’t vote. The people that post on the forum, traditionally anyway, are a minority of the playerbase. The company has to look out for the whole playerbase, not just the forum nobility.

Vayne.8563:

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar. Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

But everyone doesn’t vote. The people that post on the forum, traditionally anyway, are a minority of the playerbase. The company has to look out for the whole playerbase, not just the forum nobility.

Read original post of mine.
They can use FB and the in game mailing system to promote it.

Csele.1647:

livingstory or gtfo is the message guys , isnt it clear after 2 years?

A NEW EXPANSION! MORE ZONES! (not this piddly Dry Top crap) 5 MORE LEVELS! MORE DUNGEONS! LESS GEM STORE ADDITIONS!

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

TheFool.4589:

Vayne.8563:

Designing games by committee never works. Most people aren’t as good at game design as they think they are.

You get more bees with honey then vinegar. Us as one can make a choice. And how can it not work when all of the community and players as one want the same thing?

Its not about game design, its what we all want in the game. This is why we vote. if it ruins it for the 10% in favor of the 90% thats a win. that 10% isnt gonna pour money into anets wallet. the 90% will.

But everyone doesn’t vote. The people that post on the forum, traditionally anyway, are a minority of the playerbase. The company has to look out for the whole playerbase, not just the forum nobility.

Read original post of mine.
They can use FB and the in game mailing system to promote it.

Again, you’re still missing my point.

The people who vote will be the most vested in the game. Who understand the game best. They’ll vote for what’s best for them.

Many people, probably most, don’t think deeply about their gaming experience at all. They don’t KNOW what they want. Some might think they know, but it doesn’t mean they do.

A lot of people say you shouldn’t nerf OP builds, you should build up all the other skills in the game, so that they’re on par with the OP build. From a design point of view, that’s ridiculous. It’s a huge amount of work, that will trivialize everything in the game. But it’s amazing how often someone will post it.

People aren’t game designers. I wouldn’t write a novel by committee and I wouldn’t design a game by one. I don’t trust people voting to vote for what’s best for the game. It doesn’t even stop a bunch of people from troll voting, and you know it will happen. This isn’t a feasible idea for a themepark MMO.

Voting would only work if it were an in game poll. That being said it should only be used for QoL features not overall game design with the exception of how we would like it delivered such as expansion or LS…better yet both.

TheFool.4589:

The whole idea is to get the one feature people want sooner. And yes if you are the 10% vs the 90% then I’m sorry? We get what we vote for. If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

No, no, don’t apologize if you’re not really sorry. You mean this proposition seriously, while I don’t think many would take it seriously or even think of it.

Then move on to the next thing we want and agree on. It’s not only getting what we want but this allows when we get them.

Don’t contradict yourself in the same post, that’s always going to look sketchy. You already admitted “we” aren’t going to get all the things “we” want, but one of “us” might if we voted “the right way”.

Democracy is not always the answer to making something better.

cheshirefox.7026:

farmville..h

Hitting the nail on the head.
There’s my ONE daily allowed post for you guys.

Edit: @ voting. I’ve had enough kittening democracy in this game to last me a lifetime, Evon and Kiel, was subversive and extortion(minis) enough.
Democrazy, geetee-effooohh(because acronyms that stand for bad words get you infracted and banned, true story)

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TheFool.4589:

The whole idea is to get the one feature people want sooner. And yes if you are the 10% vs the 90% then I’m sorry? We get what we vote for. If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

No, no, don’t apologize if you’re not really sorry. You mean this proposition seriously, while I don’t think many would take it seriously or even think of it.

Then move on to the next thing we want and agree on. It’s not only getting what we want but this allows when we get them.

Don’t contradict yourself in the same post, that’s always going to look sketchy. You already admitted “we” aren’t going to get all the things “we” want, but one of “us” might if we voted “the right way”.

Democracy is not always the answer to making something better.

Then what is the answer? It’s the people that don’t want change that kill games.

TheFool.4589:

Read original post of mine.
They can use FB and the in game mailing system to promote it.

The problem with your whole Idea, OP, is that you assume that:

A) Creating content is simplistic and has no real consequences on the game and
B) The whole community is a sunshine-rainbow filled place that will all agree on one thing and
C) We, as players, know what is best for the game.

And that’s the problem. We don’t know whats best for the game. It’s what Vayne and Tobias is trying to tell you. Players don’t think hard enough about changes they would make to a game. Let’s assume this happened and we made a community vote about balancing. Take the classic itteration of game balance: Player A says “Why don’t we just buff all the other classes so class X isn’t OP?” We all nod are heads and go “Yeah, lets do that!”

The results of that is that EVERYTHING in the game becomes much easier to do and now Anet would have to re-design everything because people would then complain that the game is “so easy” (probably the same people who came up with the balancing idea). Not only that, but it would require a ton of work to redesign all the classes and even more work to redesign the entire game. And with all that work they are doing, they are using revenue for it (because they don’t do their jobs for free) where that revenue could have gone into new content or something different all because players don’t think deep enough about decisions.

That’s if your idea even assumes we all agree on the same thing. I, for one, certainly don’t want the game to be more similar to WoW. Does that make me a minority, or does that make you a minority? Some people want uber-hardcore dungeons and raids. I don’t, because I find dungeons fun only one time and then every other time after it is essentially the same thing. Once again, does that make me a minority or the people who want dungeons? The community will have conflict over every issue.

TL;DR- It doesn’t work. It’s a nice idea in a fantasy but it doesn’t work. Never has, never will.

TheFool.4589:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TheFool.4589:

The whole idea is to get the one feature people want sooner. And yes if you are the 10% vs the 90% then I’m sorry? We get what we vote for. If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

No, no, don’t apologize if you’re not really sorry. You mean this proposition seriously, while I don’t think many would take it seriously or even think of it.

Then move on to the next thing we want and agree on. It’s not only getting what we want but this allows when we get them.

Don’t contradict yourself in the same post, that’s always going to look sketchy. You already admitted “we” aren’t going to get all the things “we” want, but one of “us” might if we voted “the right way”.

Democracy is not always the answer to making something better.

Then what is the answer? It’s the people that don’t want change that kill games.

Is this a factual statement? Are you sure about this? Because I’ve been looking it up and I can’t find this at all.

For example, you might know me as a defender of the game. I like certain things about this game. But there are certain things I do wish would change. They’re just very different than things you’d wish to change. There’s a thread on the first page with some targetting suggestion right now that I agree with. I think it should change.

But I think many (if not most) of the changes I see suggested would change the game in a way that would be worse, not better. That’s the problem with change. Just because someone likes something doesn’t make the change good.

You say people who are against change are the enemies of games. I say more games probably die from devs listening to people than doing what they want. And you know, I can’t prove it…any more than you can.

I think everyone’s missing the point of my idea. Abets still in charge of what they put in the game. But if they’re are seeing a lot of people who want the same thing then they should put it to a in game vote. I don’t understand how this isn’t a good idea for anet and the community. If majority of the player base wants something how is that bad when they wanted it????

I think, as far as the forum and other avenues where players have the ability to offer feedback/input, ArenaNet is already aware of what the players ‘want’. I’m not sure it would be any more informative by having them spend resources setting up some kind of ‘vote’.

When we did vote on something, it seems many players were disappointed, as the vote was very close. And that was when there were only two choices!

What we do have is the CDIs. There is where we can all ‘vote’ about whether we are interested in something being implemented, and how we feel it might be implemented best.

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

TheFool.4589:

I think everyone’s missing the point of my idea. Abets still in charge of what they put in the game. But if they’re are seeing a lot of people who want the same thing then they should put it to a in game vote. I don’t understand how this isn’t a good idea for anet and the community. If majority of the player base wants something how is that bad when they wanted it????

Because the majority of the player base now isn’t the majority of the player base in the future.

Also there’s no way to determine “the majority” since you’re not just looking at active player base but also at future and returning players.

It’s more complicated than you make it out to be.

Also think about “majority” – if your company has to make a decision and one part of the player base hates it and one part wants it if the majority vs minority is 90% vs 10% the cut is easy.

But what if it’s 50% vs 40% with about 10% not voting. If you make the decision 40% of your player base will be mad as hell. They’re going to hate it and many will leave.

If you don’t implement it the other 50% is mad as hell.

A majority doesn’t mean an overwhelming majority and given that this MMO is very diverse I doubt you’ll ever have the luxury of an overwhelming majority.

Look at an experiment they did – Evon vs Kiel – the numbers there were very close and no matter how you cut it a lot of people will be mad. And that was regarding something that didn’t have a huge impact on the game.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Mixistrike.7840:

I don’t know why we don’t have a big arena 10×10 15×15 20×20 and 25×25 yet.
If you tell me that probably would ended the wxwxw , IWill tell you. Reduce the servers and do the guild versus guilds on this “new type of game”.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t hard to do. Just need to create UI for 10….ppl party. Not so hard burst the player base again. Don’t wait more. Do it now

Are you really sure , you want the ’’support’’ of the company about this ?

Because that means :
a) PvP stats = less stats than the WvWvW (you cant have a mode , where the STATS are off the roof and evethying melts into secs) …
Also , the PvP side have always characterized about evey1 is equal in the STATS -there no grind so you cant have a mode acts differently in the PvP from the rest …
b) PvP Balance (some spells already operate different in PvP – mostly nerfed)
c) The company can create a 15v15 map , but they will implant seondary objectives , so ppl can split up and dont have 15v15 deathmatches
d) Less unbalance runes

Again , are you really sure ?

Offtopic : We have alreally have mounts (Drill + Witch broom + Dry Kite) :P

Are you kidding? Did you go to obsidian sanctum lately? This is happening already, we just don’t have any tool to do this. There is a lots of guilds focused on “gvg” unfortunately we need yo put gvg inside quotes.

Harper.4173:

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

On log in: big pop-up in the middle of your screen. You get a reward for filling out the survey. It will exclusively hit active players of all types. That’s how you do it. You don’t need facebook, you don’t need forums, neither of those are representative anyway. You need the players and where better to reach the people who play your game than in the actual game.

Draknar.5748:

Harper.4173:

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

On log in: big pop-up in the middle of your screen. You get a reward for filling out the survey. It will exclusively hit active players of all types. That’s how you do it. You don’t need facebook, you don’t need forums, neither of those are representative anyway. You need the players and where better to reach the people who play your game than in the actual game.

This. You knocked it out of the park. Your idea surpasses mine and I give you a one up good sir! Im all for this. Reach the players in the game through this.

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

There are plenty of people to play with, if you are part of an inactive guild, then join an active one. This game is casual friendly which means players will come and go as long or as often as they’d like. Some will return, some may not.

Polls can easily be skewed by how they are worded or how they are perceived, the answer options or even the number of accounts a single person owns. Plus the cost of such polls may outweigh the benefits that Anet/NCSoft wants.

The current suggestion function on the forums works just fine. The companies can see the type of feedback here on the forums and choose to ignore/implement as they see fit.

Lynne.8416:

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

There are plenty of people to play with, if you are part of an inactive guild, then join an active one. This game is casual friendly which means players will come and go as long or as often as they’d like. Some will return, some may not.

Polls can easily be skewed by how they are worded or how they are perceived, the answer options or even the number of accounts a single person owns. Plus the cost of such polls may outweigh the benefits that Anet/NCSoft wants.

The current suggestion function on the forums works just fine. The companies can see the type of feedback here on the forums and choose to ignore/implement as they see fit.

It’s not that it doesn’t work, it just doesn’t reach all of the player base. Not everyone is on the forums 24/7. I like draknars idea of the in game survey. It reaches EVERYONE in the game. No ones left out and no ones voice is unheard.

If people of the player base express how they feel about the game and what they would like to see, this will give anet more of a “priority” list.

For example we all want new legendaries.
But we all want new maps.
Anet will better see this when voiced in the survey and can see what’s more important to implant.

TheFool.4589:

Lynne.8416:

TheFool.4589:

Everyone has suggestions, but why don’t you guys start a post and ask what the community wants to see in the game. Then take the most popular ideas and put it to a community vote, and lets see the most wanted feature to actually be worked on. You guys say you listen right? Then what better way then to take a vote to see what we really want rather working on things we don’t find fit at the current time. Post the votes on FB, put a reminder to “Go vote!” in the game mail boxes! You have more tools then these forums to find out what people want in the game.

I love guild wars 2. But I’m losing people to play with to WoW and other games cause there’s NOTHING else to do here. Help us help you. Just something I thought Id share.

There are plenty of people to play with, if you are part of an inactive guild, then join an active one. This game is casual friendly which means players will come and go as long or as often as they’d like. Some will return, some may not.

Polls can easily be skewed by how they are worded or how they are perceived, the answer options or even the number of accounts a single person owns. Plus the cost of such polls may outweigh the benefits that Anet/NCSoft wants.

The current suggestion function on the forums works just fine. The companies can see the type of feedback here on the forums and choose to ignore/implement as they see fit.

It’s not that it doesn’t work, it just doesn’t reach all of the player base. Not everyone is on the forums 24/7. I like draknars idea of the in game survey. It reaches EVERYONE in the game. No ones left out and no ones voice is unheard.

Yes, I agree that in game surveys are great, but usually only used for specific items…ie sent to players specifically in WvW about WvW content/fighting. Or, survey sent to people after completing a world boss on how they feel this event could be improved.

Ok so how about a monthly survey in game that talks about everything? Can we all agree on that?

I wouldn’t be opposed to a in game survey of some sort, however making a huge pop up would irritate me more then anything. Send a mail, with a link. Make it non intrusion and it will probably be much better recieved.

But thats what the CDIs are for. They gather player feedback on what they would like to see. The current one is about Guilds, and how to fix/change/add what is desired for guilds. This system apparently seems to work rather well, as many of the current changes were a direct result for past CDIs. Having a voting system as to what should or shouldn’t be fixed/changed/added would not be a very good idea. Who would determine the things that are voted on? Anet, or the players? So we have a vote to determine what gets to be voted on.

Either way, I think that having the players decide what gets to be put into the game would be disaterous. I read a quote, and posted it before, from the creator of pokemon. Basically he says, that if they were to add in everything the players wanted, the game would be an unplayable monstrosity. I agree the same thing would happen to this game if the players chose what and what not to add to this game.

See I have no idea what cdi is.

TheFool.4589:

See I have no idea what cadi is…

If you mean CDI, then this might be informative: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Collaborative-Development-Master-Sticky/first#post3383068

TheFool.4589:

Ok so how about a monthly survey in game that talks about everything? Can we all agree on that?

You’d have people complaining constantly about the “annoying surveys I get all the time”.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

TheFool.4589:

Ok so how about a monthly survey in game that talks about everything? Can we all agree on that?

You’d have people complaining constantly about the “annoying surveys I get all the time”.

Once a week after wvw isn’t going to kill people.

TheFool.4589:

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

TheFool.4589:

Ok so how about a monthly survey in game that talks about everything? Can we all agree on that?

You’d have people complaining constantly about the “annoying surveys I get all the time”.

Once a week after wvw isn’t going to kill people.

No, it won’t kill them. But that won’t stop them from complaining about the “frequent surveys” at the top of their lungs everywhere they get a chance to.

Welcome to the world of MMO’s.

Vayne.8563:

You say people who are against change are the enemies of games. I say more games probably die from devs listening to people than doing what they want.

Vayne, I thought you’d never admit it)))))

You mean, like NPE?
You mean like townclothes removal?
You mean like Queensdale?
You mean like the new “facebook” Trading Post?
You mean like every update ever?

Funny guy.

I thought you loved those things.

Those are all things people asked for. And so yes, you are right. “more games probably die from devs listening to people than doing what they want”

You are sadly very right.

Change is the enemy of comfort.
Change is the enemy of home.
(You are the enemy because you praise every invasive and intrusive change ever rolled out)

TheFool.4589:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TheFool.4589:

The whole idea is to get the one feature people want sooner. And yes if you are the 10% vs the 90% then I’m sorry? We get what we vote for. If the majority wants flying toilets then we’re getting flying toilets. Sorry.

No, no, don’t apologize if you’re not really sorry. You mean this proposition seriously, while I don’t think many would take it seriously or even think of it.

Then move on to the next thing we want and agree on. It’s not only getting what we want but this allows when we get them.

Don’t contradict yourself in the same post, that’s always going to look sketchy. You already admitted “we” aren’t going to get all the things “we” want, but one of “us” might if we voted “the right way”.

Democracy is not always the answer to making something better.

Then what is the answer? It’s the people that don’t want change that kill games.

You are asking me for an answer to a problem which has so many facets I’d have to use scientific notation to start keeping track. And I’ll note, I’m a end-user and not a programmer or a developer in any stretch of those two terms. I’m not qualified to make decisions of that level for everyone with the authoritative “this will fix everything” stance.

. . . to be honest, neither are you.

As for your last comment there about “the people who don’t want change kill games” . . . you’re right, and you’re wrong. See, there are two ways a game dies.

Type 1 – The game never changes, and it becomes a stagnant and ever-tightening clique of hardcore and devoted gamers who leave newcomers confused or distanced to the point there’s no more new players, The game slowly bleeds through attrition, and then one day you look around and nobody else is logging in. I have played MMOs which did this.

Type 2 – The game changes often, or even radically, in an effort to keep the population happy based on what the developers think is needed. Sometimes that is gleamed from listening to the players, and sometimes it’s just new content being shoveled out to try to appease people for another month. Despite all efforts, the constant changing winds turn veterans off and new players are uneasy about radical changes which may invalidate what they will put effort into. The game dies because people are too afraid to connect to a game which seems unable to decide what it is. I have, also, played MMOs and games under active development which do this.

Since you solicited my opinion, here it is:

The key isn’t to change for the sake of change, or to kowtow to the most vocal (or most “devoted”) of the players. It’s to change things when the change feels right, and add new things steadily rather than dumping them in all at once.

Do with it what you will. I have little more to say on this topic.

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

(You are the enemy because you praise every invasive and intrusive change ever rolled out)

He does not praise the Trait rework. Even I don’t praise the Trait rework, other than to go “interesting concept, bad execution”.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

(You are the enemy because you praise every invasive and intrusive change ever rolled out)

He does not praise the Trait rework. Even I don’t praise the Trait rework, other than to go “interesting concept, bad execution”.

Huh…
Then I am wrong in that regard.

TheFool.4589:

Draknar.5748:

Harper.4173:

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

On log in: big pop-up in the middle of your screen. You get a reward for filling out the survey. It will exclusively hit active players of all types. That’s how you do it. You don’t need facebook, you don’t need forums, neither of those are representative anyway. You need the players and where better to reach the people who play your game than in the actual game.

This. You knocked it out of the park. Your idea surpasses mine and I give you a one up good sir! Im all for this. Reach the players in the game through this.

You might think that’d be effective but actually you’re only targeting one active segment of the player base for a short amount of time. You’re not looking at future or returning players. Just the ones playing now – which is short sighted.

I’m willing to bet you that the majority of players now in game didn’t play at launch – and decisions that could have been made back then could have impacted whether these players ended up with the game or not.

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

Vayne.8563:

You say people who are against change are the enemies of games. I say more games probably die from devs listening to people than doing what they want.

Vayne, I thought you’d never admit it)))))

You mean, like NPE?
You mean like townclothes removal?
You mean like Queensdale?
You mean like the new “facebook” Trading Post?
You mean like every update ever?

Funny guy.

I thought you loved those things.

Those are all things people asked for. And so yes, you are right. “more games probably die from devs listening to people than doing what they want”

You are sadly very right.

Change is the enemy of comfort.
Change is the enemy of home.
(You are the enemy because you praise every invasive and intrusive change ever rolled out)

The NPE, over all, was a positive change for the game and I believe time will prove it. It will need adjustment. The trait system is not good for the game and I’ve been against it since I tried it…not before like some people.

The townclothes removal I was not “for” or “against”, however, I understood why it was done. It was badly designed from the outset (which I’ve also said before) and yes, I’d never ever buy an outfit to stand around in town. Not happening.

The new trading post is brilliant and more people, probably many more, like it than not.

There were plenty of people who hated the Queensdale champ train. I don’t believe it ever belonged in a starter area. It gave new players ideas about the game, without teaching them how to play the game as intended…and yes, there is a way Anet intended us to play the game. That’s part of why the NPE is long overdue.

But yeah, some people like this game and the updates. If you don’t, that’s okay. But don’t try to make it so one-sided. It’s really not.

The title of this thread made me think of a Xzibit Meme.