Guild Wars 2

Please stop making us Asura females wear male armour, its ugly and its offensive. You keep depriving of us the most beautiful things, like butterflies or the new Dwayna outfits lovely sweeping wings (instead we have wings coming out of our breasts like a stripper!) Meh.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, I no longer think Anet cares.

This is also a problem with female Charr.

Problem is, neither race has the sexual dimorphism of humans. With the way most female armor is designed in this game, there needs to be female human like breasts for them to work.

How is it offensive in the slightest? In any case I like it. The male armors looks way better on Asurans then the female ones would

I would like Anet rather to do something with those toes sticking or rather clipping out of most armors and outfits….

I don’t purchase and use majority of them and will not, because of that ugly detail.

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Tao.1234:

I would like Anet rather to do something with those toes sticking or rather clipping out of most armors and outfits….

I don’t purchase and use majority of them and will not, because of that ugly detail.

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Tails too, and paper bag helmets. at least on charr!

Sometimes the only way to tell difference is female have feminine eyelashes.

Fermi.2409:

How is it offensive in the slightest? In any case I like it. The male armors looks way better on Asurans then the female ones would

I 100% disagree. Some of the outfits were made to give the female charr and asura the female version and I think it worked fine and I like it that way better. More than anything, I think we deserve more options. Right now, for armor sets and not outfits, there are no options. You are forced to dress like a guy. I don’t care if charr and asura don’t have mammaries like the other races, they are still female. They should be allowed female clothing options if they want.

Tao.1234:

I would like Anet rather to do something with those toes sticking or rather clipping out of most armors and outfits….

I don’t purchase and use majority of them and will not, because of that ugly detail.

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I thought they where supposed to stick out? O.o

Also, Asuran armor is awesome.

Gibson.4036:

Problem is, neither race has the sexual dimorphism of humans. With the way most female armor is designed in this game, there needs to be female human like breasts for them to work.

This is incorrect both culturally and anatomically, Asura are live birth mammals complete with breasts according to the developers, and they actually use gender-specific pronouns and titles more than other races, such as geniusette. If anything clear and proper gender definitions may in fact be more important to them than other races, possibly because their gender isn’t as obvious at a glance. The ‘lacking gender dichotomy’ thing is something people have assumed and perpetuated since launch solely because of how Asura only have male armor, which in all likeliness has nothing to do with lore and is just the result of time and resource budgeting in the art department.

Conncept.7638:

This is incorrect both culturally and anatomically, Asura are live birth mammals complete with breasts according to the developers, and they actually use gender-specific pronouns more than other races, such as geniusette. If anything clear and proper gender definitions may in fact be more important to them than other races, possibly because their gender isn’t as obvious at a glance. The ‘lacking gender dichotomy’ thing is something people have assumed and perpetuated since launch solely because of how Asura only have male armor, with no real lore to back it up.

They may have mammary glands that produce milk, just like, one would assume, the Charr. That doesn’t mean they have breasts similar to a human female. You only have to look at the models to see that. My housecats are female mammals, but would still be unable to fill in the bustier/corset shapes of much of the female armor in this game.

And gender specific pronouns are a cultural artifact that has nothing to do with whether a species is sexually dimorphic.

Not to mention, it’s clear both races do have some sexual dimorphism. From their face shapes to Charr tails, there is differentiation between sexes. But they don’t have the sexual dimorphism of humans, which is what a lot of the game’s female armor is built around.

Scandi.5693:

Please stop making us Asura females wear male armour, its ugly and its offensive.

How’s it offensive? I am honestly interested in knowing how since I have no idea what so ever.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

This is also a problem with female Charr.

Well culturally Charr and Asura don’t have the same social gender norms as say humans. That is to say, no one’s going to shout at you if you hit a female Charr (probably because she could rip your head off but still).

Gibson.4036:

Problem is, neither race has the sexual dimorphism of humans. With the way most female armor is designed in this game, there needs to be female human like breasts for them to work.

This too, although Charr do demonstrate bodily sexual dimorphism with females being smaller and more sleek while the males tend to be large and bulky.

Conncept.7638:

and they actually use gender-specific pronouns and titles more than other races, such as geniusette. If anything clear and proper gender definitions may in fact be more important to them than other races, possibly because their gender isn’t as obvious at a glance.

Firstly that’s a feature of language. Unless you’re one of those womyn types… but frankly my language has ‘vrou’ for women and ‘man’ for man (pronounced slightly differently) and we similar westernised-cultural gender distinctions so I don’t think gender inherently flows to and from language.
In a culture that places an emphasis on intelligence (Asura) and combat ability (Charr) placing emphasis on gender distinction doesn’t inherently follow from that. Does being a female Asura mean you’re intellectually more or less capable than a male Asura? Does a female Charr fight differently than a male?

Gibson.4036:

Problem is, neither race has the sexual dimorphism of humans. With the way most female armor is designed in this game, there needs to be female human like breasts for them to work.

If they can make some of the clothing in the female style, there is no reason why all of the female clothing can’t be female style for these two races. It is nothing more than laziness. Breast have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Some dungeon armor has the same problem too, https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nightmare_Court_armor_%28light%29

Ralanost.8913:

I think we deserve more options.

Right now, for armor sets and not outfits, there are no options. You are forced to dress like a guy. I don’t care if charr and asura don’t have mammaries like the other races, they are still female. They should be allowed female clothing options if they want.

Oh, so you think you’re for some reason entitled to twice as many options as any other race then? In any case, there are plenty of options even within male armor.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

If they can make some of the clothing in the female style, there is no reason why all of the female clothing can’t be female style for these two races. It is nothing more than laziness. Breast have absolutely nothing to do with it.

See now, in that specific example, I actually LIKE that suit on the females. In fact, I’d like to have a strait-up suit like that available on Human/Norn/Sylvari females too.

Classy suits are awesome.

But on the note of the thread, in all fairness, Male Charr and Asura should occasionally get the FEMALE versions of the armor skins.

Fermi.2409:

Ralanost.8913:

I think we deserve more options.

Right now, for armor sets and not outfits, there are no options. You are forced to dress like a guy. I don’t care if charr and asura don’t have mammaries like the other races, they are still female. They should be allowed female clothing options if they want.

Oh, so you think you’re for some reason entitled to twice as many options as any other race then? In any case, there are plenty of options even within male armor.

So, do you think it’s ok for female Asuran and Charr to not have equal options as other races?

Fermi.2409:

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Oh, so you think you’re for some reason entitled to twice as many options as any other race then? In any case, there are plenty of options even within male armor.

Pardon..what? We dont think such things. Where are you pulling that? We would like to have the same options as every other race, from time to time. My goodness, is that so hard to understand? I was excited for the light armor carapace set, till i realized i didnt get the butterfly shoulders on my charr. Havent got it since. All i play is Charr, i dont use 75% of the armor in game because of how crappy they model it on charr, and then they reduce my choices even further by limiting it(most) of the armor models to the male not a TRUE unisex option. If i have to, ill post pictures of my all light armor characters(IE half of my Charrs), they all use the same pants because its one of the few that lacks tail clipping, and is dress like, but at the same time does not look male or female, but a combination of the two.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

So, do you think it’s ok for female Asuran and Charr to not have equal options as other races?

You, thank you for stating what i was going for but in way less words.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

So, do you think it’s ok for female Asuran and Charr to not have equal options as other races?

They have just as many options as any other race, though. By demanding that they be able to use female-modeled armor as well you’re actually asking for female Asurans/Charr to be put above the other races and have more options then them.

Dante.1763:

Pardon..what? We dont think such things.

When you’re rambling about how you deserve something it sounds pretty entitled to me.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

So, do you think it’s ok for female Asuran and Charr to not have equal options as other races?

They do have equal options: one variant per skin.

While an asura or charr female gets “stuck” with a suit instead of a dress, the other three races’ females get “stuck” with a dress when they might want a suit. It’s the same with male characters.

ANet can either alternate between the fe/male variations on a per skin basis for those two races’ females like they currently do, give only those two races’ females two variants of each skin, or make two versions of each skin for both sexes of all races (which is notably more work, which will then likely result in less skins overall.)

This is also disregarding the fact that asura and charr females aren’t even meant to be wearing dresses and such according to the lore. They are currently “dressing like females”, just not like human females, because they’re not human. The default armour skins use the intended unisex variants, it’s only with the addition of outfits (and some of the new female charr faces) that some were made to pander to the people who want more cutesy charr and asura.

Fermi.2409:

Dante.1763:

Pardon..what? We dont think such things.

When you’re rambling about how you deserve something it sounds pretty entitled to me.

no see, i meant the part about twice as many options, thats what i meant, where are you pulling the twice as many? if they gave female armor to female charr it would fit every other race in terms of choices. (but enough about that, its silly!)

And yes Charr and Asura should be entitled to have nice looking armor that actually fits their bodys and doesnt clip(I dont care to much about the gender thing right now, they have recently started putting more female armor on female charr and asura(Outfits too) and as long as they keep that up i will be happy, a good 50/50 mix of male and female armor would be perfect.) regardless of gender.

Tail clipping should not be a thing. Paper bag helmets should not be a thing. Toe Clipping should not be a thing. None of the clipping issues that plague these two races, and these two races alone should be a thing. Thats what they need to fix first IMO as they put in a beast race(focusing on the charr mostly, i dont play asura, to small!!), but seldom make armor fit for them.

Honestly both of these races would benefit from a true unisex(Male is not unisex.) armor and outfit appearance, i know its more costly for them to do so, that should be obvious to everyone because of the extra time it would take. But still, you have two races in game appearance wise that do not suit the rest of the races, and stretching armor to fit them, instead of actually making armor to fit them is not fair to players of those two races. Sylvari, Norn, and Humans all share basically the same skeleton and have far far fewer clipping issues than Charr and Asura. Oh and floating shoulders, floating shoulders are annoying too.

i truly think these threads wouldnt pop up if they made armor that was designed for Charr and Asura. I know i wouldnt care at all about male or female appearance if they did such a thing. But, thats just me.

These threads are popping up as often as give us mount threads....

I have to agree with the OP really. Some of the male outfits look just adorable on my female chars… but I really, really wanted my kittening butterflies, WHERE ARE MY BUTTERFLIES

I like that charr and asura don’t get the girly dresses. Asura can look ok with some variations, but mostly not. Charr in dresses… just… wrong… in my eyes anyway.

So yeah.. I am quite happy with how they are done, with armors… some outfits are bad, regardless of being feminine or not.

Perhaps a dress/suit toggle would be an excellent feature to resolve this issue. That way the OP’s delightful female asura could enjoy their butterflies when she wanted to, and would have the bonus of allowing burly male norn of getting in touch with their feminine side!

Edit: I noticed a while back that on Charr at least which gender outfit is applied is sometimes arbitrary. On one set you might get the male while another the female. No explanation, same character gets different gendered outfits.

Fermi.2409:

Fiddlestyx.9714:

So, do you think it’s ok for female Asuran and Charr to not have equal options as other races?

They have just as many options as any other race, though. By demanding that they be able to use female-modeled armor as well you’re actually asking for female Asurans/Charr to be put above the other races and have more options then them.

No, they don’t. Everyone chooses the gender armor they wear at the character creation screen. That choice is made when you select a gender. Everyone has this choice EXCEPT female Asuran and Charr. We are thrown random scraps and are made to feel like Anet couldn’t care less about us.

I am not asking for them to use female armor AS WELL as male. I am asking for female to wear female and male to wear male. However, since the problem has been around since launch, they can’t just take away male armor from female characters that like it. So, anyone that has received the armor before a change is made, should have a one time option to chose which style their existing armor gets. After that, male=male female=female. This too will cause problems though because other races will complain that they didn’t get that option.

cadmiumgreen.8712:

Perhaps a dress/suit toggle would be an excellent feature to resolve this issue. That way the OP’s delightful female asura could enjoy their butterflies when she wanted to, and would have the bonus of allowing burly male norn of getting in touch with their feminine side!

Or they could do this.

But they won’t, people have been talking about this since launch and Anet has remained silent (ignored us). I doubt it will ever change.

Female Asura and Charr having the same “male” (correct term: unisex) variation of an armour is in no way offensive, nor ugly. If anything it’s less offensive because both male and female get just as good looking armour.

I don’t have an Asura character, but I’m glad the female Charr are allowed to wear the same armour as the males because it means when I see something I like while I’m playing my male Charr, I have full confidence it will look just as good when I put it on my female Charr. Not to mention female Charr fufill the same roles as male Charr in Charr society and therefore would need the same equipment to do said tasks.

It IS offensive to the players, not because they are “unisex” (Which they are by default, not by design: they are adapted MALE armours) but because they are the only option.
Why humans and norn have more options than Charr or Asura?
Being a little more bold: Why the XX%%&& the clothes are gender-fixed in the first place?
IMO both males and females should be able to use feminine, masculine and unisex clothes, and mix them as the player please.

Ardid.7203:

Why humans and norn have more options than Charr or Asura?

In the case of the DayDreamer’s Finery I’m going to assume that both genders of Charr using the male version means that it’s cannon that Charr invite tummy rubs, unlike real cats.

Most of the armor skins look also a bit off on Norn female characters, even if they are made for females… it is like they are worked on Humans and then they just put it on on other races without remaking how they fit. Look at Daydreamer armor, it looks so ugly and weird on Norn.

cadmiumgreen.8712:

Ardid.7203:

Why humans and norn have more options than Charr or Asura?

In the case of the DayDreamer’s Finery I’m going to assume that both genders of Charr using the male version means that it’s cannon that Charr invite tummy rubs, unlike real cats.

Yeah, look at that Outfit. She’s asking for it.

(Edit: Oh kitten, I totally didn’t mean it like that. Disregard!)

honestly i wouldn’t mind if i could chose female outfit for my male character too, especially dwayna, the all point of the outfit was to be like the avatar of the goddess (does balthazar regalia look different on women?) instead we had this bulky outfit way worst than the female counterpart. if shun of saint seya can be andromeda, than i can be dwayna

Ardid.7203:

IMO both males and females should be able to use feminine, masculine and unisex clothes, and mix them as the player please.

I’m imagining the possible clipping issues. 8O

Rauderi.8706:

Yeah, look at that Outfit. She’s asking for it.

(Edit: Oh kitten, I totally didn’t mean it like that. Disregard!)

You mean consensual tummy rubs between adults, followed by a rousing round of chasing the laser pointer.

Which only makes it more awkward if asura ladies also have the male version of the outfit. The torso window is kind of funny on charr (exposed bellies on a warlike race?), but that would dip a bit into the realm of creepy on asura.

cadmiumgreen.8712:

You mean consensual tummy rubs between adults, followed by a rousing round of chasing the laser pointer.

And finished off with a mutual tongue bath and anal gland sniff?

Dante.1763:

And yes Charr and Asura should be entitled to have nice looking armor that actually fits their bodys and doesnt clip

You do realize that male and female Asurans have (basically) identical bodies, right? They do have “armor that actually fits their bodies”.

I agree on the clipping though, it can be pretty annoying

Please Please PLEASE, change this… if I’m rolling a female charr or Asura, I want them to ‘look’ female. not just like smaller males. its not about cultural norms or lore, or similar body shapes, its about wanting to visually look like a female. I realise that it may not be high priority on the list, but there’s enough people asking about it to at least be acknowledged. even one of the new skins (noble outfit) and the pirate outfit, my asura and char are both wearing male suits on the noble, and the male version of the outfit for the pirate. and before people say “but theres dresses on some of the outfits for them” I don’t want a charr warrior running around in a skimpy dress that looks like a caster outfit, I want a charr warrior running around in feminine versions of the heavy armor, like the humans and norns and sylvari get.

as for the carapace armor.. my charr warrior demands butterflies!!!! she likes butterflies…

Nah, let’s not.

I like my Asura chicka’s sweet as hell greatcoat.