Guild Wars 2

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Rits plz.

kthx

I do love that swinging scythe! I also love the ritualist animations. I think Dervish and Ritualist had the most beautiful and entertaining battle animations of any other class. Ritualist tossing auto-attack with a staff was fun times.

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

No Walking.6349:

The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game

What exactly about Dervish playstyle is not already covered? Or are you simply referencing the visual style of robe-wearing, scythe-wielding magical melee fighters? Visual style alone is not sufficient to create a whole new class.

Xenon.4537:

No Walking.6349:

The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game

What exactly about Dervish playstyle is not already covered? Or are you simply referencing the visual style of robe-wearing, scythe-wielding magical melee fighters? Visual style alone is not sufficient to create a whole new class.

My main in GW1 was Dervish, I know the playstyle well. Building up enchantments, then removing them to cause damage and effects. Evoking power of the gods (or alchemy elements) to help in battle. This isn’t already covered by any other class in GW2.

No Walking.6349:

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

True but I’d say Derv condition spam and AoE is pretty much covered by every class. I just like the aesthetic of spirits. Another melee “wack wack!!” class…not so much.

In saying I’d love to see any new class. Derv included. I’d be stoked. Loved their armor and the scythes.

No Walking.6349:

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Guardians have similar playstyle to Dervishes so that role is also covered.
A Dervish had to rely on loads of enchantments to be effective and Guardians rely a lot on boons to be effective so they are very similar

maddoctor.2738:

No Walking.6349:

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Guardians have similar playstyle to Dervishes so that role is also covered.
A Dervish had to rely on loads of enchantments to be effective and Guardians rely a lot on boons to be effective so they are very similar

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

Dervish seem unlikely given their lore, and would likely be limited to humans if they ever were added into the game.

If they were to add a new class, my vote would be an Aspect Master (Zephyrites who use wind, sun, and lightning power from those crystals).

Bri.8354:

Dervish seem unlikely given their lore, and would likely be limited to humans if they ever were added into the game.

If they were to add a new class, my vote would be an Aspect Master (Zephyrites who use wind, sun, and lightning power from those crystals).

Did you read my post?

i want Paragon support heavy range class

If I had to come up with a way to bring back the Dervish, it would be through an expansion into Elona. The Elonians would bring us teachings of earth and wind prayers and mysticism. The class would operate by providing a lot of boons similar to the guardian. However many of his utility and weapon skills would consume boons for bonus effects. The class would be a lot like a Necromancer, only instead of redirecting conditions, he consumes his own boons for spike damage, healing, and other effects. He would be able to change certain boons into other ones too. For example he could turn protection into stability, or retaliation into might.

The problem I see with this class would be that he would be overpowered in groups where he has access to lots of shared boons. However alone, he would be extremely weak unless he can generate enough of his own boons. But maybe that’s the niche of the Dervish in the GW2 meta. I just fear that it would be too much like a guardian.

No Walking.6349:

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

Totally agree and I loved this play-style as well but I can’t see how they could work it into GW2’s limited build structure. Condition spam is covered by just about…everyone and Guardians often “burn” their virtues in a similar manner, to attain the buffs the after-cast brings.

It seems pretty much covered.

Still voting Rits :P

No Walking.6349:

maddoctor.2738:

No Walking.6349:

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Guardians have similar playstyle to Dervishes so that role is also covered.
A Dervish had to rely on loads of enchantments to be effective and Guardians rely a lot on boons to be effective so they are very similar

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

Well Virtues work in a similar way, you have them on to buff you, then you remove them by activating them for an additional effect (and wait for their CD to reapply them).

The only thing really missing from Dervishes are the Transform skills (Avatars)

No Walking.6349:

Bri.8354:

Dervish seem unlikely given their lore, and would likely be limited to humans if they ever were added into the game.

If they were to add a new class, my vote would be an Aspect Master (Zephyrites who use wind, sun, and lightning power from those crystals).

Did you read my post?

If they were to add it to the game, it would need to have a design that fits in with all races. Eternal alchemy works fine for asura but doesn’t make much sense with other races.

There might also be lore preventing the use of eternal alchemy. Firstly, how would you? The asura had a hard enough time building a device just to look into it, and a way to utilize it would be far more complex than that. Secondly, the bloodstones limit how many types of magic an individual can use, so the character cannot use the eternal alchemy naturally.

Dervish won’t work for any race but humans.

If they retcon the lore that much to make it work I’m done.

I think the new class would revolve around the new mechanics they keep taunting us with on the various npcs we keep seeing in living story modifiyed for normal gameplay.

So it could be a zephyrite. We have seen unarmed combat from the lightening master, the wind master has some new skills aswell. Idk stuff that they do.

Trouble would be how to make it different from a elementalist with different elemental spells. But the zepherites people have a good excuse to give it to players lorewise I think when everythings done.

I’d rather they think of a completely new profession, rather than retool an old GW1 class. The Engineer is incredibly interesting, partly because they had to freedom to think of something new.

I’m hoping for a third soldier profession personally. One that is a jack of all trades, but master of none. Would be interesting to have a profession that is all about adaptability but when selecting a certain adaptation, you’d be forced to suffer an opposing weakness to even things out. An adaptation could be in the form of a bonus to a specific attribute/stat or a ability the embodies an attribute, with the weakness being a penalty to an appropriate opposing attribute. For example, Power and Toughness could be opposing attributes. While extending Boon Duration for yourself may result in an extension to the duration of Conditions inflicted upon you. In battle the profession could shift it’s adaptation depending on the type of enemy it faces. Increased strength may make it easier to take down a Scholar profession, while increased defence may make it easier to survive a Soldier profession.

Adaptations would be similar to the Necromancer’s set of Corruption skills but focused on broader things than just conditions or boons and switched in the UI like the Elementalist’s attunements. They’d be a cool down to switching adaptations, so it would be risky to be too pre-emptive in switching. If this hypothetical profession had a name it would be something like the Barbarian, Berserker or Shaman. Something that conveys that this is a profession that lacks the discipline of the Warrior or Guardian and is more of a wildcard in battle. And the adaptations would be represented with the generalised anatomy of wild animals, like a claw for the strength adaptation, a wing for the speed/evasion adaptation, animal skull for the defence adaptation, etc…

The above is just a quick example of what I look for in a profession. I like a unique system to their skills (like Mesmer’s clones, or Engineer’s Kits) and something that could be generalised or justified across the races. Profession based lore doesn’t interest me all that much and in the spirit GW2, it can overcomplicate things. Especially when the existing professions coexist quite nicely. The Dervish on the otherhand is too lore heavy for what already exists but I admit could be stripped back… but then it would become something entirely.

I think the last thing we will ever see from future content is new player classes (and I could be totally wrong).

I think the Dev team learned a lesson with the introduction of new classes with GW1 and that situation will not be repeated.

maddoctor.2738:

No Walking.6349:

maddoctor.2738:

No Walking.6349:

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Guardians have similar playstyle to Dervishes so that role is also covered.
A Dervish had to rely on loads of enchantments to be effective and Guardians rely a lot on boons to be effective so they are very similar

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

Well Virtues work in a similar way, you have them on to buff you, then you remove them by activating them for an additional effect (and wait for their CD to reapply them).

The only thing really missing from Dervishes are the Transform skills (Avatars)

There are Avatar of Melandru and Reaper of Grenth human racial skills. They have somewhat diffferent visuals (vey minimalistic in case of Reaper, non-humaniform in case of Melandru) but they perform similar function.

While I would love to see dervish (and/or ritualist) brought into GW2, it won’t happen. <3 my dervish.

I would love to see dervish in game.People compare it with guardian but NO.As much as dervish is FUN for me,that much guardian is BORING.

Dervish was an awesome class; however, to use the argument that they gave up on the gods for something else won’t really work. You will then have players demanding monks and ritualists to be brought back under the same reason.

Ideally, I believe the next class will be a dark heavy class.

Medium we have:
Light = Ranger
Neutral = Engineer
Dark = Thief

Light we have:
Light = Ele
Neutral = Mesmer
Dark = Necromancer

Heavy we have:
Light – Guardian
Nuetral = Warrior
Dark = ?

Maybe a blood paladin? Dark Knight? Death Knight? Defiler? Dread Knight?

I own an ele and feel it pretty dark. lol

Valento.9852:

I own an ele and feel it pretty dark. lol

Eh :P
I have it listed under light mostly because of Water & Earth
Air is sort of in the middle. I guess you can sort of red-rover it to neutral o.O

Necro takes the cake though for dark

Wolfey.3407:

Valento.9852:

I own an ele and feel it pretty dark. lol

Eh :P
I have it listed under light mostly because of Water & Earth
Air is sort of in the middle. I guess you can sort of red-rover it to neutral o.O

Necro takes the cake though for dark

Because I’m a baddie sometimes. Just… sometimes. :X

Devildoc.6721:

Dervish won’t work for any race but humans.

If they retcon the lore that much to make it work I’m done.

The only thing that makes a Dervish a Dervish as far as lore goes, is they are in tune with the earth and air in a magical way. It’s just a form of elementalism mixed with holy magic. The same reason other races can be Rangers, Guardians or Elementalists lets them also be Dervish.

Xenon.4537:

Devildoc.6721:

Dervish won’t work for any race but humans.

If they retcon the lore that much to make it work I’m done.

The only thing that makes a Dervish a Dervish as far as lore goes, is they are in tune with the earth and air in a magical way. It’s just a form of elementalism mixed with holy magic. The same reason other races can be Rangers, Guardians or Elementalists lets them also be Dervish.

GW1 Skills:
Avatar of Balthazar
Avatar of Dwayna
Avatar of Grenth
Avatar of Lyssa
Avatar of Melandru
Balthazar’s Rage
Dwayna’s Touch
Grenth’s Aura
Grenth’s Fingers
Grenth’s Grasp
Heart of Holy Flame (balthazar icon)
Lyssa’s Assault
Lyssa’s Haste

"
The Dervish’s attire is a testament to the dual nature of the Dervish as both priest and warrior. Followers of this profession wear a robe to show their faith in the divine, bracers to demonstrate their prowess in combat, and a hood to mark their humility before the gods. This garb provides limited armor, but the Dervish is shielded in battle by their agility and by the Enchantments that they cast upon themselves. These Enchantments make them resistant to injury, allow them to turn aside the attacks of their foes, and lend elemental power to their attacks.

Because the broad sweep of a swinging scythe can strike multiple foes at once, the Dervish seeks the very heart of a battle, calmly and intently casting spells on themselves even while surrounded by foes, then suddenly unleashing a flurry of devastating, whirling scythe attacks.

Among the Dervish’s most precious secrets is that of transformation. The Dervish, when roused, may channel divine powers and change their form temporarily to become the physical embodiment of a god.

There is no established church or school for Dervishes in Elona. Instead, a master passes down their secrets and philosophies to a single pupil at a time. Even after that pupil has set out into the world to follow their own path, it may be some years before a master takes a new pupil."

“A Dervish is a Sufi Muslim ascetic. A whirling dervish is a mystical dancer who stands between the material and cosmic worlds. The term has become a figure of speech used in reference to one who exhibits vigorous energy.”

@Wolfey.3407

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc. Just because they have avatars means nothing. The human gods are clearly linked to the eternal alchemy anyway. It’s all part of one great thing. That’s the whole point of the living story so far; the eternal alchemy, the dragons, the gods, etc are all linked.

I played a dervish too and I played GW1 for 5 years. You don’t need to throw wiki copy/pasta at me, thanks.

Xenon.4537:

@Wolfey.3407

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc. Just because they have avatars means nothing. The human gods are clearly linked to the eternal alchemy anyway. It’s all part of one great thing. That’s the whole point of the living story so far; the eternal alchemy, the dragons, the gods, etc are all linked.

I played a dervish too and I played GW1 for 5 years. You don’t need to throw wiki copy/pasta at me, thanks.

Kk be right back, putting on a head dress and buying a bow, I’m going to be a Seminole Chief even though im white., but hey I live in Florida so I know what the seminole tribe is at least. I just made the same exact point that you just did, don’t you dare scream racism.

No Walking.6349:

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

erm no, not even close.
engi’s are more a different sub class, rit’s buff allies, heals allies, supports allies and does massive damage.
engi’s however are more the stationary attackers with self made backup, that’s about it.
they are children in terms of DMG compare to a rit, not to mention how well rits are made to have total CC throughout the whole battle field, something the engi can only dream of having.

maybe they seem the same because they can make turrets but they are miles apart from even imitating rit’s.

Wolfey.3407:

Xenon.4537:

@Wolfey.3407

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc. Just because they have avatars means nothing. The human gods are clearly linked to the eternal alchemy anyway. It’s all part of one great thing. That’s the whole point of the living story so far; the eternal alchemy, the dragons, the gods, etc are all linked.

I played a dervish too and I played GW1 for 5 years. You don’t need to throw wiki copy/pasta at me, thanks.

Kk be right back, putting on a head dress and buying a bow, I’m going to be a Seminole Chief even though im white., but hey I live in Florida so I know what the seminole tribe is at least. I just made the same exact point that you just did, don’t you dare scream racism.

Are you suggesting that it’s impossible for a white person to learn about Native American culture? What does that have to do with guild wars 2?

sorudo.9054:

No Walking.6349:

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

erm no, not even close.
engi’s are more a different sub class, rit’s buff allies, heals allies, supports allies and does massive damage.
engi’s however are more the stationary attackers with self made backup, that’s about it.
they are children in terms of DMG compare to a rit, not to mention how well rits are made to have total CC throughout the whole battle field, something the engi can only dream of having.

maybe they seem the same because they can make turrets but they are miles apart from even imitating rit’s.

Are you playing the same engineer class I am? Because my engie can do all those things…

Xenon.4537:

Wolfey.3407:

Xenon.4537:

@Wolfey.3407

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc. Just because they have avatars means nothing. The human gods are clearly linked to the eternal alchemy anyway. It’s all part of one great thing. That’s the whole point of the living story so far; the eternal alchemy, the dragons, the gods, etc are all linked.

I played a dervish too and I played GW1 for 5 years. You don’t need to throw wiki copy/pasta at me, thanks.

Kk be right back, putting on a head dress and buying a bow, I’m going to be a Seminole Chief even though im white., but hey I live in Florida so I know what the seminole tribe is at least. I just made the same exact point that you just did, don’t you dare scream racism.

Are you suggesting that it’s impossible for a white person to learn about Native American culture? What does that have to do with guild wars 2?

Hmm? Are you so highly offended that I showed something from Guild Wars 1 that you missed the comparison completely?

I’ll break it down for you If you get confused let me know and I’ll put it in spanish or french for you ^-^

Dervish: HOLY WARRIOR Very Spiritual People.
They Believe in the HUMAN GODS their outfits are in dedication to the HUMAN GODS.

The Seminole tribes wardrobe is done on a spiritual level, each feather, bead, hide means something to them spiritually.

Just as it would be offensive for an Asura who does not believe in the human gods to wear a traditional HUMAN DERVISH OUTFIT, it would be offensive for me to wear Seminole Chiefs Outfit,

I don’t believe in their religion, I believe in a higher power which is all that we really have in common spiritually.

With your logic that other races can wear a Holy Classes Outfit because they have a common ground that they believe in a higher power (O WAIT CHARRS DONT BELIEVE IN GODS OR A HIGHER POWER BUT THEIR LEADERS) I digress, back on topic, with your logic that other races can wear and desecrate the principals and morals of a class based on a common conception, you are saying it is fully ok for me to dress as a Seminole Chief and partake in their rituals as their spiritual leader.

After all, I read a book by a Seminole chief which would be the same as your comparison of a human teaching an Asura or CHARR.

Go a step further, this will probably have you lost and confuse so try and catch up,

Lets say an atheist learns about Catholicism from a Priest, does that by virtue of him learning Catholicism from a priest give that atheist the right to dress up as a priest and preach Catholicism even though he doesn’t believe in their foundations?

Xenon.4537:

sorudo.9054:

No Walking.6349:

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

erm no, not even close.
engi’s are more a different sub class, rit’s buff allies, heals allies, supports allies and does massive damage.
engi’s however are more the stationary attackers with self made backup, that’s about it.
they are children in terms of DMG compare to a rit, not to mention how well rits are made to have total CC throughout the whole battle field, something the engi can only dream of having.

maybe they seem the same because they can make turrets but they are miles apart from even imitating rit’s.

Are you playing the same engineer class I am? Because my engie can do all those things…

so they can buff the weapons of other characters, heal from a distance, do massive damage (equal to that if an ele), it’s able to support allies, enhance condition effects?
i am a GW veteran, i know the difference….

sorudo.9054:

Xenon.4537:

sorudo.9054:

No Walking.6349:

fireflyry.7023:

Rits plz.

kthx

The role of Rits is pretty covered by Engis. Almost exactly.

erm no, not even close.
engi’s are more a different sub class, rit’s buff allies, heals allies, supports allies and does massive damage.
engi’s however are more the stationary attackers with self made backup, that’s about it.
they are children in terms of DMG compare to a rit, not to mention how well rits are made to have total CC throughout the whole battle field, something the engi can only dream of having.

maybe they seem the same because they can make turrets but they are miles apart from even imitating rit’s.

Are you playing the same engineer class I am? Because my engie can do all those things…

so they can buff the weapons of other characters, heal from a distance, do massive damage (equal to that if an ele), it’s able to support allies, enhance condition effects?
i am a GW veteran, i know the difference….

Engies can share buffs by throwing elixirs and deploying traited turrets. It’s not the same as weapon spells, granted, but this is GW2 not GW1. The mechanics are quite different. Engies can also support allies with combo fields, supply drop, and thrown elixirs. Engineers are extremely powerful condition dealers, so idk where you got that from. And have you ever used an HGH or Static Discharge build? Engies can deal a kitten-load of epic damage…

Personally I’d rather see the Ritualist. I thought they were a crazy fun class, but as it is now the mages dominate class choices so I’d be glad to see another heavy armor type to bring the spread to 3 all around.

Wolfey.3407:

Xenon.4537:

Wolfey.3407:

Xenon.4537:

@Wolfey.3407

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc. Just because they have avatars means nothing. The human gods are clearly linked to the eternal alchemy anyway. It’s all part of one great thing. That’s the whole point of the living story so far; the eternal alchemy, the dragons, the gods, etc are all linked.

I played a dervish too and I played GW1 for 5 years. You don’t need to throw wiki copy/pasta at me, thanks.

Kk be right back, putting on a head dress and buying a bow, I’m going to be a Seminole Chief even though im white., but hey I live in Florida so I know what the seminole tribe is at least. I just made the same exact point that you just did, don’t you dare scream racism.

Are you suggesting that it’s impossible for a white person to learn about Native American culture? What does that have to do with guild wars 2?

Hmm? Are you so highly offended that I showed something from Guild Wars 1 that you missed the comparison completely?

I’ll break it down for you If you get confused let me know and I’ll put it in spanish or french for you ^-^

Dervish: HOLY WARRIOR Very Spiritual People.
They Believe in the HUMAN GODS their outfits are in dedication to the HUMAN GODS.

The Seminole tribes wardrobe is done on a spiritual level, each feather, bead, hide means something to them spiritually.

Just as it would be offensive for an Asura who does not believe in the human gods to wear a traditional HUMAN DERVISH OUTFIT, it would be offensive for me to wear Seminole Chiefs Outfit,

I don’t believe in their religion, I believe in a higher power which is all that we really have in common spiritually.

With your logic that other races can wear a Holy Classes Outfit because they have a common ground that they believe in a higher power (O WAIT CHARRS DONT BELIEVE IN GODS OR A HIGHER POWER BUT THEIR LEADERS) I digress, back on topic, with your logic that other races can wear and desecrate the principals and morals of a class based on a common conception, you are saying it is fully ok for me to dress as a Seminole Chief and partake in their rituals as their spiritual leader.

After all, I read a book by a Seminole chief which would be the same as your comparison of a human teaching an Asura or CHARR.

Go a step further, this will probably have you lost and confuse so try and catch up,

Lets say an atheist learns about Catholicism from a Priest, does that by virtue of him learning Catholicism from a priest give that atheist the right to dress up as a priest and preach Catholicism even though he doesn’t believe in their foundations?

You seem to be the one who is offended by the notion that an asura could learn to be a dervish. Who is the racist here? Real-world bigotry has nothing to do with this video game. If you think the game should be limited by real-world bigotry… I just… I don’t even. There is nothing in-game that prevents a human priest from teaching another race how to be a dervish.

By the way, if you watch any shows like The Atheist Experience, you will find out a lot of atheists know more about the bible than actual christians. In fact, one of the quickest ways to become an atheist is to read the bible.

I’m not going to entertain any further religious debates with you. Such topics are inflammatory and serve no constructive purpose. I’m open to discussion about anything within the context of the game itself.

No Walking.6349:

maddoctor.2738:

No Walking.6349:

I think Dervish will be the next class to be released. I personally feel the lore can be made to work, but if you don’t think that way, then at least a dervish equivalent (perhaps calling upon the powers of the eternal alchemy with further study of the dragons instead of the human gods) will be what is next.

Maybe Taimi in her studies of the visions and Scarlet’s notes will find a way to harness that power into a dervish-type class. Instead of turning into avatars of the human gods, we’ll turn into avatars of the 6 elements of the eternal alchemy! Considering all the dragon drama going on, I feel this is a perfect fit.

All the other classes from GW1 have their roles filled. Assassins are Thieves, Ritualists are Engineers, Paragons are Guardians, Monks are everyone, but primarily Eles and Guards. The play-style of Dervishes is the only play-style not already covered by something in the game, so I feel that they (or their lore-friendly equivalent) will be the next class.

Thoughts?

Guardians have similar playstyle to Dervishes so that role is also covered.
A Dervish had to rely on loads of enchantments to be effective and Guardians rely a lot on boons to be effective so they are very similar

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

Unfortunately the general nature of boons within the game system would make the playstyle you want a nightmare to balance around. Either any boon would be available for fuel meaning some groups would turn the dervish into a damage bomb, or they are unique mechanics and there is backlash from the general community as there are currently existing mechanic that need attention from those very people who would be nearly (if done right) only working one the new mechanics. Lastly there would be issue of power creep as the new profession would benefit from the time the development teams have had learning what works and what doesn’t and any new additions could be at a higher place of effectiveness (from nothing else other than there would not have been too many differing ‘views’/design philosophy for the profession to be filtered through)

Wolfey.3407:

Dervish was an awesome class; however, to use the argument that they gave up on the gods for something else won’t really work. You will then have players demanding monks and ritualists to be brought back under the same reason.

Ideally, I believe the next class will be a dark heavy class.

Medium we have:
Light = Ranger
Neutral = Engineer
Dark = Thief

Light we have:
Light = Ele
Neutral = Mesmer
Dark = Necromancer

Heavy we have:
Light – Guardian
Nuetral = Warrior
Dark = ?

Maybe a blood paladin? Dark Knight? Death Knight? Defiler? Dread Knight?

It’d be nice to have a 3rd heavy class yeah, but I don’t know if Arenanet ever went around the designs of the classes based on any light/neutral/dark thing.. I mean, most the professions are just from GW1 with a few adaptations. Warrior, Ele, Mesmer, Necro, Ranger are just straight GW1 classes, Thief is just renamed Assassin because of the stealing mechanic, Guardian is taking elements of paragon, monk, ritualist, and they stole wards from Eles (not sure how Guardian has any dervish mechanics, I can’t think of any because enchants were removed from the game pretty much)

Dervish is the one GW1 prof that has absolutely NO representation whatsoever in GW2, but then again, Dervish got powers directly from the Human gods and they are AWOL.

No Walking.6349:

Guards don’t rely on removing those boons to be effective though. Dervishes would stack enchants, burn their usefulness, and then remove them to cause other effects. This is unlike anything we have in GW2 right now.

This is true but what you are missing here is that you’re simply asking for a class that melds toolsets of classes that already exist. This isn’t new stuff, it’s just repacked content. The archetypes relevant to GW2 are already covered in one way or another. Start adding classes and it would be easy to accuse Anet of repacking content. Of course … we don’t really pay for that content so it wouldn’t be that sinful or abhorrent but I don’t think it would fool very many players into thinking they were doing something new and cool either. It’s a little empty.

Dervish is filled by Guardians. That’s what virtues are… stripping boons to provide a burst effect. (Granted, Dervish enchantments >>>>>>>>> virtues)

Also, the Engineer is already the Ritualist. Even Bomb Kit is reflective off of Ritualist skills (as it is a reference to Destructive was Glaive bombing, down to the armor penetration/vulnerability effect.)

That all said, lore-wise, I would like to see a renaissance of the Ritualist motif in the form of a Necromancer.

Xenon.4537:

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc.

Of course. On the other hand, those “techniques” are prayers. Learning them would let you to call up on human gods, but the gods would still need to answer. And i really doubt they would answer those prayers for beings that didn’t worship them.
It’s not even sure dervishes can still exist since gods have completely withdrawn and stopped responding to their believers, but at least human racial skills show, that some prayers are still answered. To humans. Not to Asura, Norn or Sylvari. And most certainly not to Charr.

(of course, the magic went through such retcon in GW2 that some elements of the lore do not even have sense anymore, especially in Charr history, so mangling it even more to introduce Dervishes would be okay, i guess)

One thing that worries me about adding a new profession is that the ones currently existing have different spheres of influence.

Guardian – Holy/Divinity/Protection
Engineer – Machinery/Alchemy
Ranger – Nature/Spirits
Warrior – Adrenaline/Warfare
Thief – Agility/Shadows
Necromancer – Darkness/Astral/Death
Mesmer – Illusions/Psychic/Dimensions
Elementalist – 4 Classical Elements/Weather

The Dervish and Paragon have a sphere of influence akin to Holy and Divinity which are exclusive to the Guardian currently. While the Ritualist is too similar to the Necromancer is their relation to death and mysticism, you could make a Necromancer build that invokes the lore of the Ritualist. I admit it’s not the same but it’s possible.

A 9th profession would have to carve out its’ own niche, its’ own sphere of influence that doesn’t overlap with the divisions already put in place between the professions. Hard to say what that would be since the professions are currently so evenly spread out. Possible to do a mashup, where a profession takes individual spheres for other professions but I think that could disrupt the balance.

Probably best if the current professions were expanded upon instead. For example, Rangers could be given some more Druid based magic or could be given some Bard songs. Mesmers could be given some Chronomancer type skills which they already vaguely touch upon with Time Warp. Some more aspects of the Dervish could be assimilated into the Guardian, or a scythe weapon could be introduced that is given to the Guardian, Necromancer and Thief to allow people to emulate the Dervish.

I’ve been looking through the roleplay class tropes, and nothing really jumps out that hasn’t already been represented among the 8 professions. You could shoehorn one in but it wouldn’t be an easy fit.

Astralporing.1957:

Xenon.4537:

Again, there’s nothing in there that prevents an asura from learning dervish techniques from a human master, and then passing those teachings on to other asura, or norn, or sylvari, etc etc.

Of course. On the other hand, those “techniques” are prayers. Learning them would let you to call up on human gods, but the gods would still need to answer. And i really doubt they would answer those prayers for beings that didn’t worship them.
It’s not even sure dervishes can still exist since gods have completely withdrawn and stopped responding to their believers, but at least human racial skills show, that some prayers are still answered. To humans. Not to Asura, Norn or Sylvari. And most certainly not to Charr.

(of course, the magic went through such retcon in GW2 that some elements of the lore do not even have sense anymore, especially in Charr history, so mangling it even more to introduce Dervishes would be okay, i guess)

From what I understand, the eternal alchemy vision shows us that every type of magic is represented as a separate entity or realm. Each one is tied to a dragon, and they also match up conveniently with the human gods and their domains (underworld and FoW). Now the gods are gone, but the magic is still here. There’s so much magic in fact that the dragons woke up to start eating it. Wind and earth prayers are just a way of accessing magical energy, same as elementalism, nature magic, holy magic, and necromancy. Necromancy didn’t die out when Grenth left, so why should wind/earth prayers stop working for the same reason?

By the way I’m sure everyone remembers M.O.X.? An Asura-made golem with the capability of performing all the spells, prayers, avatars, and skills of a dervish. If an Asura can build a dervish golem, I daresay he has at least some understanding of dervish magic. Which means dervish abilities are not limited to one race. Just look at all the non-human monsters that had dervish skills in GW1.

Honestly lore is about the weakest reason to keep dervish out of GW2. Game mechanics are far more pertinent. A GW2 dervish would essentially be a guardian who consumes his own boons for bonus effects. Is that really different enough from a guardian? I think the discussion should focus more on coming up with a creative way to tweak the mechanics of the dervish to make it fill a more distinct role in the context of the GW2 meta.

Xenon.4537:

From what I understand, the eternal alchemy vision shows us that every type of magic is represented as a separate entity or realm. Each one is tied to a dragon, and they also match up conveniently with the human gods and their domains (underworld and FoW).

Actually, they don’t match up that well at all. Not only there is no 1:1 representation (as domains from single god can be divided between several dragons, and vice versa), but also not all domains are represented by both sides (just consider Dwayna for a moment. She has no real dragon counterpart).

Also, what i said before about lore changes. Go wild, just don’t pretend that GW2 dervishes would be anything like gw1 ones.

Guys, guys..don’t you know that “dervishes” and based on the actually “Whirling dervishes”. A dervish is a religious fanatic who dances to achive religious ecstasy. So having them in gw2 is pretty easy to fix. Yeah, yee…the lore part is a problem, which is easy to fix. I think they fixed monks pretty good and their lore into gw2…#Guardian. Why can’t the “haters” just say they don’t want a dervish-like class in gw2…because all of your arguments are pretty flawed. So, basically, a dervish a is a dancing scythe wielding heavy armor class with roots to something devine. Sounds pretty easy to fix.

There is no point in bringing scythes back into the game as their own weapon class. The way melee works, makes it redundant other than to have special skins.

As for the Dervish lore, they are based around the human’s gods, so to make any class other than them makes little sense. But then again, aren’t a couple other classes based on human gods as well? Why are charr able to raise dead and create clones? Are those not based on human gods? Or are our gods a farce parading with powers that are not theirs?

GW2 class mechanics already cover GW1 classes.. but in a very vague, unsatisfying way.

Playing a guardian with shouts is completely unlike playing a paragon. Both have shouts and burning, but paragon is long-ranged, has an unique echo mechanic and a very diversified list of support skills.

Playing a cleave guardian is also completely unlike player a dervish. A dervish has very diversified list of enchantments to be stripped and attacks to strip them out, while guardian merely has 3 fixed signet/shout skills under high cooldowns.

Likewise, playing an engineer is nothing like playing a ritualist. With a ritualist, you would have a wide array of spirits to protect your party or to shoot at the opponent, coupled with interesting spirit-swap positional skills and other long-range spells. With engineer, turrets are nothing more than some utility skills that are, usually, secondary to your profession mechanics.