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Did Anet deliver on their promises?
Haha…hehe…hyh.
It’s like talking about everything GW2 is not and things that is beeing avoided in the game updates nowadays.
Good times, good old times.
Haha…hehe…hyh.
It’s like talking about everything GW2 is not and things that is beeing avoided in the game updates nowadays.
Good times, good old times.
At least we got our menu improvements and tutorials, right?
Arena Net doesn’t make promises.
They just talk about great ideas that might happen in some game, some day. Then they go back to working on Guild Wars 2.
I’m sure some of them dream of putting cool things into this game, but to quote a poster I’ve seen: “Get back to work. You’re not being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.”
Sarcasm, delivered with a
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
Ideas change from the inception stage to the development stage. Some idea’s may seem viable at first but turn out differently.
TLDR: Things evolve, stop whining
A manifesto isn’t a promise of delivery. It’s a statement of intent. Did they deliver? For the most part they did.
Sort of sort of not.
The things they said in the video is kind of misleading… Yah there is totaling no grind, but if you want a cool looking skin and want to spend enourmous hour on it…
my take on the no grind part is the lack of content beside getting cool looking skin. So it end up having grind for most people.
Not even close to what was intended. Bring back the ORIGINAL GW1/GW2 TEAM and fire the ones there now.
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
A manifesto isn’t a promise of delivery. It’s a statement of intent. Did they deliver? For the most part they did.
From 1 (nothing delivered that was “promised”) to 10 (everything that was mentioned in the video is in the game)
I would give anet …..a bad 5
Why?
As you can see in the video they talk about lots of things that aren’t in game also this game has so much potential and after 2 years there is still a massive lack of content!
A “kewl” new UI doesn’t fill the lack of content.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.
Your answer is…
NO
A manifesto isn’t a promise of delivery. It’s a statement of intent. Did they deliver? For the most part they did.
In what way? Almost every statement they said about the gameplay did not make it into the final game.
*It is very much a mmo for mmo players. If you hate mmos, you won’t want to check out GW2.
*People have made lists about things that they miss from GW1. Long lists.
*I would hardly call the storyline branching.
*You have fun tasks occasionally and alot of grind (purely opinion).
*Everyone around you is doing the same thing.
*The boss you just killed is going to respawn.
*"Dynamic events" are actually scripted, repeated events.
*You have no permanent effect on the world.
*There is no cause and effect.
*Villages you rescue don’t stay rescued and they don’t remember you.
Now to be fair, a few did make it into the final game
*Combat is more active.
*The art direction was excellent.
*Dynamic events actually happen.
It’s all about perspective. By understanding what they’re referring to, the manifesto is quite accurate. If you take every point they make and directly compare it to the typical MMO at the time GW2 was being developed (aka WoW BC), everything they say is true.
It’s all about perspective. By understanding what they’re referring to, the manifesto is quite accurate. If you take every point they make and directly compare it to the typical MMO at the time GW2 was being developed (aka WoW BC), everything they say is true.
I don’t even remember ever seeing this video until today. I directly compared their points to the game they delivered.
I don’t even remember ever seeing this video until today. I directly compared their points to the game they delivered.
Before the Manifesto, there were interviews. The actual manifesto is like taking small lines from a much larger story.
Here’s my quick take:
If you love MMOs or hate MMOs, you’ll want to check out GW2.
Either way, it’s an opinion and you’ll have to decided why you hate or love MMOs. The most basic concept of MMOs is many people in a persistent world playing together. What’s usually hated about MMOs is the daily grind, something which GW2 greatly decreased in comparison. Yes, you still grind for cosmetics, but in other MMOs, you grind for everything.
GW2 takes everything you love about GW1 and puts it into a persistent world.
Again, an opinion, except the persistent world part, which it is. If I had to pick a generic thing though, it would be the world.
More active combat
Very.
Fully branching personalized story line
Expectations. Having to work with many other players, of course the story is going to have to come together at some point. You can’t expect a single player quality personalized story. Compared to old style questing however, where you weren’t given choices, this is both personalized and branching.
Events to get people playing together
In response to quests causing people to hate each other.
Everything about art
Yes.
When you play the combat, you say “Wow …”
Nowadays, not so much. Action combat is the new trend. Back then however, everything was using the static stand still combat formula and although not first to the scene, it was the first time for many to experience it.
You have really fun tasks that you occasionally get to do and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff
This was in reference to epic quest lines that you occasionally saw while everything else was the typical “kill 10 rats” styled quest. In GW2, they took all those core quests and made the personal story while in between leveling was left entirely up to the player. In this sense, there is no grind while leveling because you’re choosing how you want to play, within reason of course.
For other types of content, there really isn’t any content gates. Even when it comes to gearing, you can get away with anything. Fractals were added as an exception to appease a certain type of player.
I swung a sword, “grind” … we want to change the way people view combat
This was a comparison between action combat and the stand still spam the rotation style. That wasn’t really a fair statement however, since in both styles, you are capable to “auto attacking” combat or being the complete opposite. It’s a lot more fun knowing you can manually dodge an attack though, compared to always getting hit when within range.
MMOs have lost the ability to make you feel like a hero
On a personal level, yes they have because generally, everyone was the hero at the same time, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t feel like one. The personal story tried to put you in the spot light, which lasted for a while until the story had to merge back together. With the living story putting you into the boss role, you really are the one, especially on, for example, the last part of the current story.
Everyone is doing the same thing you’re doing
Traditionally, everyone is doing the exact same quest line during their leveling process. The personal story however made everyone’s journey a little different.
Of course when you look at people around you, they’re going to be doing the same thing as you, assuming you’re in a hot spot, because the game is designed to attract people together. In traditional MMOs however, you might actually find people doing the same thing as you for hours, since… dailies.
The boss you just killed respawns 10 minutes later.
Although referring to the personal story, most open world bosses don’t just respawn. There’s usually a reason as to why they came back, usually in the form of an event. This is much different compared to other MMOs where people are waiting in line for kill credit. The current trend some MMOs are going with is heavy phasing to change this, which brings other problems.
Quest text tells a story that’s not actually happening
This is quite common in most traditional quests. A quest will read that something happened, but you can never witness it actually happening. Although there are no quests in GW2 for this to happen, places that get attacked always actually get attacked.
We do not want to build the same MMO everyone else is building
Too many WoW clones.
1/2
2/2
You affect things around you in a permanent way
The personal story is permanent. All those poor NPCs that have died. In the open world, although you don’t leave any permanent effects on the world, you do leave a temporary effect. Compared to pre-phasing where you left no effect at all and the quests were simply no longer accessible while the problems were still there.
Cause and effect. A single decision made by a player cascades out in a chain of events
Events and their chains. Do I save them, or let them die? Some even have choices within them, such as choosing a direction to go in, causing the event to change.
Rescue a village that will stay rescued and then remember you
Although temporary, there are many events involving NPCs where you can defend or save them and they’ll welcome you for it. With the living story, they’ve also been better at remembering you.
Permanently, I rescued Lion’s Arch.
A manifesto isn’t a promise of delivery. It’s a statement of intent. Did they deliver? For the most part they did.
In what way? Almost every statement they said about the gameplay did not make it into the final game.
*It is very much a mmo for mmo players. If you hate mmos, you won’t want to check out GW2.
*People have made lists about things that they miss from GW1. Long lists.
*I would hardly call the storyline branching.
*You have fun tasks occasionally and alot of grind (purely opinion).
*Everyone around you is doing the same thing.
*The boss you just killed is going to respawn.
*"Dynamic events" are actually scripted, repeated events.
*You have no permanent effect on the world.
*There is no cause and effect.
*Villages you rescue don’t stay rescued and they don’t remember you.Now to be fair, a few did make it into the final game
*Combat is more active.
*The art direction was excellent.
*Dynamic events actually happen.
Answered this in another thread. You’ll have to find it because I’m going afk right now, but the short answer is, when you take stuff out of context (and this is four years after it was made, ignoring the clarification published the day after), you’re going to get the short end of the stick.
A manifesto isn’t a promise of delivery. It’s a statement of intent. Did they deliver? For the most part they did.
False, they didn’t.
Leman
Just shut up and follow the arrow. Everything is fine.
Just shut up and follow the arrow. Everything is fine.
this.
working as intended
“No, I don’t.”
Just shut up and follow the arrow. Everything is fine.
Forgive me. Nobody should question the design choices of the supreme leader. I shall never doubt the wisdom of the great arrow again.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.
This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
What do you think “bait and switch” is if not false advertising.
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
What do you think “bait and switch” is if not false advertising.
They’re different complaints legally, that’s all. I know this from being in the retail electronics industry in NYC. Bait and switch is a very different complaint.
It’s when a store advertises a model of TV or VCR that they don’t actually have in stock and then they try to upsell you on a different product.
Selling you a product that you advertise as having features it doesn’t is false advertising. They really are different.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Most gamers see a trailer that talks about all this awesome stuff and assume that the game will be like this because they were told so. I believe most wouldn’t dig too deep into what exactly the game entails and would just base it off of the single video that Arenanet was linking ad nauseam.
It’s not a bait and switch or false advertising because of themselves labeling it a manifesto. They knew people would buy it from the the manifesto video, which is why it was linked by them on every occasion. Very smart on their part to say whatever they want without any true repercussions. Just like every politician.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Most gamers see a trailer that talks about all this awesome stuff and assume that the game will be like this because they were told so. I believe most wouldn’t dig deep into what exactly the game entails and would just base it off of the single video that Arenanet was linking ad nauseam.
It’s not a bait and switch or false advertising because of themselves labeling it a manifesto. Very smart on their part to say whatever they want without any true repercussions. Just like every politician.
Not to mention it was made two years before the game launched and Anet went into huge detail about the game after that. If anyone bought the game on a single five minute commericial and didn’t read further, with all the pages and videos that were out, I’d say it’s their own lookout.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
What do you think “bait and switch” is if not false advertising.
They’re different complaints legally, that’s all. I know this from being in the retail electronics industry in NYC. Bait and switch is a very different complaint.
It’s when a store advertises a model of TV or VCR that they don’t actually have in stock and then they try to upsell you on a different product.
Selling you a product that you advertise as having features it doesn’t is false advertising. They really are different.
Still not good business either way.
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
What do you think “bait and switch” is if not false advertising.
They’re different complaints legally, that’s all. I know this from being in the retail electronics industry in NYC. Bait and switch is a very different complaint.
It’s when a store advertises a model of TV or VCR that they don’t actually have in stock and then they try to upsell you on a different product.
Selling you a product that you advertise as having features it doesn’t is false advertising. They really are different.
Still not good business either way.
I’m not saying they did false advertise, only that your actual accusation doesn’t match the description of the problems. If they engaged in false advertising then I’d agree with you. I don’t believe they did.
Who cares whether it was false advertising, bait and switch, or the hokey pokey?
Anet failed.
They lied even. To our faces.
It’s the same thing politicians do when they campaign. This big ol’ list of things they do to mislead you into thinking they are the right choice. Anet did the exact same thing. They acted as if they had all these awesome innovative things and they just didn’t deliver on much of it. I don’t think they ever had plans on half of the things said leading up to release.
I mean, they pretty much admitted to giving up on dynamic events as they weren’t played enough to waste resources on.
The game has slowly been made easier since the game launched. If they are trying to appeal to everyone, they should have made a facebook game. The game is starting to be good at nothing and just okay at everything else.This^^^^ and it’s called BAIT AND SWITCH which is against the law and prosecuteable in many states, but, "they have a little disclaimer buried in the ToS that protects “them”.
Bait and switch is advertising a product and trying to sell someone a different product when they come into the store. What you’re probably thinking of is false advertising. I don’t think that this would qualify as that either, for various reasons having nothing to do with a disclaimer.
What do you think “bait and switch” is if not false advertising.
They’re different complaints legally, that’s all. I know this from being in the retail electronics industry in NYC. Bait and switch is a very different complaint.
It’s when a store advertises a model of TV or VCR that they don’t actually have in stock and then they try to upsell you on a different product.
Selling you a product that you advertise as having features it doesn’t is false advertising. They really are different.
Still not good business either way.
I’m not saying they did false advertise, only that your actual accusation doesn’t match the description of the problems. If they engaged in false advertising then I’d agree with you. I don’t believe they did.
Oh, I know you didn’t say they did. As for your ending comment you may not, but, I and MANY OTHERS do, which, you and I alike have that right to do.
Mud Bone – Sylvari Ranger