Guild Wars 2

Context:

I play an engineer and due to the awkwardness of the Flamethrower #2 skill as a blast finisher, I need to always hardcore spam-click the ‘2’ button for it to blast the flamethrower’s number 4’s fire field.

So after a couple of hours of gameplay, my finger’s half-broken and in pain.

So the question is, is using a macro to double-click for me so that I can save my dying finger bannable?

“Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.”

Here is the official statement: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1043-macros-multi-boxing-and-guild-wars-2/

It depends on the definition. Not our definition, mind you; Anet’s. And they won’t tell us what it is.
They have stated the macro rule as something like “1 click = 1 action” … “for example, you can not have 1 click perform 2 attacks”
now, in your case, it could be interpreted as 2 actions, or 1 action. but if it were 2 actions, they aren’t at the same time, they are sequential.
The rule is in place to prevent someone from having an advantage over normal players, but this doesn’t give you an advantage, it only saves your finger strain.

After 16 months, I’ve already broken a keyboard and even a couple of buttons on my gaming mouse are beginning to collapse. Then add in the negative health impact of all the clicking. Equals this game should have some form of built in auto clicking or binding. If it’s built in, then there’s no special advantage as you’d all have access to it.

I wish this skill worked like targeted areas, hold it and it goes till you release if you have fast targetting on. If normal targetting then you have to double tap manually.

My philosophy is why take the risk?

penelopehannibal.8947:

My philosophy is why take the risk?

Finger pains and a broken 2 key on my keyboard.

I agree with the poster above though. Why have a device kit which has this 1 skill which need targeting whilst the main autoattack is better used without the target and nothing else on it needs a target. It just makes it awkward.

Well, except at the moment, because the #4 fire field is so low, the only way to blast the kitten thing with #2 is to not target anything, position your character jusssssssst right, and spam the skill key like your life depends on it whilst making your camera angle isn’t too high such that it goes straight into the ground (which by the way, is easiest on an asura).

Xae Isareth.1364:

Context:

I play an engineer and due to the awkwardness of the Flamethrower #2 skill as a blast finisher, I need to always hardcore spam-click the ‘2’ button for it to blast the flamethrower’s number 4’s fire field.

So after a couple of hours of gameplay, my finger’s half-broken and in pain.

So the question is, is using a macro to double-click for me so that I can save my dying finger bannable?

Look.
Alcohol isn’t allowed in the student’s dormitory I live in. Even though ALL the people are 18+ here(legal to drink Alcohol). As our dormitory head said, “Alcohol isn’t permitted” is equal to “It’s fine if you don’t get seen together with it”.
Do you get the analogy?
EDIT:
And even more mindboggling news.
Sometimes Double-Clicking is ONE action.
Oh. My. God. Two clicks perform only 1 action?! Who could have thought! Putting something in mystic forge, for instance.
So not only it’s pseudo-fine if you do it silently… In fact. It’s 200% fine since it’s two clicks for ONE action, right?

Evalia.7103:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Context:

I play an engineer and due to the awkwardness of the Flamethrower #2 skill as a blast finisher, I need to always hardcore spam-click the ‘2’ button for it to blast the flamethrower’s number 4’s fire field.

So after a couple of hours of gameplay, my finger’s half-broken and in pain.

So the question is, is using a macro to double-click for me so that I can save my dying finger bannable?

Look.
Alcohol isn’t allowed in the student’s dormitory I live in. Even though ALL the people are 18+ here(legal to drink Alcohol). As our dormitory head said, “Alcohol isn’t permitted” is equal to “It’s fine if you don’t get seen together with it”.
Do you get the analogy?
If you don’t well… Keep breaking your fingers.

^^ like many rules, it’s there to make sure they can bust you if it causes an issue, if it never causes an issue… well, who cares?

Jerus.4350:

Evalia.7103:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Context:

I play an engineer and due to the awkwardness of the Flamethrower #2 skill as a blast finisher, I need to always hardcore spam-click the ‘2’ button for it to blast the flamethrower’s number 4’s fire field.

So after a couple of hours of gameplay, my finger’s half-broken and in pain.

So the question is, is using a macro to double-click for me so that I can save my dying finger bannable?

Look.
Alcohol isn’t allowed in the student’s dormitory I live in. Even though ALL the people are 18+ here(legal to drink Alcohol). As our dormitory head said, “Alcohol isn’t permitted” is equal to “It’s fine if you don’t get seen together with it”.
Do you get the analogy?
If you don’t well… Keep breaking your fingers.

^^ like many rules, it’s there to make sure they can bust you if it causes an issue, if it never causes an issue… well, who cares?

Well, so can a macros that does a double-click cause an issue?
:O Alcohol seems pretty extreme compared with it, hehe.

Xae Isareth.1364:

penelopehannibal.8947:

My philosophy is why take the risk?

Finger pains and a broken 2 key on my keyboard.

I agree with the poster above though. Why have a device kit which has this 1 skill which need targeting whilst the main autoattack is better used without the target and nothing else on it needs a target. It just makes it awkward.

Well, except at the moment, because the #4 fire field is so low, the only way to blast the kitten thing with #2 is to not target anything, position your character jusssssssst right, and spam the skill key like your life depends on it whilst making your camera angle isn’t too high such that it goes straight into the ground (which by the way, is easiest on an asura).

You mention that after a while using one skill to get a discovered affect is a pain – but we’re all in the same boat – a Macro skill to give you an advantage over another player is not right. Why should you who finds it inconvenient to use your finger to cause a fire shield around you be allowed to use a macro over other players that use the engineer?

That’s the whole point of macros generally not being allowed in Guild Wars 2 – you shouldn’t have to have something play the game for you. We all get achey fingers from playing a certain class in a certain way – it’s part of being a gamer!

I personally get an achey finger when I play Ranger in PvP – but I don’t expect to be allowed to let a 3rd party programme to do some of the trickier work for me whilst others don’t have that luxury.

^ except that double clicking isn’t exactly doing the work for you and it falls into a grey area in their rules.

Their rules states that you can’t have one yet perform multiple actions. But the question is, is double-tapping a key one or two actions?

Xae Isareth.1364:

^ except that double clicking isn’t exactly doing the work for you and it falls into a grey area in their rules.

Their rules states that you can’t have one yet perform multiple actions. But the question is, is double-tapping a key one or two actions?

One button press causes 2 actions thus it’s a macro that isn’t allowed. Even if it is just a double click it is still not permitted because it gives an advantage over anyone who doesn’t have such macro.

The korean made MMO ArcheAge has a system where you right click a stack of bags and you can have it auto open the rest, just throwing that out there.

@Taku well, in the case of assigning mouse click to mouse scroll, doesn’t that fall under the same category?

You have to be really careful when playing. Once my finger accidentally slipped and landed between two keys and I accidentally pressed two keys with one finger.

I immediately closed GW2, shutdown computer and cut the power cord. After a week I had enough courage to log in again. Luckily I didn’t get caught and can still keep playing.

I have this gaming mouse called a Ghost Shark, and next to the left click is an auto-clicker. I didn’t know what it did for a while, but now that I do, I can use it to get rid of stacks of hundreds of little luck stacks and stuff like people are mentioning above. I went to a click counter on a website once and told it to count when I used the autoclicker. it clicks about 30-50 times a second. is that allowed? Its not even a macro, I can’t turn it off. Its just kinda there…..and very tempting.

Anything that does more than one action per input is against the rules.

Wethospu.6437:

You have to be really careful when playing. Once my finger accidentally slipped and landed between two keys and I accidentally pressed two keys with one finger.

I immediately closed GW2, shutdown computer and cut the power cord. After a week I had enough courage to log in again. Luckily I didn’t get caught and can still keep playing.

^ best post

I think the real answer is YES, it is bannable (more than one action), but I’m not sure how they would know without some VERY detailed analysis of your button presses (that I’m fairly sure Anet could do if they wanted to waste that time to do so).

I doubt it will ever be an issue, but if it becomes one, you’ll know why.

BTW, you likely increased your chances of being banned for this by many orders of magnitude because you posted this question here. Just saying….

Xae Isareth.1364:

@Taku well, in the case of assigning mouse click to mouse scroll, doesn’t that fall under the same category?

It doesn’t since one click on mouse scroll equals to one click in-game. Mousewheel just allows you to do those clicks at a much higher rate than mousebuttons.

Evalia.7103:

Oh. My. God. Two clicks perform only 1 action?! Who could have thought! Putting something in mystic forge, for instance.

Putting something in MF is one action. You click twice, you get one action: put item in MF. You click once, you get nothing.

Casting Flame Blast and Detonate Flame Blast is two actions. You click twice, you get Flame Blast and Detonate Flame Blast. You click once, you get Flame Blast.

Jerus.4350:

Wethospu.6437:

You have to be really careful when playing. Once my finger accidentally slipped and landed between two keys and I accidentally pressed two keys with one finger.

I immediately closed GW2, shutdown computer and cut the power cord. After a week I had enough courage to log in again. Luckily I didn’t get caught and can still keep playing.

^ best post

I’m pretty sure facerolling would result in an instant ban.

I’ve had a double click macro since GW1. I asked this myself a long, long time ago, and at the time it was fine. I’ve not heard them change their stance regarding it. There stance on macros has remained pretty solid since GW1, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I’d say you only have to worry about it when you start making macros to do combos…

I would argue that a double click is an input, not an action. Therefore, creating a double click macro is still a single input that does a single action.

I don’t personally use any macros, since ArenaNet’s policy is too vague for my taste.

Just throwing out a perfectly legitimate definition of terms that supports the use of such a macro.

I guess I’ll macro a ‘2’ button press to mouse scroll.