Guild Wars 2

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

It does not mean that people are being discriminated by intent. However there’s obvious reason to question the ideas and inspiration of the armour and outfits of each gender.
Extremely feminine gear that can not be worn by male characters and vice versa. Most of the gear styles of today’s games spring from rather outdated ideals of how women and men should look and what they should wear. More important, the fact that it suggests that a man that wants to wear women clothing can not do so, and the other way around.
By not allowing for cross-gender outfits or gear you further strengthen these ideals, and by doing so you start to discriminate people whether it’s intended or not.

I wanted to raise a debate about this because I feel like it’s an important issue. As I stated in anoher post I want everyone to feel welcome in the Gw2 universe, and that people should be able to relate to the game.

I’m curious why you picked the wedding dress outfit of all things in the game? The issue you’re highlighting holds true for every armor set in the game, so why specifically single out the wedding dress outfit for this?

Wildkitten.3872:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

You’re so ignorant and attention-craving…
Stop complaining about issues that aren’t there.
Either deal with it, or move on with your life and find a game that does cater your needs.
After all, you aren’t forced to play this game.

People with an attitude like you shine a bad light on the LGBT community, or any “minority” for that sake.
Everything that isn’t exactly relative to your lifestyle is seen as discriminating and oppressive in your eyes, so you expect other people to go out of their own way, away from their own lifestyle, just so you don’t feel oppressed anymore.
If anyone is oppressing other people here, its you, and you make me feel not welcome in the “gw2 universe”

Actually I started this thread with a very laid back attitude in mind, you on the other hand had some rather rude things to say. If you feel like you’re unable to take part of a discussion you’re more than welcome to leave.
To shed some light on what I belive is your problem, since I get the feeling you think I’m some “attention craving LGBT person”. I’m not. I’m neither attention craving or LGBT. I’m just some dufe who feel like everyone should be able feel like this game speaks to an audience of 2015. Not 1850.

The point was to lift the subject.

I hate to break it to you, but even now in 2015 men and women still dress differently. Even in the LGBT community, most men dress as men and most women dress as women. Being LGB or T does not make you an automatic cross dresser.

What you are asking for is Anet to cater to every possible scenario in every possible situation. A tiny bit of common sense tells you that is not even possible in a game or the game would still be in development not celebrating it’s 3rd anniversary. It’s likely if games had to cater to every possible scenario you would see a lot less games because they wouldn’t be worth the expense of making.

The reason why men dress as men and women dress as women is because there’s a norm that dicates what you should wear. And no I only ask that there’s an option to dress your male character in clothes that some would think of as feminine, and the other way around. Simple as that, you make it harder than it needs to be.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex

That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.

Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.

I prefer to walk around in the buff, clothes are stuffy and annoying. But, I have to put clothes on or I get arrested. It’s oppression I tell you!

As much as I’d love more outfits, anet is already evidently very busy. Doubling the number of outfits would detract from other development.

Now can I get the headpiece on my asura wedding dress to not clip with my head, that’d be great

Vesuvius.9874:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

It does not mean that people are being discriminated by intent. However there’s obvious reason to question the ideas and inspiration of the armour and outfits of each gender.
Extremely feminine gear that can not be worn by male characters and vice versa. Most of the gear styles of today’s games spring from rather outdated ideals of how women and men should look and what they should wear. More important, the fact that it suggests that a man that wants to wear women clothing can not do so, and the other way around.
By not allowing for cross-gender outfits or gear you further strengthen these ideals, and by doing so you start to discriminate people whether it’s intended or not.

I wanted to raise a debate about this because I feel like it’s an important issue. As I stated in anoher post I want everyone to feel welcome in the Gw2 universe, and that people should be able to relate to the game.

I’m curious why you picked the wedding dress outfit of all things in the game? The issue you’re highlighting holds true for every armor set in the game, so why specifically single out the wedding dress outfit for this?

I have been thinking of this at several moments. While inspecting gear such as the Magitech armour or many light armour sets, but I never really got a good way of putting it.
With these outfits being released I was actually reminded of this, and thought I’d give it a shot.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

Wildkitten.3872:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

You’re so ignorant and attention-craving…
Stop complaining about issues that aren’t there.
Either deal with it, or move on with your life and find a game that does cater your needs.
After all, you aren’t forced to play this game.

People with an attitude like you shine a bad light on the LGBT community, or any “minority” for that sake.
Everything that isn’t exactly relative to your lifestyle is seen as discriminating and oppressive in your eyes, so you expect other people to go out of their own way, away from their own lifestyle, just so you don’t feel oppressed anymore.
If anyone is oppressing other people here, its you, and you make me feel not welcome in the “gw2 universe”

Actually I started this thread with a very laid back attitude in mind, you on the other hand had some rather rude things to say. If you feel like you’re unable to take part of a discussion you’re more than welcome to leave.
To shed some light on what I belive is your problem, since I get the feeling you think I’m some “attention craving LGBT person”. I’m not. I’m neither attention craving or LGBT. I’m just some dufe who feel like everyone should be able feel like this game speaks to an audience of 2015. Not 1850.

The point was to lift the subject.

I hate to break it to you, but even now in 2015 men and women still dress differently. Even in the LGBT community, most men dress as men and most women dress as women. Being LGB or T does not make you an automatic cross dresser.

What you are asking for is Anet to cater to every possible scenario in every possible situation. A tiny bit of common sense tells you that is not even possible in a game or the game would still be in development not celebrating it’s 3rd anniversary. It’s likely if games had to cater to every possible scenario you would see a lot less games because they wouldn’t be worth the expense of making.

The reason why men dress as men and women dress as women is because there’s a norm that dicates what you should wear. And no I only ask that there’s an option to dress your male character in clothes that some would think of as feminine, and the other way around. Simple as that, you make it harder than it needs to be.

Except it’s not that simple. It would take a lot of work. And they would have to do it with EVERYTHING in game. That means a lot less armor and outfits or a lot less game content getting released so they don’t, as you believe, “discriminate”.

And what you call a norm is also something that people want. Just because it’s a norm does not mean it can’t be done or there would be no such thing as cross dressers. Most women actually WANT to look like women and most men want to look like men. Gaming has to cater to the majority in things because of limited time and resources.

This thread is going to end badly.

You know guys you can disagree with the OP without personally insulting him/her right? I know it might sound like a complicated thing to do, but it actually isn’t.

Behellagh.1468:

This thread is going to end up badly.

It already has from the first post.

I’m really thinking the OP is just a successful troll at this point.

coso.9173:

You know guys you can disagree with the OP without personally insulting him/her right? I know it might sound like a complicated thing to do, but it actually isn’t.

Except when the OP comes out and calls this discrimination that points to him being ridiculousness. Really? Only allowing female game characters to wear wedding dresses which are traditionally for women is discrimination? What’s next, saying it’s discrimination that male characters can’t adjust their breast size because it really is just as much of a ridiculous argument.

Jerus.4350:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex

That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.

Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.

I prefer to walk around in the buff, clothes are stuffy and annoying. But, I have to put clothes on or I get arrested. It’s oppression I tell you!

Not really the same. Both genders and all people have the standard applied equally: put on clothes. It’s not sexist in its approach. Telling each gender they must only wear X or Y however is sex discrimination, period. There’s no criteria besides what genitals you are born with.

Not that I’m concerned too much about this, but nevertheless what you posted is a false equivalence.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

The reason why men dress as men and women dress as women is because there’s a norm that dicates what you should wear.

Yeaaaaaaah I’m pretty sure I’m not being dictated to by anyone or anything what I should wear. What I wear are my own choices. Not sure where you got that idea from.

Zenith.7301:

Jerus.4350:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex

That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.

Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.

I prefer to walk around in the buff, clothes are stuffy and annoying. But, I have to put clothes on or I get arrested. It’s oppression I tell you!

Not really the same. Both genders and all people have the standard applied equally: put on clothes. It’s not sexist in its approach. Telling each gender they must only wear X or Y however is sex discrimination, period. There’s no criteria besides what genitals you are born with.

Not that I’m concerned too much about this, but nevertheless what you posted is a false equivalence.

No, it’s not discrimination. It’s applying their limited resources to what society still deems as the norm even today.

If game developers were forced to make sure that every possible scenario was catered to in every possible situation, you would have no games. So no, applying their limited resources to what more than 99% of people like is not discriminating.

Zenith.7301:

Jerus.4350:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

bladex.9502:

Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex

That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.

Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.

I prefer to walk around in the buff, clothes are stuffy and annoying. But, I have to put clothes on or I get arrested. It’s oppression I tell you!

Not really the same. Both genders and all people have the standard applied equally: put on clothes. It’s not sexist in its approach. Telling each gender they must only wear X or Y however is sex discrimination, period. There’s no criteria besides what genitals you are born with.

Not that I’m concerned too much about this, but nevertheless what you posted is a false equivalence.

They were talking about accepted norms in what I quoted. Either way, not really interested in continuing on that line of discussion just thought it was funny and I’m hot and want to take my clothes off.

I actually think there’s a good chance of this happening, at least as good here as anywhere else, ANet has shown it’s willingness to go the extra mile to show their love for the LGBT community and I’m sure it’s gotten them a lot of positive responses in return.

" If you don’t like it then don’t buy it" – Auto forum response.

I play a tomboy female asura and I want her to wear the male asura tuxedo. Physiques are already identical between male/female Asura/Charr, the dress is already 1,000 gems, and GW2 is already extremely SJW-friendly— shouldn’t this be a no-brainer for a company that absolutely loves playing the social justice card?

People want it and it’s just as non-intrusive as, say, Sya or Lion’s Arch being glassed by the Consortium into a theme park. What more is there to debate?

Akira.5746:

I play a tomboy female asura and I want her to wear the male asura tuxedo. Physiques are already identical between male/female Asura/Charr, the dress is already 1,000 gems, and GW2 is already extremely SJW-friendly— shouldn’t this be a no-brainer for a company that absolutely loves playing the social justice card?

People want it and it’s just as non-intrusive as, say, Sya or Lion’s Arch being glassed by the Consortium into a theme park. What more is there to debate?

Noble Count Outfit

Ok fixed it for you. Its even cheaper too.

People need to realize this stuff is already in the game and you could stop being lazy and find an equivalent or make your own outfit.

Zoul.1087:

I want balthazaars outfit but with a different helmet. Will anet cater to me?

There are tons of outfits, transmutations and etc. If you don’t like this one outfit make a different one.

1) Anet did cater to you, you can hide the helmet. (:
2) If this outfit was ANYTHING except a wedding dress, there wouldn’t be a problem. The moment you throw marriage into the cogs, people will want justice and equality and feel-good feelings feeding into their non-white/cis/male agenda.

Zoul.1087:

Catering to everyone will ensure they are catering to no one.

Anet is catering to everyone? lol. Where were you when Anet threw an unskippable lesbian kissing scene into the LS Season 1 finale? Anet is by no means catering to everyone; they’re catering to casuals and SJWs and have been for years.

Zoul.1087:

People need to realize this stuff is already in the game and you could stop being lazy and find an equivalent or make your own outfit.

Outfits are the epitome of instant-gratification for lazy players. Why stress over combining 5~6 armor pieces in a way that makes sense, with hugely variable dye spreads when you can just pop in ten buckaroos and have a look that’s guaranteed to have a coherent aesthetic?

Anet’s already buckling down towards a full-fledged marriage mechanic: we have the chapel, we have the outfit, we have the user base that eats this garbage up and licks their plate clean with a smile on their grimy, excreta-tinged teeth. All they need to do is cater a little harder towards SJWs by activating cross-dressing options for the one outfit that’s related to it. Hell, why not go further and make the 1K gem outfit mandatory to utilize that same marriage mechanic? It’s easy money!

If they can shove KasJory, Sya and Rox’s awful sliders down our throats, cross-dressing for marriage is by no means a huge deviation based on Anet’s track record.

Wildkitten.3872:

Behellagh.1468:

This thread is going to end up badly.

It already has from the first post.

I’m really thinking the OP is just a successful troll at this point.

It would be impossible to tell.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s+Law

Menadena.7482:

With marriage equality being the law of the land where anet exists (and a few other countries as well) you would think they would assume there just MIGHT be some same sex weddings.

I think you’re being extremely disingenuous. There are more forefront homosexual romances in the game than there are hetero. The only heterosexual relationship that has any significant focus is in 1 of the Asuran storylines. To say there is any discrimination or bias against it in this game is to the exact opposite of the truth.

Menadena.7482:

That was a question I had as well. Both my partner and myself wore pantsuits at our wedding and there was never any question of doing otherwise. With marriage equality being the law of the land where anet exists (and a few other countries as well) you would think they would assume there just MIGHT be some same sex weddings.

Is there some unwritten law that says all marriage ceremonies need someone in a tuxedo and another wearing a wedding dress? :p

stof.9341:

Is there some unwritten law that says all marriage ceremonies need someone in a tuxedo and another wearing a wedding dress? :p

Also consider the fact that the human wedding outfits are what’s worn in Christian weddings? What if someone is from a different religion? What if they’re atheist?

Vesuvius.9874:

Also consider the fact that the human wedding outfits are what’s worn in Christian weddings?

Man, Christian’s are kittentier then they want us to think. Cause that human dress screams tramp!

Vesuvius.9874:

stof.9341:

Is there some unwritten law that says all marriage ceremonies need someone in a tuxedo and another wearing a wedding dress? :p

Also consider the fact that the human wedding outfits are what’s worn in Christian weddings? What if someone is from a different religion? What if they’re atheist?

Shhhh people want to practice tradition, and buck it at the same time.

“I shouldn’t have to conform to societal norms!”

“I want to wear the normal wedding attire!”

I wore a Class A military uniform at my wedding. Where is it in game?

Zoul.1087:

Vesuvius.9874:

stof.9341:

Is there some unwritten law that says all marriage ceremonies need someone in a tuxedo and another wearing a wedding dress? :p

Also consider the fact that the human wedding outfits are what’s worn in Christian weddings? What if someone is from a different religion? What if they’re atheist?

Shhhh these people want to practice tradition, and buck it at the same time.

“I shouldn’t have to conform to societal norms!”

“I want to wear the normal wedding attire!”

I demand Hawaiian shirts for beach weddings.

This is a fantasy game world not a political medium to push agendas.

Akira.5746:

2) If this outfit was ANYTHING except a wedding dress, there wouldn’t be a problem. The moment you throw marriage into the cogs, people will want justice and equality and feel-good feelings feeding into their non-white/cis/male agenda.

No, it’s not. There is already homosexual relationships in the game. But the problem is it won’t stop here. If this is put in then the OP will say “Well you’re discriminating against me by not allowing every article of clothing female characters can wear be worn by my male character”. The fact this issue is even brought up proves that would happen.

What’s next, people wanting to see their burly male norn characters in a bra and panty set? A lot of people would leave the game not because they are biased but because at that point it would look clownish with a lot of people running around dressed as silly as they can, and based on things from other games, you would have people dressing outlandishly just because they could. At that point any political point you want made would be lost.

Cappy.2786:

This is a fantasy game world not a political medium to push agendas.

This is the new totalitarianism. Many people want to push their desires on everyone in EVERY aspect of life. To them a video game is indeed a political medium.

Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.

Dinks.2478:

Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.

Well it wouldn’t even be 2%. Not everyone who is bisexual or homosexual is a crossdresser.

Complains about no gender neutral clothes, inclusion, and pulls the whole “heteronormative society” stuff.

Leaves the ‘Q’ and ‘A’ off LGBTQA.

Mn-kay.

Look, it would be great if everything could be worn by everyone – I hate that a lot of feminine outfits turn into ugly male versions on asura and charr, awesome male armors turn into lingerie on women, and that males get the crap end of the carapace set but realistically speaking, there’s a lot of work involved in changing that and it would likely mean these outfits just wouldn’t get released at all. Too little payout for a crap ton of effort.

Now what they could do is an outfit suit that’s a suit on everyone or an outfit dress that’s a dress on everyone but not a singluar outfit with multiple options depending on how a person feels that day and that has to be toggled to male or female or neutral. Not that same option added on every single existing outfit (even if that Halloween dress would look AWESOME on my asura). That’s asking a lot.

Male and female models are very different for all races (except Asura) so it would take a lot of extra work and despite you saying its an equality issue its more a style issue (imo). I’ve seen lesbian weddings both of them in dresses and males both in suits.

Its true that it may be more likely that a lesbian couple would want to wear suits (when compared to a heterosexual female on average) but thats still down to their personal taste.

It seems like you might be asking for quite a lot and I wouldn’t agree that its an equality issue.

Wildkitten.3872:

Dinks.2478:

Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.

Well it wouldn’t even be 2%. Not everyone who is bisexual or homosexual is a crossdresser.

I have a lot of homosexual friends male and female. Many are married now and not a one of them is a cross dresser.

Talking about appeasing a tiny minority within a minority.

Moreover, an even smaller percentage are militant, push their agenda on everyone types, so I think that 2% is a very high percentage.

Anyways, not worth the resources to appease them.

I really do wonder why someone who is not engaging in a traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding would want to wear traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding attire.

I don’t fault people for wanting this. To each their own. Still, I am not a Dallas Cowboys fan so I do not wear Dallas Cowboys attire. This is not a criticism, just a point of curiosity.

That said, female characters can wear pants and male characters in game can wear a dress. They can even get “married” doing so if the players involve so desire. A wedding outfit is what you wear to a wedding. I, for example, wore a set of medieval armor, sword, etc for my real world wedding.

Chobits.2430:

Wildkitten.3872:

Dinks.2478:

Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.

Well it wouldn’t even be 2%. Not everyone who is bisexual or homosexual is a crossdresser.

I have a lot of homosexual friends male and female. Many are married now and not a one of them is a cross dresser.

Talking about appeasing a tiny minority within a minority.

Moreover, an even smaller percentage are militant, push their agenda on everyone types, so I think that 2% is a very high percentage.

Anyways, not worth the resources to appease them.

Well 2% is just the number of people who are gay and lesbian. So I imagine it would be well under 1% who would even care. As you said, we are talking about tiny minority inside of a tiny minority.

Ashen.2907:

I really do wonder why someone who is not engaging in a traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding would want to wear traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding attire.

I don’t fault people for wanting this. To each their own. Still, I am not a Dallas Cowboys fan so I do not wear Dallas Cowboys attire. This is not a criticism, just a point of curiosity.

That said, female characters can wear pants and male characters in game can wear a dress. They can even get “married” doing so if the players involve so desire. A wedding outfit is what you wear to a wedding. I, for example, wore a set of medieval armor, sword, etc for my real world wedding.

To answer the point of curiousity because its a cultural tradition, you don’t lose ties to the past and culture just because you’re homosexual or secular (churches maintain their beauty and cultural significance, same goes for traditional wedding gear). Also there’s nothing un-Western about a gay marriage.

Coulter.2315:

Ashen.2907:

I really do wonder why someone who is not engaging in a traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding would want to wear traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding attire.

I don’t fault people for wanting this. To each their own. Still, I am not a Dallas Cowboys fan so I do not wear Dallas Cowboys attire. This is not a criticism, just a point of curiosity.

That said, female characters can wear pants and male characters in game can wear a dress. They can even get “married” doing so if the players involve so desire. A wedding outfit is what you wear to a wedding. I, for example, wore a set of medieval armor, sword, etc for my real world wedding.

To answer the point of curiousity because its a cultural tradition, you don’t lose ties to the past and culture just because you’re homosexual or secular (churches maintain their beauty and cultural significance, same goes for traditional wedding gear). Also there’s nothing un-Western about a gay marriage.

I didn’t claim that there was anything un-western about a gay marriage, merely that gay marriage is not necessarily “traditional” so why would someone want to use clothing for a tradition that does not match them.

I’ve been a loyal player of this game almost since its launch. I have suffered through the sjw overtones of the sylvari personal story and the jory and kasmeer fiasco. I really like this game a lot but the thing that really kills the charm of the game is this social agenda crap. If I had to see crossdressers on every map in Tyria that would probably make me consider finding another game . The op’s idea would be bad for the game.

Wildkitten.3872:

And since you are requesting that they spend many times more time on every single outfit, how many outfits are you saying we should see LESS of or game content we don’t receive so they can spend time catering to less than 1% of the population?

Ummm…. huh? Wait, I think you missed what I’m getting at here.

Okay, let’s start with humans. We have both the Noble and Exemplar outfits which are basically human culture-based “fancy” outfits. No problems with these, right?

What I’m suggesting is that they do an outfit like that, but based off of charr style. Then one off of sylvari, and so on. Each an outfit unto itself, just like the Noble and Exemplar outfits were. No more work than they were per outfit. The added benefit is that, thanks to the styles and cultures of the other races, they might satisfy some of the players that want a bit of the unusual in how their character dresses.

Guys! Some of you need to calm down. You’re overreacting and making false claims about alot of things.

Also this is not my personal agenda, and I did not, in any post, tell you what to think.
If this is how you guys react every time someone brings the subject up then you got a problem. And I recommend you work with it.

In my opening post I cleary suggest that Anet consider making future gear and outfits a little more gender neutral. Not removing the existing one. Appealing to a bigger audience.
This has been talked about many of times on other forums, but most of of the time people tend to stay away from speaking their opinions because of people like some of those trolls posting in this thread, calling names and making a big mess about it.

If you think it’s worth defending not having this option and are going to scream “femikitten” everytime someone brings the subject up, you might aswell keep quite in the first place. It’s not harder than that.

The vast majority of transvestites are straight as an arrow. You are the one who brought the LGBT thing into this by talking about gay marriage and how it is 2015.

Guess what, men already wear dresses in the game… I spent the vast majority of my time unwillingly wearing a dress on my male Necromancer that left my chest weirdly exposed.

Personally I want all the plushy backpacks and every stitch of clothing that looks modern removed from the game.

I want the game to be grimdark filled with prejudice and Lovecraftian dystopia… But it isn’t… it’s a Mary Sue game about a bunch of Mary Sue characters doing Mary Sue things with Mary Sue players who like doing their Mary Sue thing.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

Guys! Some of you need to calm down. You’re overreacting and making false claims about alot of things.

Also this is not my personal agenda, and I did not, in any post, tell you what to think.
If this is how you guys react every time someone brings the subject up then you got a problem. And I recommend you work with it.

In my opening post I cleary suggest that Anet consider making future gear and outfits a little more gender neutral. Not removing the existing one. Appealing to a bigger audience.
This has been talked about many of times on other forums, but most of of the time people tend to stay away from speaking their opinions because of people like some of those trolls posting in this thread, calling names and making a big mess about it.

If you think it’s worth defending not having this option and are going to scream “femikitten” everytime someone brings the subject up, you might aswell keep quite in the first place. It’s not harder than that.

You aren’t talking about appealing to a bigger audience. You also aren’t talking about gender neutral clothing either. Your OP clearly states…

…For future creations I’d love to see some outfits or gear that fall under the “manly” cathegory and “womanly” one to be available by the opposite character gender.

very love! much marriage! such wow!

Men wearing dresses and women wearing men’s clothing is not “gender neutral”. The number of people an idea such as this would likely appeal to would be incredibly small and the likely fact is it would probably drive more people off the game than it would bring in because they wouldn’t want to see big burly Norn males dressed in frilly wedding dresses.

And no, the idea of cross dressing in game has NOT been brought up. Yes, the idea of gender neutral clothing has, but of course you are lying when you say that’s what your original post was about from what I just quoted you proves.

Here it is the devs made these incredible outfits that would appeal to the widest possible audience (and there is no way to please each and every individual) and these outlandish requests and complaints are just going to cause fewer and fewer nice options to be available in the future. It’s past the point of being tiresome to see people complain no matter what Anet does. They could literally give every single person 1000 gems and there would be complaint threads made about it accusing Anet of some sort of bias.

I’m sympathetic, I do agree that anyone should be able to wear anything they want, but at the risk of sounding callous that sympathy ends with reality.

This is a game, you have to accept no everything is going to be represented in a game – not because of any political or social reasons, but simply because there are limitations in how much humans can create while being hunched in front of computers all day. Crossdressing isn’t represented, but neither are vegans, pacifists, polygamists, monotheists, democratic values, left handed people, amputees, or any number of groups/beliefs that are left out of the game because it would be massively unreasonable to expect ANet to try to be all inclusive.

I know you’re not asking for everyone to be represented, but what I’m saying is you’re not special. You’re not supposed to be special. You shouldn’t be treated differently for crossdressing, but neither should you ask for special treatment for crossdressing. You should be treated like everyone else.

And most everyone else has some aspect about themselves that isn’t represented. >raises left hand<

It is an interesting proposition. Instead of just a few pieces, If it could be done for every armor piece (without needing a massive amount of manual tuning to fix clipping issues), then the norn, human, sylvari races, could have nearly 2x as many pieces to mix and match and try making interesting combinations with. Charr and asura are unisex in most armour, so there are not many things to be gained for them…

There are of course things to consider about the technology Arena Net uses to put clothes on the players. Namely, it seems to be very incapable of handing varying body sizes and types very well without someone manually ensuring it fits for all body types. I hear a bunch of clipping issues and complaints about this and that about clothes not fitting. It seems like the technology itself is a limiting factor.

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I really do wonder why someone who is not engaging in a traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding would want to wear traditional western/christian/heterosexual wedding attire.

I don’t fault people for wanting this. To each their own. Still, I am not a Dallas Cowboys fan so I do not wear Dallas Cowboys attire. This is not a criticism, just a point of curiosity.

That said, female characters can wear pants and male characters in game can wear a dress. They can even get “married” doing so if the players involve so desire. A wedding outfit is what you wear to a wedding. I, for example, wore a set of medieval armor, sword, etc for my real world wedding.

To answer the point of curiousity because its a cultural tradition, you don’t lose ties to the past and culture just because you’re homosexual or secular (churches maintain their beauty and cultural significance, same goes for traditional wedding gear). Also there’s nothing un-Western about a gay marriage.

I didn’t claim that there was anything un-western about a gay marriage, merely that gay marriage is not necessarily “traditional” so why would someone want to use clothing for a tradition that does not match them.

To answer the point of curiousity because its a cultural tradition, you don’t lose ties to the past and culture just because you’re homosexual or secular (churches maintain their beauty and cultural significance, same goes for traditional wedding gear).

Gay people in Britain still grow up and live in Britain and so the culture of Britain is still their culture (a culture which includes weddings). (replace “Britain” with whatever other country you like)