Guild Wars 2

I realize that this is a gold/ecto sink – however, I went ahead with my 1000 gold and 300 ectos and began to gamble.

100+ tries later, I ended up with 3,500 gold (3.5 x what i had before) and 1500 ectos (5 x) what i had before. I have played this games tons and have never gotten a precursor drop so I kind of consider this my “precursor drop” as I understand the data shows a net loss over time.

How many people hit it big? Anyone hit it bigger?

What did you exactly do, to get this result?xD

So far, with the few times I have ecto gambled, I have pretty much broken even on gold and a bit ahead on ecto. However, I am pretty cautious at it, and don’t spend a ton of time with it……if I am losing quickly and consistently, I will back off and come back another time to it. And I have never tried buying the most expensive one….I always go with the middle or least expensive one.

Also, my main has always had horrid rng……part of the reason I am so cautious….I probably need to try it with one of my other characters.

Well this seems like a perfect opportunity for someone to get out the spreadsheet and do some math.

CureForLiving.5360:

Well this seems like a perfect opportunity for someone to get out the spreadsheet and do some math.

Somebody did. They lost miserably. The odds are very much not in your favor with this and a few days after release there were multiple threads complaining about it.

Those threads are notably buried at this point, but they exist.

Did you gamble with the 40s one or the 4g one?

the wiki has drop research tables which autocalculate the average profit/loss for each of them.

remember; gambling is always supposed to be a net loss in almost anything, so don’t waste too much time on this. tbh, I’ve still yet to do it once though, don’t even know where the guy is, and don’t have that much gold to buy ectos with XD

i did a little bit of gambling. started at 144 ectos and ~25g. spiked up to 28g and 220 ectos, got greedy, fell back down to initial-ish numbers, had the sense to quit.

you win some…

I did the 100 tries on the day of the release

After 91 tries, I was ~2k gold down, 500 ectos down
in the last 9 tries I turned my luck around significantly and
After 100 tries, I was 100g up, 4000 ectos up ~1500g profit

I stopped there happy and won’t be trying again

Is this with the one in the rowboat cave, or the other one? I’ve found the first, but not the second. At the first one I think I only did it three times, all at the lowest amount, and came out ahead.

Casino rules, odds are always in the house’s favor.

This game has enough stupid rng that comes at no cost, why would I waste gold to experience more disappointment cause odds are that is what the experience will be.

I poked at a few times, and I was ahead(ish) but quit as soon as I realized the goo was soulbound. I really dislike soulbound non-weapons/items.

try 250 1 time… POOF

50 ecto and 150g back..

Try to use 50 for about 20+ time

end up15 ectos and same amout of gold b4 I started…

RNG hate me today…

In the RNG thread that John Smith(ArenaNet’s economist started)players are all pretty down about RNG in this game and what does he do? He adds another gambling mechanism. GG, bro.

Iason Evan.3806:

In the RNG thread that John Smith(ArenaNet’s economist started)players are all pretty down about RNG in this game and what does he do? He adds another completely voluntary gambling mechanism. GG, bro.

FTFY

Iason Evan.3806:

In the RNG thread that John Smith(ArenaNet’s economist started)players are all pretty down about RNG in this game and what does he do? He adds another gambling mechanism. GG, bro.

and why you/ the downed players play this OPTiONAL (new) part of the game? (instead of the rng system at loot you DONT need it to play if you dont want, also same thing with mystic toilet) –> cause YOU/the downed players hoping for the big JACKPOT

GG to yourself/ the downed players

Ps

Let’s close all casinos in real life cause some cant deal with their gambling addiction and loose everything

Iason Evan.3806:

In the RNG thread that John Smith(ArenaNet’s economist started)players are all pretty down about RNG in this game and what does he do? He adds another gambling mechanism. GG, bro.

In that same thread, no one has been able to propose alternative mechanics that are better in all the relevant dimensions. RNG in gaming rewards is like democracy as a political system: as bad as it is at times, it beats the alternatives.

Plus, some people like to gamble, especially with digital coins.

the alternative to RNG is a system where the only way to achieve rewards is to put in an arbitrary amount of work – ie, gold, and buying off the tp.
If you don’t like the rng system, you simply don’t have to play with it – grind out the gold to meet TP prices on the thing you want.

Just dumped 1k ectos 400g for the 250 ecto+100g pack and it left me with about 450g loss

I swear to God everyone I’ve seen with legendaries just gamble their ectos for fun and come out on top with like 1,000g+ or roll rares in the forge and out comes precursors like it’s common loot and then when I try with all my hard earned gold I lose it all. Over my years of playing I found that everytime I try stuff with RNG involved anet comes out with the finger “*#%!% YOU AND YOUR HARD EARNED GOLD!” With around 2500g including 4000gems that I bought myself on my birthday lost to RNG since 2012. I usually run around with 300-450% magic find and I feel like this accounts fate was made upon creation to have THE kittentiest luck ever. After losing everything I now quit this game.

There are far more losers than winners in the forge. People just say when they win not when they lose. Human nature to show off.
2500g wasted you couldv’e bought as lengendary. It’s a long term goal remember slowly slowy catchy monkey. As i say to guildies etc save up and dont spend and gamble, yes it takes a while but it is achieveable.
And as customary on these occasions i must be the first to say can i have your stuff lol.

ToT.7018:

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And as customary on these occasions i must be the first to say can i have your stuff lol.

I was going to ask, but he said he lost everything already, so, I figured it wasn’t worth it.

don’t throw away money on randomness of the forge. Use you head what its better a sure recipe or a gamble.

Mourningcry.9428:

ToT.7018:

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And as customary on these occasions i must be the first to say can i have your stuff lol.

I was going to ask, but he said he lost everything already, so, I figured it wasn’t worth it.

Yer noticed that to, but we cant break with tradition can we 8-)

Take me as example: Have crafted a eternity, and the bifrost. Have all upgrades possible on my acc. Also, had a little over 1600g 2 weeks ago.

Gambled with ecto, and got down to 5g, and 76/100 on the skritt support. You logic fails on me.

Still, I farmed sivlerwastes the last 2 weeks (2h/day) , ONLY playing, not gambling with anything else, and what do you think? Got back to ~200 g. Thats in 2 weeks playing.

TL:DR – The lazy get poorer, The player get richer.

ToT.7018:

There are far more losers than winners in the forge. People just say when they win not when they lose. Human nature to show off.
2500g wasted you couldv’e bought as lengendary. It’s a long term goal remember slowly slowy catchy monkey. As i say to guildies etc save up and dont spend and gamble, yes it takes a while but it is achieveable.
And as customary on these occasions i must be the first to say can i have your stuff lol.

I could have a few legendaries by now but whenever I get past the 500g mark like 700-900g I end up blowing it all on the forge after so many guildies and people in map chat pinging their precursors saying kitten like “300g #worth” I always end up depressed after my many failed attempts. Then anet just adds this ecto gambler to make it worse and I even had to sell my pet undead chicken to fuel my newly found gambling addiction where I then lost it all. I have nothing tradeable, just a lot of skins on my account sorry.

Ha lol, You are just unlucky.
I have played for only 400 hours and only need 21% map completition (hardest part) for my Twilight. I have spent like 60-80 gold for my precursor in the forge. Yesterday I hit also the jackpot at the ecto gamble :O.

Some are blessed with RNG and some are not.

ToT.7018:

Yer noticed that to, but we cant break with tradition can we 8-)

So true… thinking about it, it’s kinda rude to just quit without having anything to give away.

See you in-game 2mrw OP

nobody really wants your items LimitBreaker, it’s just a thing the forum does when people leave.
I would much rather you lift your spirits get back into the game and hopefully learn a valuable if not painful lesson. Just keep playing save your gold and put it down to expercience and resist the urge to gamble which hopefully now you now know is not worth it.
Good luck whether you stay in game or not, but i’m sure we all wish you to stay and play on.
All the best
Tot

More like, the smart get richer, the dumb get poorer.

A rich person would never gamble more than 10-20% of their money on any single thing, that is how you lose it all. I typically have investments in 40-50 different items, and if I gamble at all I only do so with a set amount of money, usually 10% of my liquid gold.

I don’t buy frivolous things, and I farm my own mats even if it takes me an extra few weeks. Everyone is playing the same game, starting from the same point.

MauricioCezar.2673:

Take me as example: Have crafted a eternity, and the bifrost. Have all upgrades possible on my acc. Also, had a little over 1600g 2 weeks ago.

Gambled with ecto, and got down to 5g, and 76/100 on the skritt support. You logic fails on me.

Still, I farmed sivlerwastes the last 2 weeks (2h/day) , ONLY playing, not gambling with anything else, and what do you think? Got back to ~200 g. Thats in 2 weeks playing.

TL:DR – The lazy get poorer, The player get richer.

I’m not lazy, I farmed that gold all by myself from dungeons to frost gorge to the now new farm silverwastes where I spammed “F” everyday. The difference between me and you is that you already have legendaries, you barely have anything to worry about. I have yet to loot or even buy a precursor to make a legendary the closest I’ve gotten to a legendary is elonian wine.

But you can just farm and buy the precursor. taking the route of gambling, is the “Lazy” way to do it. I bought dawn, and I bought legend, and I bought dusk. Farming, playing, whatever.

That’s not lazy, that’s risky.
Also, I’ll have my frivolous stuff over a second job thank you very much.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

More like, the smart get richer, the dumb get poorer.

A rich person would never gamble more than 10-20% of their money on any single thing, that is how you lose it all. I typically have investments in 40-50 different items, and if I gamble at all I only do so with a set amount of money, usually 10% of my liquid gold.

I don’t buy frivolous things, and I farm my own mats even if it takes me an extra few weeks. Everyone is playing the same game, starting from the same point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=pyo-N7KsaeY
Watch this and tell me that doesn’t make you wanna try it. What you say is true though… I was dumb for going all or nothing and should’ve quit while I was even/ahead but greed just got to me :/

250 ecto + 100g i got 50 ecto and 25g worth of junk item = not worth.

LimitBreaker.4165:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

More like, the smart get richer, the dumb get poorer.

A rich person would never gamble more than 10-20% of their money on any single thing, that is how you lose it all. I typically have investments in 40-50 different items, and if I gamble at all I only do so with a set amount of money, usually 10% of my liquid gold.

I don’t buy frivolous things, and I farm my own mats even if it takes me an extra few weeks. Everyone is playing the same game, starting from the same point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=pyo-N7KsaeY
Watch this and tell me that doesn’t make you wanna try it. What you say is true though… I was dumb for going all or nothing and should’ve quit while I was even/ahead but greed just got to me :/

Oh I tried it… went through about 300 of the ascended globs. Made a 2000g profit. It was fun. Stopped after that though, too much pressure.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Oh I tried it… went through about 300 of the ascended globs. Made a 2000g profit. It was fun. Stopped after that though, too much pressure.

I’d say I went maybe 20x before losing all my gold but like I said most of the rich just end up making more.

In total i’ve done ~300 ascended glob gambles.

I honestly didn’t keep very close track of how I was doing. Sold all the excess ectos at the end, about 4000 of them. Ended up with an overall gain of about 2500g, give or take a few hundred. I was closer to 3500g up at the 200 mark, but I got greedy and lost some of it on the last 100.

Try being the WvW workhorse that gets all those bonuses the PvE people use to get even richer even though they get 20 times the rewards. XD

GW2 economy fail lol

Boy I love these posts.

“I see other people winning, so let me dump all of my money into RNG even though I’ve already been burned and understand there is a good chance I will lose it all, but since I’ve seen at least two or three people win, clearly it must be worth it”

“OMG I lost my money!! Anet I hate you! I quit!”

For every person with a legendary that you see winning 1000s of gold, there are at least 20 people that have lost money. Or do you not realize that’s how gambling works?

The vast vast majority of people I’ve seen in map chat who are discussing the Mystic Forge are discussing it because they are complaining about wasting their money. I can go months between posts of people exclaiming how they got a precursor from it or anything remotely good from it.

You’re not alone in the luck department though. I’ve played since launch and I’ve never gotten a hold of a single item of significant value. I’ve already accepted that I’ll never have a Legendary because I’ll never be able to afford to buy every needed ingredient outright. There are still some nice skins out there to have fun with that aren’t Legendary.

Actually, most stories I hear about people losing money are from rich people who lose thousands of gold. And on the topic of getting gold, it isn’t very hard, there are so many easy ways to get money compared to many other games.

I stick to the cheapest gamble (in order to increase the number of attempts thereby getting closer to the expected outcome) and have noticed a trend in which you gain Ecto and lose gold.

Using the more expensive gambles will result in wildly varying outcomes (massive wins and massive losses).

It sounds like you might have a gambling problem. If you do this in real life with your real money, I highly suggest looking into gambling helplines. Gambling addiction is a serious problem and can be just as destructive as things like alcohol or drug addictions.

Well, the gamble won’t lose you money if you just buy the cheapest option each time. It is slow but if you are unlucky you lose no money. I got about 10g out of it.

Well this got very dark, very quickly
O.o

Meh, this topic title is misleading. You’re just having bad luck at gambling. Say this prayer to RNGesus beforehand the next time you use the forge.

Oh RNGesus, who art in the cloud.

Hallowed by thy dice.

Thy precursor come,

Thy rolls be done,

On earth as it is in the forums.

Give us this day our weekly drops

And forgive us our greed

as we forgive those getting exotics they already have

And lead us not into farming,

but deliver us from glitches.

For thine are the precursors,

and the power, and the glory,

for ever and ever, (or “until the patch comes out”)

Amen.

Of course you lose your wealth if you choose to gamble it away. Stop gambling and it will be fine. Use your wealth in non-risky ways.

I have crafted two legendaries and have pretty good overall wealth, 0 RNG or gambles involved.