Guild Wars 2

Its the lowest it has been in 3 years. It looks like it will continue to go down. I wonder how low it will go.

Pretty low I expect. But if you read the thread by the people doing the Auric Basin multi loot, they think it’s great and have many reasons why,

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Auric-Basin-Loot-Exploit-merged

I was looking at it, just didn’t see anything but arguing do you know what page its on?

As long as 100s of people can farm 50 ectos within 30min every 2 hours it will drop. There is only so much you can do with ectos and other items start to become the bottlenecks of the economy.

I’ve read that thread. The argument is spread out on many posts. It’s basically that low prices are good for crafting and everyone who is doing the AB multi loot is making lots of gold and if you want to make gold you should be doing it also.

Well if its that good its probibly going to be nerfed eventually. I wonder what anet will focus. I am going to guess they will nerf the chests and maybe the amount of map currency they give out.

Maybe I should stop talking about it so much since it will just get merged with that thread.

They thought it would get nerfed before LS 3. Now I do not think so.

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price, too much rare armor is being dropped plus it’s very easy to salvage quickly now resulting in lots of runes, ectos and a bit of mats.

Plus it’s not an all time low, just a local minima. Since the start of June we’ve gone from a TP supply of ectos at 27K and they’re now over 700K. That helped drive the price down from 55s to around 30s each.

Do you reckon it’s a good time to buy ectos if saving for crafting, or best to wait a little bit if they drop further?

I dont think so, once they hit 25 silver or less you probibly should. But thats with the understanding that anet will not nerf it anytime soon. Now if they nerf it soon yeah you should buy…. so it depends on if you think anet will do anything.

Behellagh.1468:

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price,

The bulk of rare runes is priced at 4 times the vendor value of 30c or higher.

I think the problem here is that many people think or expect that ectos SHOULD be considered a high value item. Why is this I wonder? Is it because they were THE item for this in GW1? Perhaps people need to let go of that and realise that this is a different game and things have changed?

Lets face it, in THIS game Ectos are just “another” material just like the many of others that are needed for crafting. Perhaps it’s a change of view that people need here and a different way of looking at it?

Wanze.8410:

Behellagh.1468:

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price,

The bulk of rare runes is priced at 4 times the vendor value of 30c or higher.

Are you sure? Dont think ive ever vendored a rare rune at under 1 silver and I vendor them all unless i run out of bag space

Randulf.7614:

Wanze.8410:

Behellagh.1468:

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price,

The bulk of rare runes is priced at 4 times the vendor value of 30c or higher.

Are you sure? Dont think ive ever vendored a rare rune at under 1 silver and I vendor them all unless i run out of bag space

Yep, I got the vendor value wrong, at least partially. I checked a couple of the rare runes with the lowest buy order prices and their vendor value was 30c.
So I thought all rare runes have a vendor value of 30c but there are plenty with a vendor value of 108c.

Only thing thats gonna drive prices back up is the introduction of massive ecto sinks. Legendary armor will probably be one when they finally get around to introducing that. Hopefully they add some sweet new mystic forge recipes or something that requires stacks of ectos. Even then with the massive influx of ectos from AB Multimap I doubt very much that the price will ever go back up over 30-35s again.

I personally find Bloodstone Fen and the new Ember Bay also highly farmable for rares, but the mean reason for the price drop, like Foss.4830 said there is no major sink for Ecto, or at least not one that people are interested in, the new Legendary may soak up some Ecto but its a Mace, how many will really want it, if it had been a greatsword then you would have seen more Ecto being bought up.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Wanze.8410:

Behellagh.1468:

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price,

The bulk of rare runes is priced at 4 times the vendor value of 30c or higher.

Major runes you get from salvaging armor bought off the TP vend at 1.08s. Major runes you craft are vend at 30s but you can’t get them from armor on the TP. Due to TP fees and taxes, the 1.08s major runes can’t be priced less than 1.28s. Right now those are hovering around 1.29 to 1.31s.

A year ago they were over 4 silver.

Behellagh.1468:

Wanze.8410:

Behellagh.1468:

It’s tied to the same reason rare runes are virtually at vendor price,

The bulk of rare runes is priced at 4 times the vendor value of 30c or higher.

Major runes you get from salvaging armor bought off the TP vend at 1.08s. Major runes you craft are vend at 30s but you can’t get them from armor on the TP. Due to TP fees and taxes, the 1.08s major runes can’t be priced less than 1.28s. Right now those are hovering around 1.29 to 1.31s.

A year ago they were over 4 silver.

yeah, see my last post. I wonder how vendoring undesired mats and components ranks on the list of gold faucets.
Right now the amount of individual items listed at vendor value + 15% (and therefore gets mostly vendored directly and creating a gold faucet) is still quite low, compared to the overall amount of individual items traded. But if a high enough percentage of items would hit vendor value, I would guess that it could have a great impact on the economy.

Its surprising ecto prices have lasted as long as they have. every month it feels like I got another stack of ecto for just random gw2 play.

It will be worthless soon because of all the ab exploiters.

Ectos have an enormous amount of uses so their price falling this slowly is not really surprising to me. You can salvage them, you need them for hundreds of recipes and forges including legendaries. I do agree that earning ectos seems to be super easy now. I have earned 2 stacks just casually playing (and even whilst still consuming them for recipes in the meantime). For now I just sit on mine, the ecto gambling vendor also keeps them in some demand and the cheaper they are the better your chances of earning more than you invest (although generally the house wins :P ).

Foss.4830:

Only thing thats gonna drive prices back up is the introduction of massive ecto sinks.

Or just nerf AB Multiloot. The price for ectos was consistently in the same range until AB/ML, with minor variations during various special events. It didn’t start driving down as quickly until AB/ML. My guess, if AB meta ends up working like the other HoT maps (one map of chests per victory, not 8+), the price of ecto will hit 40 silver within 4 months, even without new ecto sinks.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Foss.4830:

Only thing thats gonna drive prices back up is the introduction of massive ecto sinks.

Or just nerf AB Multiloot. The price for ectos was consistently in the same range until AB/ML, with minor variations during various special events. It didn’t start driving down as quickly until AB/ML. My guess, if AB meta ends up working like the other HoT maps (one map of chests per victory, not 8+), the price of ecto will hit 40 silver within 4 months, even without new ecto sinks.

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem? I dont think that there is anything particular wrong with low ecto prices. And the lower the price gets, average rewards from AB will nerf itself. You already get 40% less gold for your ectos compared to six months ago.

One negative effect that comes to mind is that AB is so lucrative, that other content doesnt look rewarding anymore and leads to a congested population spread, which isnt very healthy for the game in general.

Wanze.8410:

One negative effect that comes to mind is that AB is so lucrative, that other content doesnt look rewarding anymore and leads to a congested population spread, which isnt very healthy for the game in general.

This is probably the biggest concern for me. I think Tangled Depths/Gerent has particularly suffered because of it. It’s also concentrating turnout at the boss time as well rather than helping Auric map population in a wider context.

Hmm … the prices only started dropping in June but the patch was in April.

People blame AB multiloot but seems to have forgotten about the rares that are being handed out from other events. I haven’t really been keeping track but I know that I’ve been getting 1 or 2 rare containers from random events. Mostly in VB but that is just because that is where I play the most.

Wanze.8410:

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem?

There is no apparent problem now. But what if they want to “fix” the price of ectos and as someone else said, they add an ecto sink? That ecto sink would be a terrible idea, instead of fixing the supply of ectos from that particular activity (which is way higher than any other) they’d add a completely irrelevant ecto sink in order to “fix” the problem.

So while it’s not a problem, it might be if they see it as a problem and try to fix it in a wrong way.

maddoctor.2738:

Wanze.8410:

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem?

There is no apparent problem now. But what if they want to “fix” the price of ectos and as someone else said, they add an ecto sink? That ecto sink would be a terrible idea, instead of fixing the supply of ectos from that particular activity (which is way higher than any other) they’d add a completely irrelevant ecto sink in order to “fix” the problem.

So while it’s not a problem, it might be if they see it as a problem and try to fix it in a wrong way.

Before adding any ecto sinks the question to ask is why the existing ones aren’t eating up enough.

On the other hand … I am pretty sure I acquire ectos faster than hardened leather …. -_-

Khisanth.2948:

maddoctor.2738:

Wanze.8410:

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem?

There is no apparent problem now. But what if they want to “fix” the price of ectos and as someone else said, they add an ecto sink? That ecto sink would be a terrible idea, instead of fixing the supply of ectos from that particular activity (which is way higher than any other) they’d add a completely irrelevant ecto sink in order to “fix” the problem.

So while it’s not a problem, it might be if they see it as a problem and try to fix it in a wrong way.

Before adding any ecto sinks the question to ask is why the existing ones aren’t eating up enough.

On the other hand … I am pretty sure I acquire ectos faster than hardened leather …. -_-

A better question is “Is the supply too high maybe?”

Anet could also consider to nerf the ecto salvage rate from 0.9 to 0.7 per salvage

Khisanth.2948:

Hmm … the prices only started dropping in June but the patch was in April.

People blame AB multiloot but seems to have forgotten about the rares that are being handed out from other events. I haven’t really been keeping track but I know that I’ve been getting 1 or 2 rare containers from random events. Mostly in VB but that is just because that is where I play the most.

multiloot took a while to figure out and get highly publicized. you should expect a lag between its inception, its spread to common knowledge, and the price of affected materials.

maddoctor.2738:

Khisanth.2948:

maddoctor.2738:

Wanze.8410:

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem?

There is no apparent problem now. But what if they want to “fix” the price of ectos and as someone else said, they add an ecto sink? That ecto sink would be a terrible idea, instead of fixing the supply of ectos from that particular activity (which is way higher than any other) they’d add a completely irrelevant ecto sink in order to “fix” the problem.

So while it’s not a problem, it might be if they see it as a problem and try to fix it in a wrong way.

Before adding any ecto sinks the question to ask is why the existing ones aren’t eating up enough.

On the other hand … I am pretty sure I acquire ectos faster than hardened leather …. -_-

A better question is “Is the supply too high maybe?”

Maybe but for example if I wanted to craft a set of medium armor. If I don’t have enough leather then it doesn’t matter how much ectos I have since more leather than ectos is necessary. The ratios matter more than the supplies for the individual items. The leather is just an example, it could be anything else that is used in conjunction with ectos.

Even if ecto supplies have remained constant their prices still would have dropped due to things like ascended boxes dropping which means there is less need to use ectos for crafting. Then there is the fact that eventually the majority of people will have as many character fully geared as they are interested in and they will have no more conventional use for ectos.

You can thank the AB multi-loot exploiters for this, and ANET’s failure to fix it.

kurfu.5623:

You can thank the AB multi-loot exploiters for this, and ANET’s failure to fix it.

Considering their lack of removing any discussion of AB multi-loot or locking threads that mention it, it’s most likely that ANet doesn’t consider it an exploit at this time.

Malediktus.3740:

Anet could also consider to nerf the ecto salvage rate from 0.9 to 0.7 per salvage

That would be bad. There was a time when I made my money from salvaging and selling ectos. All dropping the salvage rate will do is depress the rare item market because a factor in their current price is their worth in salvage. It’ll take time for the ecto supply to drain enough for it’s price to recover.

I have yet to see any argument as to why Ectos need to be more expensive. As much as I disagree with AB multiloot, that isn’t the focus of this thread, and even if it has affected the price of ectos, not one person has responded as to how and why that is a bad thing.

^^ because runes are now junk and annoying bag fillers, same with many drops. Drops needs to be a bit fun, and ectos offers that little boost where you know getting a rare is a good thing rather than another junk generator.

A rare drop gives 0-3 ectos, so value range between 0 and 90 silver or so. imagine they dropped to 3 silver – 0-9 silver is not rewarding at all.

kurfu.5623:

You can thank the AB multi-loot exploiters for this, and ANET’s failure to fix it.

Thank you for making ectos more affordable Anet failures and sploiters!!! love you!

Ecto’s value is primarily set by requiring their use in crafting rare and exotic gear as well as that gear being the primary source from salvaging them. Since HoT they were also needed in large amounts for GH upgrades. Because of the gear aspect they are the cornerstone of the game’s economy as they help set the minimum price of gear on the TP which influences the price of MF created precursors. Salvaging also creates mats that can’t be easily farmed from the environment although the new cloth and leather nodes in GH and WvW are creating an impact in supply and thus price, once supply is satiated.

Now I think ANet is happier with 25-30 silver price for them than anything lower.

Malediktus.3740:

Anet could also consider to nerf the ecto salvage rate from 0.9 to 0.7 per salvage

How about not?

Obtena.7952:

Thank you for making ectos more affordable Anet failures and sploiters!!! love you!

Every coin has 2 sides.

That’s one side.

vesica tempestas.1563:

^^ because runes are now junk and annoying bag fillers, same with many drops. Drops needs to be a bit fun, and ectos offers that little boost where you know getting a rare is a good thing rather than another junk generator.

A rare drop gives 0-3 ectos, so value range between 0 and 90 silver or so. imagine they dropped to 3 silver – 0-9 silver is not rewarding at all.

That’s an argument for a better drop system, not that ectos need to be expensive. Many people are set in this mindset that they just need to be expensive just because they need to be.

Behellagh.1468:

Malediktus.3740:

Anet could also consider to nerf the ecto salvage rate from 0.9 to 0.7 per salvage

That would be bad. There was a time when I made my money from salvaging and selling ectos. All dropping the salvage rate will do is depress the rare item market because a factor in their current price is their worth in salvage. It’ll take time for the ecto supply to drain enough for it’s price to recover.

Only lazy people sell their rares anyway

Wanze.8410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Foss.4830:

Only thing thats gonna drive prices back up is the introduction of massive ecto sinks.

Or just nerf AB Multiloot. The price for ectos was consistently in the same range until AB/ML, with minor variations during various special events. It didn’t start driving down as quickly until AB/ML. My guess, if AB meta ends up working like the other HoT maps (one map of chests per victory, not 8+), the price of ecto will hit 40 silver within 4 months, even without new ecto sinks.

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem? I dont think that there is anything particular wrong with low ecto prices. And the lower the price gets, average rewards from AB will nerf itself. You already get 40% less gold for your ectos compared to six months ago.

One negative effect that comes to mind is that AB is so lucrative, that other content doesnt look rewarding anymore and leads to a congested population spread, which isnt very healthy for the game in general.

You missed the point to which I was responding: someone said the only way for ecto prices to rise again would be to add sinks. I responded by saying that it’s not the only way; ANet could nerf a single source and that would also IMO cause ecto prices to rise. I wasn’t offering an opinion about whether ANet should or shouldn’t change AB/ML

As it happens, I expect that ANet will nerf AB/ML at some point. Not because there’s anything wrong with low ecto prices — in fact, I suspect they are taking their time in part because they like the market disruption caused by AB/ML, especially the supply of leather and cloth.

The problem with AB being so lucrative is that, by comparison, everything else is less lucrative. It’s not just congestion in AB, it’s also that loot everywhere else is worth less, because the supply from AB/ML is far and above greater than what folks can get through other methods.

That means that AB/ML participants get richer quicker and non-participants won’t. That’s not good for the game in the long run, which is why I think ANet will nerf AB/ML.

I don’t have any opinion about whether they should or not. I’m expressing my opinion on what I think they will do based on actions they have taken in the past.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Wanze.8410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Foss.4830:

Only thing thats gonna drive prices back up is the introduction of massive ecto sinks.

Or just nerf AB Multiloot. The price for ectos was consistently in the same range until AB/ML, with minor variations during various special events. It didn’t start driving down as quickly until AB/ML. My guess, if AB meta ends up working like the other HoT maps (one map of chests per victory, not 8+), the price of ecto will hit 40 silver within 4 months, even without new ecto sinks.

Why should it be nerfed? I mean, whats the problem? I dont think that there is anything particular wrong with low ecto prices. And the lower the price gets, average rewards from AB will nerf itself. You already get 40% less gold for your ectos compared to six months ago.

One negative effect that comes to mind is that AB is so lucrative, that other content doesnt look rewarding anymore and leads to a congested population spread, which isnt very healthy for the game in general.

You missed the point to which I was responding: someone said the only way for ecto prices to rise again would be to add sinks. I responded by saying that it’s not the only way; ANet could nerf a single source and that would also IMO cause ecto prices to rise. I wasn’t offering an opinion about whether ANet should or shouldn’t change AB/ML

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As it happens, I expect that ANet will nerf AB/ML at some point. Not because there’s anything wrong with low ecto prices — in fact, I suspect they are taking their time in part because they like the market disruption caused by AB/ML, especially the supply of leather and cloth.

The problem with AB being so lucrative is that, by comparison, everything else is less lucrative. It’s not just congestion in AB, it’s also that loot everywhere else is worth less, because the supply from AB/ML is far and above greater than what folks can get through other methods.

That means that AB/ML participants get richer quicker and non-participants won’t. That’s not good for the game in the long run, which is why I think ANet will nerf AB/ML.

I don’t have any opinion about whether they should or not. I’m expressing my opinion on what I think they will do based on actions they have taken in the past.

well you cant get much hardened leather from ab. or hard wood. or linen or any other low lvl mats from ab. at least not in reasonable numbers. you go to other places for that.all you really get from ab is highest tier wood and leather and ectos.
edit: i would also like to mention that ab and all other meta pops are low since ember bay came in. and have not recovered. should we nerf ember bay also?

AB is the best source of Hardened LEather because it’s the best source of assorted random junk, and there’s no way to farm Leather reliably (And ANet wonders why people aren’t farming it).

The problem with the AB Multiloot is the way it concentrates material wealth into those who participate in it – any tweaks to ecto source that don’t address the AB multiloot hurts everyone else disproportionately more than the multilooters.

OriOri.8724:

I have yet to see any argument as to why Ectos need to be more expensive. As much as I disagree with AB multiloot, that isn’t the focus of this thread, and even if it has affected the price of ectos, not one person has responded as to how and why that is a bad thing.

I already posted a reason why it might be a bad thing. If the devs see it as bad thing and add an extra sink to it.

I don’t care about AB multi loot, or SW chest farming (the best ways to get loads of rares) but if they introduce something that requires way too many ectos (an extra sink) I’ll be more pushed to go there to get mine. So now it’s not a problem, it WILL be a problem if/when Anet decides ecto price must stop dropping and instead of fixing what is driving it down (over-supply) they introduce a new sink.

Sartharina.3542:

AB is the best source of Hardened LEather because it’s the best source of assorted random junk, and there’s no way to farm Leather reliably (And ANet wonders why people aren’t farming it).

The problem with the AB Multiloot is the way it concentrates material wealth into those who participate in it – any tweaks to ecto source that don’t address the AB multiloot hurts everyone else disproportionately more than the multilooters.

sw gives WAY more hardened leather than ab. so im assuming you want people from queensdale to be able to farm the same amount of ectos as everywhere else.

OriOri.8724:

vesica tempestas.1563:

^^ because runes are now junk and annoying bag fillers, same with many drops. Drops needs to be a bit fun, and ectos offers that little boost where you know getting a rare is a good thing rather than another junk generator.

A rare drop gives 0-3 ectos, so value range between 0 and 90 silver or so. imagine they dropped to 3 silver – 0-9 silver is not rewarding at all.

That’s an argument for a better drop system, not that ectos need to be expensive. Many people are set in this mindset that they just need to be expensive just because they need to be.

ooook then. I was actually responding to the post about the benefits of having high value items that ‘may’ drop. The market is driven by supply and demand, and having 1 single event out of thousands so out of kilter that is is affecting the entire market is clearly broken. The fix is to correct this rogue event that is being abused, not change an entire drop system that has been in place for years..

I suggest npc from mists/envoy that will help progress maps with meta event and small populace. Something like siegerazer in wvw. Metarazer? Maybe new maps will come with farm new materials with many recipes and maybe some players will move. DT/SW/CS/FS are farm maps avaible for all players so they still will be populated to some degree.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Obtena.7952:

Thank you for making ectos more affordable Anet failures and sploiters!!! love you!

Every coin has 2 sides.

That’s one side.

That’s right … don’t pretty the other side hasn’t flipped a few times either … Good reminder for everyone QQing about the price.