Guild Wars 2

Yeah, its pretty boring.

And jungle everywhere with demon plants.

Who thinks up this rubbish?

Thank god I like spvp other game alternatives…

Right, so this QQ is on the bases that U want the Elite specialisation for free?.. claiming this is a barrier and not content?..

Right, so No PvEr is going to raid?… No PvEr will do world Bosses?…. No PvEr could possibly have interests in WvW, Litterally 100% of the community complete Quests then AFK in main towns for the Rest of their lives?… Not even guild missions?….

im sorry but the statements ridiculous, theres NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND THE kitten THINGS ON, ofcourse this new specialization was GOING to involve hero points its Funded EVERY OTHER specialization throughout Guild Wars 2, to claim its suddenly wrong is ridiculous.

there is 0 terrible decisions made, dragonhunters great and is performing well in PvE and PvP and the reasons to refuse having it all together is ridiculous, to claim it was a waste of money without the elite is ridiculous, as im pretty sure PvErs mainly bought this Expansion FOR THE NEW PVE CONTENT.

400 hero points is steep, i did feel like maybe slightly too high, but to outright Say theres 0 justification to it.. and nothing to do after u’ve done it is just bullcrap, i did feel it should be on the Same sorta guideline of grind for any other Specialization, as these elites are ment to ADD to the proffession and not replace it, so the reasoning for it to be so much higher then the rest is ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, some inconviences exist.

Those Hero Points in Heart of Thorns are utterly bad.

5min for killing a champ solo which not only hit like a truck, also CC and heals up or stealth.

100% Hero Point in World Completion pre-hot made it like ~50% of Elite spec, and now it’s gonna take few days till finish it up for solo players, because they need to group up for those stuff.

Hero Points where NPC standing to it says “You’re not worthy” and implies that you should come later when you prolly get better masteries – rofl.

Anet, you were told many times – don’t use NCSoft cards.

Yet just like always you never listen to customers.

People are choking with this system and you believe people have fun – so you’ll state it in the end as well.

Instead of locking us out this way from Elite Specialization, you should rather focus on making more masteries for wider content.

Why not making Masteries for PvP players who are ranked 80?
Such that give access to various NPCs with various good etc?

Why not making a special Masteries for WvW?
Like buffing surrounding ally NPCs – like Dolly Event etc.

Well, congratulations on implementing NCSoft Grind thing that Koreans love so much.
I’m sure muricans and Europeans love it.

Drayos.8759:

Right, so this QQ is on the bases that U want the Elite specialisation for free?.. claiming this is a barrier and not content?..

Right, so No PvEr is going to raid?… No PvEr will do world Bosses?…. No PvEr could possibly have interests in WvW, Litterally 100% of the community complete Quests then AFK in main towns for the Rest of their lives?… Not even guild missions?….

im sorry but the statements ridiculous, theres NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND THE kitten THINGS ON, ofcourse this new specialization was GOING to involve hero points its Funded EVERY OTHER specialization throughout Guild Wars 2, to claim its suddenly wrong is ridiculous.

there is 0 terrible decisions made, dragonhunters great and is performing well in PvE and PvP and the reasons to refuse having it all together is ridiculous, to claim it was a waste of money without the elite is ridiculous, as im pretty sure PvErs mainly bought this Expansion FOR THE NEW PVE CONTENT.

400 hero points is steep, i did feel like maybe slightly too high, but to outright Say theres 0 justification to it.. and nothing to do after u’ve done it is just bullcrap, i did feel it should be on the Same sorta guideline of grind for any other Specialization, as these elites are ment to ADD to the proffession and not replace it, so the reasoning for it to be so much higher then the rest is ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, some inconviences exist.

When I picked my profession at launch, I got to play as it. I didn’t need to play anything else to unlock it. I could use all of the weapons, and only with about a 5 minute commitment I could use all weapons.

I could use the hero points to get other things like sigils, signets, meditations, etc… and that’s fine because the costs were reasonable and well within my level range.

Currently, I’ll have to complete the entire expansions Hero Challenges to actually get to play Dragon Hunter at lvl 80 capacity, so I can do all the wonderful PvE stuff you were talking about: world bosses, dungeons, raids, etc… Except for half that stuff, I’ve already done it plenty of times. I’ll do all the new content with my normal Guardian, so I can get Dragon Hunter, and do all the stuff I’ve been doing over and over and over again.

I’m not asking for something for free; I’m asking to be able to play something I paid money to have access to in a reasonable amount of time, at a reasonable point of the game.

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

bLind.6278:

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

Oh they do. Should check out the main topic under heart of thorns discussion .
Elite Specializations & Hero Point Feedback [Merged].

over 50k views and 2k posts and most are negative and critical solutions out of this mess.

At this point I think the moderator is just having a hard time keeping up with all the new topics that are really the same topic. Hero point system for elites is not fun.

Drayos.8759:

Right, so this QQ is on the bases that U want the Elite specialisation for free?.. claiming this is a barrier and not content?..

Right, so No PvEr is going to raid?… No PvEr will do world Bosses?…. No PvEr could possibly have interests in WvW, Litterally 100% of the community complete Quests then AFK in main towns for the Rest of their lives?… Not even guild missions?….

im sorry but the statements ridiculous, theres NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND THE kitten THINGS ON, ofcourse this new specialization was GOING to involve hero points its Funded EVERY OTHER specialization throughout Guild Wars 2, to claim its suddenly wrong is ridiculous.

there is 0 terrible decisions made, dragonhunters great and is performing well in PvE and PvP and the reasons to refuse having it all together is ridiculous, to claim it was a waste of money without the elite is ridiculous, as im pretty sure PvErs mainly bought this Expansion FOR THE NEW PVE CONTENT.

400 hero points is steep, i did feel like maybe slightly too high, but to outright Say theres 0 justification to it.. and nothing to do after u’ve done it is just bullcrap, i did feel it should be on the Same sorta guideline of grind for any other Specialization, as these elites are ment to ADD to the proffession and not replace it, so the reasoning for it to be so much higher then the rest is ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, some inconviences exist.

So you’re saying the content is so poorly made that they have to “force” people into completing it or else they cannot get their elites? Ye, sounds about right.

Raids? Where?

leftyboy.9358:

bLind.6278:

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

Oh they do. Should check out the main topic under heart of thorns discussion .
Elite Specializations & Hero Point Feedback [Merged].

over 50k views and 2k posts and most are negative and critical solutions out of this mess.

At this point I think the moderator is just having a hard time keeping up with all the new topics that are really the same topic. Hero point system for elites is not fun.

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

Ever heard of character progression?
That’s what Masteries and Elite Specs are. Nobody ever claimed otherwise.

jmoak.7821:

leftyboy.9358:

bLind.6278:

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

Oh they do. Should check out the main topic under heart of thorns discussion .
Elite Specializations & Hero Point Feedback [Merged].

over 50k views and 2k posts and most are negative and critical solutions out of this mess.

At this point I think the moderator is just having a hard time keeping up with all the new topics that are really the same topic. Hero point system for elites is not fun.

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

And the active players will fall down to what was before the expansion. It’s not because they’re having fun, it’s because they cba and just leave.

jmoak.7821:

leftyboy.9358:

bLind.6278:

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

Oh they do. Should check out the main topic under heart of thorns discussion .
Elite Specializations & Hero Point Feedback [Merged].

over 50k views and 2k posts and most are negative and critical solutions out of this mess.

At this point I think the moderator is just having a hard time keeping up with all the new topics that are really the same topic. Hero point system for elites is not fun.

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

So only people who aren’t having fun are here posting? May I ask what you’re doing here then?

jmoak.7821:

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

I quit the game and having fun reading all these rage threads about new expansion huehue

Axelwarrior.9084:

Ever heard of character progression?
That’s what Masteries and Elite Specs are. Nobody ever claimed otherwise.

This. Instead of a gear grind and an increased level cap, they’ve gone with giving players progression in how they can interact with the world. You aren’t supposed to have everything at once. It’d be like if you played WoW and they just handed you whatever the new tier of gear was at the start of the expac instead of making you work for it.

Saying “the majority are annoyed with the expansion” is bluntly wrong, GW2 hit top 4 on Expansion Release day, If anything its brought even more players to the game kitten many positive reviews were made in twitch chats across the majority of the Streamers who streamed HoT Release.

The majority of Streamers and Players in game and via Twitch are Expressing nothing but love for the new elite specializations and New content released with this expansion, claiming the expansion has 0 raids?…. there was a ENTIRE video showing you the kitten Raids of this expansion you trying to say they last minute deleted all the content?…. Prolly unlikely have i been IN the raid zones, No… but theres ALOT of evidence provided which says they are in the game.

What else did you expect?…. As already said, Does anyone Reach top tiered Armour Within a half a week of Expansion Release? no… how about Before they’ve finished the Map Completion in the new zones? nope, EVERY MMORPG IN THE GOD kitten EXISTENCE has something in the game that actually takes MUCH Longer to achieve, just because GW2 ignore gear laddering doesnt Suddenly mean EVERYTHING proffession related has to be instant.

this is the Entire “I dont wanna pay for HoT” war all over again in ANOTHER aspect of the game, Im sorry, but EVERY MMORPG follows the trend of a Character progression, Weather its a Gear ladder, a Secondary levelling Source, Hero Point grinding Level Grinding Raid Farming or Whatever it exists in Every MMO, Just like Expansions Cost Money in EVERY GAME RELEASED..

this is why GW2 concept is great and also bad, Because Players become Adjusted to the Idea of 0 Effort for Everything and paying Nothing to be Entitled, its a great game but U never see these arguments about how quickly you reach the top in any other MMO because they are already come to terms with the fact each Expansion they’ll Spend 6+ Months Grinding out to have Everything…

Note: 6 months odd of Character Progression is BOX STANDARD for a MMORPG, if your looking for Instant pay offs, MoBAs are ur field of play, and Welcome to why MoBAs are Quickly taking over the Vast majority of gamers.

Incase you’ve NEVER Played EQ1 EQ2 or WoW, some of the very orginal bones to MMOs (i know they werent the first, they were some of the first to make the genre big)

Generally – a Expansion would Force you to Rip through 5 – 10 levels before u may even START grinding on character Progression, THen generally they’ll Rip u through grouping Just to qualify yourself to raid, this in itself for a casual player could take Multiple Weeks, thats right WEEKS to see the raids, Once you’ve Reached this point your on a Endless Spree of Farming with WEEKLY LOCKOUTS to achieve tier Armour.. to slowly progress through Each difficulty of Raid to achieve the Next stepping stone, Also some of these actually have Legendary weapons which take MONTHS of grinding.

Thats right MONTHS without having what they “paid for”…. Welcome to MMORPG History… and Welcome to what a MMO is…

jmoak.7821:

leftyboy.9358:

bLind.6278:

I wonder if Anet even realizes that a very large portion of their playerbase is not only unimpressed, but pretty kitten ed unhappy with the expansion.

Oh they do. Should check out the main topic under heart of thorns discussion .
Elite Specializations & Hero Point Feedback [Merged].

over 50k views and 2k posts and most are negative and critical solutions out of this mess.

At this point I think the moderator is just having a hard time keeping up with all the new topics that are really the same topic. Hero point system for elites is not fun.

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

Erm, not really, every topic on this or any game forum is the “vocal minority”, it is only a minority that use the forums and then only a minority of those that will post on any given thread, some topics will be a minority view, other will represent a large number of players, the game could go down for three days and only the “vocal minority” would post, but according to your “logic” the majority would be happy with that situation and happily playing the game, oh wait…

And as for the laughable implication that everyone playing the game finds nothing wrong with it, well, maybe I should record some TS or upload some screenshots of in game chat, to show what nonsense that is.

Drayos.8759:

Saying “the majority are annoyed with the expansion” is bluntly wrong, GW2 hit top 4 on Expansion Release day, If anything its brought even more players to the game kitten many positive reviews were made in twitch chats across the majority of the Streamers who streamed HoT Release.

That means nothing. Release hype is release hype. Anet could have released a wet fart and it would have made top 4.

why do people answer this argument with “oh you’re just expecting to get elites for free pfft”

IT IS NOT FREE ANYONE WHO CAN USE THE ELITE SPEC PAID FOR THE EXPANSION WITH REAL WORLD MONEY MOST LIKELY JUST TO PLAY THE SPEC!!!!!!!!!!

so yeah give me back my money then i will be happy to grind pve for it otherwise no its not fair or right to do this at all.

Grind Wars 2…………

1. Elite specializations may or may not be ‘interesting’ enough for someone to get, but needing 400 hero points to obtain it is indeed steep.

In order to get the desired points you need to do map completions (challenges) like never before, and that for each character…

2. the new lore forces you to grind to get as much exp as possible in order to level your new skills like gliding, which in fact, is grinding. There is no other way to put it.

3. On the other hand, the new map looks pretty awesome, the mobs are more ‘challenging’ and gliding and stuff (mushroom jumps…) are quite fun once you get there.

4. And lastly, the new system forces you to basically do everything ingame, like fractals, pvp reward track and WvW, in order to obtain certain items ingame.

This leaves players who only like the open world but dislike fractasl for example, or who don’t WvW, standing on one leg, if that.

My personal conclusion : is HoT worth getting ? Yes, IF you can manage to find the time and patience to learn every part of the game, even those parts you don’t like, because if you don’t, it’s a simple grindfest after the initial exploration and awe.
(and yes, most MMO’s are, but not all force you do do everything ingame, and who the H. launches a game at the same time as an unrelated event ?)

My 2 cents. (well, 50 € , i’ll enjoy it for now)

Sthenith.5196:

and who the H. launches a game at the same time as an unrelated event ?)

They wanted to give the people who didn’t get Hot something to do. You know, because they destroyed the Core game.

With the 400 grindo points insanity I’d pefer to get no elites at all, and instead get several new classes not just 1.

At least a new class is new from the start you’re not forced to grind away with a class you are either bored of or actively don’t like in order to eventually one day use a new spec that could make it fun or interesting again depending on how it’s going to be changed in the balancing rounds to come.

Do we think that everyone is going to stop complaining and calm down in a weeks time when they fully unlock their elite spec for their chosen mains?

Tao.5096:

Those Hero Points in Heart of Thorns are utterly bad.

5min for killing a champ solo which not only hit like a truck, also CC and heals up or stealth.

A few months ago: We want harder open world content ArenaNet!

Decently challenging hero point challenges that require you to group in a MMO are implemented.

Forums this week: We want easier open world content!

When I picked my profession at launch, I got to play as it. I didn’t need to play anything else to unlock it. I could use all of the weapons, and only with about a 5 minute commitment I could use all weapons.

Heh. You got to spend a long kitten time leveling your character, slowly unlocking all the things. Weapons unlocked a hell of a lot slower than they do today and rewards were a lot less.

2. the new lore forces you to grind to get as much exp as possible in order to level your new skills like gliding, which in fact, is grinding. There is no other way to put it.

You earn xp doing literally everything in this game. Grinding is doing the same thing over and over again. I did 4 Maguuma mastery points on launch night doing no grind at all (maybe ~50% of Verdant Brink).

bigbobpataki.4796:

Do we think that everyone is going to stop complaining and calm down in a weeks time when they fully unlock their elite spec for their chosen mains?

Tao.5096:

Those Hero Points in Heart of Thorns are utterly bad.

5min for killing a champ solo which not only hit like a truck, also CC and heals up or stealth.

A few months ago: We want harder open world content ArenaNet!

Decently challenging hero point challenges that require you to group in a MMO are implemented.

Forums this week: We want easier open world content!

I haven’t fought one of these champions yet but I’m pretty sure the people asking for this are asking for proper scaling not easier content. As it stands it seems these champions are not soloable (talking pure numbers of damage received and damage dealt) but get roflstomped by a passing zerg.

I haven’t fought one of these champions yet but I’m pretty sure the people asking for this are asking for proper scaling not easier content. As it stands it seems these champions are not soloable but get roflstomped by a passing zerg.

None of the enemy spawn hero points I’ve encountered are anywhere near passing zergs, you have to seek them out. Not that I’ve ever even seen a passing zerg in Verdant Brink. It’s rather similar to Dry Top in a lot of ways. The mechanics don’t really encourage zerging.

The champs I’ve encountered are reasonably soloable (I.E. a Husk that is only dangerous if you have no immob clear) but some do have time limits. Friendship recommended!

Zetsumei.4975:

bigbobpataki.4796:

Do we think that everyone is going to stop complaining and calm down in a weeks time when they fully unlock their elite spec for their chosen mains?

Tao.5096:

Those Hero Points in Heart of Thorns are utterly bad.

5min for killing a champ solo which not only hit like a truck, also CC and heals up or stealth.

A few months ago: We want harder open world content ArenaNet!

Decently challenging hero point challenges that require you to group in a MMO are implemented.

Forums this week: We want easier open world content!

I haven’t fought one of these champions yet but I’m pretty sure the people asking for this are asking for proper scaling not easier content. As it stands it seems these champions are not soloable (talking pure numbers of damage received and damage dealt) but get roflstomped by a passing zerg.

I can definitely see some concerns with them not scaling properly, as some really don’t, but I dont think they should be soloable.

Renim.6921:

Drayos.8759:

Right, so this QQ is on the bases that U want the Elite specialisation for free?.. claiming this is a barrier and not content?..

Right, so No PvEr is going to raid?… No PvEr will do world Bosses?…. No PvEr could possibly have interests in WvW, Litterally 100% of the community complete Quests then AFK in main towns for the Rest of their lives?… Not even guild missions?….

im sorry but the statements ridiculous, theres NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND THE kitten THINGS ON, ofcourse this new specialization was GOING to involve hero points its Funded EVERY OTHER specialization throughout Guild Wars 2, to claim its suddenly wrong is ridiculous.

there is 0 terrible decisions made, dragonhunters great and is performing well in PvE and PvP and the reasons to refuse having it all together is ridiculous, to claim it was a waste of money without the elite is ridiculous, as im pretty sure PvErs mainly bought this Expansion FOR THE NEW PVE CONTENT.

400 hero points is steep, i did feel like maybe slightly too high, but to outright Say theres 0 justification to it.. and nothing to do after u’ve done it is just bullcrap, i did feel it should be on the Same sorta guideline of grind for any other Specialization, as these elites are ment to ADD to the proffession and not replace it, so the reasoning for it to be so much higher then the rest is ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, some inconviences exist.

When I picked my profession at launch, I got to play as it. I didn’t need to play anything else to unlock it. I could use all of the weapons, and only with about a 5 minute commitment I could use all weapons.

I could use the hero points to get other things like sigils, signets, meditations, etc… and that’s fine because the costs were reasonable and well within my level range.

Currently, I’ll have to complete the entire expansions Hero Challenges to actually get to play Dragon Hunter at lvl 80 capacity, so I can do all the wonderful PvE stuff you were talking about: world bosses, dungeons, raids, etc… Except for half that stuff, I’ve already done it plenty of times. I’ll do all the new content with my normal Guardian, so I can get Dragon Hunter, and do all the stuff I’ve been doing over and over and over again.

I’m not asking for something for free; I’m asking to be able to play something I paid money to have access to in a reasonable amount of time, at a reasonable point of the game.

You can unlock your elite spec with just 65 hero points. After that the other points unlock traits and skills for that spec.

60 HP not 65 for the elite unlock.

1.) Dragon Hunter is not worth the 400 Hero Point investment. I don’t know how others feel, but the 400 Hero Points for an alternative style of play is quite frankly a complete and utter waste of my time. If ANet decides to carry on with this terrible decision, then once I decide to do the Hero Challenges, I’ll simply horde them so I can spend the points on something I’ll actually enjoy.

(utter waste of “my” time).. your opinion mate, i dont feel it’s a waste of my time to play my character differently.. (“I’ll” simply horde them) horde it, your choice of enjoyment. Dont want to? dont do it.. nothing in the game’s forcing you to choose elite specs since you feel it’s a waste of your time.

2.) Let me understand this: you want us to complete everything in the game to get our Elite spec so we can… sit around in Lion’s Arch? By the time me and any of the other people have our Elite Specs we will have completed ALL of the content of HoT, leaving us to do nothing but play repeat content in the game.

By the time you finish verdant brink, your nearly finished with elite spec if not 3/4rth +

3.) Making us earn hero points to unlock our specializations is not content, it’s a barrier. It doesn’t make me want to play the game, it simply makes me want to horde the Hero Points for the next Elite Specialization. When I pick up most other MMO’s, when I choose mage I get to play as a mage. I don’t have to roll a Rogue in order to play a Mage.

Where was your intelligence when you had to earn skill points to acquire skills?

4.) Don’t try to tell me that there is no leveling, when there totally is. Don’t try to sell me the whole “But your level isn’t going up!” BS because it’s insulting. Instead of your actual XP bar going up, your XP is replaced by Hero points. In order to gain these hero points you gotta do the challenges in HoT. The only difference is that certain things give you this type of “XP” instead of everything. Honestly, I would have rather had the level grind and the gear grind back rather than this embarrassment.

What is insulting in a horizantal progression than a vertical progression? (“I” would have rather had the level grind) again.. your opinion, i hate the level and gear grind cause it means all the hardwork i put in to get my gear in the past 3 years has gone to a waste.

You’re free to have your

What do people have against putting in any real effort and time to do anything nowadays. Last several years, I see countless threads among the popular MMO’s Forums, all made by people up-in-arms, about how hard this is, or how much a grind that is, ect.

It’s called progression, to progress in this game you need to put in effort, and the desire to better your character such as unlocking your Elite Spec, and soon Raids, I really hope ANet keeps up with the challenging content, and doesn’t cave to the people who want everything streamlined, just log in, and BOOM, everything handed to them.

I like the challenge this expansion presents, please don’t kill it just because you can’t bring yourselves to invest yourself into working towards bettering your character.

cause people dont know the meaning of “grind”, “gating” and “hard”

The mastery grind I kind of expected from the BWEs but.. finding out I have to basically do double world complete on every character just to play the elite specs feels like I was ripped off. The new hero points or whatever they’re called are awful. Some needing masteries to get to or activate that you have no way of knowing about until after you’ve wasted time with them. Its just.. counterfun.

Its getting pretty annoying randomly clicking on mushrooms or plants by accident and getting told to kitten off because of some random missing mastery. Especially when that basically applies to everything you interact with in the new zones.
Its not the grind, its just.. so badly done.

Plus, I already have a couple guilds filled with people grinding the infinite mobs in CoF to unlock their fractal / legendary masteries in a day’s time.

GG A.net

Drayos.8759:

Saying “the majority are annoyed with the expansion” is bluntly wrong, GW2 hit top 4 on Expansion Release day, If anything its brought even more players to the game kitten many positive reviews were made in twitch chats across the majority of the Streamers who streamed HoT Release.

The majority of Streamers and Players in game and via Twitch are Expressing nothing but love for the new elite specializations and New content released with this expansion, claiming the expansion has 0 raids?…. there was a ENTIRE video showing you the kitten Raids of this expansion you trying to say they last minute deleted all the content?…. Prolly unlikely have i been IN the raid zones, No… but theres ALOT of evidence provided which says they are in the game.

What else did you expect?…. As already said, Does anyone Reach top tiered Armour Within a half a week of Expansion Release? no… how about Before they’ve finished the Map Completion in the new zones? nope, EVERY MMORPG IN THE GOD kitten EXISTENCE has something in the game that actually takes MUCH Longer to achieve, just because GW2 ignore gear laddering doesnt Suddenly mean EVERYTHING proffession related has to be instant.

this is the Entire “I dont wanna pay for HoT” war all over again in ANOTHER aspect of the game, Im sorry, but EVERY MMORPG follows the trend of a Character progression, Weather its a Gear ladder, a Secondary levelling Source, Hero Point grinding Level Grinding Raid Farming or Whatever it exists in Every MMO, Just like Expansions Cost Money in EVERY GAME RELEASED..

this is why GW2 concept is great and also bad, Because Players become Adjusted to the Idea of 0 Effort for Everything and paying Nothing to be Entitled, its a great game but U never see these arguments about how quickly you reach the top in any other MMO because they are already come to terms with the fact each Expansion they’ll Spend 6+ Months Grinding out to have Everything…

Note: 6 months odd of Character Progression is BOX STANDARD for a MMORPG, if your looking for Instant pay offs, MoBAs are ur field of play, and Welcome to why MoBAs are Quickly taking over the Vast majority of gamers.

Incase you’ve NEVER Played EQ1 EQ2 or WoW, some of the very orginal bones to MMOs (i know they werent the first, they were some of the first to make the genre big)

Generally – a Expansion would Force you to Rip through 5 – 10 levels before u may even START grinding on character Progression, THen generally they’ll Rip u through grouping Just to qualify yourself to raid, this in itself for a casual player could take Multiple Weeks, thats right WEEKS to see the raids, Once you’ve Reached this point your on a Endless Spree of Farming with WEEKLY LOCKOUTS to achieve tier Armour.. to slowly progress through Each difficulty of Raid to achieve the Next stepping stone, Also some of these actually have Legendary weapons which take MONTHS of grinding.

Thats right MONTHS without having what they “paid for”…. Welcome to MMORPG History… and Welcome to what a MMO is…

lol your point is ridicokulous. #top4 lmao OOOOHHHHH

I expect Anet soon to start creating new armor, weapons and trinkets generation with each patch. Just like other MMOs do it.

Actually, no. They put a huge gate for you to jump over, only to have a gate behind said gate you had to jump.

So now you really cant complain that there isnt anything to do. Besides, i spent 2 hours killing vines to get the stupid mastery to glide.

Renim.6921:

4.) Don’t try to tell me that there is no leveling, when there totally is. Don’t try to sell me the whole “But your level isn’t going up!” BS because it’s insulting. Instead of your actual XP bar going up, your XP is replaced by Hero points. In order to gain these hero points you gotta do the challenges in HoT. The only difference is that certain things give you this type of “XP” instead of everything. Honestly, I would have rather had the level grind and the gear grind back rather than this embarrassment.

Why? I mean, why would you prefer to level, say, 10 more levels, making all your gear obsolete in the process, instead of having this system (masteries and hero points) where you are actually improving your character without turning your gear into trash in the process? I’d very much have this grind instead of a level grind.

I understand the frustration of not being able to try your new elite spec, heck, of all my characters, i was only able to unlock it with one of them (the one that had map completion), and mastery xp seems to go up way slower than i’d like but, as a concept, i like the idea to be able to improve my character past the level cap.

Telekinesis.8312:

cause people dont know the meaning of “grind”, “gating” and “hard”

cos i dont remember gw2 being a game where you grind for the basics. I remember doing quests much higher leveled than i was for a challenge, not grind for a lame excuse of “oh you havent unlocked this-and-that, so you cant continue”

it’s been two days. you haven’t played all the new content yet lmao i’ll bet you 200g

bigbobpataki.4796:

Do we think that everyone is going to stop complaining and calm down in a weeks time when they fully unlock their elite spec for their chosen mains?

Tao.5096:

Those Hero Points in Heart of Thorns are utterly bad.

5min for killing a champ solo which not only hit like a truck, also CC and heals up or stealth.

A few months ago: We want harder open world content ArenaNet!

Decently challenging hero point challenges that require you to group in a MMO are implemented.

Forums this week: We want easier open world content!

They didn’t add challenging boss content to the events that required you to think. Least not for the events I faced so far although they do require a group because some mobs can 1 shot you without warning LOL.

The rewards for some of the events require you to have other Mastery’s to enable you buy keys that cost gold to open the rewards. If you do the event before you complete them mastery’s & buy a key you get no reward.

The new GATED reward system where you can spend 30 mins completing content and killing that boss but get lesser or no reward until you grind out mastery.

This isn’t even getting into the fact most of the Jungle mobs are not dropping ANY loot and the few ones that do only drop stuff worth coppers or blues/greens items for salvage .

The content is only harder in places / requires a group because they give some TRASH mobs a 1 shot abilities that can take you from full to floored in one hit. That isn’t challenging content thats fun to play against. It’s not fun to go from full health to sitting on your butt with no chance for a healer to do anything. It’s content thats JARRING and seems to be slipped in just to force you to group up so you have someone to pick you up. Group content gives you chance to heal your group.

When the dust settles in 2 weeks? Have you not realised yet? That’s when all of you moaning about us complaining begin to ask anet why hot maps are empty and demand it sorted lol

HenleyLegoMan.4987:

When the dust settles in 2 weeks? Have you not realised yet? That’s when all of you moaning about us complaining begin to ask anet why hot maps are empty and demand it sorted lol

In two weeks I can’t see myself or others ever setting foot in that Jungle again. Especially with the amount of cheese 1 shot trash enemy’s and how annoying it is to navigate. None of the jungle Mastery’s can be used outside and the mobs drop far less loot while being so far a part as to take longer to get any loot out of it.

Not only that but you have to spend gold on keys just to open the rewards from certain events. It’s all a time and gold sink. Maybe there is other rewards in there but a fair few players won’t be visiting again for anything but the most hardcore of rewards.

Elite specializations are horizontal progression so by definition they wont fit everyone’s build. The ones in HOT look good overall, hero point cost could be lower but that really isnt a huge problem. This and masteries are VASTLY better then grinding a bunch of levels and all new gear. Both seem like meaningful character progression without having to grind like crazy to be competitive again

Serith.3712:

Elite specializations are horizontal progression so by definition they wont fit everyone’s build. The ones in HOT look good overall, hero point cost could be lower but that really isnt a huge problem. This and masteries are VASTLY better then grinding a bunch of levels and all new gear. Both seem like meaningful character progression without having to grind like crazy to be competitive again

No they’re not. From Exotic to Ascended that’s horizontal, since you’re basically able to enjoy 95% of the content with Exo gear.

Elite Specs are vertical progression. You either grind the kitten out of it, or you give up on it.

Casuals

HenleyLegoMan.4987:

When the dust settles in 2 weeks? Have you not realised yet? That’s when all of you moaning about us complaining begin to ask anet why hot maps are empty and demand it sorted lol

The maps are already empty.

jmoak.7821:

its the vocal minority again while the majority are having fun in the game. dust will settle in 2 weeks

Yah that majority is having so much fun ingame that maps are constantly dead and empty.

HenleyLegoMan.4987:

When the dust settles in 2 weeks? Have you not realised yet? That’s when all of you moaning about us complaining begin to ask anet why hot maps are empty and demand it sorted lol

You dont have to wait! The maps are already empty.

simplesimon.2084:

Renim.6921:

Drayos.8759:

Right, so this QQ is on the bases that U want the Elite specialisation for free?.. claiming this is a barrier and not content?..

Right, so No PvEr is going to raid?… No PvEr will do world Bosses?…. No PvEr could possibly have interests in WvW, Litterally 100% of the community complete Quests then AFK in main towns for the Rest of their lives?… Not even guild missions?….

im sorry but the statements ridiculous, theres NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND THE kitten THINGS ON, ofcourse this new specialization was GOING to involve hero points its Funded EVERY OTHER specialization throughout Guild Wars 2, to claim its suddenly wrong is ridiculous.

there is 0 terrible decisions made, dragonhunters great and is performing well in PvE and PvP and the reasons to refuse having it all together is ridiculous, to claim it was a waste of money without the elite is ridiculous, as im pretty sure PvErs mainly bought this Expansion FOR THE NEW PVE CONTENT.

400 hero points is steep, i did feel like maybe slightly too high, but to outright Say theres 0 justification to it.. and nothing to do after u’ve done it is just bullcrap, i did feel it should be on the Same sorta guideline of grind for any other Specialization, as these elites are ment to ADD to the proffession and not replace it, so the reasoning for it to be so much higher then the rest is ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, some inconviences exist.

When I picked my profession at launch, I got to play as it. I didn’t need to play anything else to unlock it. I could use all of the weapons, and only with about a 5 minute commitment I could use all weapons.

I could use the hero points to get other things like sigils, signets, meditations, etc… and that’s fine because the costs were reasonable and well within my level range.

Currently, I’ll have to complete the entire expansions Hero Challenges to actually get to play Dragon Hunter at lvl 80 capacity, so I can do all the wonderful PvE stuff you were talking about: world bosses, dungeons, raids, etc… Except for half that stuff, I’ve already done it plenty of times. I’ll do all the new content with my normal Guardian, so I can get Dragon Hunter, and do all the stuff I’ve been doing over and over and over again.

I’m not asking for something for free; I’m asking to be able to play something I paid money to have access to in a reasonable amount of time, at a reasonable point of the game.

You can unlock your elite spec with just 65 hero points. After that the other points unlock traits and skills for that spec.

It took me nearly 200 hp to fully unlock the core stuff, with some alrdy done. Now, it’s 60hp to unlock the first skill or trait ot w/e it’s called on tempest. That’s not a rant, but fact. Unless I’m missin’ something.

Now that Reaper is unlocked enough to let me do chill damage, I have been doing pretty much just events to work on masteries. Even found a JP (or I think it was… there were a lot of jumps) that was exciting. The adventures things are fun as well (Ley-Line race is amazing as hell and I got 47 seconds—will go back to beat Byron or w/e with his 34 seconds).
Really, all the hero challenges can be done with two people if not solo’d if you have enough healing ability. I was even in full sinister with apothecary chest/legs and solo’d about 1/3 of them. Then I got with that one other person and we flew through several maps and got about 5-8 each of the first three. Also, if you just ask in map chat if folks want to do a hero point, you will get enough to join you.

As to the OP’s #1 about Dragon Hunter. I agree it is not worth taking the trait line for what it provides. I have a power/burn hybrid build and it does not benefit me any. So, instead, I did the initial 60 points to unlock it and get the achieve and weapon skin and then will not put any more in there. Maybe another Guardian elite spec in the future will be more interesting. Also, there are (and were during the beta) plenty of complaints about the spec. I still see people using traps out there so some enjoy it.

Well, how else would they handle it? If they just have you your elite spec with all the traits and utilities, why would anyone bother with the hero point challenges?

If you had all the useful masteries unlocked off the bat, why would people do events?

The matter of fact is that non-sandbox MMOs have always been driven by the carrot in front of players and GW2 isn’t a sandbox.