Guild Wars 2

It seems all the time when I go to the LFG tool I see the descriptions reading “No Necros/Rangers” or “Meta only” almost all the time excluding dungeons like AC which everybody seems to know.

As a ranger player since launch this is really discouraging. They were god awful upon launch and even with the huge buffs with the recent trait patch (and through many previous patches) people are stuck with the idea that we are practically useless.

I know the class doesn’t offer much in group utility but is that really enough to justify the hate? I consistently complete level 50 fractals and dungeon speed runs what is with the unwarranted hate?

I’ve had people join in while I already had 2-3 people just to say “NO RANGERS” then leave.

It is really frustrating and I refuse to play a class I don’t really enjoy. I really enjoy the reaper as well as the revenant but those are obviously not available currently. Here’s hoping druid offers something significant.

P.S.: Furthermore it just divides the community just for the sake of some stack n’ smack meta.

I always laugh when I hear people say, “No rangers!” in any group. It’s part of the reason I tend to solo everything instead. But, ironically, I tend to be the last person standing in any group I join and rezzing everyone afterwards.

But, all that said, I’d never let the whims or dislikes of other people dictate what class I play.

I suggest you do the same.

To be honest, im not in favor of elitism, but its unavoidable. If the classes were better balanced in pve there will be less elitism, thats for sure, but it will still exist.

I think the real problem its that the current state of the game have only a small part of the population playing dungeons.

Most of them are elitists, for a simple reason: they are farming the dungeon and have more capability to survive repetition, generally speaking that means they want the fastests runs (before and even now they endure the time for their groups to complete in their sake to “minimize” risks) availables and will stay more than other people that will not go for the optimal group.

Sure most of them arent exactly really good players, a good group its pretty bad and just a real minority of them are good and really good. But even if they skill level dont seems to be fitting for the “elite” term, they will try to get their optimal groups.

The point: If you have the same number of dungeons for nearly 3 years, and even worst with nearly the same quantity of bugs and problems, your lfg will be more and more elitists than other players, witch will harm new players and the survivors of other population of players.

The real respnsable of this its anet, even if its the best choice for them they are chosing to “abandonate” that content and players.

Basically it comes down to what Lucius said, why run necro/ranger when I can run war thief and ele and be done with the dungeon rotations as fast as possible? I can promise you that the majority of people don’t run dungeons for the fun factor anymore it’s all about that coinage.

Eh, it’s just as well that people let you know ahead of time that they have preconceived ideas about how others should play. Saves you from the heartbreak of psoriasis later.

The most important things in completing dungeons quickly are: knowing the dungeon, knowing your prof, knowing other people’s profs, and least important (of the notable factors) is choice of build, including choice of prof. People saying “no rangers” are putting the least critical factor first, so it’s not so much “elitism” as prejudice.

There are always going to be people who prejudge others based on arbitrary or semi-arbitrary factors. Unfortunately, that’s a social issue and not one that ANet can really do much about.

Honestly, a large part of group comp issues comes from fire fields and might stacking. I for one would be very happy if blasting a fire field did not give might, and did something else. This would solve a lot of issues and make classes more about interesting mechanics as opposed to who can stack huge quantities of might.

In fact, I’d be fine if we just did away with might stacking completely. Buff management gameplay is far less fun that involved and interested mechanics that are no homogeneous.

I’ve encountered very little ranger/necro hate recently. But rangers generally have a bad rap because of Bearbows. You know the type. Uses nothing but longbow with a bear pet, stays far away from the group not benefiting from buffs and worst of all spams point blank shot off cool down driving everyone else crazy.

And honestly, even as a ranger, i can’t stand them either. And i’m easy going, i say come in whatever build you want as long as it contributes to the group in someway.
Bearbows just don’t. They actually make the run unplesant at worst because of their constant knockback spam.

The prejudice can be ironic sometimes. This conversation happened when a pug for level baby 19 fractal was formed.

Petrol.9086:

I’ve encountered very little ranger/necro hate recently. But rangers generally have a bad rap because of Bearbows. You know the type. Uses nothing but longbow with a bear pet, stays far away from the group not benefiting from buffs and worst of all spams point blank shot off cool down driving everyone else crazy.

And honestly, even as a ranger, i can’t stand them either. And i’m easy going, i say come in whatever build you want as long as it contributes to the group in someway.
Bearbows just don’t. They actually make the run unplesant at worst because of their constant knockback spam.

Pretty much. It’s not that ranger is a bad profession for pve, it’s just used badly by a lot of people, which sours the image of the profession in the eyes of other players. The people who want to finish their dungeon runs as quickly as they can would just rather not gamble on a pug ranger.

There are also problems with people running unhelpful builds and in some cases being detrimental (yes i know other classes can too, but it for me at least is most common with rangers/necros).

Most frequent encounters for me personally are condi necros camping scepter with zero cleave or fearing with staff #5 whenever off CD, rangers not managing pets and messing with aggro, camping LB at max range using KB off CD.

It has gotten better but newer players pick these classes because of what they think the class’ play styles will be based on class name and description.

Elitism isn’t about efficiency as much as it is about patience and tolerance. The necessities bar for most things in the game is really low, so low that much of the “group content” can be soloed. At that point, extra bodies are a convenience, so it is really about how convenient you see other classes as. Necros and Rangers, sadly, aren’t convenient enough.

Part of it has to deal with newbie issues. Due to the nature of the game, a necro or ranger is more likely to be a newbie player that has to be taught. Some people subconsciously adopt this and become bigoted, seeing the entire class as bad.

Good news is, this isn’t as bad as it used to be. It is quite rare to see a “heavy’s only” party, and only slightly less rare to see a “no xxx class”. Right now the big thing is “80s”, which has actually become nearly obsolete with the recent rebalancing of level scaling.

Lucius.2140:

To be honest, im not in favor of elitism, but its unavoidable. If the classes were better balanced in pve there will be less elitism, thats for sure, but it will still exist.

I’ll have to disagree to a certain extent. No class is horrible, some classes are better but it’s not as if bringing a necro or ranger with you into a dungeon is a massive handicap or a certain wipe.
I’d argue it is a perception of these classes which is the problem. The elitism is mostly based on opinion than fact.

That’s not elitism but professions exclusion. Change the title to more appropriate.

Elistism is a people problem not anything else. It’s just like the guys who take PVP too seriously (not on a competitive level but the ones who feel the need to complain or gloat) or any such jerks.

Ranger/Engi are SOLID options, they aren’t optimal options, but they’re solid. Ranger has plenty of group support in offensive buffs including the unique Frost Spirit and Spotter. You also have some reflects to add to your team as well as some other possible options for different stuff. Not a bad profession.

Necro is a bit of a different story in that they are just so far behind in the damage category and group support/utility. They have some stuff, some unique and cool stuff, but overall they are just way behind. It’s unfortunate, but you can still do a fractal 50 with a bunch of noob necros in a decent time (did it not long ago, by noob necro I mean half the group had to ask how to set up their builds). So the idea of leaving them out is just people being tryhard idiots. But, again, that’s just something that comes with dealing with people.

lol and watch this is going to happen in SPvP in HoT when Leagues get added.

Warned you all here. remember that when you start seeing PvP versions of post like the OP.

rotten.9753:

That’s not elitism but professions exclusion. Change the title to more appropriate.

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How is that not elitism? That´s basically like ousting the middlefield players from a soccer club because they neither defend or are out to make goals, that being the respective jobs of defenders and attackers.

While i don’t play necro or rangers in dungeons i am more than happy to let them into my group or defend them if an argument breaks out. As stated before the content isn’t that hard and if you got the boxes checked that make the run smoother ( reflects, stealth, blinds) the rest can basicly pick whatever they want. I would definitely prefer a solid necro over an ele that constantly kisses the ground.

I think the main thing why people do not like necros or rangers is because people play them wrong and the group doesnt take the time to explain. I want to say first that i saw lots of great necro and ranger players in dungeons. These are “hipsters” in that they are great players that realize how easy the content is and that they can be effective in it while using non meta classes.
But many of them also have no idea that a so called linecaster zerker ele meta even exists or they wouldn’t be playing those classes in the first place. Thats when you see staff camping necros or knockback lb rangers.
There are many new players joining the game now that the x pac is arround the corner. Of course this applies to all classes to some extent.
So long as you speak the same language and have enough time then nothing should stop you from explaining how their class is best played. Even if you don’t have the time you can just say: “copy the build from Metabattle and learn to use it if you want people to like you in dungeons”.

In short good necros and rangers are cool, new players need help.

PS: don’t forget that if you wait 2 mins or more for your perfect group than a normal one you should have taken the necro/ranger/2nd war intstead for a faster run. Oh the irony of pugs.

Torolan.5816:

rotten.9753:

That’s not elitism but professions exclusion. Change the title to more appropriate.

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How is that not elitism? That´s basically like ousting the middlefield players from a soccer club because they neither defend or are out to make goals, that being the respective jobs of defenders and attackers.

While I do think it’s a form of elitism that metaphor is pretty bad. There are roles on a soccer team including mid fielders. Necro and to a lesser extent Engi/Ranger just simply don’t perform any role needed in this game as well as the other professions. So in a sense the profession exclusion makes sense… but when we’re talking PUG groups it’s just downright stupid for various reasons.

If you had guys who were amazing at all elements of soccer but a whole team of them, you’d still slot some of them midfield to cover that role

IrisTheCasual.3742:

The prejudice can be ironic sometimes. This conversation happened when a pug for level baby 19 fractal was formed.

Thanks, that made my morning. Probably got melted by a condi necro in PvP and cant stand being in a party with one.

Torolan.5816:

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How is that not elitism? That´s basically like ousting the middlefield players from a soccer club because they neither defend or are out to make goals, that being the respective jobs of defenders and attackers.

It’s because players are not excluded based on their qualities but based on their profession which can be easily changed. Switch to e.g. ele and you are no longer excluded yet your intrinsic qualities as a player have not changed.

The only reason I’ve ever kicked a ranger out of my group is because the description in LFG has said exactly what I’m looking for. If people don’t read the description then it’s their own fault for being kicked.

That being said, I understand the mindset behind the meta, but I don’t encourage or enforce it in all modes of play. I think that diversity is needed. The only reason I use the meta in dungeons is because I like extremely fast and efficient runs with people that I know (more often than not they’re also meta players as well). I’d be more than willing to have a ranger or necro (as I main one) in the party if I wasn’t going for a speedclear in fractals or dungeons. Heck I’d even be happy to run newbies through dungeons if they’re 1 – willing to listen, and 2 – not kittenhats, but just as long as I’m in the mood to teach. More often than not I just want those shinies at the end.

The reason I play meta is because I want fast runs is so I can get all the available rewards in as little time as possible. Quite a few players have this mindset, but not all are as accommodating as I am of non-meta players.

If you’re having issues with being kicked from groups in dungeons, make your own, or even reading the description before joining would be a good idea.

Being elitist in PvE is stupid stuff, there are no leaderboards and no ‘’Best Player in the World’‘, if you wanna be an Elitist, go do some high level PvP where you can play with the best players, because that doesn’t exist in any PvE game or content, there are good players but no best players…

It’s not elitism in my eyes. If you’re casual you wouldn’t mind if dungeon takes 20 minutes or whatever. Considering the fact that game is very repeatable and there are people doing dungeon runs on daily basis, they wanna just run what they do in an hour or so… and you cannot blame them. After working same job, of course you just wanna wake up and get on with it and come home asap. After all there is equal amount of LFGs that welcome anyone.

Amineo.8951:

Being elitist in PvE is stupid stuff, there are no leaderboards and no ‘’Best Player in the World’‘, if you wanna be an Elitist, go do some high level PvP where you can play with the best players, because that doesn’t exist in any PvE game or content, there are good players but no best players…

Miss Lana.5276:

The reason I play meta is because I want fast runs is so I can get all the available rewards in as little time as possible. Quite a few players have this mindset, but not all are as accommodating as I am of non-meta players.

Plus not everyone likes PvP. You’re being very closedminded. We’re aware there is no “best player in the world”. We do it because we want fast and efficient runs. We know that classes x, y, and z are the best at it, so we take those.

Miss Lana.5276:

Amineo.8951:

Being elitist in PvE is stupid stuff, there are no leaderboards and no ‘’Best Player in the World’‘, if you wanna be an Elitist, go do some high level PvP where you can play with the best players, because that doesn’t exist in any PvE game or content, there are good players but no best players…

Miss Lana.5276:

The reason I play meta is because I want fast runs is so I can get all the available rewards in as little time as possible. Quite a few players have this mindset, but not all are as accommodating as I am of non-meta players.

Plus not everyone likes PvP. You’re being very closedminded. We’re aware there is no “best player in the world”. We do it because we want fast and efficient runs. We know that classes x, y, and z are the best at it, so we take those.

I’ll be brief I have 3 rangers and 3 warriors, I ignore lvl 80 zerk meta groups even though my 3 necro’s are decked out in ascended gear, and same for my 3 rangers.

I know how to play PVE necro, and ranger,I also play “zerk meta” ranger, but It is no use to fight the zerk “I know it all and you know nothing brigade”. I use food, dungeon sets, and so on.
I became lvl 40+ fractals before the fractal reset with ranger and necro…
It might not do as much dmg (hmm 5k dmg with a LB pull shot?), but in dungeons where I see stacking sigils on zerk meta’s and fire sigils aoe aggroing stuf I sometimes wonder why….

Why can’t people accept there are idiots who use LB 4 in dungeons or fears as a necro.
I use fears as well and use them instead of pulls or pushes (just fear ‘m into the wall….) or a LB #4 if my zerk meta party is again a set wannabees.
Wannabees with no food, no utility, no sigils and just a big mouth, trying to copy the illusions from metabattle and not having the 10 gold for a dungeon set of weapons. Pets are usefull if used correct, minions are horrid, in a big part of the game, but necro will be an addition to your game if it’s played well…

Having ascended armor and a copied build doesn’t make you a good player. remember this.

and thats why i dont do dungeons with other people beside my wife and brother.
i cant be kitten d to be told how to play or what sigils to use.

yes we go slowly tru dungeon yes we wipe where no1 else would wipe but we have fun and laughters i couldnt give a rats kitten what class one of them plays or how much AP they have.
other people are more then welcome but since i know majority of dungeon players will cry like babies when they see my wife noobing around, while i enjoy watching her dieing over and over again not having a clue how it happend xD.

this game is “old” and the “elders” have taken over new people or people who do not put their focus on dungeons are not welcome in most groups.
gotta deal with it or make your own party and just accept the lesser players also as these guys are more likely alot more relaxed and do not care about X and Y class or a “speedrun”

100% 25 Stacks might-uptime – Warrior
Mini-timewarp, Reflection and Stability for as long as the fight takes – Guardian
Stealth, Defiance-stripping and good Vulnerability-upkeep – Thief
100% Fury-uptime, perma-fire-field, Great aoe-damage, aoe-blind or vuln – 2xEle

Stealth, portals, reflects and ofc time warp – Mesmer (can replace Thief)
Tons of vuln, Great dps and combo-fields – Engi (can replace 1 Ele)

A pet that most people don’t seem capable of controlling and the tendency to stay out of range for all group-buffs – Ranger
Ok, let’s assume the Ranger knows what he does: 7.5% extra group-dps from fs and some extra precision – Ranger
Some vuln and boon-stripping (which is only useful in some niche-situations) – Necro

Sadly Ranger and Necro don’t really bring anything to the table that another class can’t do better.

This has to stop.
So many threads, always the same.
Simply make a kitten group!!

None of my characters have berserker armor, i don’t enjoy it and i often play with my guild, but when i want to do a dungeon with pugs, i look in the dungeon finder, and if i can’t find what i want, i make it. I’ve never had to wait more then 5 minutes to have a full group and be on my way, even in the middle of the night or the middle of a weekday. This isn’t an issue. Yes people tend to look for optimal ways, and some may discriminate vs certain classes. And that would be bad, if it took you a long time to find a group that doesn’t care. BUT IT DOESN’T TAKE A LONG TIME.
In fact i’ve often seen berserker only groups take longer to fill then my new one. Most people don’t give a kitten .

Only reason you see those lfgs is that the non-specific lfgs fill instantly and disappear, while the people waiting for a specific combination of classes will have to wait longer.

This is especially amusing with people that want to speed run, since it often takes longer to make the party than the time saved.

rotten.9753:

Torolan.5816:

???
How is that not elitism? That´s basically like ousting the middlefield players from a soccer club because they neither defend or are out to make goals, that being the respective jobs of defenders and attackers.

It’s because players are not excluded based on their qualities but based on their profession which can be easily changed. Switch to e.g. ele and you are no longer excluded yet your intrinsic qualities as a player have not changed.

So if I play good as a Ranger or Necro, I am not welcome into the party.
If I change on my Mesmer or Ele and then bring a so-so performance with it because of a lack of practice, that do neither hinder nor help people in the group very much, I can join.

You´re right. Not elitist at all and absolutely reasonable, probably even justifying the time you wait for a suitable member.^^

emikochan.8504:

Only reason you see those lfgs is that the non-specific lfgs fill instantly and disappear, while the people waiting for a specific combination of classes will have to wait longer.

This is especially amusing with people that want to speed run, since it often takes longer to make the party than the time saved.

This is what it’s all about. Speedruns are boring to me, and more often then not they aren’t even speedruns since forming the group takes longer then doing the content.
MAKE A GROUP

My absolute favourite thing about these elitists is what they inflict on themselves.

Seen them kick whatever “undesirable” profession, or just not the specific one they want (but isn’t necessary). Then wait even longer on getting the preferred profession than it would have taken to just accept the guy who got kicked and started running the dungeon in the first place.

(Before anyone chimes in with "well they need x profession so they don’t die because the fight takes too long – that’s kittenpoop. The times we just start with with just 3 or 4 members is proof of that lie.)

BunjiKugashira.9754:

100% 25 Stacks might-uptime – Warrior
Mini-timewarp, Reflection and Stability for as long as the fight takes – Guardian
Stealth, Defiance-stripping and good Vulnerability-upkeep – Thief
100% Fury-uptime, perma-fire-field, Great aoe-damage, aoe-blind or vuln – 2xEle

Stealth, portals, reflects and ofc time warp – Mesmer (can replace Thief)
Tons of vuln, Great dps and combo-fields – Engi (can replace 1 Ele)

Can’t argue with much of this But it’s way lacking in details

BunjiKugashira.9754:

A pet that most people don’t seem capable of controlling and the tendency to stay out of range for all group-buffs – Ranger
Ok, let’s assume the Ranger knows what he does: 7.5% extra group-dps from fs and some extra precision – Ranger

Ranger can swap pets bringing a free CHOOSABLE utility or buff on the pet. The fact some people only have bear and stalker doens’t mean there is nothing more.
The only time pets are in the way is when the ranger pulls, and the person is ignorent Can provide 20 vulnerability in 3 seconds,
has a water field,
can be used to provide fury, and swiftness,
can res ppl who are downed while maintaining DPS (search and rescue trait if needed),
pet can be used to solo the door at cof1 in a 4 man party.
and spotter and the spirit… yes that 2…

BunjiKugashira.9754:

Some vuln and boon-stripping (which is only useful in some niche-situations) – Necro

Necro:
Wells: boonstripping , booning through cleansing, AOE blind 4 times protection, AOE healing…
Some CC, no more bleeding out, AoE vampiric to compensated for healthloss in groups allowing longer +90% health if needed,
chills and weakness to reduce enemy DPS.
and some damage…

Sadly Ranger and Necro don’t really bring anything to the table that another class can’t do better.

Maybe, but they do bring a unique package….. and they have their merits as well..

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

BunjiKugashira.9754:

100% 25 Stacks might-uptime – Warrior
Mini-timewarp, Reflection and Stability for as long as the fight takes – Guardian
Stealth, Defiance-stripping and good Vulnerability-upkeep – Thief
100% Fury-uptime, perma-fire-field, Great aoe-damage, aoe-blind or vuln – 2xEle

Stealth, portals, reflects and ofc time warp – Mesmer (can replace Thief)
Tons of vuln, Great dps and combo-fields – Engi (can replace 1 Ele)

Can’t argue with much of this But it’s way lacking in details

BunjiKugashira.9754:

A pet that most people don’t seem capable of controlling and the tendency to stay out of range for all group-buffs – Ranger
Ok, let’s assume the Ranger knows what he does: 7.5% extra group-dps from fs and some extra precision – Ranger

Ranger can swap pets bringing a free CHOOSABLE utility or buff on the pet. The fact some people only have bear and stalker doens’t mean there is nothing more.
The only time pets are in the way is when the ranger pulls, and the person is ignorent Can provide 20 vulnerability in 3 seconds,
has a water field,
can be used to provide fury, and swiftness,
can res ppl who are downed while maintaining DPS (search and rescue trait if needed),
pet can be used to solo the door at cof1 in a 4 man party.
and spotter and the spirit… yes that 2…

BunjiKugashira.9754:

Some vuln and boon-stripping (which is only useful in some niche-situations) – Necro

Necro:
Wells: boonstripping , booning through cleansing, AOE blind 4 times protection, AOE healing…
Some CC, no more bleeding out, AoE vampiric to compensated for healthloss in groups allowing longer +90% health if needed,
chills and weakness to reduce enemy DPS.
and some damage…

Sadly Ranger and Necro don’t really bring anything to the table that another class can’t do better.

Boonstripping (which is used very rarely in the current dungeon scenario) – thief

aoe healing; protection; chill; weakness are all thigns the current meta comp can acomplish better than a necro can and not have the downside of a dps loss

spotter; frost spirit and vampiric aura while they are nice they dont make up for the loss of 2 icebows

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

Miss Lana.5276:

Amineo.8951:

Being elitist in PvE is stupid stuff, there are no leaderboards and no ‘’Best Player in the World’‘, if you wanna be an Elitist, go do some high level PvP where you can play with the best players, because that doesn’t exist in any PvE game or content, there are good players but no best players…

Miss Lana.5276:

The reason I play meta is because I want fast runs is so I can get all the available rewards in as little time as possible. Quite a few players have this mindset, but not all are as accommodating as I am of non-meta players.

Plus not everyone likes PvP. You’re being very closedminded. We’re aware there is no “best player in the world”. We do it because we want fast and efficient runs. We know that classes x, y, and z are the best at it, so we take those.

I’m not closedminded, but people that kicks others just for 1 mistake and take on the whole group just to affirm their own oppinions are, I find this absurd people get locked from some kind of contents just because they play x class instead of y, I mean they haven’t paid the game just to get exiled right?

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

the problem isn’t the fact these classes are providing lower DPS (though most people cannot seem to look beyond the elemental Metabattle builds…)

I really wonder how it would be with a sinister Guard S/T & GS, sinister trapper ranger (A/T) an elementalist (or 2) and a warrior (or a sinister Engineer)?

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

nice you ask the question even tho you missed the point . and it is simple with Elitism does not belong in this game at all . not one part does it belong here in this game not even in guild,s . thus this system would put the end to it.

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

nice you ask the question even tho you missed the point . and it is simple with Elitism does not belong in this game at all . not one part does it belong here in this game not even in guild,s . thus this system would put the end to it.

so your solution for elitism is removing dungeons completely and making them into solo instances? great idea 10/10. Why not also make the game a singleplayer? Because as we all know, mere human interaction can lead to people being mean to eachother, and we can’t have that.

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

nice you ask the question even tho you missed the point . and it is simple with Elitism does not belong in this game at all . not one part does it belong here in this game not even in guild,s . thus this system would put the end to it.

so your solution for elitism is removing dungeons completely and making them into solo instances? great idea 10/10

i can see you missed my points all together . and no dungeons would stay but the champs in them would be lvl 130 . and you could only have 5 players go in at one time. and the solo instances as you put it would only come in pve. and there would be bosses all over the place 3 or 4 in every map . and the drops from them would not be soul or account bound too . meaning you can use them on any toon . and the bosses would be lvl 120

Why do most people not search for Mesmers / Rangers / Necros?
- Because their AI often enough breaks the stack (doesn’t include necros).
- Because they don’t bring unique group-buffs (spotter is never needed, since the party is already on 100% crit-chance without it)
- no reasonable dps
- are usually brought by people who are special snowflakes, new or refuse to play the meta because reasons, hence turn each run into something awful per default.

And now we speak -again- about why you think you’re surrounded by elitists:
- Because you can’t read the lfg and join groups that were not searching for you.
- Because you don’t open your own lfg, clearly stating free-for-all.
- Because you don’t join a guild that is doing casual runs guild-internal. They exist, just saw such a recruitment text today in LA.
- Because you’re too shallow to accept that the mayority of people just farms dungeons for the gold, not because they like them, and rather do so fast instead of “immersive”, so stop trying to shove your preferences down the “elitists’” throat.
- Because you are the minority, just like RP’ers. They organize themselves in guilds. Do the same.

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

nice you ask the question even tho you missed the point . and it is simple with Elitism does not belong in this game at all . not one part does it belong here in this game not even in guild,s . thus this system would put the end to it.

so your solution for elitism is removing dungeons completely and making them into solo instances? great idea 10/10

i can see you missed my points all together . and no dungeons would stay but the champs in them would be lvl 130 . and you could only have 5 players go in at one time. and the solo instances as you put it would only come in pve. and there would be bosses all over the place 3 or 4 in every map . and the drops from them would not be soul or account bound too . meaning you can use them on any toon . and the bosses would be lvl 120

It’s hard to get your points when they are so badly written. I really can’t understand your sentences..

Torolan.5816:

So if I play good as a Ranger or Necro, I am not welcome into the party.
If I change on my Mesmer or Ele and then bring a so-so performance with it because of a lack of practice, that do neither hinder nor help people in the group very much, I can join.

You´re right. Not elitist at all and absolutely reasonable, probably even justifying the time you wait for a suitable member.^^

I’ve never said it’s reasonable but it is the reality an average pugger has to face. On the record, I don’t pug and I definitely don’t exclude my friends based on their profession of choice.

Arantheal.7396:

Why do most people not search for Mesmers / Rangers / Necros?
- Because their AI often enough breaks the stack (doesn’t include necros).
- Because they don’t bring unique group-buffs (spotter is never needed, since the party is already on 100% crit-chance without it)
- no reasonable dps
- are usually brought by people who are special snowflakes, new or refuse to play the meta because reasons, hence turn each run into something awful per default.

And now we speak -again- about why you think you’re surrounded by elitists:
- Because you can’t read the lfg and join groups that were not searching for you.
- Because you don’t open your own lfg, clearly stating free-for-all.
- Because you don’t join a guild that is doing casual runs guild-internal. They exist, just saw such a recruitment text today in LA.
- Because you’re too shallow to accept that the mayority of people just farms dungeons for the gold, not because they like them, and rather do so fast instead of “immersive”, so stop trying to shove your preferences down the “elitists’” throat.
- Because you are the minority, just like RP’ers. They organize themselves in guilds. Do the same.

it will be ok . let it out and have a good cry more often you just might feel more better . #justsaying oh btw some times it is far better to do thing,s all by your self . where you are challenged and do not have others with you on the same map at the same time. forcing you to go it alone and make it work out for your own self . #justsaying

ham.8209:

Arantheal.7396:

Why do most people not search for Mesmers / Rangers / Necros?
- Because their AI often enough breaks the stack (doesn’t include necros).
- Because they don’t bring unique group-buffs (spotter is never needed, since the party is already on 100% crit-chance without it)
- no reasonable dps
- are usually brought by people who are special snowflakes, new or refuse to play the meta because reasons, hence turn each run into something awful per default.

And now we speak -again- about why you think you’re surrounded by elitists:
- Because you can’t read the lfg and join groups that were not searching for you.
- Because you don’t open your own lfg, clearly stating free-for-all.
- Because you don’t join a guild that is doing casual runs guild-internal. They exist, just saw such a recruitment text today in LA.
- Because you’re too shallow to accept that the mayority of people just farms dungeons for the gold, not because they like them, and rather do so fast instead of “immersive”, so stop trying to shove your preferences down the “elitists’” throat.
- Because you are the minority, just like RP’ers. They organize themselves in guilds. Do the same.

it will be ok . let it out and have a good cry more often you just might feel more better . #justsaying oh btw some times it is far better to do thing,s all by your self . where you are challenged and do not have others with you on the same map at the same time. forcing you to go it alone and make it work out for your own self . #justsaying

Seriously advising you to take some english classes before writing something on the forums

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

stambogalizi.8356:

ham.8209:

Elitism is harming this game fully with out a question at all . if this game was like gw1 i like to see these crackers take on a mob . and watch them loose badly . or a boss champ even . the thing is they will never get is they ant a box of cracker jack,s and all that . by any means. maybe one day Anet will put out a real HM mode like in gw1 for this game and see how these kids like them apples LOL

then people will find the best 4-5 classes to do that HM on and the other classes will cry elitism again

they can only wish they could .but they would not be able to have 4 or 5 classes. as with HM it would be just only you and you ONLY . and lvl110 beasts to fight and lvl 120 champ bosses to fight as well . but if you got lucky enough to beat it by your self the rewards would be very much worth it. and that would put a end to all there crying.

then who cares if it’s a solo instance? what is the point you are trying to make?

nice you ask the question even tho you missed the point . and it is simple with Elitism does not belong in this game at all . not one part does it belong here in this game not even in guild,s . thus this system would put the end to it.

so your solution for elitism is removing dungeons completely and making them into solo instances? great idea 10/10

i can see you missed my points all together . and no dungeons would stay but the champs in them would be lvl 130 . and you could only have 5 players go in at one time. and the solo instances as you put it would only come in pve. and there would be bosses all over the place 3 or 4 in every map . and the drops from them would not be soul or account bound too . meaning you can use them on any toon . and the bosses would be lvl 120

It’s hard to get your points when they are so badly written. I really can’t understand your sentences..

then maybe this will help you get the points more easy . since your not getting a very clear point at all . and maybe you should try playing gw1 as well too . it would give you a better educated understanding maybe http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Boss

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Category:Bosses_by_species