Guild Wars 2

Lopez.7369:

Is this intentional?

Yes.

Hey let’s do that long jumping for 2 empyreal fragments !

Yeah, and you’re being really generous with those times. I remember the rants about the gear grind when ascended gear was first announced.

This is just ridiculous.

I don’t want to run CoF or any other fast paths over and over and over. This sucks…

It would be nice if they could do something based on difficulty/length of the jp/dungeon. Right now doing a long jp to only get 2 fragments is totally not worth it.

I assume they wanted something to be somewhat harder to get compared to the others.

Just pick a couple jp/dungeons you like running that are easy and do them every day. What I’ve been doing and if I get 2 from everything it’ll only take me a week (I do about 13 jp), I only need 3 stars left for the first weapon.

Also the random guarded chests by veterans can drop them too. Like the veteran chest in Wayfarers and the Bandit Hideout chest in Queensdale. I’m sure there are more chests, but I haven’t bothered to look them up. I know the super small ones like the ones guarded by the jotun in the potato farm in Wayfarer don’t drop them though.

Gee, I’ve gotten all mine from all those little chests in places like Wayfarer, and such. Just doing what I always do. You don’t have to do dungeons or jumping puzzles, if you’d rather not. It may not be the fastest way to acquire them, but I’m not going out of my way, either. They drop from just about any chest in the open world.

The point is how much time it takes. Listing alternatives that take longer doesn’t address my concern; it actually makes the issue worse.

I am not sure how killing a level 10 Veteran for 2 fragments takes longer, than a jumping puzzle, but….ok. There are 5 chests, I believe, in Wayfarer’s alone. Still, pick your poison, it’s up to you.

Travel time.

Also, jumping puzzles are supposed to represent the highest amount of time it would take in the original post.

Pfff you just need to cap 357 towers. Just one a day every day for a year. This game is not log in to win, put some effort blablabla

I suppose if you do nothing but farm any item in the game, you could make a chart of how much time it might take. My point was you can pick up these items as you play normally, without going out of your way, especially. No real extra time needed. If farming them is your preferred playstyle, I say: More power to ya! Just remember, it’s not a race for everyone that plays; some like to play the game in a kind of well-rounded manner, for lack of a better term. =)

Complain complain. either do it or dont.

I’m jumping all around looting the chests for luck salvage, and I’m getting a ton of fragments I’m probably never going to do anything with because I have a legendary.

I seriously doubt most people farm chests. I definitely don’t when doing world vs. world and boss events, which used to consume most of my play time.

Remember this?

Colin Johanson to Eurogamer: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base. The rare stuff becomes the really awesome looking armours. It’s all about collecting the unique looking stuff and collecting all the other rare collectable items in the game: armour pieces, potentially different potions – a lot of that is still up in the air and we’ll finalise a lot of those reward systems as we get closer to release. And those come off of things like the bosses at the end of dungeons – the raids.”

Tryhards lose interest if the can’t better their characters, even if it involves a grind.

Lopez.7369:

The point is how much time it takes. Listing alternatives that take longer doesn’t address my concern; it actually makes the issue worse.

There are 5 non jumping puzzle related chests in Queensdale that can be run in a loop that takes less than 10 minutes once you know where they are. You can get these chests once a day for each character on your account. Each time I run the loop I’ve gotten between 14 to 18 fragments per character. This is an easier grind than dungeons or jp’s for the time invested and I suggest you look into it.

Locations

Vale Waypoint – Directly north under one of the harpy trees

Crossing Waypoint – North in a small cave full of wolves

Ojon’s Lumbermill Waypoint – Head north into the bandit cave. It’s near a vet bomber.

Tunwatch Redoubt Waypoint – Go south to the Clifwatch Camp poi and it’s in a tamini tent guarded by a vet.

Righteous Hoofmoot/Demongrub Pits – Enter the pits and head left to the NPC. Jump past her to the ledge with the spiders. The chest is in webs along the wall. (also Demongrub Pits is a quick easy jp you can also do to get another chest for even more fragments but you don’t have to do the jp to get the chest listed here)

One year after launch and still no proper cosmetic progression. Instead the loot grind is more tedious than ever.

This is how you sink a game.

You’re underestimating how long getting those chests takes, and that sounds even more repetitive than dungeons and jumping puzzles.

I was hoping someone would be able to justify this massive grind, but there’s no excuse that doesn’t go against the core philosophy behind Guild Wars 2. What a shame.

@Uvatha:

Quoting Takenon, another forumer:
“If I wanted to jump through a bunch of hoops, I’d have joined a circus”

Thanks for the helpful suggestion anyway

I’ve been spending 2-3 hours a day running around looting chests in the open world / doing a single JP for the last 4 daily CD’s and have over 1400 fragments – so that is probably about 10ish hours of work for almost 3 weapons worth.

azurrei.5691:

I’ve been spending 2-3 hours a day running around looting chests in the open world / doing a single JP for the last 4 daily CD’s and have over 1400 fragments – so that is probably about 10ish hours of work for almost 3 weapons worth.

Care to give the exact breakdown? 2-3hrs a day ONLY opening chests + 1 JP sounds about right as for 1400 I would like to see how even with alts.

yup and the joke is, that your bank will fill up with stacks after stacks, because u cant store more than 250 in the crafting slots which is imo ridiculous.

@OP

Agree completely. I like the Colin quote.

Maybe someone kidnapped him and replaced him with a clone? GI Joe style! Maybe we can start a free Colin campaign so that we can get the original guy back.

For me, the Empyreal Fragments are what I’ll finish much faster than any of the other materials (not bloodstone dust). Different methods of acquisition will appeal to different people. I hate open world bosses, I love dungeons. This won’t be the same for everyone. If you want the weapon(s), suck it up and do the required content.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

For me, the Empyreal Fragments are what I’ll finish much faster than any of the other materials (not bloodstone dust). Different methods of acquisition will appeal to different people. I hate open world bosses, I love dungeons. This won’t be the same for everyone. If you want the weapon(s), suck it up and do the required content.

For 50+ times at least if you have one character of each profession.

Khal Drogo.9631:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

For me, the Empyreal Fragments are what I’ll finish much faster than any of the other materials (not bloodstone dust). Different methods of acquisition will appeal to different people. I hate open world bosses, I love dungeons. This won’t be the same for everyone. If you want the weapon(s), suck it up and do the required content.

For 50+ times at least if you have one character of each profession.

I’m aware of how stupid the ascended weapons are, and the grind/cost attached. I’m just avoiding actually getting them, instead of crying to a brick wall (see: ANet).

Colin Johanson to Eurogamer: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game."

…That’s not even close to how it works now, or even since launch. This would make the game way more fun for an altiholic/build maker like me.

It’s only 25 days if u do 5 dungs per day (and u do other activities too from which u get those fragments) thats imo reasonable.

The unfortunate part is, the ascended weapons have arguably the largest impact out of all ascended items, since they give a flat 5% increase to direct damage.

I just went over 250 empyreal fragments today to my surprise without even trying. I have 4 toons parked at jumping puzzles, but I’ve gotten loads of fragments from following a zerg around WvW. I’ve played maybe 3 dungeon paths. And this is 4 days after the patch? The rate of aquisition is not too slow, and you can get them from many sources.

Play WvW.

You get heaps from towers and camps. Not sure what you’re upset about to be honest, I’m not having any problems with the ascended gear. Are you doing something wrong?

Grind Wars 2

15 characters and such.

Did you expect to get all ascended weapons in a week or what?

Sil.4560:

15 characters and such.

Use spaces.

Lopez.7369:

You’re underestimating how long getting those chests takes, and that sounds even more repetitive than dungeons and jumping puzzles.

I was hoping someone would be able to justify this massive grind, but there’s no excuse that doesn’t go against the core philosophy behind Guild Wars 2. What a shame.

Run the loop. Most of these chests you can run to from the wp in no time and fighting vets in a 1-15 zone takes no time. It’s a quick run.

Uvatha.5476:

Lopez.7369:

The point is how much time it takes. Listing alternatives that take longer doesn’t address my concern; it actually makes the issue worse.

There are 5 non jumping puzzle related chests in Queensdale that can be run in a loop that takes less than 10 minutes once you know where they are. You can get these chests once a day for each character on your account. Each time I run the loop I’ve gotten between 14 to 18 fragments per character. This is an easier grind than dungeons or jp’s for the time invested and I suggest you look into it.

Locations

Vale Waypoint – Directly north under one of the harpy trees

Crossing Waypoint – North in a small cave full of wolves

Ojon’s Lumbermill Waypoint – Head north into the bandit cave. It’s near a vet bomber.

Tunwatch Redoubt Waypoint – Go south to the Clifwatch Camp poi and it’s in a tamini tent guarded by a vet.

Righteous Hoofmoot/Demongrub Pits – Enter the pits and head left to the NPC. Jump past her to the ledge with the spiders. The chest is in webs along the wall. (also Demongrub Pits is a quick easy jp you can also do to get another chest for even more fragments but you don’t have to do the jp to get the chest listed here)

I do this daily as well and my stock of these items are going up fast enough for me. TBH I think soon enough I will have to start using up normal bank slots for them and then will worry that I have too many lol.

Btw there are 2 more chests in the actual JP. The other one is just past the bats and skelk when you first start jumping on the jumping stones. That makes a total of 7 chests in Queensdale alone.

Or you could just speed farm cof p1 for the shards. With a good group you can get 120 shards an hour.

There’s a bit of a grind with the other ingredients, but at least they’re a bit easier/quicker to obtain.

20-30 dragonite per temple/dragon/golem and other daily bosses I’m missing. That means that if I do a few temples, I can usually make at least one dragonite ingot.

Bloodstone Dust is even easier. Yes, it does require farming some champions, but on the bright side, Scarlet Invasions are still happening which is a great champion farm for even casual players. Even without that, one can head to Queensdale and get quite a few champions there. Or you just make sure to kill some champions during the temple and other various events. Still a lot easier than the shards.

Considering these are all account bound materials, I just don’t see why they would restrict people so much. I figured the time gated recipes would be the main hurdle to an ascended weapon, but it’s going to take me much longer to gather the shards for the crystal. I really don’t want to have to park characters at a jumping puzzle just to make sure I’m getting a few a day.

Lopez.7369:

Colin Johanson to Eurogamer: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base. The rare stuff becomes the really awesome looking armours. It’s all about collecting the unique looking stuff and collecting all the other rare collectable items in the game: armour pieces, potentially different potions – a lot of that is still up in the air and we’ll finalise a lot of those reward systems as we get closer to release. And those come off of things like the bosses at the end of dungeons – the raids.”

OP: What exactly is your point? So, are you telling us that your level 80 is wearing lvl 32 armor or what? Or is this yet another thread where you as a gamer want something for nothing? I just dont get it….

Khal Drogo.9631:

azurrei.5691:

I’ve been spending 2-3 hours a day running around looting chests in the open world / doing a single JP for the last 4 daily CD’s and have over 1400 fragments – so that is probably about 10ish hours of work for almost 3 weapons worth.

Care to give the exact breakdown? 2-3hrs a day ONLY opening chests + 1 JP sounds about right as for 1400 I would like to see how even with alts.

Unless this is the guy that said he has 42 alts on 2 accounts in the how many alts do you have thread.

ROFL, when i see this QQ, I must seriously doubt, that certain people must have never heard something about LONG TERM MOTIVATION

These items and all their required materials are intentionally designed extra therfore, that not every 0815-noob gamer just will have all these items a couple days after the patch release already.

These items are the highest powerful items of the whole game, these items aren’t be made to get extremly quick. These items are designed for partient players which slowly work towards their goals, like working for a legendary weapon, as the ascendant weapons are itentionally designed to be basically the “bridge” between exotic items and legendary items …

31h of gameplay is absolutely not much, this is peanuts..
I would understand this complain, if gettign all these items qould require like a month of gameplay or so, as that would be really too much to get just 1 single character geared fully, as that would be absolutely again a middle finger towards all those people, which play with multiple characters…

125 Dungeon runs.. when you make like 2-3 runs a day thats then just 41 days, so a month and nearly 2 weeks, but doing 2-3 dungeon runs a day doesn’t require 24h beign ingame to do that…
What I meant with a month of gameplay is that if something requires you to play a game for like 30*24hours to aqquire something in the game, what would really be too much where I could understand then the complaint.

As nehezbegar says, if you do naturally more runs a day, it significantly decreases the required maximum time. 5 runs a day and you will need only 25 days basically within the time that you need to do these 5 runs and 5 runs don’t require 24h, 5 runs should be done in like just a few hours based on with dungeon paths you make…

Cof 1, the svanir dungeon paths all 3 are easy, thats already 4 runs and say for example ascalon path 1… Do this with a guild group that plays well to gether, skip as much enemies a possible and so on and you should be real fast in doing the 5 runs a day if not even more…

You are severely overestimating the typical player, even the typical hardcore player, if you think five dungeon runs a day is normal. Even two or three is unreasonable, especially in the context that these runs are required.

It would be one thing if this game’s dungeons were fun. But, by ArenaNet’s own admission, the dungeons are terribly designed and mindless.

Anyway, my guess is Empyreal Fragment drops get buffed soon. It’s just too difficult to come by them right now.

selan.8354:

yup and the joke is, that your bank will fill up with stacks after stacks, because u cant store more than 250 in the crafting slots which is imo ridiculous.

Don’t worry (from datamining) they will release an object in the BLC to increase your stack size by 250. They clearly know that it’s a required feature in a grindy game.
http://i.imgur.com/tZ9dJJW.png

Lopez.7369:

You are severely overestimating the typical player, even the typical hardcore player, if you think five dungeon runs a day is normal. Even two or three is unreasonable, especially in the context that these runs are required.

It would be one thing if this game’s dungeons were fun. But, by ArenaNet’s own admission, the dungeons are terribly designed and mindless.

Anyway, my guess is Empyreal Fragment drops get buffed soon. It’s just too difficult to come by them right now.

Yeah. I would say I never really enjoyed doing the dungeon runs. Now that people know them better to skip mobs or take the easiest path, they’re less aggravating, but I still dislike how killing trash is the hardest part of the dungeon.

ascended should have just stayed as trinkets amulets and backpieces, i grinded a legendary and after that i swore i’d never do that kitten again, this looks just as bad

this game seriously just keeps getting worse

I think the sad thing about all this is that people will probably finally get their ascended after all this hard work and then BANG Anet drops the crafting precursor thing on us and everyone will have to start all over again for their legendary.

So I guess some people may just want to reconsider if it’s worth bothering with this now. They did say that we will get this new option to get precursors (if it be craft of not yet is still to be decided) before the end of the year which is not too long.

Lopez.7369:

Is this intentional?

Yep. They abandoned their own ideals long ago. Grind is the new thing, apparently…

Personally I’m finding myself spending less and less time in the game as more and more chores pile up. Thankfully KoFXIII and Skullgirls hit the PC recently. I’m quite liking those.

“Owari ni shiyo ze!”

its not as bad, i hate PvE / dungeons whatever and i dont mind it… i’m almost done with my first ascended. Just run Cof p1 a few times a day

kossman.8206:

Threatening?? No.. Comical…

Games evolve… And this thread is stemming from an interview taken from September of 2011.

Some of us based our purchase decision on that kind of information you know. I could nearly be grounds for a lawsuit even no? False advertising.

Make 100 alts and park all in JP and open chest 100 times every day.

Again the game design has been misunderstood. You are not supposed to farm those things. You do some dungeons, you get some. You do a puzzle for your daily, you get some more.

You get these things by playing regularly, there is no need to farm them. Instead, you calculate the time it takes to get them to the millisecond, and complain.

AntiGw.9367:

Again the game design has been misunderstood. You are not supposed to farm those things. You do some dungeons, you get some. You do a puzzle for your daily, you get some more.

You get these things by playing regularly, there is no need to farm them. Instead, you calculate the time it takes to get them to the millisecond, and complain.

What you say would make sense, if this wasn’t Farm Wars 2. The playerbase has been pampered with the ability to farm their way to whatever they want.