Guild Wars 2

Before all the fanboys get themselves all tied up in a not; let me first start off by saying disregard all the non-sense talk about how it takes time to develop content. We all know it takes time to develop content; what I want to talk about is poor business decisions and planning.

The fact is they knew they had competitors releasing games late spring and early summer. I find it incredibly unlikely they thought they could ride the tails of the feature patch while those new competing games are offering fresh new content; but hey maybe they didn’t. So yes they have been releasing patches, but it hasn’t been exciting new content. Its been “filler recycled content” basically uninteresting, hence the reason for massive player decline due to other games being released. I’ve been an avid player since pre-launch and the last 3.5 to 4months there has been easily a 35-40% decline in players. Besides feature patch day which saw an influx of about 30% but then it dropped again about 24hrs later.

So we’re approaching my point. Why would they make such a poor business decision to not offer new fresh exciting content for 3.5-4months? Maybe they’re short staffed or maybe as I said above they need time; or more likely they just don’t have the resources. This brings me to my next point, that being planning. They knew for far longer than 4 months which is what they say is there developing lead time to produce content. They knew for far longer what they were working on, I’m willing to bet a lot of what we are seeing now has been worked on for over a year. Granted they told us a few weeks prior to this late sping early summer content dip; but why?

Gamers have 10sec attention spans. To leave their game with little to no new content besides a few festivals and whatnot most of us have left to new and better things. Another point I’d like to make is they think that hey, our game is free they’ll comeback. Wrong, it takes way more resources to get a gamer back once they have left. Meaning they have to produce absolutely incredible new content to get even a fraction of those players back in the game.

After almost two years I’d like to see new dungeons, new zones, new fractal levels and difficulties, new races, new classes, new weapons, and the list goes on etc… etc… I doubt this will happen. Im guessing when july 1st rolls around starting Season 2 LS were going to get pushed into one of the low-level jungle area maps; do some zerg-fest achievement fests; but hey its permanent now since they’re implementing a LS tab in the hero panel.

My predictions are maybe a new map, maybe one dungeon, a few fractal level difficulties, possibly a race, one already existing weapon for each class. I predict all this to happen near or at the end of season 2. All of this equals sad to see the game die when it could have been great

Persica.9728:

Its been “filler recycled content” basically uninteresting, hence the reason for massive player decline due to other games being released. I’ve been an avid player since pre-launch and the last 3.5 to 4months there has been easily a 35-40% decline in players.

Source for this info? because according to anet they are ridding the prosperity wave right now with an incredible player base after only being out for one year.

“If you look at any game ever made, a year after release, sales are always dropping – that’s just very normal,” responded Colin Johanson. "We’re also very happy with the rate the sales have been dropping down. It’s actually dropped much less than we would have forecasted.

“Something people forget about a lot is that we’re already the fastest-selling MMO in history, so even if sales are declining a little bit, that’s on the fastest selling MMO in history. We don’t really have a problem with that.

Later, he added: "Some of our players believe that because we are doing this Living World seasons, and these features or these big feature-builds, that it means that the features you would traditionally get in an expansion, or the content you would traditionally get in an expansion, is not something that will get added to Guild Wars 2. And that is not true at all.

“Not only are we doing those things, new features and content you would traditionally get from a boxed expansion are also things that will be added to Guild Wars 2.

“… but we absolutely are going to do sweeping new features that you would traditionally only get in expansions – large regions, content and progression additions to your characters in the form of growth and professions and races. Those are all things that you will see in the lifespan of Guild Wars 2.”

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Anet goes back on their words a countless times not to mention the vast amount of ninja nerfs they never mention in patch notes…
I don’t believe anything until its official released and I see it.

There was a time where anet said there was no chance of ascended gear lol.
They keep saying they are working on xpac like content…. ok we will see.. but right now, I don’t believe it and I have absolutely no reason to believe it. Anet has gone back on their words on multiple things, no reason for me to put my trust in their words again

they say this stuff now but thats because that is what the entire community WANTS TO HEAR. You honestly think anet will come out and publicly say “nah we aren’t really focusing on xpac like content, our primary focus will remain LS + gemstore”

Aleglast.6027:

Source for this info? because according to anet they are ridding the prosperity wave right now with an incredible player base after only being out for one year.
“If you look at any game ever made, a year after release, sales are always dropping – that’s just very normal,” responded Colin Johanson. "

The game has been out 2 years August, not one year. I don’t know what game you’re playing, but most of the game is dead. What you’re experiencing is the result of the megaserver changes resulting in de-facto server merges without having to actual physically merge them.

Also your post is quoting anet almost a year ago. So this info is so way outdated it’s not even funny. Your post also proves my point they haven’t added much of any new content. Features don’t qualify as playable content. What good are features without stuff to do??

“… but we absolutely are going to do sweeping new features that you would traditionally only get in expansions – large regions, content and progression additions to your characters in the form of growth and professions and races. Those are all things that you will see in the lifespan of Guild Wars 2.”

This stuff aint coming out any time soon guaranteed. If it does pigs will fly out of my butt. Large Regions is coming out more than likely a year out form now which is going to be the 3 year mark.

SkiTz.4590:

Anet goes back on their words a countless times not to mention the vast amount of ninja nerfs they never mention in patch notes…
I don’t believe anything until its official released and I see it.

There was a time where anet said there was no chance of ascended gear lol.
They keep saying they are working on xpac like content…. ok we will see.. but right now, I don’t believe it and I have absolutely no reason to believe it. Anet has gone back on their words on multiple things, no reason for me to put my trust in their words again

they say this stuff now but thats because that is what the entire community WANTS TO HEAR. You honestly think anet will come out and publicly say “nah we aren’t really focusing on xpac like content, our primary focus will remain LS + gemstore”

Ok, think about something for a second, Gw2 has been out for just over 1 YEAR! and they have already released tons of content for that first year, it took wow over 2 years for their first expansion, i dont know why everyone in this game is so dam impatient.

Also, they currently hold the best MMO in existence, if you honestly dont think that they are going to add huge updates to it then you are wrong. Currently from the gem store they rake in more money than monthly subs could ever pull in. They have 350 employees. There will be something Huge, and in my oppinion it will be very soon. But i am prepared to wait until next year for it because they shouldnt be required to release anything huge for another year.

Aleglast.6027:

Ok, think about something for a second, Gw2 has been out for just over 1 YEAR!

This game was release August 2012. In two months 2 years. Big difference from just over a year. Just over a year would be like 8 months ago.

Aleglast.6027:

SkiTz.4590:

Anet goes back on their words a countless times not to mention the vast amount of ninja nerfs they never mention in patch notes…
I don’t believe anything until its official released and I see it.

There was a time where anet said there was no chance of ascended gear lol.
They keep saying they are working on xpac like content…. ok we will see.. but right now, I don’t believe it and I have absolutely no reason to believe it. Anet has gone back on their words on multiple things, no reason for me to put my trust in their words again

they say this stuff now but thats because that is what the entire community WANTS TO HEAR. You honestly think anet will come out and publicly say “nah we aren’t really focusing on xpac like content, our primary focus will remain LS + gemstore”

Ok, think about something for a second, Gw2 has been out for just over 1 YEAR! and they have already released tons of content for that first year, it took wow over 2 years for their first expansion, i dont know why everyone in this game is so dam impatient.

Also, they currently hold the best MMO in existence, if you honestly dont think that they are going to add huge updates to it then you are wrong. Currently from the gem store they rake in more money than monthly subs could ever pull in. They have 350 employees. There will be something Huge, and in my oppinion it will be very soon. But i am prepared to wait until next year for it because they shouldnt be required to release anything huge for another year.

buddy its about to be 2 years since its release once August arrives… I promise you there won’t be xpac like content by August lol.
gw1 released in april 05 i think? they released an xpac (factions) in april 06… and factions was an overwhelming succesful xpac… In the near 2 years gw2 has been out, there has hardly been anything close to prophecis + factions given the timeframe gw2 has had to work with so far…. 350 employees….. their entire focus has been LS + gemstore item and now, china….
2 years and still nothing new for PvP, its been thrown aside completely. WvW is dull as its ever been. EoTM was only added because of the outcry for terrible waiting times to even get into wvw. Dungs are STILL the same. fractals got 1 revamp lol, no new profession/race/skills/….no expanded weapon sets for classes…. ya I’m really going to believe now is the time for big xpac like content… keep dreaming pal, won’t happen this year.

Simple truth is, for me anyways; that I just don’t believe a word Anet says anymore. Not a single thing until it actually happens. Also, best mmo in existence; that’s an opinion, one I do not share. It’s good yes (with a metric kittenton of potential) but best? No. But that’s just my opinion.

What competitors?

Aleglast.6027:

Persica.9728:

Its been “filler recycled content” basically uninteresting, hence the reason for massive player decline due to other games being released. I’ve been an avid player since pre-launch and the last 3.5 to 4months there has been easily a 35-40% decline in players.

Source for this info? because according to anet they are ridding the prosperity wave right now with an incredible player base after only being out for one year.

ArenaNet would never admit to a rapidly declining playerbase, whether it be true or false wouldn’t matter. Its not really something a company would want to be known. At this moment, yes, I’m sure their playerbase has increased. Why? China.

But from my experience in game. Looking at all of my guild rosters, friend/follower lists, and talking with others about their own observations – it is pretty clear that people have been dropping off.

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

Sakri.7234:

… Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

O.O

Well I’m sure ArenaNet is happy to have a player like you as a customer. >.>

Sakri.7234:

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

your wishing a cloud my friend, very very doubtful that all that content will be released. Its sad for me to say but I expect about 5% of that to be released

Persica.9728:

I’ve been an avid player since pre-launch and the last 3.5 to 4months there has been easily a 35-40% decline in players. Besides feature patch day which saw an influx of about 30% but then it dropped again about 24hrs later.

Gamers have 10sec attention spans. To leave their game with little to no new content besides a few festivals and whatnot most of us have left to new and better things.

All of this equals sad to see the game die when it could have been great

Made up metrics does not a strong argument make.

MMOs are huge projects. The production schedules for content has almost no relation to whatever it is people think their competitors, whoever they are, are doing.

Also your subjective measure of how populated the server is honestly says nothing about the financial health of the game. Simultaenous online players are a cost in terms of bandwidth and server load. Revenue comes from initial sales and from gem store sales, and you can learn practically nothing about either of those based on how many people are hanging around outside of dungeon entrances, or whatever you’re trying to measure.

Alteraphim.4629:

Made up metrics does not a strong argument make.

Absolute made up metrics do.

Foosnark.1784:

MMOs are huge projects. The production schedules for content has almost no relation to whatever it is people think their competitors, whoever they are, are doing.

Also your subjective measure of how populated the server is honestly says nothing about the financial health of the game. Simultaenous online players are a cost in terms of bandwidth and server load. Revenue comes from initial sales and from gem store sales, and you can learn practically nothing about either of those based on how many people are hanging around outside of dungeon entrances, or whatever you’re trying to measure.

just because a project is huge, doesnt mean you cant time its release to your satisfaction, in fact i would say more often then not, huge projects are timed. Look at like almost every big movie in the last 10 years.

Simultaneous online players is a data point, its meant to give an idea about the type of traffic you are getting. If the % of players and the amount they will spend is fairly static, then increasing your numbers is highly likely to increase revenue, but this a known factor in business, the more people who walk by your shop, the more likely you are to get sales.

That said we have no good measurements, but even though people like to dismiss anecdotal evidence, it generally tends to reflect some aspects of the truth, though it may not show the whole picture.

That said, i do think the OP is a bit more doom and gloom than the actual situation is. And its possible that a strong LS could turn things around anyhow. Even if it doesnt do it completely, truth is if they make a couple hits in a row, that will keep people entertained, its really more about what have you done lately than what have you done before.

So, while i agree that they had a pretty big lull, and havent generated a big feeling of growth and satisfaction coming on 2 years, i acknowledge they still got a pretty good game, and they still have the ability to have a great run, they just got to hit it off really well with the rest of the year.

Must say, hasnt been too great this year though.

Persica.9728:

Sakri.7234:

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

your wishing a cloud my friend, very very doubtful that all that content will be released. Its sad for me to say but I expect about 5% of that to be released

Seems like you hate facts…lol. You asume alot, with no real backup. 5%…really mate, 5%….of what. Casting random numbers and being a complete cat is not the right way to go if you want to change the game into anything better than what it already is.

So be quiet and let the sane people write on the forums. We dont need you bullcrap threads, this thread will not give anything to anyone…so just close it.

Mishee.5719:

Persica.9728:

Sakri.7234:

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

your wishing a cloud my friend, very very doubtful that all that content will be released. Its sad for me to say but I expect about 5% of that to be released

Seems like you hate facts…lol. You asume alot, with no real backup. 5%…really mate, 5%….of what. Casting random numbers and being a complete cat is not the right way to go if you want to change the game into anything better than what it already is.

So be quiet and let the sane people write on the forums. We dont need you bullcrap threads, this thread will not give anything to anyone…so just close it.

I’m expressing my opinion that we are left with a game that could have been great that is now boring and old content. Also not once have they stated that they are absolutely going to release that in July. So its not a fact; therefore I cant hate what isn’t even going to be there in the first place. All that we know is living world story starts in July and with nearly 2 years of a track record I and many others don’t expect much.

Also never once have I said that the percentages that I have been giving are statistically accurate there merely observations I and many others have observed over nearly 2 years. To argue that the game in its current state is in a good place is a fallacy and naive. If the game in currents state was as you say then they would have no reason to release any new fresh content.

Could this have not gone in the other thread?

Anyway:

1. Where are you pulling these numbers from? Making up numbers really doesn’t make your argument more right.

2. We know why they haven’t released any new content; they were working on the China launch.

3. It seems you’ve misunderstood what will be happening in S2. The story elements will be the ones that you unlock as permanent content. The ope-world content is there to compliment the story. Once complete, it’ll unlock achievements to do, which they’ve described as challenging (of course, we’ll have no idea until it’s actually released). They’re moving away from the meta-achievements. This content is most likely to be solo-content, given how they’ve said it’s sort of like a continuation of the personal story.

4. In terms of new maps, I doubt we’ll be pushed into an existing map. Not only have the devs hinted at S2 branching to a new location, but someone has also datamined a new area.

Sakri.7234:

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

Please, PM me your dealer. I would love some of whatever it is that you are currently under the influence of

Persica.9728:

Mishee.5719:

Persica.9728:

Sakri.7234:

So sick of this doom and gloom. Wait until July when we’ll probably get new areas, races, weapons and all that other stuff that peeps have been asking for. Anet has always delivered, and I don’t believe for a second they will disappoint this time.

your wishing a cloud my friend, very very doubtful that all that content will be released. Its sad for me to say but I expect about 5% of that to be released

Seems like you hate facts…lol. You asume alot, with no real backup. 5%…really mate, 5%….of what. Casting random numbers and being a complete cat is not the right way to go if you want to change the game into anything better than what it already is.

So be quiet and let the sane people write on the forums. We dont need you bullcrap threads, this thread will not give anything to anyone…so just close it.

I’m expressing my opinion that we are left with a game that could have been great that is now boring and old content. Also not once have they stated that they are absolutely going to release that in July. So its not a fact; therefore I cant hate what isn’t even going to be there in the first place. All that we know is living world story starts in July and with nearly 2 years of a track record I and many others don’t expect much.

Also never once have I said that the percentages that I have been giving are statistically accurate there merely observations I and many others have observed over nearly 2 years. To argue that the game in its current state is in a good place is a fallacy and naive. If the game in currents state was as you say then they would have no reason to release any new fresh content.

Okay, so first of. You need to say that your using “observations” when putting out random numbers. Second, if you don’t know, you don’t KNOW! So your asuming the worst…And what do you even mean with the current state of the game. Anet got statics on what the playerbase looks like right now, five minutes ago and so on. If they say its good, its good. So if a game is good, they dont need to put out more content…? Yeah, thats a naive opinion based on nothing els but your narrow-minded thoughts.

I love seeing people keep mentioning WoW, I just came from there as Blizzard are killing thier own game, not listening to the playerbase, adding changes that are alienating subscribers by the day, lack of communication , not answering questions on fixing issues that grow bigger by the day ..

The biggest way to kill a MMO, is for the maker to kill it themselves . I have higher hopes for ANet than Blizzard as they do at least seem to want to improve, ala S2…….

Heck even Megaservers are an improvement on what the state of WoW is right now, 70% or more of the servers are dead / comatose and they refuse to even acknoledge it, or merge like GW2 have done. so concidering Blizzrd have had 10 yrs and ANet only 2 almost, lets maybe see how it goes, after all we are weeks away from S2 ………

It is very impressive for me how the fairy tale nothing changed and was added in the last two years can survive such a long time.

We had a lot of changes and many additions to the game including new skills and traits, new tracks and a new game mode for sPvP, a progression and skill system for WvW and many more.

I can understand you don’t like the additions but to deny the additions at all is the wrong habit in my eyes.

There is a ton of “the glass is half empty” people here lol.

THIS GAME IS FUN. ENJOY IT. STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT WILL COME. START ENJOYING WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.

edit: these are not rage caps btws, they are like, “commmmon be happy!” caps. just so you dont take it wrong.

I guess finishing whatever ANet had to do for the China launch was more important than competing with two wannabe sub games. ANet took a chance. However, I predict that when season 2 hits, all the people who don’t want to pay a sub for an out-and-out raid-centric game or a forlorn hope will be back.

From a previous post:

‘WvW is dull as its ever been. EoTM was only added because of the outcry for terrible waiting times to even get into wvw.’

I’m wondering….if WvW was so dull, why were there such long waiting times to get in that they caused an outcry? Who would someone cry out to have a wait removed to enter someplace dull?

What is this “end-game” content I keep hearing about?

The game isn’t ending so why should there ever be “end-game” content?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

From a previous post:

‘WvW is dull as its ever been. EoTM was only added because of the outcry for terrible waiting times to even get into wvw.’

I’m wondering….if WvW was so dull, why were there such long waiting times to get in that they caused an outcry? Who would someone cry out to have a wait removed to enter someplace dull?

Dull is my opinion, you may not share that opinion but thats your call and i’m totally fine with it

Mostly these wait times are in top tier servers with a high population… WvW can only have a limited amount of participants and given the fact theres very little to actually DO in the other aspects of the game (mostly PvE/open world PvE), WvW is the only other option… That is the only endgame right now for a big percentage of players… hence why theres always a lot of people trying to join

Now as to my opinion to why its dull….
1. Been the same map ever since launch basically.
2. Whoever has the bigger blob/ coverage wins. Simple game of numbers. Any1 can create a guardian in JQ server , equip a staff, hop on the zerg train and profit by spamming 1 and tagging as much as many players as you can.

Roaming is a fun part of WvW, its the only aspect that I enjoy for WvW because it somewhat tests your skills and and is way more enjoyable than following a zerg but it is by far, less rewarding than zerging…its just enjoyable, thats it.

I’ve been in EOTM a couple of times, I don’t see the point of playing it. At all.
There’s never any queues on FA.
Not to mention the whole place is just a karma training paradise.

Waste of resources.
Meanwhile WvW hasn’t had a substantial update for more than a year now? Two years?

Instead of speculating all these things, why don’t you all just wait for 1st of July? Its only like 12 days from now.

If no new content = failed development. Period. No more excuses. Move on to next game.

If awesome great new content = everybody happy.