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Posted by: Chopps.5047

Chopps.5047

If roughly 16 million votes were cast (source: today’s livestream), what does this tell us about the size of the active player base? Surely there’s a way to take a stab at that number (with some level of uncertainty). Personally, I voted about 500 times. How many times did you vote?

any engineers out there good at estimating? Statisticians?

Tin Foil Hat Hearer »—> Ranger Extraordinaire »—> “Be like water…”

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

Where is the 16 million number coming from?

Personally I vote about 200 times, but I know people who voted <10 as well.

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Posted by: Zeppelin.6832

Zeppelin.6832

I didn’t keep count of the number of times I voted, but I know it wasn’t 500… more like 100-150

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Posted by: Araziel.7201

Araziel.7201

If roughly 16 million votes were cast, what does this tell us about the size of the active player base? Surely there’s a way to take a stab at that number (with some level of uncertainty). Personally, I voted about 500 times. How many times did you vote? Maybe this information helps.

any engineers out there good at estimating? Statisticians?

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Posted by: Chopps.5047

Chopps.5047

Where is the 16 million number coming from?

Personally I vote about 200 times, but I know people who voted <10 as well.

I heard that on the livestream today (twitch.tv/guildwars2). Maybe someone has the exact number? It was 16 million something.

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Posted by: locoman.1974

locoman.1974

If roughly 16 million votes were cast, what does this tell us about the size of the active player base? Surely there’s a way to take a stab at that number (with some level of uncertainty). Personally, I voted about 500 times. How many times did you vote? Maybe this information helps.

any engineers out there good at estimating? Statisticians?

According to my calculations the estimated population of this game based on the vote is somewhere higher than 10, but lower than 16 million, with a 50% chance of error..

BTW, I think I voted about 150 times based on the amount of buttons I got as of last night, but I still had a lot of tokens I never used..

It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.

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Posted by: Meglobob.8620

Meglobob.8620

200 for me……………………………………

I can save you the trouble GW2 has approx. 500,000 players give or take a few thousand, who log in a average of 5 times per day for 2.5 million log ins…

So 16m votes, means the average votes cast was 32…

The average forum user will be much higher than that however, cause on average they play way more than average…

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Posted by: GoldenTruth.2853

GoldenTruth.2853

It’s to difficult to tell simply from taking a forum poll. People on the forums, especially ones who would actually reply to this thread bias the actual numbers. We also need to take into account some people bought the 2x vote, while many others simply didn’t want to vote because of all the clicking.

Anyway, ignoring everything I just posted I voted about 450 times.

Alara Vesmir – Guardian
Tyr Sylvison – Warrior
Illyiah – Revenant

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Posted by: Chopps.5047

Chopps.5047

It’s to difficult to tell simply from taking a forum poll. People on the forums, and especially ones who would actually reply to this thread bias the actual numbers. We also need to take into account some people bought the 2x vote, while many others simply didn’t want to vote because of all the clicking.

Anyway, ignoring everything I just posted I voted about 450 times.

Ah, these factors must create significant uncertainty in the estimate. Is there any way to bound this uncertainty? Perhaps a forum poll tells us something we can make an estimate from. I think someone with a better knowledge of statistics could make this more clear. Maybe we learn nothing from such a poll! Or maybe not?

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Posted by: JakHammer.7094

JakHammer.7094

I voted about 50 times to get support buttons for each candidate to get both minis. I logged in today about 5PM my time to cast 349 doubled to 798 meaningful votes, and got to decide whether to save the now Useless Tokens for nostalgia, since the actual polls closing time was artfully concealed unless you looked in just the right places. At least I have bonus unspent gems.

Since I think there are probably many thousands of other players who also thought the multiple statements in various places that the polls close August 5th meant at a minimum 11:59:59 PM August the 5th PDT, and more probably August 5th worldwide, that there is no way to use vote totals for any meaningful estimate.

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Posted by: DarksunG.9537

DarksunG.9537

omg.. yes lets try to tally the number of users when each user’s “vote” can vary from 0 to a few thousand.

uuuuuughh.

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Posted by: Dante.1508

Dante.1508

200 for me……………………………………

I can save you the trouble GW2 has approx. 500,000 players give or take a few thousand, who log in a average of 5 times per day for 2.5 million log ins…

So 16m votes, means the average votes cast was 32…

The average forum user will be much higher than that however, cause on average they play way more than average…

And where did the 500k get pulled from cause on most servers i see less then 10k a day (that is generous more like 5k)

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Posted by: Melchior.2135

Melchior.2135

My glasses slipped for a second while I was reading the title, and I saw “Estimating poop size based on vote tally”. And then I clicked on the thread anyway. I’m not sure if the absence of scatological statistics should be interpreted as a disappointment or a relief.

Former Guild Wars 2 fan. RIP, ArenaNet’s integrity.

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Posted by: Glovebox.5724

Glovebox.5724

I don’t think we should use this as an estimate of the active playerbase. There are some problems with this. 1)Multiple votes: People can vote infinitely. 2)How can you be sure everybody participated?

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Posted by: Mimir.4690

Mimir.4690

I voted around 120 times.

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Posted by: Venirto.4208

Venirto.4208

I voted about 10 times for Evon, and 500~ times for Ellen.

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Posted by: Ensign.2189

Ensign.2189

Voting opened roughly two weeks ago. If we guess that players earn, say, 5 votes per hour on average from adventuring, that would give an average concurrent population of around 10k players.

That might seem like a lot, but spread over 48 servers that gives an average server population of <200 players adventuring (that is, not hanging out in town or doing jump puzzles or other things that don’t give votes)…which seems a little low but not abnormally so when you think about off-peak populations.

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Posted by: Fernling.1729

Fernling.1729

I voted around 200 times, all but a few were for evon.

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Posted by: lockheedlight.5910

lockheedlight.5910

I voted about 200-250 times (estimated).

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Posted by: sinzer.4018

sinzer.4018

I didn’t vote and i know a fair few people that didn’t take part. Not done anything to do with the living story since Aetherblades.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

I had over 80 and less than 100 tickets.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: Lambent.6375

Lambent.6375

I voted around 20 times.

“Caithe, someday you’ll see, Tyria needs me. -Scarlet”

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

200 for me……………………………………

I can save you the trouble GW2 has approx. 500,000 players give or take a few thousand, who log in a average of 5 times per day for 2.5 million log ins…

So 16m votes, means the average votes cast was 32…

The average forum user will be much higher than that however, cause on average they play way more than average…

And where did the 500k get pulled from cause on most servers i see less then 10k a day (that is generous more like 5k)

Same place your numbers got pulled from, probably.

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Posted by: Tachenon.5270

Tachenon.5270

Icy cold Coke in an 8-ounce glass bottle, back when they used cane-sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup — man. That was the stuff.

Gonna guess I voted somewhere between 100 and 150 times. Just a guess, though.

The table is a fable.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

16 million votes
3 million copies sold

each account voted 5 times on average

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Posted by: Navzar.2938

Navzar.2938

Icy cold Coke in an 8-ounce glass bottle, back when they used cane-sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup — man. That was the stuff.

Gonna guess I voted somewhere between 100 and 150 times. Just a guess, though.

You can still buy that coke, but it’s more expensive since it’s usually imported from either Mexico or Canada, though I’m sure some American companies still do it. I think it’s usually about $24 for 36 twelve ounce bottles.

I voted somewhere between 200 times and 250 times.

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Posted by: Villious.8530

Villious.8530

omg.. yes lets try to tally the number of users when each user’s “vote” can vary from 0 to a few thousand.

uuuuuughh.

Lol, my thoughts exactly.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

510+ based on the buttons in my inventory. I know a friend has more than that and another was maybe half of that.

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Posted by: CobaltSixty.1542

CobaltSixty.1542

I voted once.

I played every day this past 2 weeks…

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

About 10 for Evon and just under 500 for Kiel.

This means that it’s harder to get an accurate picture of population numbers due to people voting for both candidates at once.

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Posted by: RedStar.4218

RedStar.4218

About 10 for Evon and just under 500 for Kiel.

This means that it’s harder to get an accurate picture of population numbers due to people voting for both candidates at once.

The number in the OP is the total number of votes. So you voted 510 times.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Oops… Missed that part. XD