Guild Wars 2

As a game that focuses on horizontal progression I think we need a bit more fashion in our fashion! Here are a few suggestions, changes and ideas.

1. Light, Medium, Heavy skins.
There have been many suggestions about this in the past and the most common reply was “Light can’t wear medium or heavy because it will blurr out the classes in pvp/wvw etc”.
Currently we have costumes, culling and the simplified models so why couldn’t we allow ALL the skins for ALL the classes?
Lorebreaking? Lets talk about some costumes and skins… Breaking the lore has never really been an issue with stuff beeing added into the game as long as its fun!
Having all the armors available would give everyone 3 times the ammount of skins to work with, so many new possibilities, options, etc.
Light classes would finally have pants, heaviens woudn’t be too clunky, female could be not as skimpy or even more skimpy and mediums could get rid of trench coats! This would also open many possibilites for role players.

2. Real clothes
We have caps, glasses, puff hats, top hats etc. Why not vests, shirts, jeans, pants, skirts etc? Town clothing as armor? No one uses the tonics of the sets, why not making it normal armors?

3. History!
Where did the time go?
So in GW1 we had a lot of elegant clothing for mesmers, elementalists, skintight necromancer sets, interesting monk and ranger gear. And almost all of those styles dissapeared. Thats a true shame!
Mesmers 250 years ago would wear suits, white shirts, vests, elegant armor etc and now they are left with a bra or a skinny dress. I understand that fashion changes overtime but some people like to wear vintage! Adding the old guild wars 1 armors would be awesome!
Lore-wise? Explosion of Lions Arch unburried some old archives with blueprints etc that Evon Gnashblade sold to armor-makers and now the old styled armors are back!

4. Culture
We need more culture. All of the races have been in Tyria for many many years, except the sylvari. I am pretty sure they did develope more culture than 9 armor sets each? Adding more of it would definitely make it more itneresting. Also allowing other races to wear all of the cultural sets (maybe with some reputation system you can gain with races – a bit like in gw1).

5. Costumes?!
I think recently we’ve gotten too many costumes, with even more datamined and too little actual armor sets. Costumes are awesome, and they have as amny fans as enemies. But I think replacing armor sets with costumes is a bad move. We didnt get a new armor set for months now.

6. Acquisition
I think we need new and interesting ways of getting armor sets. It doesn’t have to be difficult or extremely tedious, but making it interesting.
Currently we have the glorious armor set that is somehow unique for pvp players and that is amazing! Adding more armor sets like this is a great thing to keep players occupired in the goal of getting an armor set… or several.
Few ideas:
WvW based armor sets – 2k Badges of Honor and 50 ranks per armor piece. So at 50 you unlocked gloves at 100 boots, 150 shoulders, 200 hat, 250 pants, 300 shirts.
Random drops from JPs (account bound!)
Guild Commodations – 1 piece for 10 commodations.
Zone-related armors perhaps?

Summary

I think we need more armor sets. We’ve been getting way too many weapons and too little armors!

I totally agree. For a game that promotes horizontal progression we sure don’t seem to find that many delightful armor options (and the number that’s being released is dwindling with no indication that it’s about to look better in the future). It’s a bit saddening.

I agree, apart from this:

Umrae.5124:

5. Costumes?!
I think recently we’ve gotten too many costumes, with even more datamined and too little actual armor sets. Costumes are awesome, and they have as amny fans as enemies. But I think replacing armor sets with costumes is a bad move. We didnt get a new armor set for months now.

Some of us haven’t much RL money, and an investment in an outfit we can use while leveling, and on multiple toons, is more cost effective than a ton of transmutation charges.

Gryphon.2875:

I agree, apart from this:

Umrae.5124:

5. Costumes?!
I think recently we’ve gotten too many costumes, with even more datamined and too little actual armor sets. Costumes are awesome, and they have as amny fans as enemies. But I think replacing armor sets with costumes is a bad move. We didnt get a new armor set for months now.

Some of us haven’t much RL money, and an investment in an outfit we can use while leveling, and on multiple toons, is more cost effective than a ton of transmutation charges.

I think you misunderstood me.
I’m not against costumes! I think there should be more normal new armors, rather than only costumes
Costumes are great! but a little bit too many of them recently.

Umrae.5124:

1. Light, Medium, Heavy skins.
There have been many suggestions about this in the past and the most common reply was “Light can’t wear medium or heavy because it will blurr out the classes in pvp/wvw etc”.
Currently we have costumes, culling and the simplified models so why couldn’t we allow ALL the skins for ALL the classes?

It isn’t possible for a class to use light, medium, and heavy armor. Has nothing to do with lore or exclusivity its a technical constraint that cannot be overcome. Basically your character is a geometric mesh that is seamed in to sections, armor pieces replace those sections one by one. And the seams are not the same for light, medium, and heavy armor, meaning they cannot be mixed. Outfits on the other hand are completely different tech that basically reskins your entire body without any specifically placed seams.

Umrae.5124:

2. Real clothes
We have caps, glasses, puff hats, top hats etc. Why not vests, shirts, jeans, pants, skirts etc? Town clothing as armor? No one uses the tonics of the sets, why not making it normal armors?

Again, technical restraints, the combat animations are made to work with the armors, not the town clothes. And the town clothes are not made with the armor seams in mind. They could however make the town clothing in to outfits given time, though I don’t know if they will over just making new outfits instead.

Umrae.5124:

3. History!
Where did the time go?
So in GW1 we had a lot of elegant clothing for mesmers, elementalists, skintight necromancer sets, interesting monk and ranger gear. And almost all of those styles dissapeared. Thats a true shame!

There are two light armor suits and two medium armor ones. The hall of monuments skin as well. And more if you count gemstore skins.

Umrae.5124:

3. History! 4. Culture
We need more culture. All of the races have been in Tyria for many many years, except the sylvari. I am pretty sure they did develope more culture than 9 armor sets each? Adding more of it would definitely make it more itneresting. Also allowing other races to wear all of the cultural sets (maybe with some reputation system you can gain with races – a bit like in gw1).

I would also really love more cultural armor. However retrofitting the existing cultural armor to work for all races would be a lot of work, not sure if ANet is willing to put in the leg work. And creating cultural armor as it is, according to ANet, is a waste of time, because it is basically making armor that gets used 1/5th as often as regular armor.

Umrae.5124:

5. Costumes?!
I think recently we’ve gotten too many costumes, with even more datamined and too little actual armor sets. Costumes are awesome, and they have as amny fans as enemies. But I think replacing armor sets with costumes is a bad move. We didnt get a new armor set for months now.

Agreed, but at the same time, most of the gemstore armors aren’t purchased that much either. In fact the only people I see are the gimme-gimmeys who just have to have whatever is newest, and will get rid of it as soon as it isn’t new anymore. I doubt that’s a large portion of the playerbase. They really need to work on their monetization.

Umrae.5124:

6. Acquisition
I think we need new and interesting ways of getting armor sets. It doesn’t have to be difficult or extremely tedious, but making it interesting.
Currently we have the glorious armor set that is somehow unique for pvp players and that is amazing! Adding more armor sets like this is a great thing to keep players occupired in the goal of getting an armor set… or several.
Few ideas:
WvW based armor sets – 2k Badges of Honor and 50 ranks per armor piece. So at 50 you unlocked gloves at 100 boots, 150 shoulders, 200 hat, 250 pants, 300 shirts.
Random drops from JPs (account bound!)
Guild Commodations – 1 piece for 10 commodations.
Zone-related armors perhaps?

All been suggested many many times, ANet doesn’t seem to think armors are worth putting in as something you earn in game. Unless it keeps the throngs of carrot chasers around, like ascended armor or the glorious set.

Hey while we’re at it, can we have some new armor that looks fantastic on charr?

@Conncept.7638
the whole point of the suggestion was to point out ideas of what can be dome. In a game like this basically everything can be done (with the need of additional developing), and separate armor sets used to be previewable together (you could preview light with heavy etc), the same with cultural skins back in the day, could be previewed on other races, so the models are most likely in game already, just would need a bit of tweaks. Cultural sets beeing used 1/5th of the time? where did you get that information from? Or when/where did anet made that statement? T3 cultural sets are beeing used very, very often and its a popular gold sink also, since many people buy them for the skins etc. And most people also buy the lvl 35 and 60 cultural sets while lvling new characters, couse currently they are cheaper than TP rares or crafting armor yourself.
2 light 2 medium and everyone should be satisfied? Are you for real? GW1 had TONS of elegant armor skins for each class.
It is a suggestion, that might be looked into and not a question “why this isnt in-game?”Thus your feedback is not the most productive one.

@catsunami.8437 yes! very true! and this would also fit under the cultural bracket! couse it seems the cultural charr armor is the only pleasent looking

@Mea.5491 the struggle is real Q_Q

Umrae.5124:

@Conncept.7638
the whole point of the suggestion was to point out ideas of what can be dome. In a game like this basically everything can be done (with the need of additional developing), and separate armor sets used to be previewable together (you could preview light with heavy etc), the same with cultural skins back in the day, could be previewed on other races, so the models are most likely in game already, just would need a bit of tweaks. Cultural sets beeing used 1/5th of the time? where did you get that information from? Or when/where did anet made that statement? T3 cultural sets are beeing used very, very often and its a popular gold sink also, since many people buy them for the skins etc. And most people also buy the lvl 35 and 60 cultural sets while lvling new characters, couse currently they are cheaper than TP rares or crafting armor yourself.
2 light 2 medium and everyone should be satisfied? Are you for real? GW1 had TONS of elegant armor skins for each class.
It is a suggestion, that might be looked into and not a question “why this isnt in-game?”Thus your feedback is not the most productive one.

You are so incredibly wrong. So very, glaringly, completely, unequivocally wrong. How is it the general consensus on the internet is to assume that if you don’t know how to do something it must be easy? In what way does that make any sense?

First, previewing multiple armor weights didn’t work, your character was standing inert in a preview screen, it didn’t work between cultural armors at all, and there were clipping problems everywhere because of the varying seams, kind of like I already told you in the last post! And on top of that, the preview screen does not account for rigging and animation, both of which dwarf modeling in complexity.

Having multiple groups of armor was an unavoidable result of having such a widely varying customization system on top of such a varying group of complicated animation rigs, and at the same time the reason they can’t just pump out armor as easily as most games can. There is nothing they could do to change it. It is a result of the system and they would basically have to make a new system from scratch, starting with reseaming and rearming every single model in order to change it. And y’know what? The system that would come out of those efforts would not have more customization but less.

And my feedback isn’t constructive? I know what i’m talking about before I choose to type it out! The majority of what you are suggesting isn’t possible no matter how much you fail to comprehend why.

I uhm… wow. OP you have my full support in all these ideas!!

1) I’d imagine all armors for all classes could create some pretty devastating issues with clipping, but it’s still a great Idea that I’d love to see implemented.

2) Real clothes: sure! They already have sunglasses lol so I don’t see why not more.

3) GW2 seems to only have armor designs of the age – it’s like everyone in GW2 got all their clothes within the same decade and burned all the older clothing designs. Plus I’d really love to see more GW1 skins (even if they have to end up in the gemstore I’d still totally acquire them!)

4) How is it ANet hasn’t been able to make more cultural armor yet? Most of the gemstore armors released seem to fit better with humans than other races.

5) Although sPvP and Achievement armors are a nice addition, the game still does seem to be leaning towards the trend of outfits which constricts the imaginations of those who enjoy mixing-and-matching. Nothing unique about outfits.

6) 100% agree.

@Thanatos and @Connect thanks for your feedback! (both of you)

Umrae.5124:

2. Real clothes
We have caps, glasses, puff hats, top hats etc. Why not vests, shirts, jeans, pants, skirts etc? Town clothing as armor? No one uses the tonics of the sets, why not making it normal armors?

This. If there is a problem with needing to recognize armor type and class, then either revert to default skins in PvP and WvW or include a bit of leather or metal on the medium and heavy versions of the skin to provide a clue. But for clothing to be useful and worth buying, it needs to be something you can dye and mix and match. The tonics are silly.

First I want to say that I’m all for fashion diversity but I’m also aware that we each have our own taste and Anet has a limited budget so I’m happy if we have at least one set (headgear, armor, gloves,…) per type of stuff.

Umrae.5124:

2. Real clothes
We have caps, glasses, puff hats, top hats etc. Why not vests, shirts, jeans, pants, skirts etc? Town clothing as armor? No one uses the tonics of the sets, why not making it normal armors?

We do have some of those things already. We have a skirt in the light section (apprentice) and if it is a bit too short you can “make” another one with magician legs (see first attachment). Pants are common in the medium armor and light has a set of pants too (embroidered). We also have a jacket and jeans (at least I know female have those), you can find them in the medium armor section. Yes amongst all the trenchcoats, medium armor has a jacket and jeans (see second and third attachment). Vest has different meaning so I don’t know which you mean, but give me a better description and maybe I can find something.

3. History!
Where did the time go?
So in GW1 we had a lot of elegant clothing for mesmers, elementalists, skintight necromancer sets, interesting monk and ranger gear. And almost all of those styles dissapeared. Thats a true shame!
Mesmers 250 years ago would wear suits, white shirts, vests, elegant armor etc and now they are left with a bra or a skinny dress. I understand that fashion changes overtime but some people like to wear vintage! Adding the old guild wars 1 armors would be awesome!

Now, now not all armor is like that. You can really make some varied looks with light armor. You can go from elegant noble looking armor (see fourth attachment) to war-ready battle armor (see fifth attachment, I have a less revealing set of that type of armor as well, but I like this one more). I even made for fun a jester/clown like armor (see sixth attachment,I think I did a good job at it except for the mask). Also there are many people in this forum who would want to help you design a nice look for your character (like me), just don’t expect it to be perfect for your tastes.

Umrae.5124:

4. Culture
We need more culture. All of the races have been in Tyria for many many years, except the sylvari. I am pretty sure they did develope more culture than 9 armor sets each? Adding more of it would definitely make it more itneresting. Also allowing other races to wear all of the cultural sets (maybe with some reputation system you can gain with races – a bit like in gw1).

First cultural armor is really unproducive from a business point of view, since you are creating armor that on average 20% would even consider buying . You could solve this by adding a rng factor to it, but no one would want that. Also making cultural avaidable to all races just reduces it to “expensive” normal armor.

Umrae.5124:

I think we need more armor sets. We’ve been getting way too many weapons and too little armors!

You forgot backpacks, we got way too many backpacks.

Conncept.7638:

And my feedback isn’t constructive? I know what i’m talking about before I choose to type it out! The majority of what you are suggesting isn’t possible no matter how much you fail to comprehend why.

I’m pretty certain OP’s suggestion isn’t strictly along the merits of making all existing armor so richly customized, but going in the future with this kind of stock in mind. Next time they make a medium armor set, give consideration that trenchcoats are overplayed. Same with heavy – there’s quite a few plates, some other styles would like to get love.

Furthermore, there could be more “casual” costumes. They already have costumes available in combat, so that’s clearly not an issue – just make them more casual. Ideas that come to mind are like the BLTC representatives and some of the repairers around Tyria.

Expanding cultural armors will all races in mind would also be possible. Although I do believe at one point they were considering cultural armor for all characters and scrapped it due to time constraints, although I have no source.

I might just be reading too much into it but what you’re criticizing about and what the OP is suggesting are two different worlds.

I’ve made this suggestion in other threads before, but I think the “easiest” (but not easy, just easiest of all the hard options) way to work around the whole differing geometries and rigging of weight classes can be accomplished with two steps:

• Make helmets, shoulders, gloves, and shoes freely usable across weight classes (I believe there are no rigging or seam issues here, because there are a number of NPCs that already mix different weight gloves/boots/shoulders/helmets with light/medium/heavy armor).
• Allow the player to choose what weight class of armor a character can wear (which effectively dictates what type of skins they’re restricted to for torso and legs).

So the result is that you’ll be able to mix most anything except legs and torso, which will have to be of the same weight class.

One of the technical challenges to overcome would be to disassociate the weight class from the stats and associate it with the skins, but I think that would still be less work than remodeling and rerigging everything.

Umrae, u get so many + from me for this! U have a whole lot of super good arguments in that post!

Thanks for the feedback guys

Keep it comming!