Feature patch is neat.
But not enough to keep me playing.
I’ve been playing since release. 2 years now. I’ve been an avid supporter of this game since forever. Spent more money than I care to think about. And while living story has temporarily changed or modified some of the zones we’ve been staring at for the past 2 years, and added a whopping one (southsun), I need something fresh and new.
Dry Top was neat – but it was and still is being released so slowly that I’m already burnt out on going to that zone. WvW hasn’t changed except for one new map that’s a giant yawn fest. And PvP hasn’t changed, save rewards. Same maps. For 2 years. (except the one everyone hates)
An MMO needs more substantial change, more frequently. This is the only MMO I’ve ever heard of that hasn’t released a major expansion in it’s first 2 years. With seemingly zero plans to do so in the near future.
Time for a break. This is my feedback.
You guys move more slowly than Blizzard does.
You do understand they said, they wanted to try something different? That is what they are doing. The problem with expansions is the original faults and bugs in the game, never really get fixed as the company moves onto the expansion.
A.net said 6 months into the game, no expansions. I don’t get what people don’t understand.
You guys move more slowly than Blizzard does.
You do know you have to pay the price of GW2 to Blizzard every 3 months to play, plus the price of GW2 for each expansion, right?
20 level 80s and counting.
But not enough to keep me playing.
I’ve been playing since release. 2 years now. I’ve been an avid supporter of this game since forever. Spent more money than I care to think about. And while living story has temporarily changed or modified some of the zones we’ve been staring at for the past 2 years, and added a whopping one (southsun), I need something fresh and new.
Dry Top was neat – but it was and still is being released so slowly that I’m already burnt out on going to that zone. WvW hasn’t changed except for one new map that’s a giant yawn fest. And PvP hasn’t changed, save rewards. Same maps. For 2 years. (except the one everyone hates)
An MMO needs more substantial change, more frequently. This is the only MMO I’ve ever heard of that hasn’t released a major expansion in it’s first 2 years. With seemingly zero plans to do so in the near future.
Time for a break. This is my feedback.
You guys move more slowly than Blizzard does.
You do understand they said, they wanted to try something different? That is what they are doing. The problem with expansions is the original faults and bugs in the game, never really get fixed as the company moves onto the expansion.
A.net said 6 months into the game, no expansions. I don’t get what people don’t understand.
No, Dusty, they have never said that there wouldn’t be expansions. They simply said they didn’t know if they wanted to deliver it via living world, or a traditional box. That has been the stance since then. Nothing definitive either way, but they have never said “no expansions.”
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
The problem with expansions is the original faults and bugs in the game, never really get fixed
Lucky us that it isn’t like that with this game…
I just get on to kill stuff. If you have been playing since release and are looking for content then i feel sorry for you. There is no content for people who have played since release. Those of us that still play dont know why. Some enjoy it some just want to kitten around.
The feature pack has nothing major and does not address the bugs we still have since release. There has been 0 effort to fix the random character stuck bug or the mobility skills spazzing out when used. The game caters to casuals and new players now so if you are looking for something as an old player then you are looking in the wrong place.
If you have been playing since release and have done everything up to the recent 20 min long living story then you have 0 content to do in pve, wvw, and pvp. The only reason you should still be playing is for kitten ing around or helping your friends that are new to the game. As sad as it seems. There is no content for people who have been playing since release.
You do understand they said, they wanted to try something different? That is what they are doing. The problem with expansions is the original faults and bugs in the game, never really get fixed as the company moves onto the expansion.
A.net said 6 months into the game, no expansions. I don’t get what people don’t understand.
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working?
Trying something different is great. But don’t expect applause just because it’s different.
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working for them?
FTFY. Because it’s working for me and many other people.
20 level 80s and counting.
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working for them?
FTFY. Because it’s working for me and many other people.
I guess that explains your signature.
The table is a fable.
I have no signature, but I still agree with Listenbird.
Opinions are personal, they don’t apply to “the” playerbase.
Five months ago we had a feature patch. Two months ago, Anet provided us with an entire zone which is still there. Now we have another feature patch.
While I would love for every single feature patch to rewrite the game and making it totally amazing, I don’t feel that’s realistic. I don’t feel it’s a fair expectation.
Five months. During that time China launched. I’m pretty sure even devs have to sleep at some point.
There are a lot of good changes in this patch, even if they don’t go as far as we want. But it’s quite a few changes considering it’s been five months.
Anyway we still have two days to go and I’m happy to wait for the patch notes to see stuff like bug fixes, etc, which also accompany the patch but don’t usually get listed in the blog.
I have no signature, but I still agree with Listenbird.
Opinions are personal, they don’t apply to “the” playerbase.
This. Everyone that has an axe to angrily grind and thinks they know how to run a game company can stop acting like they speak for me and anyone else /besides/ themselves.
Thanks.
“If half as many people were half as brave in real life as they were online…
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working for them?
FTFY. Because it’s working for me and many other people.
I guess that explains your signature.
There’s nothing to explain because both Feature patches consisted of features and bug fixes, and my threads are about features and bug fixes. None of them say “I We need an expansion” or “Living story is not enough!”.
Living story is working for me. I don’t want a week’s worth of content once in half a year (for extra charge), I’m glad with smaller incremental content updates which let me play both new and old content in a balanced proportion.
20 level 80s and counting.
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Personally, I believe a lot of the groaning and moaning going on in these forums at the moment is a case of fear of the unknown.
Players become worried because feature patches promise change, and they’re not sure if they’re going to like it, so they prepare by assuming the worst. Then they read the pessimistic ramblings of others, and these posts amplify each other.
Feature patches are especially prone to these behavioural patterns, because they promise actual changes (“improvements”) to the base workings of the game, rather than just the addition of new stuff, or the tweaking of balance issues and bugs. No, things that exist now may actually work differently or not at all after the update. People are afraid that their favourite toys will be broken or taken away by the big bad company, while they are powerless to stop it.
So they threaten to quit, say they don’t like it in advance, complain about everything they can think of. It’s a coping mechanism. If they decide in advance to not like the update, or to disavow the entire game, that gives them back the sense of control that they lost when ArenaNet first announced that a new Feature Update was coming that could change the things they know.
If you throw away the toy before the big bad company can break it, then the big bad company can’t hurt you. Even if the toy ends up unbroken, or improved. You can always pick it up again afterwards (without making a peep on the forums).
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You guys move more slowly than Blizzard does.
You do know you have to pay the price of GW2 to Blizzard every 3 months to play, plus the price of GW2 for each expansion, right?
Even leaving that aside, they still move faster then Blizzard.
WoW’s been in a 1+ year content drought, and outside of that drought only gets content patches (which aren’t even that big) two or so times a year.
People need to learn what “additive” means. Yes, they haven’t had an expansion. No, that doesn’t mean they’ve put out less content then an expansion would have in the same time span. GW2 puts out a comparative (even high compared to some) amount of content to other MMOs, it’s just spread out into frequent bite sized bits.
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working for them?
FTFY. Because it’s working for me and many other people.
Thanks. I forget that whenever people express an opinion, everyone assumes they are trying to speak for the entire player base.
I wasn’t. I wasn’t saying the people who are complaining are. I don’t see any reason to think that DustyMoon thought Stark was attempting to speak for anyone but themself.
But yeah, you’re right. I need to be more careful with my words to make sure that people don’t try to derail from what I’m saying by distracting with the old “You don’t speak for the entire player base” straw man.
It all goes back to the temporary content issues. If Marionette, Nightmare Tower, and Escape from Lion’s Arch, Aetherblade retreat and Molten Facility, dragon ball, the festival of the four winds, the pavillion and SAB were somehow still in the game, we wouldn’t likely be having these conversations.
Well, at least parts of Molten Facility and Aetherblade Retreat are still in the game (as Fractals).
Well, at least parts of Molten Facility and Aetherblade Retreat are still in the game (as Fractals).
Altered versions of them that you may or may not get. Let’s pretend I wanted to run Aetherblade retreat. I can run fractals for a week and get neither of the fractals for it. Maybe I don’t enjoy dredge or hillside (I do, but that’s another matter).
I mean playing a fractal is another form of RNG. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t. I don’t like to trust my free time to RNG. If I’m walking into a dungeon, I want to know what I’m getting.
I play Fractals when I have lots of extra free time.
Have you considered that people do understand, but they’re trying to convey that the “something different” ArenaNet wanted to try isn’t working for them?
FTFY. Because it’s working for me and many other people.
I guess that explains your signature.
There’s nothing to explain because both Feature patches consisted of features and bug fixes, and my threads are about features and bug fixes. None of them say “
IWe need an expansion” or “Living story is not enough!”.Living story is working for me. I don’t want a week’s worth of content once in half a year (for extra charge), I’m glad with smaller incremental content updates which let me play both new and old content in a balanced proportion.
I figure anybody who started with the OP and made it this far down without skipping anything in between will get the pint. Er, point. Moving on.
The table is a fable.
Personally, I believe a lot of the groaning and moaning going on in these forums at the moment is a case of fear of the unknown.
Players become worried because feature patches promise change, and they’re not sure if they’re going to like it, so they prepare by assuming the worst. Then they read the pessimistic ramblings of others, and these posts amplify each other.
You’ve left out the other half, which is past experience. Fear of the unknown, plus a history of seeing some things in patches which seemed really backwards (to the person who feels that way and not necessarily to anyone else in the entire player base, Lishtenbird).
Players who are still bewildered by things like ascended gear, fractal level reset, WvW bloodlust, or the new trait system are not only randomly afraid of the unknown, they are operating from “once bitten, twice shy” state (but just the ones who feel that way, and in no way the entire playerbase, Lishtenbird).
Personally, I believe a lot of the groaning and moaning going on in these forums at the moment is a case of fear of the unknown.
Players become worried because feature patches promise change, and they’re not sure if they’re going to like it, so they prepare by assuming the worst. Then they read the pessimistic ramblings of others, and these posts amplify each other.
You’ve left out the other half, which is past experience. Fear of the unknown, plus a history of seeing some things in patches which seemed really backwards (to the person who feels that way and not necessarily to anyone else in the entire player base, Lishtenbird).
Players who are still bewildered by things like ascended gear, fractal level reset, WvW bloodlust, or the new trait system are not only randomly afraid of the unknown, they are operating from “once bitten, twice shy” state (but just the ones who feel that way, and in no way the entire playerbase, Lishtenbird).
This I agree with. Anet has the habit of shooting themselves in the foot far too often.
I believe their heart is in the right place, they just need better communication.
The problem with expansions is the original faults and bugs in the game, never really get fixed
Lucky us that it isn’t like that with this game…
Yeah the new bugs so aren’t the problem with releasing new content, the problem is the old bugs and old design flaws. Before there are any of those things considered, they need to seriously take the time and fix those things otherwise it doesn’t matter how many new boxes or LS patches they release some people won’t be able to play. IE condition stacking, lack of rewards, no non-violent systems, the things that keep people playing for years are the things that are broken right now.
Balance Team: Please Fix Mine Toolbelt Positioning!
Expansion come and I can see many people leaveing in fact. Even Blizard says that expansions making it hard for old player to come back.
I think LS is a good idea for making the wold vivid but what is lacking is perma content like new dunguons new pvp modes
u know things u can repeat
plus what is also really lacking in this game is things u want archive by playing certain content every award is centerd around the gemstore. I can see why anet need this but it also makes no reason to do Aetherpath for example to get the skin if u can buy it in the gem store.
Fractal skins are the only weapon skins u cant buy ? i think
and they are rng so no prestige object at all ingame
Expansion come and I can see many people leaveing in fact. Even Blizard says that expansions making it hard for old player to come back.
I think LS is a good idea for making the wold vivid but what is lacking is perma content like new dunguons new pvp modes
u know things u can repeat
plus what is also really lacking in this game is things u want archive by playing certain content every award is centerd around the gemstore. I can see why anet need this but it also makes no reason to do Aetherpath for example to get the skin if u can buy it in the gem store.
Fractal skins are the only weapon skins u cant buy ? i think
and they are rng so no prestige object at all ingame
You can’t buy dungeon skins either.
Edit: Well you can PvP for them. Is that the same as buying thought?
@Gibson:
Agreed, if being presented with content that disappoints can be considered “to be bitten”.
What many of these angry, disappointed or scared people are claiming is also that [NEW HYPE GAME X] will “kill” Guild Wars 2. However, what they fail to realize is that Guild Wars 2 does not aim to be the next “hype game” the way other MMOs are with all their annual expansions.
Instead, Guild Wars 2 tries to be the “home game” where players can safely return to when whatever hype they have been following recently runs dry. After all, it’s easy to just start up Guild Wars 2 again. You’ve already paid for it, and due to the gradual but continuous addition of new content, there will always be new stuff to discover if you haven’t logged on in a while.
So Guild Wars 2 does not try to shackle its players as frantically as the “hype games” do, but instead tries to create a memorable enough impression that the players will return later. Do not underestimate the “I’m bored. Oh yeah, I still have GW2 installed. I guess I’ll check it out again” vibe.
(Meanwhile, Guild Wars 2 also continually tries to attract new players, because ArenaNet knows that not every player will return from any given “hype”. Which is why much effort is expended to keep the game accessible and welcoming to new players, perhaps even moreso than it was at launch.)
What many of these angry, disappointed or scared people are claiming is also that [NEW HYPE GAME X] will “kill” Guild Wars 2.
Yeah, that’s just silly rhetoric. It’s like the inevitable reference to a certain German Genocidal National Socialist party that is censored here comment in any internet conversation.
Although it is interesting to see ArenaNet’s timing on these feature packs and new WvW tournaments line up with competitor releases. But that’s just good business practice.
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To be frank, many short-lived MMOs are hype games with a good start, but rapidly declining interest after a few months. Age of Conan comes to mind, but also World of Warcraft – but only if you consider every expansion to be a separate “hype game”.
What I mean to say is that there are plenty of games whose continued existence is tied to how long they can prolong their “hype” status.
@Gibson:
Agreed, if being presented with content that disappoints can be considered “to be bitten”.
Yes, although I’d go a little further than “disappoints”. The releases I specifically named had more of a “What the…?” or “Who asked for that?” reaction from their respective communities (but not, in any way, the entire player base, especially not Lishtenbird).
Disappointing content or tweaks come and go, but there are those that hit a portion of the playerbase like a kick to a dog who is expecting a treat. The kind of thing that leaves people going, “Where did that come from?” (but only those people, not the entire playerbase).