Guild Wars 2

Meglobob.8620:

It looks pretty…

Is this map like skyhammer where you can knockback/fear other players off cliffs to there certain doom?

How funny…this is going to be like the film 300 where the WvW players are going to push the PvE players off the cliffface by the 1,000’s…

OMG the loots bags…

Can see it now set up the siege to herd the PvE’s to the cliffs then PvE player geddon…

I think I am going to love the next living story instalment…

Victory.2879:

So basically EoTM looked like it was quite nice, so the LS juggernaut has grabbed it and thrown wvw players in the trash again?

Seriously, EoTM was supposed to be a much needed update to WVW, not some crappy addition to the LS storyline filled with loads of pve monsters…oh well, gave up believing anything ANet said a long time ago, so I shouldn’t be surprised really.

So instead of saying BAM! Here’s a new map, they instead decide to incorporate this into the story of the game and try to draw as many players as possible into it, instead of the niche group of WvW’ers. Yeah.. That’s just crazy talk.

Oh man, I can see some of the guilds that like to turtle in towers with a ton of siege having some real fun camping PvE objectives, that’s gonna be great.

Kaos.9162:

Oh man, I can see some of the guilds that like to turtle in towers with a ton of siege having some real fun camping PvE objectives, that’s gonna be great.

Arrow carts everywhere, build more arrow carts! Oh the fun to be had.

I was very unhappy when you forced scarlet into fractals, this make me just as unhappy. I have recently become more of a fan of the LS and how AN has been telling more of the story. But really dislike when you release a new feature, a new map in this case and force her into it. If it was part of the world, then I would understand. But this is a new wvw map. Why is she involved? I am sure there is a story there as to what she has to do with it, but why does it have to be that way?

Arrowcarts and Trebs, those lemmings (err walking loot bags, err I mean nice PvE players) are coming…

Let none escape…make them squeal…

Karizee.8076:

Very excited for this update – the map is MASSIVE and gorgeous too!

Any info on map size, any link?

KOPPER.1458:

I was very unhappy when you forced scarlet into fractals, this make me just as unhappy. I have recently become more of a fan of the LS and how AN has been telling more of the story. But really dislike when you release a new feature, a new map in this case and force her into it. If it was part of the world, then I would understand. But this is a new wvw map. Why is she involved? I am sure there is a story there as to what she has to do with it, but why does it have to be that way?

Because she’s been trying to harness the Mists for a while now….. Something to do with her plan..

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Kaos.9162:

Oh man, I can see some of the guilds that like to turtle in towers with a ton of siege having some real fun camping PvE objectives, that’s gonna be great.

Arrow carts everywhere, build more arrow carts! Oh the fun to be had.

Naw, Anet will probably nerf the arrow carts at the same time.

While this is an unexpected and good addition to W3, As most of us weren’t thinking anything W3 related was being added til April at the earliest. Still… Inb4 PvE Ganking Complaints. Gonna have fun with this patch xD

WvWers stop looking at the PvE players as bad things. They increase your bag count by tenfold whenever they come in!

I’d like to note I don’t dislike PvE players as a whole, I dislike the PvE players who come In on winning weeks or patches like this. Then try to act like they are gods of WvW and can’t be wrong on anything, and try to tell WvWers how to play WvW…. yet when it’s a close match or losing week they’re suddenly no longer there lol

How will EotM work anyway as a WvW map? If it’s a single overflow, that means there will be a lot more than just red/green/blue I would think. Unless they assign you as a color when you get put in there. Is it going to be fully open PvP then? or?

Neural.1824:

How will EotM work anyway as a WvW map? If it’s a single overflow, that means there will be a lot more than just red/green/blue I would think. Unless they assign you as a color when you get put in there. Is it going to be fully open PvP then? or?

Alot of us are praying (really hard) that this isnt tied to servers – otherwise it is just one more thing that makes the large servers more enticing than those who actually need the people.

Blaeys.3102:

Neural.1824:

How will EotM work anyway as a WvW map? If it’s a single overflow, that means there will be a lot more than just red/green/blue I would think. Unless they assign you as a color when you get put in there. Is it going to be fully open PvP then? or?

A lot of us are praying (really hard) that this isn’t tied to servers – otherwise it is just one more thing that makes the large servers more enticing than those who actually need the people.

^this^ … really hard

AFAIK it is not tied to any server…

Players just get given a colour and that’s the side your on…

It fills up to maxium player count, then another is created and starts filling and so on…

Just one question can you invite your guild buddies to the particular map your on?

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I like how PvE players have recieved 2-3 hours of content every 2 weeks for over 6 months now, but the moment WvW players get something new and exciting the PvE players scream that they never get anything.

WvW players have 2 maps, PvP players have about 6 maps, PvE players have like 25 maps.
If anyone should get new maps it’s WvW players. They have been in the borderlands and Eternal Battleground since launch, and now that they get a new place people scream at them.

I know, right? Look at all the… wait…what? Where are you getting that from?

This will not be tied to specific servers.

Players will be grouped with players from different servers based on their color for the week….e.g….. all “red” players will be grouped together.

To pure PvE players: so sorry that you have to deal with the “inconvenience” of dealing with PvP in a map that was SUPPOSED to be a long-awaited WvW update.

To WvW/PvX players: so sorry that ANet decided to cram more LS into WvW after very clear feedback that it wasn’t welcomed. At best, we might find some PvE players end up liking WvW. At worst, enjoy the extra loot bags.

To ANet: one of the abiding laws of any creative endeavor from art to cooking to development: “KNOW WHEN TO STOP.” Too much spice ruins what could have been a good meal. That last dab of paint in the lower right corner just changed the entire feel of the artwork. Too much Scarlet shoved down players throats may cause massive aversion to LS and the game.

To those who can extract fun from this new content despite the unwelcome fusion of PvE/ LS and WvW: enjoy!

-Still waiting for the “real” WvW update of account-bound wxp.

All right, time for my 2 cents.

I saw the video and as a pretty much non-WvW, non PvP player I was disappointed. Not about the map, it’s great and we all knew it was coming – I’m somewhat surprised it came so soon. So I am happy for everyone that will have a lot of fun there.

No, the disappointment stems from something else, which seems to be the current direction. I’m not a big fan of the “open-raid” encounters for different reasons. I am not complaining about them in general, sure they can still be improved but it’s awesome this kind of content exists.

My disappointment stems from the conjunction between these types of content and the living story aspect, combined with the meta achievement.

In order to complete the meta you have to do one game mode (the open raid) more then once, I guess you could say at least 5 times the marionette and 3 times the wurm (or the different escorts towards it).

There is not even a different daily achievement, it’s always “participate” in one of them.
No dismantle energy probes, no defeat energy probe defenders (I guess that would be everything else possible in this case).

Now I’m afraid the same will happen with the next “living story” chapter.

All in the name of “educating” the players.

It’s a great idea to try and expose players to different content and it has been done all along. But for example with the first M&F dungeon – how often did you have to run it? Well once.

“Expose” me to different types of content, try to get me to play around with traits, different weapon sets and armour stats, no problem. But also give me an option to say no thanks, I’d rather do this instead (and still achieve the meta) and not having to look at the clock and be there at the hour for 20-30 minutes.

Flytrap.8075:

kokiman.2364:

Exactly like I thought. Patch 1 2 and 3 will, despite being called “big patches”, still be regular LS patches maybe even smaller considering that they don’t add any features.

What a shame :/

They’re adding in a new WvW map; some would consider that to be a pretty nice feature.

my guild participated in the beta of this map. it is a stunning map and for once i feel compelled to keep maryscarlet out of it.

goldenwing.8473:

This will not be tied to specific servers.

Players will be grouped with players from different servers based on their color for the week….e.g….. all “red” players will be grouped together.

To pure PvE players: so sorry that you have to deal with the “inconvenience” of dealing with PvP in a map that was SUPPOSED to be a long-awaited WvW update.

To WvW/PvX players: so sorry that ANet decided to cram more LS into WvW after very clear feedback that it wasn’t welcomed. At best, we might find some PvE players end up liking WvW. At worst, enjoy the extra loot bags.

To ANet: one of the abiding laws of any creative endeavor from art to cooking to development: “KNOW WHEN TO STOP.” Too much spice ruins what could have been a good meal. That last dab of paint in the lower right corner just changed the entire feel of the artwork. Too much Scarlet shoved down players throats may cause massive aversion to LS and the game.

To those who can extract fun from this new content despite the unwelcome fusion of PvE/ LS and WvW: enjoy!

-Still waiting for the “real” WvW update of account-bound wxp.

Well stated.

Some how Anet thinks players want more Scarlet.

I’m looking for confirmation on whether this will be a seperate PvE map in addition to the WvW map, or a combination of both.

Arleii.5304:

I just want some story instances…Hope it will be more than just new WvW map.

From the Massively article it sounds like there will be a couple of story instances that reveal more about scarlet’s plan.

lordkrall.7241:

kokiman.2364:

Exactly like I thought. Patch 1 2 and 3 will, despite being called “big patches”, still be regular LS patches maybe even smaller considering that they don’t add any features.

What a shame :/

How is adding a whole new map small?
A whole new map full with new features no less.

And what about the first patch that added two world bosses, both with completely new mechanics?

Scarlet, and a WvW map? That seems small (and uninteresting) to me.
BTW, it was a world boss and a “temporary” world boss, so not so good.

I for one welcome our new PvEer-bags.

Sooner than expected, happy to have it.

Anyone got some glimpse of the patchnotes?

Beorn Raukar.4328:

Arleii.5304:

I just want some story instances…Hope it will be more than just new WvW map.

From the Massively article it sounds like there will be a couple of story instances that reveal more about scarlet’s plan.

Yeah, it sounded like there will be some side stuff to do with Jory and Kasmeer at the Dead End.

Guys you should calm down. They added Scarlet to this map only temporarily. After the LS, there will be just the map. And be sure that you will get another piece of the story in this patch…

It looks nice, we’ll see how it plays though. Things I am looking forward to are as follows:

1. PVEers on the map when it goes live – mass free lootbags
2. Lots of clueless PVE zerkers and uplevels – more free lootbags !!!!
3. The ability to perhaps do some open field combat vs my old guild from my old server, this will be very interesting and lotta fun

EOTM will somewhat address the que problem for Tier 1 and rarely for T2-T3 servers. However, EOTM is pointless for any server T4 and under as once the temporary PVE wave rolls through it and they return to their regular problem of not having enough people in primary game mode, EOTM will be pointless for them.

Nothing is being done for the biggest problem in WvW “The Coverage Gap” indeed this map will make things even worse as it will further divide the population on the server where it is already too scarce.

So it will have a rather very negative impact on most servers for the longterm gameplay.

Yet on the flipside of that, perhaps a-net can get away from the PPT model gameplay entirely and this is just the 1st step for it, that remains to be seen. That would be good for the entire game.

From what I last heard this technically is and isnt a WvW update, it’s an overflow map which will contribute absolutely Zero to WvW points or matchups. It’s just somewhere to hang out whilst you wait for your WvW queue to pop.

All I can say is overflows for the overflow
And yay, a “big” WvW update that basically, when you come down to it, does nothing!

I enjoy both PvE and WvW and I’m looking forward to this update. For those who aren’t, at least try to wait for its release before judging the content.

A lot of people are focusing on the NA Tiers as usual.. The queue problem has never been as bad in NA as it is in EU. While this won’t affect NA servers a ton, NA once again should remember they aren’t the only WvW servers. This will likely give a boost to EU servers IMO as many servers are a large mix of people and in a shorter timezone prime (NA Is about 8 hours of prime time, Compared to 3-5 for EU) so while you may have the same amount of people in both time frames Eu will be more jammed.

Flytrap.8075:

What this game really needs is more temporary world bosses that I can mindlessly zerg down for a few green items.

Fair warning: I am dangerously close to making that my new sig.

Delvoire.8930:

Maybe the real problem is in the players themselves. Perhaps they shouldn’t pigeon hole themselves into one play style and just enjoy the game from every aspect.

Or they tried the other aspects, like the one they are sticking to, and wonder why ANet is cramming stuff from one game mode into another that doesn’t really match up.

Kudos to those who like it all though, but some don’t.

Delvoire.8930:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Wv3 players want Wv3 on their maps. I think that concept is easy enough to be understood.
Scarlet and LS sound horribly PvE to me, and PvE crowd does not necessarily mix well with Wv3 PvPers.

PvEers will feel ganked and PvPers will feel like the update is not focused on them, even though they waited forever for it to happen. Sounds about right to make everyone unhappy. Good…

Maybe the real problem is in the players themselves. Perhaps they shouldn’t pigeon hole themselves into one play style and just enjoy the game from every aspect. It’s a crazy thought… but it’s one I personally explore myself. It’s lead to thousands of hours of game play fun.

People can not like things for various reasons. Folks play how they want.

That´s a LS part i won´t take part in then. Unless they´ll add some REALLY big rewards for the meta achievement.

Name.9625:

That´s a LS part i won´t take part in then. Unless they´ll add some REALLY big rewards for the meta achievement.

Well, it’s related to WvW, so I wouldn’t expect anything good in terms of rewards…

Kaos.9162:

Name.9625:

That´s a LS part i won´t take part in then. Unless they´ll add some REALLY big rewards for the meta achievement.

Well, it’s related to WvW, so I wouldn’t expect anything good in terms of rewards…

Ever since I stopped caring about rewards, WvW is a lot more fun. The entire game for that matter.

Actually.. I think EotM is more of a WvW-PvE hybrid than either of them

Name.9625:

That´s a LS part i won´t take part in then. Unless they´ll add some REALLY big rewards for the meta achievement.

Hmm do you mean that literally? Maybe some gigantic hat(but you can only have it on one character of course).

timidobserver.7925:

Some how Anet thinks players want more Scarlet.

The mind really boggles at the inclusion of her in this.

So…is this tied to server vs server? Or do we que go in and it’s just split up randomly. As it stands right now Kaineng can barely field enough players to defend our own Borderland, let alone go in the EOTM, does anyone have any info on that?

Week.5680:

So…is this tied to server vs server? Or do we que go in and it’s just split up randomly. As it stands right now Kaineng can barely field enough players to defend our own Borderland, let alone go in the EOTM, does anyone have any info on that?

Its all servers in the 1 map and overflows of that map I presume. All serves of the same colour for the week will be on the same team in EOTM.

I’m not really that excited. I mean yeah we get e new fun and big map. But I was expecting more story focused content for these releases

ANet has said in relation to PvEers not wanting map completion tied to PvP that they want everyone to explore all aspects of the game.

So I get the feeling that PvEers are going to be forced to PvP, and PvPers are going to be forced to have to deal with them. Neither side really wins. Well. The exception being that PvPers get a ton of easy kills. So I guess there’s THAT.

I’m being cautious, but my overall feeling is negative. I hope it’s not just a straight WvW map, or that PvEers can elect not to put themselves into PvP mode, at least for the duration of the LS update. I don’t PvP. I respect people who do… But it’s not for me.

However, if this is a strictly PvP update, I’m definitely happy for those who have been waiting for this for a long time!

I think it sounds intriguing, even though I’m not big on WvW. I’ll at least take a look around.

As for the irrational Scarlet hatred… well, I don’t share it, and I’m interested to see what her pirates are up to.

Cool! Now is my time to get karma and the 500 badges I need

Disappointed that they pushed the PvE crap into our new WvW map, but hey, an unending stream of PvE loot bags for us to kill over and over, sounds like a lot of fun.

Just a side note, you know there’s going to be guilds popping up like “Killing Pve Players For [Fun]” and that they will hang around the PvE events.

and…. hopefully… with it come the 50% reduced map cap for main WvW instances…

hey, no more queue you know…… !