Guild Wars 2

Well, there were alot of complains about players not knowing about stuff, like dodging with some cases (Then these players tend to think that others are trying to make a laugh out of them with “non-existant” mechanics).

But yeah, ANet should have focus the tutorial into very first lvls and then allow players to play how they like.

But then again, this is about the “standard”, which the old content defined for players.

What is wrong here is that its the tutorial page or hint system that is unlocking (so you can learn more about how they work) at that level not the actual jump puzzle. Its not like there is a huge invisible barrier or wall in sharkmaw caverns telling you to go back…

I really need to make a new character or use one of my few lv 20s and see how this all works.

Kinda silly how they removed harvesting nodes for low level players. “Hey you like xp for doing almost anything? Lets take away one source for you.”

I’m mentally 10 years old and don’t play pve, even i think this is dumb and don’t want to play anymore.

Vayne will find an excuse for everything…

As your son has already played the game, the NEW player experience was not designed with him in mind.

Should older players be exempted from the NPE? Yes. Is the NPE so bad as to warrant quitting/raging? Lol No.

NNYinsanenature.5684:

Kinda silly how they removed harvesting nodes for low level players. “Hey you like xp for doing almost anything? Lets take away one source for you.”

They didn’t remove nodes, they took nodes off the map. Essentially low level players can start harvesting them immediately if they know how. If not, probably an hour after they start playing.

Maybe it’s me but I’m not seeing a big deal here. Are you saying not harvesting copper and softwood for the first hour is going to prevent them from getting a legendary?

papryk.6273:

Vayne will find an excuse for everything…

Yup, looks like.

Should older players be exempted from the NPE? Yes. Is the NPE so bad as to warrant quitting/raging? Lol No.

Quitting, probably not. Losing all want to create a new character now, yeah I think thats warranted.

skullmount.1758:

papryk.6273:

Vayne will find an excuse for everything…

Yup, looks like.

How, exactly, is what I said incorrect.

People love using words like excuse, because it makes someone who’s correct look wrong. What I said is accurate. Not being able to gather for your first hour isn’t likely to much affect your game…and you can gather if you know how.

Not sure how anyone can misconstrue that as an excuse.

raises hand

Where does the America part fit in? :|

mtpelion.4562:

Is the NPE so bad as to warrant quitting/raging? Lol No.

No? Really? How else do you propose the players send ANet a message aside from just not ever giving them a cent again? Just sitting on your hands does nothing. People are reacting the only way they can.

Kamui.4038:

mtpelion.4562:

Is the NPE so bad as to warrant quitting/raging? Lol No.

No? Really? How else do you propose the players send ANet a message aside from just not ever giving them a cent again? Just sitting on your hands does nothing. People are reacting the only way they can.

They’ve got your money already and they are setting the stage to get more money from a lot more players. Your decision to quit does nothing other than deprive yourself of the content you have already paid for.

You’ve let them know that you don’t like it. Continuing to post that you don’t like it does not improve your chances of being heard because that’s just you saying the same thing over an over. If enough DIFFERENT people complain, they may address the complaints.

Right now you are just crying over spilt milk which doesn’t put the milk back in the jug.

Vayne.8563:

skullmount.1758:

papryk.6273:

Vayne will find an excuse for everything…

Yup, looks like.

How, exactly, is what I said incorrect.

People love using words like excuse, because it makes someone who’s correct look wrong. What I said is accurate. Not being able to gather for your first hour isn’t likely to much affect your game…and you can gather if you know how.

Not sure how anyone can misconstrue that as an excuse.

People always love to use excuses, like example “I can’t play this game anymore, since you nerfed my build” with skill nerfs and “You removed the mobs I was farming, now I can’t get any gold, I have to stop playing this game” with fixing exploit used for gold farming…

In the end players usually adapt to this tho.

I had no problems with resource nodes, atleast when I rolled norn yesterday, the nodes were outside the valley, I didn’t even notice them until I got outside of the valley…

SephiSlash.6780:

papryk.6273:

Vayne will find an excuse for everything…

You have to remember “Vayne” is just a name on the account, the underpaid interns that run the astroturfing from there probably shuffle every few hours.

I hope you all get breaks and are paid a decent wage.

LMAO! Because my writing style is so vague.

I don’t need a decent wage, thanks. Cause I’m retired. But it’s nice that you have so much free time you think about me. I think that’s sweet.

And it STILL doesn’t change the fact that was I said was correct.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

When I was a teenager I played lots of challenging and frustrating games, I had no problem with that. So what’s your point?

Vayne, you’re talking about nodes, and I didn’t mention that at all, nor did my son. My son wants his Elite skill at level 30, because his previous character got it at 30. He also wants to play his story quest right now, or every couple levels, and not have to wait till 30.

I see your point that nodes are still there. But the Elite skill and Story quests CAN’T be used as they did before. Aren’t you comparing Apples to Oranges here?

Well the games rated T so your son shouldn’t be playing anyway.

Seriously though. You’re actually using your 12 year old son to gain attention on Anet’s mistakes this patch? Pathetic.

Your son can’t type?

For what it’s worth, my son feels the same way.

ArenaNet thought that it could keep people playing their characters longer, for the same rewards, if they could extend the carrot rod further between levels. Unfortunately, that resulted in negative vibes from the community when they have over-extended that carrot rod.

To give someone something then take it away is a big no no in games. To remove a player’s freedom to explore (one of GW2’s main selling points mind you) and then forced them to sit on rails is also a big no no especially for RPGs of any kind.

A 12 year old can even figure this out just typically not in so many words. He definitely feels it though.

I just bought gems to support Anet, and used them to get a new character slot (among other things) during the second anniversary sale. I don’t want to create a new character anymore, because of the new system. I also should have bought less gems, other changes deserve my support, but not this one.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

It’s easy to cast away a kid’s opinion as “just a kid,” but it’s beyond that.
It’s about the gaming experience. Fun. How a player feels as they play. If the player isn’t engaged as they play, that is the result of bad design.

And that’s a shame. I was totally pumped when GW2 came out. I still play every day. But the repeated retrograding of the experience is wearing on me.

And I’m not one of those people who look at WoW’s simplifications over the years and says “wah, they’re dumbing down the game!” Because they didn’t. They replaced outdated progression systems with better balanced, easier to manage (for devs AND players) character options. They made choices potent.

I started a new character yesterday, and got her to 20. Pointedly, I made an elementalist. The restrictions were baffling. While getting a level came with a little chime and dancing announcement panel, the items presented were lackluster. Occasionally useful rings and gear, but nothing I couldn’t already have gotten on my own.

Still, for a new player, it’s actually a steady experience of reminders, so I will applaud that. But this hurts the current, experienced players. For a true altoholic, I think we’ll be able to push through this meh section and get to 40, then everything will feel okay again. …once they re-fix some of the trait requirements again. 100% map is never okay.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

Hey Vayne, i am 32 yo and i totally agree with the 12yo. This new system is for mental disabled people. Are you Lordkral on another account? start to think that now tbh.

As I stated in another post my 8 year old daughter gave up at level 5 and I know she doesn’t give up easily.

Yesterday I thought I’d never start another alt because of the changes, but you know with all the posts about how bad it is I’m starting to think I should start another character just to see how bad it is for myself and see just how long it does take to level up……

After uninstalling I reinstalled so I could actually play through the new player experience, just so I can comment from experience – even though it’s obvious without playing what a terrible, terrible mistake it was.

So far, my new Sylvari Necro is up to Lvl 10.

I don’t think the 1-15 experience is going to be too bad, and so far it really wasn’t. There are a few things that are kind of weird, like not being able to dodge right away, but since leveling is so fast at that stage, it doesn’t make enough difference to be an issue.

My feeling on the 1-15 changes are that they aren’t that bad, but they also aren’t necessary, either. They don’t really help new players, but they’re not much of an inconvenience either.

It’s 15+ that worries me more. The boring, painfully slow grind from 15-80. Getting stuff so slowly.

The other thing that worries is me is how these changes speak of Anet’s underlying philosophy and strategy towards game design. It does not bode well at all for the future of this game.

The changes themselves are indicative of a flawed and toxic design strategy aimed at milking everything they can get out of the cash shop, which will in turn lead to people abandoning the game in droves.

GW2 is now part of the MMO death spiral.

SkylightMoon.2098:

Well the games rated T so your son shouldn’t be playing anyway.

Seriously though. You’re actually using your 12 year old son to gain attention on Anet’s mistakes this patch? Pathetic.

And whats the problem with that? Its the parents discretion on whether or not to allow the kid to play it. And I remember seeing posts/stories/retweets of people letting even younger children play (iirc at least one was someones 4-6 year old daughter taking control while they were on the parents lap. Wish I could remember when/where I saw it.).
And maybe he/she doesn’t want their kid subjected to kitten like what you posted (or the post below it)

Blanger.3162:

Yesterday I thought I’d never start another alt because of the changes, but you know with all the posts about how bad it is I’m starting to think I should start another character just to see how bad it is for myself and see just how long it does take to level up……

What a concept, doing something instead of following the lead whinge. Congrats.

Yargesh.4965:

Blanger.3162:

Yesterday I thought I’d never start another alt because of the changes, but you know with all the posts about how bad it is I’m starting to think I should start another character just to see how bad it is for myself and see just how long it does take to level up……

What a concept, doing something instead of following the lead whinge. Congrats.

Thank you Sir, it will require me to buy a character slot since I have 8 lvl 80’s, but I think it’s the only way to have a informed opinion.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

They were on to something with the insurance and taxes thing, Vayne.

j/k j/k <3

The misaligned trait earning system was bad enough methinks. And before someone comes on here to bash casuals, uhm no casuals didn’t want this at all, please provide the links to the posts where casuals have asked for elites to be withheld until level 40.

mtpelion.4562:

Kamui.4038:

mtpelion.4562:

Is the NPE so bad as to warrant quitting/raging? Lol No.

No? Really? How else do you propose the players send ANet a message aside from just not ever giving them a cent again? Just sitting on your hands does nothing. People are reacting the only way they can.

They’ve got your money already and they are setting the stage to get more money from a lot more players. Your decision to quit does nothing other than deprive yourself of the content you have already paid for.

You’ve let them know that you don’t like it. Continuing to post that you don’t like it does not improve your chances of being heard because that’s just you saying the same thing over an over. If enough DIFFERENT people complain, they may address the complaints.

Right now you are just crying over spilt milk which doesn’t put the milk back in the jug.

Yep, same problem I have. Lots of people don’t take me seriously because I like the game and say so.

Maybe we are all just looking at the wrong age range. They could be trying to break into the highly competitive 4-6 year old mmo demographic. All the changes make perfect sense if you look at it that way.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

That proves that GW2’s target audience and majority player base (10-20ish year olds) find this patch to be dumb and probably will quit and move on to other things.

I almost forgot, but the one big issue I did have from 1-10 is the Skill Pt. lock out – as an exploration based player, I actually level all my characters with PoI’s, Vistas, and Skill Points exclusively – I avoid hearts like the plague, as hearts are Anet’s biggest lie. They said they wanted to make a game without traditional questing, that was more dynamic.

Then they added traditional questing.

So, I avoid those like the plague (until I hit 80 and want map completion).

Skill pts. were a big part of filling up my XP bar, and not being able to get them at all slows me down.

And then there’s little annoyances, like not being able to use my Salvage-O-Matikittenil level 15? What’s that about?

The system wasn’t meant for him. Regardless of age.

/thread

NNYinsanenature.5684:

Kinda silly how they removed harvesting nodes for low level players. “Hey you like xp for doing almost anything? Lets take away one source for you.”

wrong. still there.

Kamui.4038:

The new system is designed to cater to 6 year old children in remedial classes. That’s what it felt like at least.

I couldn’t believe it. I haven’t played in 2 days now thanks to this patch on principle. I could go on my 80s but why bother?

Actually there was a thread yesterday from a father of a six year old, apparently even six year olds think this is ridiculous.

Here’s a fix for the newb’s. Make a newb island. Easy. Done.
Edit
ACTUALLY, there is NO NEED for a newb island. Beginning in Guild Wars 2 felt very beginner friendly and engaging to me but not too easy at the expense of being any less fun!

I freakin’ LOVED having vistas, jumping puzzles (JP’s), the whole nine layed out in front of me. That was the allure of GW to me! One giant world easy for one player to explore to his hearts content with no need for a manual. Now creating a character and not being able to do jumping puzzles? A) What’s the point of locking it in the first place? and B.) It’s just tedious and unecessary.

Vayne.8563:

Yep, same problem I have. Lots of people don’t take me seriously because I like the game and say so.

D’aww. I still take you seriously.
Mostly because you’re not a plastic bag full of water intended to irrigate certain biological parts.

We may disagree on the ‘goodness’ of the change, but I rarely see you fly off the handle. Stay productive, V.

I hope we can hear from new-new players soon, and see if this onboarding process works out for them. That, and hopefully we can distinguish between “unlocks” and “notifications” for more experienced players. The notifications were fine and all, but it felt like the game was hiding stuff that shouldn’t need to be hidden.

The next thing that really bugs me is weapon swapping being locked out until 15.

Again, it’s one of those things that isn’t “that bad” because 15 isn’t hard to get, but is still annoying.

Alright, just hit 15 by doing all PoI’s, Vistas, and Waypoints in Metrica/Caledon/Wayfarer.

Once I hit 13, I backtracked to get all the Skill Points – that brought me up to 15 (along with finishing my monthly).

So, for the 1-15 experience, what I said earlier is still true – the early level gating is not necessary, but it’s also not that bad, simply because you level so fast.

I’d rather see a change that actually makes the experience better though, instead of “oh, at least I won’t be here that long”.

It was ultimately a pointless change.

Not looking forward to the 15-40 climb.

Your son should have learned a valuable lesson: kitten ain’t easy. Deal with it.

Next time tell him to roll a Engineer first. Warriors first generally go one direction: 1 1 2 11.

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

First time I see that Vayne nailed it.-

GW2 is now as fun as insurance, taxes, eating vegetables, etc…

Mesket.5728:

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

First time I see that Vayne nailed it.-

GW2 is now as fun as insurance, taxes, eating vegetables, etc…

Ahh that great feeling of waking up and doing my taxes while eating steamed Brussels sprouts…

Muramasa.6487:

Here’s a fix for the newb’s. Make a newb island. Easy. Done.

I recommend the Fire Island chain. Or, perhaps the Isles of Janthir so that we could have a superficial excuse for MURSAAT PLAYABLE RACE

OK, my daydreaming is over now.

I’m now PVPing and farming tomes of knowledge to get rid of the hassle and suffering without skills

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

Insurance, taxes, and chic flicks are dumb. If you think that thinking those things are awesome is a sign of maturity…lol.

Mesket.5728:

Vayne.8563:

So 12 year olds are impatient and think things are dumb.

My teenagers thought everything was dumb. Insurance was dumb. Taxes were dumb. Eating vegetables was dumb. Chic flicks were dumb. Reading was dumb.

I’m not sure what that proves except that you’ve got plenty more years of that to go.

First time I see that Vayne nailed it.-

GW2 is now as fun as insurance, taxes, eating vegetables, etc…

Actually, I think you missed his point entirely. He was saying that Guild Wars should be as boring as doing taxes, and that we should all be perfectly fine with it and not complain about it. I mean, because we all know that we pay taxes for the exact same reasons that we play Guild Wars. It’s not like we play MMO’s to have fun, and that we should actually want to have fun rather than being bored. I mean, don’t you pay taxes because it is fun? I mean, there are just so many similarities between Guild Wars and taxes and the reasons that people engage in these activities. It’s totally not like comparing apples to oranges, or apples to grizzly bears. Nope. Not at all. Vayne is not being even a little bit dishonest or misleading. Nope. Not a bit.

I, for one, play computer games for the exact same reasons that I pay my bills, and I actually expect to get the exact same rewards, experiences, and feelings that I get paying bills that I do when engaging in my personal hobbies and optional entertainment choices like Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2.

I’m in the middle on the changes, and I find some of the responses from people acting like the earth is about to explode to be moronic, I also find the responses that seem to blindly support every part of the change to be equally so.

This thread, in my view, the point is, that even a child found the changes ruined enjoyment of the game compared to how it was. New players, will be children as well as adults, so saying “well 12 year olds think everything is lame” isn’t a great line of reasoning. With that logic, 12 year olds wouldn’t find any game enjoyable, yet strangely most have to be pried away from their games with a crowbar, so clearly it’s possible to make games enjoyable, even to a 12 year old.

My wife and I both have played, since launch of GW1 and onto GW2 in beta… she’s not a hardcore gamer by any means, she’s a very casual player and she had the same sorts of feeling as the OP described, that quite a number of these changes were stupid and reduced enjoyment in the game.

I do hope that the response isn’t “the game is great, wives find all games stupid, what do you expect”…