Guild Wars 2

I’m a returning player after taking a break for about a year, and I just started collecting the carapace/lumi armor pieces, much to my disappointment.

I play Asura exclusively. I know this was my choice – but I feel like I’m being punished for it. Of course there have been complaints in the past over the scaling of things, because they’re so tiny it’s hard to see details of weapons we work so hard to make (I’m looking at you, immobulus) but that’s another thing entirely – my complaint today is, “why do female asura get the male version of most armors”?

The female humanoid version of the carapace/luminescent armor is amazing – the butterfly design is appealing, and it looks quite impressive. Now put it on a female asura, and you lose everything special about it. Even from a design perspective, I don’t see why female asura are always given the male armor skins. In some ways, making an asura wear skimpy armor would look weird, yes. But in this case specifically, I don’t understand why.

Probably nothing can be done about it this late, but in the future, I’d really love to see if Asura would get a better treatment in the armor (and weapon) skins department.

I suppose the same could be said for female Charr.

I can’t tell a male from a female with asura or charr unless I hear them talk.

Also would help if they gave chart and asura the female body part….thete even was a fan art about this…asura made a boob translocator so norn sylvria a human where boobless and charr and Asura had boobs lol

It also makes it so they can’t copy and paste the male version

tenklo.6104:

Also would help if they gave chart and asura the female body part….thete even was a fan art about this…asura made a boob translocator so norn sylvria a human where boobless and charr and Asura had boobs lol

It also makes it so they can’t copy and paste the male version

No. No no no. No. I trust I don’t have to say more.

tenklo.6104:

Also would help if they gave chart and asura the female body part….thete even was a fan art about this…asura made a boob translocator so norn sylvria a human where boobless and charr and Asura had boobs lol

It also makes it so they can’t copy and paste the male version

Why do we have to make them similar to “sexy female human-like cat-people and burly hairy big male cat-people”?

Charr and Asura are great as they are. In my opinion. Their armor is also great, can mix the parts I want, regardless of gender, without having issues with female characters having armored bikinis, while males have heavy plate armor.

tenklo.6104:

Also would help if they gave chart and asura the female body part….thete even was a fan art about this…asura made a boob translocator so norn sylvria a human where boobless and charr and Asura had boobs lol

It also makes it so they can’t copy and paste the male version

Charr are feline, and asura are less humanoid than norn and sylvia
they dont have to follow humanoid gender difference
and i m happy with my asura body
i do hope we get different armor than male asura
but your idea….just no please

Asura and charr definitely don’t need boobs, but I’d like it if we had like a toggle button to switch between male version/female version of armor when playing as a female asura or charr. There’s a lot of armor sets that look really nice on female and “meh” on males, but when playing female asura or charr you’re forced to go with the “meh” version (unless it’s an outfit that Anet decided to let us have the female version of).

Lunaki.6935:

I’m a returning player after taking a break for about a year, and I just started collecting the carapace/lumi armor pieces, much to my disappointment.

I play Asura exclusively. I know this was my choice – but I feel like I’m being punished for it. Of course there have been complaints in the past over the scaling of things, because they’re so tiny it’s hard to see details of weapons we work so hard to make (I’m looking at you, immobulus) but that’s another thing entirely – my complaint today is, “why do female asura get the male version of most armors”?

The female humanoid version of the carapace/luminescent armor is amazing – the butterfly design is appealing, and it looks quite impressive. Now put it on a female asura, and you lose everything special about it. Even from a design perspective, I don’t see why female asura are always given the male armor skins. In some ways, making an asura wear skimpy armor would look weird, yes. But in this case specifically, I don’t understand why.

Probably nothing can be done about it this late, but in the future, I’d really love to see if Asura would get a better treatment in the armor (and weapon) skins department.

I suppose the same could be said for female Charr.

agreed

i mean come on….this is a female asura
how do you know?
idk….looks like a male

can we say Anet is showing us 18+ material by claiming a shirtless asura is female o.0

either that…..or that is the skimpiest armor ever. and GW2 needs a rating change. (and Asian needs to be alerted that theres a new standard to how little armor a character can be shown wearing in a non porn game)

heck, if we consider asura “childs” well….i’ll stop right there before Anet finds the government chasing them…….(gotta be careful with being lazy in game for what it can end up representing)

-i’m not saying i want asura with boobs. i like them AS IS. but i DO want them to actually have good outfits and not copy paste crap.

or stuff where no one at Anet thought “should a female not be wearing anything above her waist”
cultural/bilogical difference or not. society has norms….

Charr fem is not suppose to be feminine its not like firran in archeage.
Asura is just lazy on their part but i dont think its going to change.
Twilight Arbor armor is not too bad on girl asura.

Well, if I’m going to play a female character, I don’t exactly want her wearing male clothes. This issue is exactly why I haven’t made an asura . Not asking for skimpy stuff for asura (and charr) , though, just some diversity between outfits on different genders for the race.

DesertSong.5603:

Well, if I’m going to play a female character, I don’t exactly want her wearing male clothes. This issue is exactly why I haven’t made an asura . Not asking for skimpy stuff for asura (and charr) , though, just some diversity between outfits on different genders for the race.

Then you would not be an asura or a charr if you wanted gender diversity since there race does not follow our idea of gender separation at least for clothing

Seabreeze.8437:

Asura and charr definitely don’t need boobs, but I’d like it if we had like a toggle button to switch between male version/female version of armor when playing as a female asura or charr. There’s a lot of armor sets that look really nice on female and “meh” on males, but when playing female asura or charr you’re forced to go with the “meh” version (unless it’s an outfit that Anet decided to let us have the female version of).

Much better idea than forcing gendered armor art, which has been suggested by many players some time ago.

Demanding female art on Asura and Charr or demanding Asura and Charr to have boobs just sound wrong.

On regard of Charr, they have 6 nipples like cats, so them having boobs would be even more outrageous…

or anet let us use mods to alter the armor and body type so we can see what we want but not everybody else lol……. i know this will never happen lol….. but on a diffrent not stop account bounding mini……..there a form of collectable let us trade

I kinda like them looking alike…even more, i wish some of the outfits that do look differently (Witch Outfit, i’m looking at you! Why must you look so awful on females and so amazing on males) would look the same.

Sorry to burst any bubbles about awesomely put together asura armor combos but i never notice what they are wearing, which weapons they have equipped or which gender they are. They are just too small, not noticeable at all unless you are looking specifically.

tenklo.6104:

or anet let us use mods to alter the armor and body type so we can see what we want but not everybody else lol……. i know this will never happen lol….. but on a diffrent not stop account bounding mini……..there a form of collectable let us trade

Naah, not gonna happen, since it could impact gem store purchases, especially gem store armor art and transmutation charges, on some degree.

My main is a very cute female Asuran Necro. I think she looks cool enough just as she is.

Electra.7530:

I can’t tell a male from a female with asura or charr unless I hear them talk.

It’s rather easy to tell a male from a female charr unless they wear a bucket on their head which some charr armors look like.

Shinji.2063:

DesertSong.5603:

Well, if I’m going to play a female character, I don’t exactly want her wearing male clothes. This issue is exactly why I haven’t made an asura . Not asking for skimpy stuff for asura (and charr) , though, just some diversity between outfits on different genders for the race.

Then you would not be an asura or a charr if you wanted gender diversity since there race does not follow our idea of gender separation at least for clothing

While not identical, there are notable parallels. Charr are the only ones that actively dropped gender distinction; And thats perfectly fine because their race has minimal differences in physical proportion and shape. But their race is also militant, which heavily favors discipline and order. In this situation its considered a benefit to suppress gender inequality and instinct that would otherwise distract from the military hierarchy that they operate under. This couldn’t be any clearer then with the Fahrer, who raise cubs beyond their infancy, and grooming them physically and socially to form and operate as warbands.

Asura haven’t discarded gender identity. Its simply overshadowed by their social independence, intellectually competitive, and often egocentric behavior. One excellent example of this is Pamfa and Togg in the lower level area of Brisbane Wildlands. Togg is under constant effort trying to impress Pamfa and gain her favor…. to which she tends to summarily dismiss as an annoyance.

And then theres the Norn. By your reckoning, Norn shouldn’t be subject to this rule either, as their culture emphasizes personal strength. In fact, Norn courtship tends to revolve heavily around deeds of strength, courage, cunning, or even direct fighting in order to prove they are worthy of being equals. The key difference is that Norn culture doesn’t dismiss femininity as a weakness (sans the Sons of Svanir for obvious reasons). If anything, there is more friction concerning the bias’d definition of “strength” each Norn has based on their Totem spirit. Younger, reckless Norn tend to look upon other aspects (bear in particular); but more mature (as in level headed) Norn readily recognize and respect the strengths that each spirit represents.

Sylvari is also the oddest case. They have physical gender identities, but not behavioral ones. The main reason they have them is merely an echo of whats seen in the other races’ physical structures. But amongst each other, they almost purely base attraction on personality. As a result, they have the highest instance of “same sex” (using the definition loosely) couples, as male and females may have some personality biases.

But by far the most confusing is humans. They have the most volatile gender identity out of all the races. Perhaps more accurately, gender identity as a concept is fluid from actual sexual characteristics. The majority of human couples I’ve seen in the game so far are comprised of one masculine individual and one feminine individual, but the actual sex of the individuals vary. The definition of masculine and feminine is also water downed slightly because of their social hierarchy. Nobles are not physically aggressive, but socially aggressive; Commoners are about even; and rouges and bandits are hyper aggressive. Within these groups the definition of masculine and feminine are muddied compared to even modern interpretations of the terms.

So within the context of everything else, the Asura not having at least some clothing differences is a tad confusing. If anything, there should be “more” diversity in the more subtle aspects of their outfits which reflect their personal preferences, and “draw attention to their greatness”.

But above all……. an “adorable bundle of kittenery”!

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and….

The day they start making female asura armors more feminine is the day I delete my ele of over 1k hours played. The reason I play asura and charr is because they handle gender differently. Through these races (and sometimes even sylvari) Anet gives people who want a more gender neutral look the option to have that, which is really rare in MMOs and really cool that we have that freedom here.

So far some feminine outfits have been added and it should stay within outfits only (and pls be reasonable about it I can’t wear Daydreamer’s Finery without feeling like a creep). The fact is if this were the real world ARMOR of all things would not be gendered, except for those with chests that may require it but asura and charr do not have such chests and their armor would look exactly like the male counterpart.

Aguri.2896:

The day they start making female asura armors more feminine is the day I delete my ele of over 1k hours played. The reason I play asura and charr is because they handle gender differently. Through these races (and sometimes even sylvari) Anet gives people who want a more gender neutral look the option to have that, which is really rare in MMOs and really cool that we have that freedom here.

So far some feminine outfits have been added and it should stay within outfits only (and pls be reasonable about it I can’t wear Daydreamer’s Finery without feeling like a creep). The fact is if this were the real world ARMOR of all things would not be gendered, except for those with chests that may require it but asura and charr do not have such chests and their armor would look exactly like the male counterpart.

Thats kind of ironic since Caster classes generally don’t front line, and tend to wear lighter clothing for ease of movement. This concept downplays the importance of ‘’everyone needs armor", as back liners only really need “practical protection” against light projectiles. This leaves a lot more room for stylistic decisions then other roles, as you’re the last person expected to take damage in a fight. This concept doesn’t flip until you get into range heavy fights, and everyone is vulnerable by default.

While have nothing against gender subdued designs in general, limiting to only that in a game which relies heavily on cosmetics is counter intuitive in every way possible.

starlinvf.1358:

Aguri.2896:

The day they start making female asura armors more feminine is the day I delete my ele of over 1k hours played. The reason I play asura and charr is because they handle gender differently. Through these races (and sometimes even sylvari) Anet gives people who want a more gender neutral look the option to have that, which is really rare in MMOs and really cool that we have that freedom here.

So far some feminine outfits have been added and it should stay within outfits only (and pls be reasonable about it I can’t wear Daydreamer’s Finery without feeling like a creep). The fact is if this were the real world ARMOR of all things would not be gendered, except for those with chests that may require it but asura and charr do not have such chests and their armor would look exactly like the male counterpart.

Thats kind of ironic since Caster classes generally don’t front line, and tend to wear lighter clothing for ease of movement. This concept downplays the importance of ‘’everyone needs armor", as back liners only really need “practical protection” against light projectiles. This leaves a lot more room for stylistic decisions then other roles, as you’re the last person expected to take damage in a fight. This concept doesn’t flip until you get into range heavy fights, and everyone is vulnerable by default.

While have nothing against gender subdued designs in general, limiting to only that in a game which relies heavily on cosmetics is counter intuitive in every way possible.

Armor is armor. It’s not meant to fit someone’s stylistic choices, it’s meant to be used for combat. Not to mention how unfair that would be if light armor was the only one with this feature. Personally, I don’t think ANet should waste their development resources changing an already pretty good armor system they just need to make new armor and I mean armor not dresses.

Aguri.2896:

Armor is armor. It’s not meant to fit someone’s stylistic choices, it’s meant to be used for combat. Not to mention how unfair that would be if light armor was the only one with this feature. Personally, I don’t think ANet should waste their development resources changing an already pretty good armor system they just need to make new armor and I mean armor not dresses.

Except that this is a game and that the visual representation of the armor has no relation to it’s protection.

In fact, heavy armor barely protects more than cloth armor in GW2. Most of the tankiness comes from the armor enchants part in the form of “toughness”. So you just have to admit that in GW2, armor protection mostly comes from the magic enchants and not from the base physical materials.

stof.9341:

Aguri.2896:

Armor is armor. It’s not meant to fit someone’s stylistic choices, it’s meant to be used for combat. Not to mention how unfair that would be if light armor was the only one with this feature. Personally, I don’t think ANet should waste their development resources changing an already pretty good armor system they just need to make new armor and I mean armor not dresses.

Except that this is a game and that the visual representation of the armor has no relation to it’s protection.

In fact, heavy armor barely protects more than cloth armor in GW2. Most of the tankiness comes from the armor enchants part in the form of “toughness”. So you just have to admit that in GW2, armor protection mostly comes from the magic enchants and not from the base physical materials.

One could argue that armor that doesn’t really protect also serves functionality still. For example, my charr warrior has nothing but a strap for a chest piece but I could make the argument he does that for mobility over protection. Anyways, this is a bit off topic of what I was trying to say.

Female asura and charr have the exact same anatomy as the males (they both do have mammaries but they are so tiny it doesn’t matter), there is no reason for there to be a difference in their armor and they have no cultural reasons for distinguishing the females from the males either. Even if they did, it would be absurd for the place for this cultural gender different to show to be armor – something meant to serve a practical purpose. We humans don’t even show our gender differences in what our soldiers (using this an an example since the armor wearing days are sort of in the past) wear either, imagine how female soldiers would feel if they had to wear a skirt to war? I feel like I am repeating myself here, but the point doesn’t seem to be getting across.

I understand this is a game and the end game is almost entirely aesthetics, and that we should be able to make our characters look ridiculous if we want but at the same time I don’t think it makes any sense for races to wear armor made for someone with melons when they have none. I can’t even wear the feminine outfits on my female asura because they have things like boob windows and are trying to show off a childlike body in a sexual way… it’s extremely awkward.

To me, this argument is absurd. If we are going to ask for our female asura to be able to wear more feminine armor how about the males too because it would look just as good on them.

Aguri.2896:

To me, this argument is absurd. If we are going to ask for our female asura to be able to wear more feminine armor how about the males too because it would look just as good on them.

Exactly!!! We need more sexy male armor!!!!

Aguri.2896:

stof.9341:

Aguri.2896:

Armor is armor. It’s not meant to fit someone’s stylistic choices, it’s meant to be used for combat. Not to mention how unfair that would be if light armor was the only one with this feature. Personally, I don’t think ANet should waste their development resources changing an already pretty good armor system they just need to make new armor and I mean armor not dresses.

Except that this is a game and that the visual representation of the armor has no relation to it’s protection.

In fact, heavy armor barely protects more than cloth armor in GW2. Most of the tankiness comes from the armor enchants part in the form of “toughness”. So you just have to admit that in GW2, armor protection mostly comes from the magic enchants and not from the base physical materials.

One could argue that armor that doesn’t really protect also serves functionality still. For example, my charr warrior has nothing but a strap for a chest piece but I could make the argument he does that for mobility over protection. Anyways, this is a bit off topic of what I was trying to say.

Female asura and charr have the exact same anatomy as the males (they both do have mammaries but they are so tiny it doesn’t matter), there is no reason for there to be a difference in their armor and they have no cultural reasons for distinguishing the females from the males either.To me, this argument is absurd. If we are going to ask for our female asura to be able to wear more feminine armor how about the males too because it would look just as good on them.

Strap for armor? That… can work. (that hair, though…) ;D

Anyway, I play female characters exclusivly, and my main is a lvl 80 Asura mesmer. It hasn’t bothered me at all that all her armor is “unsexy”. Quite the contrary, the only thing that does bother me is that she has room for boobs in one of her outfits. Why on earth would an asura have room for boobs? I mean, I know from a technical perspective, it’s much easier to scale the outfit to a smaller race, than to create an entirely new one just for that race. Still, it does look a bit strange. Not so much that I care, but still.

But if we are to speak “realistically”, Charr are cats, right? And while cats don’t have human-boobs, they DO have, uh, cat boobs. So to say. And a whole lot of them, too. So if we were to make Charr more anatomically correct, wouldn’t the females have six boobs? That could be… weird. Ugh, the images…

The point in all of this is that GW2 is just a game. It might sometimes be too close to regular fantasy, especially in making every single class “human like”. Think about it. If Rata Sum was built by asura, for asura, why is it human sized? Why should asura look like dwarves in their own home city? From a technical standpoint, it’s obviously so the other races don’t have to crawl. But from a lore standpoint, it looks weird. Imagine hobbits living in human-size houses? It would look ridiculous, yet that’s exactly what the asura do. Likewise, why are all armor and weapon the same for every race? Asura are not big and strong, so why should they use a human greatsword or hammer? Why can’t Charr use claw-like weapons? Charr and Norn are big and strong, so why can’t they take advantage of that and fight with polearms and crossbows? Because it’s just a game, and making every single race unique would take up too much work.

Asura fashion is best fashion.

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