Guild Wars 2

It seems that most of the leggings are some sort of skirt. Am I the only wanting something to be more like normal pants?

It’s just that, some of the armor looks like it’d be much cool accompanied with pants of some sort rather than a skirt. Like, for example, the Trickster’s Vest. It looks really cool but it just seems a little out of place with a lot of the leggings… including the Trickster’s Leggings.

Also, I’ve made a female pyromancer that’s still on the masculine side, and it just seems awkward putting a skirt on her.

I think it would be nice to see some light armor leggings that aren’t skirts in the future.

i want to see more open legs across all type of armors

Devout armor. There ya go.

99% of players with a light armored male character seconds this, truly ._. I’m fed-up to use human T2 for every character -.-

I might as well add that more medium chest armor that doesn’t go past the the thighs or waist would be nice as well. Because cloaks are cool but I don’t imagine the most agile rangers or thieves wearing cloaks…

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

It would be nice to have more trouser leggings. Currently there is only embroidered.

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

girl = Guy In Real Life

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

By that logic, where are the super revealing tops for my male characters? What if I’d like the option to stare at my warrior’s finely sculpted physique?

sweetmesquite.5024:

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

By that logic, where are the super revealing tops for my male characters? What if I’d like the option to stare at my warrior’s finely sculpted physique?

It is true though…
Wether it’s also the other way around I don’t know.

I’d like greater armor variety in general. More skirts for medium (not trenchcoat or butt cape. Think studded leather gw1 armor), more non-trenchcoat tops for medium, more pants for light.

Of course I say I’d like more variety but it’ll only ever come in the gem store. Shame.

Flash.6912:

i want to see more open legs across all type of armors

Should’ve named your account “Flesh”.

I’d like to see leggings without skirts, too. But I’d also like “coats”/“chest pieces” that aren’t bimbo tops that show lots of skin and are not just slightly girlized versions of what they guys’ is. Something that’s truly pretty. If a warrior can run around with her breasts hanging out (good deity, even Scottish warriors are smart enough to put multiple layers of cloth over their delicates), they can also run around wearing more frilly clothes. Each is equally impractical! And I won’t even start on the hideous options for head armor – I hide it, unless I have on my aviator glasses.

Silvia.9130:

99% of players with a light armored male character seconds this, truly ._. I’m fed-up to use human T2 for every character -.-

the problem with mmo’s, is that when they say light armor (more often than not in my experience) they mean robes. forgetting that many mages in other rpg games could access actual light armor, like chainmail, glass, scale, etc. or d&d’s warlock(necro) could use leather armor and some scale. i hate that light armor means cloth. at the very least, make light armor look like armor.
the only time i’ve found light armor that looks like anything protective is drybones pauldrons/gloves, soul of koda, and path of koda.

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

okay, counter argument. skyrim mods that show nearly everything on female characters. to me that says desperation. different argument for another time.

AC Dungeon pants — those are reminiscent of a renaissance page. My mesmer wears them for adventuring. She also sports the Trickster skirt but with the AC boots so her legs don’t flash.

There need to be more like that, but if you want pants rather than a skirt, there is that one option.

arjeidi.2690:

I’d like greater armor variety in general. More skirts for medium (not trenchcoat or butt cape. Think studded leather gw1 armor), more non-trenchcoat tops for medium, more pants for light.

Of course I say I’d like more variety but it’ll only ever come in the gem store. Shame.

PinkAttitude.4967:

I’d like to see leggings without skirts, too. But I’d also like “coats”/“chest pieces” that aren’t bimbo tops that show lots of skin and are not just slightly girlized versions of what they guys’ is. Something that’s truly pretty. If a warrior can run around with her breasts hanging out (good deity, even Scottish warriors are smart enough to put multiple layers of cloth over their delicates), they can also run around wearing more frilly clothes. Each is equally impractical! And I won’t even start on the hideous options for head armor – I hide it, unless I have on my aviator glasses.

I agree with both of you—more variety is good. At least when it comes to length. I ended up getting the Krytan armor for my ranger because it looked like a vest and didn’t act as a tailcoat, but mostly because there wasn’t much for options then.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

sweetmesquite.5024:

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

By that logic, where are the super revealing tops for my male characters? What if I’d like the option to stare at my warrior’s finely sculpted physique?

It is true though…
Wether it’s also the other way around I don’t know.

…What about the ladies who like to look at ladies?

Heh heh just had to add it.

I would like more armor variety. And new armor. And more armor. To be acquired ingame. Also whatever happened to full-on gowns that DON’T have random pieces of cloth snipped out of them (looking at you Masquerade!)? I’d like Queen Jennah’s dress and more full gowns like the TA light set.

Because people like to wear things for different occasions. Sometimes my ele just wants some pants and a t-shirt and sometimes my guard wants to go to a fancy party in a dress.

People might hate WoW all they want, but their initial game (non-expansions) had literally hundreds of unique armor items. This isn’t the same with GW2 though. I think even GW1 has more unique armor.

There’s a lot of things that look really awkward in general.

Part of the reason I haven’t wanted to make a medium armor class is because there’s almost no top that looks good except the underboob one lol. While that one is nice, I would prefer if I wasn’t wearing the exact same thing as everybody else. Medium tops = hideous.

For light tops, my ele is wearing winged tunic. Looks better than t3 human imo :P

Dont bring wow variety in on this. Most of their armor pieces are paint. For the first half of the games life all that had any substance was shoulder pieces. The rest of armor was paint over the toons skin

Female characters in most games get the short end of the skimpy stick – guaranteed if a female is playable in any game she either has skirts or 99% of her armor is disturbingly skimpy or both. As a female player, yeah it’s very annoying- why do male characters mostly get full body armor while the female “the most important parts of her body” are covered – chest & butt- the rest though just show because you know, it’s so much better that way sarcasm

Does Lord Faren count?

From: http://bikiniarmorbattledamage.tumblr.com/post/78258766632/female-armor-bingo

(And no, Lord Faren doesn’t count. ;p)

By the sex sells logic, they should give us tight pants like leggings or skinny jeans! Please no more skirts for light >.> … butt capes are the worst…

Chasind.3128:

Female characters in most games get the short end of the skimpy stick – guaranteed if a female is playable in any game she either has skirts or 99% of her armor is disturbingly skimpy or both. As a female player, yeah it’s very annoying- why do male characters mostly get full body armor while the female “the most important parts of her body” are covered – chest & butt- the rest though just show because you know, it’s so much better that way sarcasm

GW1 had a pretty reasonable balance.
For example you could have a monk with one of the the super skimpy tattoo sets or you could have one that is very conservative. There were also ones in between. More or less the case for all the other classes too. Except Dervish and Paragon. Those were all “meh”.

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

That’s a foolish statement.
First, you assume that there isn’t a significant female player base for Guild Wars 2. In fact, there are a large number of female players. Do they outnumber male players? No. But they are a significant customer group. In this day and age, it’s inaccurate to assume that female character=male player.
Second, you act like all males share your opinion about skirts. Some males prefer skirts, some males prefer pants. Whether the guys in question want a realistic character, or a sex doll, their personal images of said character will vary widely.

Honestly, who would NOT want more variety? :/

Most male heavy armors have skirt as well. Not very masculine.
I was using heritage armor since i made my warrior. One of the only ones without skirt.
Then I changed to ascended when it was released.

Khisanth.2948:

Chasind.3128:

Female characters in most games get the short end of the skimpy stick – guaranteed if a female is playable in any game she either has skirts or 99% of her armor is disturbingly skimpy or both. As a female player, yeah it’s very annoying- why do male characters mostly get full body armor while the female “the most important parts of her body” are covered – chest & butt- the rest though just show because you know, it’s so much better that way sarcasm

GW1 had a pretty reasonable balance.
For example you could have a monk with one of the the super skimpy tattoo sets or you could have one that is very conservative. There were also ones in between. More or less the case for all the other classes too. Except Dervish and Paragon. Those were all “meh”.

GW1 had no balance at all XD. Monks had some covering clothing, but most female classes had virtually none.
“Sexy” clothing isn’t all about showing skin. An armor set can cover a woman’s entire body, but if it’s skin tight and shows the shape of her bum and breasts—as if she were naked—then it’s still “sexy”. Almost all the GW1 sets either showed a ton of skin, or were skin-tight.

I think it would be a wonderful idea to add more choices and options to the game for everyone, so long as it doesn’t take away from other existing to future choices and options.

Weindrasi.3805:

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

That’s a foolish statement.
First, you assume that there isn’t a significant female player base for Guild Wars 2. In fact, there are a large number of female players. Do they outnumber male players? No. But they are a significant customer group. In this day and age, it’s inaccurate to assume that female character=male player.
Second, you act like all males share your opinion about skirts. Some males prefer skirts, some males prefer pants. Whether the guys in question want a realistic character, or a sex doll, their personal images of said character will vary widely.

Honestly, who would NOT want more variety? :/

Agreed, for the most part. Just wanted to add: one can’t assume all male characters are male players, either. The only safe assumption is there’s likely a human being driving the character. Unless it’s a bot, of course. Though, I’m pretty sure bots don’t care what they wear.

I’d also add, I play male characters and female asura because it means I don’t have to contend with either a lack or overabundance of armour on the females (human, norn, sylvari). I do have to deal with buttcapes, however, which are a treacherous beast. I’m now saving up my Ascalonian tears for the AC pants, which are quite yummy. They would probably work quite nicely on a lady human/sylvari/norn, too.

That said, I always liked the conjurer pants on the ladies. On the other hand, I wish there was a masquerade skirt that went around all the way. And had a different, extra top part that was a bit more complete (it wouldn’t be masquerade then, but just a full ballgown type thing, and I’d have no issue with the suspenders remaining). Plus more pants.

What it comes down to: Everyone Needs Trousers! Bring the Trousers! Pants for Plants (and non-plants)! Light Armour Users Want Nice Trousers! Without Bits Missing!

And some underwired bras might be necessary for some characters. Or sports bras. Frankly, I’m surprised the Tyrian chiropractors and osteopaths don’t get more business.

nexxe.7081:

People might hate WoW all they want, but their initial game (non-expansions) had literally hundreds of unique armor items. This isn’t the same with GW2 though. I think even GW1 has more unique armor.

How many of the WoW armors were max stat though ?
Or at least statted high enough that people will spend significant time in them. Because most players will pick stats over looks. So if the stats suck, I wouldn’t count it.

From memory all the GW1 armor skins counted because they were available at max stats. Prophesies had some annoyances where some skins were tied to specific stats, but that went away. GW2 launched with transmutation stones.

So how many WoW armor skins had stats high enough to matter ?

notebene.3190:

I think it would be a wonderful idea to add more choices and options to the game for everyone, so long as it doesn’t take away from other existing to future choices and options.

Personally, what I think ANET should do when they make an armor skin is make one skin for one race/gender combination. Then, when they alter it for all the other race/gender combinations, the only alterations are the ones that are necessary due to anatomical differences.

Then apply that same standard to existing armor skins. When the female version has a skirt, then so does the male version. Yes, that will mean crossdressers. But if ANET isn’t comfortable seeing the same armor skin on a male human, female human, charr and asura, then they should never have put it into game in the first place.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

So how many WoW armor skins had stats high enough to matter ?

WoW has a transmutation system as well.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

Then apply that same standard to existing armor skins. When the female version has a skirt, then so does the male version. Yes, that will mean crossdressers. But if ANET isn’t comfortable seeing the same armor skin on a male human, female human, charr and asura, then they should never have put it into game in the first place.

So long as it gets edited/adjusted appropriately. Some of the light armor on lady norn just hangs awkwardly and we have belly button malfunctions! T_T

To be fair male light/medium armor classes have nearly no “trousers only” options either. Mostly it looks like a robe or a coat.

Atm I’m quite happy to be able to use the pirate costume but pls, pls, pls give us more of those options. =)

Spazzmatica.9704:

I might as well add that more medium chest armor that doesn’t go past the the thighs or waist would be nice as well. Because cloaks are cool but I don’t imagine the most agile rangers or thieves wearing cloaks…

is not even a cloak, most of them are some weird trashy style of a male gabardine coat lol and always on leather, which makes most of dyes awfully looking, like black. Even abyss looks like kitten in most of medium armour.

Light has Embroidered (crafted), Incarnate (gem store), and there’s a lot of pants with an open skirt/dress type design. But I agree, we could use more pants.

In the real world almost all pants are cloth yet we just have some Hammer Pants…

Allaraina.8614:

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

So how many WoW armor skins had stats high enough to matter ?

WoW has a transmutation system as well.

When was that added ?
Because nexxe.7081 was talking about vanilla WoW. I’ll settle for the count the day before they added transmutation.

The current armor skin count in WoW would also be useful to know.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

Then apply that same standard to existing armor skins. When the female version has a skirt, then so does the male version. Yes, that will mean crossdressers. But if ANET isn’t comfortable seeing the same armor skin on a male human, female human, charr and asura, then they should never have put it into game in the first place.

So long as it gets edited/adjusted appropriately. Some of the light armor on lady norn just hangs awkwardly and we have belly button malfunctions! T_T

Yes, that should be done in the process.

I agree with this thread. While I don’t mind the skirts and longcoats being around, its annoying when nearly all of our potions are along those two. I want pants and shirts/vests!

The only female pants with no skirt are the Profane pants…which don’t match well with much else besides the set itself, and barely count as pants. Beyond that, it’s either the Embroidered Pants (which have a rear skirt of sorts) or the Ascalonian Light Pants (which also have a mini skirt around the top of them on the female version…which doesn’t make sense.)

The only non-longcoat options for medium armor can be counted on one hand as well:

- Studded Coat/Vest
-Marksman’s Coat
-Duelist/Sneakthief Coat (unless you’re male or asura, in which case it’s a half-longcoat)
- Krytan Jerkin (same as the Sneakthief Coat)

Even heavy armor options suffer from this. Only two no-skirt options.

- Heavy Plate Leggings (Lionguard leggings)
- Aetherblade Heavy Leggings

Nilkemia.8507:

The only non-longcoat options for medium armor can be counted on one hand as well:

- Studded Coat/Vest
-Marksman’s Coat
-Duelist/Sneakthief Coat (unless you’re male or asura, in which case it’s a half-longcoat)
- Krytan Jerkin (same as the Sneakthief Coat)

also Rawhide, Ascalonian, Priory, Scout, Assassin, (both human cultural), Prowler, Viper (gemshop) and ascended. (that’s only for female version – there are some differences for males, and some of the abovementioned armor pieces might possibly be considered very short longcoats).

Nilkemia.8507:

Even heavy armor options suffer from this. Only two no-skirt options.

- Heavy Plate Leggings (Lionguard leggings)
- Aetherblade Heavy Leggings

also temple armor, Priory, Plated, t3 human cultural, Primeval (gemshop), and ascended.

For light armor however the choice for pants really is practically non-existent.

Embroidered maybe?

Armor: the shiny part

“Why are female characters wearing feminine clothing?”

Gee I wonder…

Weindrasi.3805:

Khisanth.2948:

Chasind.3128:

Female characters in most games get the short end of the skimpy stick – guaranteed if a female is playable in any game she either has skirts or 99% of her armor is disturbingly skimpy or both. As a female player, yeah it’s very annoying- why do male characters mostly get full body armor while the female “the most important parts of her body” are covered – chest & butt- the rest though just show because you know, it’s so much better that way sarcasm

GW1 had a pretty reasonable balance.
For example you could have a monk with one of the the super skimpy tattoo sets or you could have one that is very conservative. There were also ones in between. More or less the case for all the other classes too. Except Dervish and Paragon. Those were all “meh”.

GW1 had no balance at all XD. Monks had some covering clothing, but most female classes had virtually none.
“Sexy” clothing isn’t all about showing skin. An armor set can cover a woman’s entire body, but if it’s skin tight and shows the shape of her bum and breasts—as if she were naked—then it’s still “sexy”. Almost all the GW1 sets either showed a ton of skin, or were skin-tight.

There are fitted ones and there are skin tight ones. Those two should not be confused with each other. No interest in seeing baggy jeans(or skinny ones …) in any games.

Elementalist and Mesmer were skewed more towards the revealing side and Monk was on the opposite end. Necromancer and Ritualists … not sure where those fall. It should also be noted that most of the male necromancer sets are in the skin tight category as well.

I wouldn’t mind a pair of pants but all we get are skirts and trench coats. Then again it’s not like that isn’t a fantasy trope.

a t s e.9614:

Most females are dudes IRL , skirts are better to look at.

Bullkitten. Skirts are terrible compared to something that actually reflects the person’s anatomy, instead of just being a glorfied bag wrapped around it.

Ceridwen.6703:

… I always liked the conjurer pants on the ladies. On the other hand, I wish there was a masquerade skirt that went around all the way. And had a different, extra top part that was a bit more complete (it wouldn’t be masquerade then, but just a full ballgown type thing, and I’d have no issue with the suspenders remaining). Plus more pants.

What it comes down to: Everyone Needs Trousers! Bring the Trousers! Pants for Plants (and non-plants)! Light Armour Users Want Nice Trousers! Without Bits Missing!

And some underwired bras might be necessary for some characters. Or sports bras. Frankly, I’m surprised the Tyrian chiropractors and osteopaths don’t get more business.

YES!!

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

Personally, what I think ANET should do when they make an armor skin is make one skin for one race/gender combination. Then, when they alter it for all the other race/gender combinations, the only alterations are the ones that are necessary due to anatomical differences.

Then apply that same standard to existing armor skins. When the female version has a skirt, then so does the male version. Yes, that will mean crossdressers. But if ANET isn’t comfortable seeing the same armor skin on a male human, female human, charr and asura, then they should never have put it into game in the first place.

Yes to this, too!! I want more equality in my fantasy settings; can’t we move forward from gender-based uniforms?

This has gone on so long with all 3 armor tiers that I have no faith whatsoever that they’ll ever add skirtless armor. Something’s seriously wrong with their designers if they haven’t noticed this by now. Even more wrong if they have and just ignore it and keep pumping out the same exact thing over and over. The weirdest thing about it is how much easier it’d be to design such armor since they wouldn’t have to worry about clipping and the armor would be smaller and would have less pieces.

More variety in armor is long overdue. In all classes, all races. And not just gem store stuff. I have to admit though that some of the gem store medium armors are pretty awesome. However, there is little variety all around. In a game that states end game is really asthetic, it’s not measuring up.

Behellagh.1468:

I wouldn’t mind a pair of pants but all we get are skirts and trench coats. Then again it’s not like that isn’t a fantasy trope.

And Asuna is a Warrior judging by her skills, not a light/medium armour class

nexxe.7081:

People might hate WoW all they want, but their initial game (non-expansions) had literally hundreds of unique armor items. This isn’t the same with GW2 though. I think even GW1 has more unique armor.

Across ALL of Guild Wars 1, each profession had 30-35 or so unique armors. The problem is, is that 25 of those 30 armors all look exactly the same for each profession. Every Ranger armor had some sort of stupid shoulder piece only on the right shoulder. All Assassin armor had varying amounts of skin cover, as well as varying amounts of pointy stuff coming off of everywhere. If Monks weren’t wearing the exact same cloth, they were wearing a variation of tattoos instead. All Dervish Armor had a Hood and skirts. All Paragon armor had skirts as well.

That’s about 300 total armor sets across 10 professions, 600 if you split genders (and that’s assuming they all had at least 30, and they don’t, only the 6 core professions had them, so that 600 number is very generous). In Guild Wars 2, there is 50 armor sets per weight, and across genders and having to use different models for different races, you could say there is at least 600 different armor sets in Guild Wars 2. (50 per weight x 3 = 150 × 2 genders = 300, + 150 more for Char + 150 more for asura, both of which use the same armor model for both genders. (and I’m also pretty sure that Norn and Sylvari use the same model as humans)

600 different armors, plus another 40 or so additional head pieces, is kind of a lot of stuff that they had to make. Not only that, but you can dye 99% of it to any color you want. You don’t have that much coverage in GW1, and definitely not in WoW. Sure, a lot of it looks the same, but it is nowhere near as bad as GW1 was, which itself wasn’t as bad as other earlier online games were.