Guild Wars 2

It’s been so long since I’ve played a game with the QoL enhancing dungeon finder like Rift, WoW and Aion has that I kinda forgot what it was like to spend a large portion of my time screaming “LFG LFG LFG” over and over in chat without response.

Ah, good times.

Not really. Thank the six dungeons aren’t necessary >_>

don’t ruin the community feel bro’!

=D Community Building via lack of dungeon finder. Aka: loading up your block list with names of people who won’t quit spamming LFG in town or QQing because no one their level is on, then making those same block lists later when you do the same thing. =D

You expect them to give us a feature that they had in the first game?!

Madness….

mokaiba.4169:

Tolmos.8395:

It’s been so long since I’ve played a game with the QoL enhancing dungeon finder like Rift, WoW and Aion has that I kinda forgot what it was like to spend a large portion of my time screaming “LFG LFG LFG” over and over in chat without response.

Ah, good times.

Not really. Thank the six dungeons aren’t necessary >_>

stop being stupid. press Y.

Except almost no one uses it, and most people don’t even know it exists.

I think it’s incredibly ironic actually.

“We removed the trinity because spamming ‘LF Healer GTG’ isn’t fun”

Yet since those games have LFG system people don’t have to spam that, and here you do.

Delicious irony haha.

Knote.2904:

I think it’s incredibly ironic actually.

“We removed the trinity because spamming ‘LF Healer GTG’ isn’t fun”

Yet since those games have LFG system people don’t have to spam that, and here you do.

Delicious irony haha.

This did make me chuckle. =D 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

I know they are going to put one in, I just can’t believe they are using the “it builds community to use chat to LFG” as an excuse to cover up the rush job they were forced into.

HAHA PVPonline comic about guildwars dungeon grouping is totally inaccurate.
If anyone can recall they were making fun of people LFGing for healers and the protagonist was like “How Ironic they died waiting for a healer”

Now if that comic was anything like the current situation in Guildwars2, it would be “How ironic they got rid of the specific role mechanic and now no one wants to do dungeons and hence they died waiting for a group”.

Please Anet for the sake of FUN, add a dungeon finder.

illgot.1056:

I know they are going to put one in, I just can’t believe they are using the “it builds community to use chat to LFG” as an excuse to cover up the rush job they were forced into.

I wouldnt mind the LFG kitten if I didn’t get suppressed.

I am not having any issues finding people for dungeons.
Usually takes 5 …maybe 10 minutes to get people together.

And I Am talking about the hard to get groups for things too.
Any story mode.
And some of the harder dungeons like Arah and Crucible explorer modes.

I really do not see the point of a group finder in GW2.
The point of a group finder is for /other/ MMO’s where 99% of the players are DPS and the other 1% are the tanks and healers.

@Echo

Some of us aren’t on Desolation.

I am not on desolation either.

spacemayu.4817:

@Echo

Some of us aren’t on Desolation.

Isn’t it annoying when some fanboy goes, my server has no issue, I can’t possibly understand how your server would have this issue when mine doesn’t.

Yup. I can’t find a team to do TA with me. I get usually up to 3, then they leave because nobody joins.

The “lfg” status is not really useful if people cant know what you are looking for.

Noxu.7203:

I’ve actually found it fun asking for people to join the group for a dungeon. I’m a patient person and can wait 5 minutes for people to join.

I hated the LFD tool in WoW because it just pit random strangers with random strangers who didn’t talk to each other and just ran through to the very end (heck, most of them skipped all the bosses, because if you joined through the LFD, you couldn’t make any choices.)

I do wish there would be a world-wide LookingForGroup Channel, though. That might make things better.

But oh gawd, I seriously hope they don’t put in a dungeon/group finder. The last thing I need, and many others need, is another silent no-word run-through of dungeons just to farm.

Yuck.

Then don’t use it.

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It doesn’t help that if someone does use the current in-game LFG… uh… “system” a lot of people automatically think they are a noob and discount them entirely. So yeah, no surprise there. Even modern hastily made 2D Dungeon & Fighter copycats in China have better LFG systems.

I have over 2500 badges from PUG runs for AC and the average wait time is about an hour which includes constantly “map chatting” in both LA and the dungeon’s map. Maybe it’s better on other servers.

Of course, psychology doesn’t help. I.E. when there is a group that only needs one person there is 30+ people spamming that group leader, but the lone wolf or groups with only 2 people they wait forever. Plus, people have a tendency to put their ignore lists even if you advert every 20 minutes or so – then when they need to run a dungeon the cycle repeats itself.

Bellatrix.5402:

It doesn’t help that if someone does use the current in-game LFG… uh… “system” a lot of people automatically think they are a noob and discount them entirely. So yeah, no surprise there. Even modern hastily made 2D Dungeon & Fighter copycats in China have better LFG systems.

I have over 2500 badges from PUG runs for AC and the average wait time is about an hour which includes constantly “map chatting” in both LA and the dungeon’s map. Maybe it’s better on other servers.

Of course, psychology doesn’t help. I.E. when there is a group that only needs one person there is 30+ people spamming that group leader, but the lone wolf or groups with only 2 people they wait forever. Plus, people have a tendency to put their ignore lists even if you advert every 20 minutes or so – then when they need to run a dungeon the cycle repeats itself.

speaking of LFG system hell even guildwars had a better one, this one is just a joke.

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

Noxu.7203:

I’ve actually found it fun asking for people to join the group for a dungeon. I’m a patient person and can wait 5 minutes for people to join.

I hated the LFD tool in WoW because it just pit random strangers with random strangers who didn’t talk to each other and just ran through to the very end (heck, most of them skipped all the bosses, because if you joined through the LFD, you couldn’t make any choices.)

I do wish there would be a world-wide LookingForGroup Channel, though. That might make things better.

But oh gawd, I seriously hope they don’t put in a dungeon/group finder. The last thing I need, and many others need, is another silent no-word run-through of dungeons just to farm.

Yuck.

5 mins? So any longer and you’d get sick of spamming lfg? :P

Your wow argument is easily countered, you see the main reason ppl didnt talk was because it was cross server. Nobody knew eachother at all, and had no need to make a social attempt as theyd likely never see eachother again.

With that said, all anet has to do is implement the system for EACH server, so the only diff in this case is you’re not spamming lfg, you’re put in a group with ppl who you would’ve met with anyway but without said hassle.

Fact is this, spamming lfg using diff wording to avoid a badly constructed spam filter is tedious and quite frankly unproductive as you could be standing there for way longer than ‘5 mins’.

Your argument that spamming lfg, receiving ‘inv pls’ whispers, and ppl self inviting into your group, would somehow create more of a ‘convo/social atmosphere’ is utterly baseless my friend.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

Why do I have to take care of this matter myself? Why do i have to be on a guild that does a lot of pve to be able to do a dungeon? And what if they dont want to when im able to play? What do I do then?

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

OOOH Right and then spam LFG in the guild chat yes?
And when that fails find a new guild?

Yeah Dungeon Finder > your ridiculous methods.

Nothing ridiculous about it. You just want the easy way out so you don’t have to do anything but sit in town and click a button to get a group.

And….. if you join a guild that runs dungeons, why would you need to spam guild chat? They obviously are up for running dungeons, so just asking once would easily get you a group. Simple logic friend, use it.

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

Why do I have to take care of this matter myself? Why do i have to be on a guild that does a lot of pve to be able to do a dungeon? And what if they dont want to when im able to play? What do I do then?

Really? So because you’re lazy and don’t want to put any effort into finding a guild that runs dungeons, you expect Anet to implement a feature to do it all for you? Talk about entitlement. “Anet I don’t want to put in any effort to find a guild/group that does dungeons. Do it for me”……

Noxu.7203:

I suppose I should’ve worded myself better.

A LFD tool wouldn’t be terrible. Like you suggest, choppah, if it’s only server-wide instead of game-wide.

Part of what drove me away from WoW was the fact that the only way to ever truly get a dungeon group was if you took the random dungeon finder or had a very large guild with people playing constantly.

What I think ArenaNet would like to do is keep some semblance of a community intact. Yes, all of you that want a game-wide LFD group will be disappointed, but in reality, it did destroy a lot of the community in WoW.

People were outright rude to one another because they didn’t care who those people were, they just wanted the quick run and if you weren’t “fast enough” or if you were “new” to the dungeon, then they’d kick you. That’s not an environment I’d imagine ArenaNet would want to put in this game, considering it’s more about bringing the community together, rather than against one another.

So, in short, I’ll say it again. I’d be fine with any improved way on the LFG tool (be it through a server-wide channel), or a finder that randomly puts you together, so long as it maintains true to ArenaNet’s vision of the community being strong, friendly, and helpful to one another.

You talk about it like PUGs are magical wonderful things when acquired without LFD.
Reality check please.

A PUG is a PUG no matter what means you acquire it from.

It may end up well it may end up badly.

If a pug ends up badly is there really any real investment to stay behind and dredge through the muck?

Again its up to the individual player to decide this for themselves, its a PUG.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

Why do I have to take care of this matter myself? Why do i have to be on a guild that does a lot of pve to be able to do a dungeon? And what if they dont want to when im able to play? What do I do then?

Really? So because you’re lazy and don’t want to put any effort into finding a guild that runs dungeons, you expect Anet to implement a feature to do it all for you? Talk about entitlement. “Anet I don’t want to put in any effort to find a guild/group that does dungeons. Do it for me”……

Yeah talk about an entitlement when many major game names have this feature, gee I wonder what they did wrong there.

Many things, but a Dungeon Finder isn’t one of them.

Even Guildwars has one which made it hell of a lot easier to pug during Zaishen missions;

But I enjoy being in a guild with fellas i have fun, but they dont always do dungeons, they do a little of all. And I dont want to be in another guild. And the “lfg” in LA in my server is kind of crappy. I have to be in another and just represent it when i want to go on dungeons then? And what if they are not connected when I log or no one wants to do the dungeon i want?

The game itself SHOULD facilitate this. The game cant expect that there will be always people at all time in the dungeon entrance looking for a team.

Some Tips
Say LF2m or LF1m
I pair the above statement (even if i’m lying) with Experienced group! Fast & easy
This lets me a full group in about 2-5 minutes from LA

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

OOOH Right and then spam LFG in the guild chat yes?
And when that fails find a new guild?

Yeah Dungeon Finder > your ridiculous methods.

Nothing ridiculous about it. You just want the easy way out so you don’t have to do anything but sit in town and click a button to get a group.

And….. if you join a guild that runs dungeons, why would you need to spam guild chat? They obviously are up for running dungeons, so just asking once would easily get you a group. Simple logic friend, use it.

Sit in a town and push a button? Really.

Sorry but If I pushed a button to queue for a dungeon, last thing I would do is sit in a town, hell Id go to another zone, clear a few hearts, oh OH WAIT! QUEUE is up! Enter dungeon.

The first thing Id have to do in this current system is sit in a town and LFG.

Again your methods and suggestions are ridiculous as I said before to Nuxos if you don’t like the feature, don’t use it.

I don’t like the Melee Assist feature, I have it turned off, do you see me QQing at the forum about a feature I dont like which lets me have the option to not use it?

And to your rebuttal about guilds that run dungeon, really everything revolves around you doesnt it?

You do understand there are days where some people in a guild that dont feel like running the same dungeon you want to run, even so much so that some guilds have to PUG their last 1 – 2 members.

And during those days, Id like to be able to form a group fast without having to spend 10 or more minutes LFGing

Sirevanac.3178:

But I enjoy being in a guild with fellas i have fun, but they dont always do dungeons, they do a little of all. And I dont want to be in another guild. And the “lfg” in LA in my server is kind of crappy. I have to be in another and just represent it when i want to go on dungeons then? And what if they are not connected when I log or no one wants to do the dungeon i want?

The game itself SHOULD facilitate this. The game cant expect that there will be always people at all time in the dungeon entrance looking for a team.

So you’re making the choice to not take advantage of the features already provided to you because you don’t want to? Then it’s not Anet’s fault, it’s your own. There is other ways for you to find a group for dungeons, you just don’t want to use them. So because you choose not to use the options provided, you will just instead complain to Anet to give you a LFD feature. Seems completely logical.

And finding the right guild isn’t hard. If you’re worried about people being online or actually wanting to run dungeons, do your research before joining a random guild. Guilds advertise all the time. Ask around, find out when their peak hours are, match it up to yours. Find out how often they run dungeons, etc etc. A little research and effort will easily find you what you need.

Noxu.7203:

@ Rizzy: You’re arguing for the sake of arguing now.

PUGs can be a lot of fun without the LFD. In WoW, and in GW2 even (yes, I know, I play the game), I’ve met quite a good lot of good people on my server that I’ve gotten along with, chatted with, and PvP’d with, after the dungeon.

So yes, it’s a magical wonderful thing. A lot of people are very happy with not having a LFG tool that spreads across the worlds. Maybe, instead of trying to throw this idea at everyone who doesn’t want it, you should try to come up with an idea where everyone can enjoy the same thing instead of telling them, “Don’t like it? Don’t use it.”

You’re arguing for the sake of argument, Im giving you points that are valid.

Your argument is pugs are wonderful things without LFD as though everyone who doesnt use the LFD system is somehow better than those that do.

My point is Pugs are Pugs regardless of what means you got them from.

Your arguement is you don’t want the community to be destroyed because of LFD

My point is, the community is not going to be destroyed because of LFD, if anything it will enhance the community as people who pug in good groups tend to add each other to their friendslist and team up for future dungeons, IF anything LFD promotes people to work together by helping them find good players in random encounters faster.

Your argument is illogical and non progressive.

And before you make a ridiculous claim such as “a lot of people are happy without an LFG tool” please show your sources.

Theres a lot of threads in the suggest forum regarding a LFG tool

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

OOOH Right and then spam LFG in the guild chat yes?
And when that fails find a new guild?

Yeah Dungeon Finder > your ridiculous methods.

Nothing ridiculous about it. You just want the easy way out so you don’t have to do anything but sit in town and click a button to get a group.

And….. if you join a guild that runs dungeons, why would you need to spam guild chat? They obviously are up for running dungeons, so just asking once would easily get you a group. Simple logic friend, use it.

Sit in a town and push a button? Really.

Sorry but If I pushed a button to queue for a dungeon, last thing I would do is sit in a town, hell Id go to another zone, clear a few hearts, oh OH WAIT! QUEUE is up! Enter dungeon.

The first thing Id have to do in this current system is sit in a town and LFG.

Again your methods and suggestions are ridiculous as I said before to Nuxos if you don’t like the feature, don’t use it.

I don’t like the Melee Assist feature, I have it turned off, do you see me QQing at the forum about a feature I dont like which lets me have the option to not use it?

And to your rebuttal about guilds that run dungeon, really everything revolves around you doesnt it?

You do understand there are days where some people in a guild that dont feel like running the same dungeon you want to run, even so much so that some guilds have to PUG their last 1 – 2 members.

And during those days, Id like to be able to form a group fast without having to spend 10 or more minutes LFGing

How is it ridiculous to use the features provided to you? There is options, you just refuse to use them. Instead you want Anet to do all your work for you so you don’t have to do any. Nothing ridiculous about that, you just don’t want to do any effort, so you complain on the forums for a LFD system instead of doing things yourself. That, is what is ridiculous.

And like I already said above, finding a guild for dungeons is easy. You just have to do research and…. here it comes…. put in some EFFORT. If you’re finding that your guild doesn’t want to run dungeons or there isn’t enough people online to do them, then you didn’t research a good enough guild. Actually take the time to find the proper guild instead of taking the first one that says “we run dungeons with cookies!”. Called do a little research and make sure the guild you are joining actually does run dungeons and is willing to help you out just as much as you help them.

Like I said, the features are there already for you to use. You just want the easy way out instead of spending a little effort.

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to thee PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

Sirevanac.3178:

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to de PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

If it really was a good guild with friends, then why are you complaining? If they were your friends, they would run dungeons with you when you need help. If they are blowing you off when you want to do dungeons, then they aren’t really your friends now are they? True friends would help you out as long as you are helping them.

And what is wrong with having multiple guilds? The feature is in the game for a reason. It is designed so if you want that guild of nothing but friends, you can still join that PvP guild and that farming guild if you want as well. Then whenever you want to do other things, represent whichever guild it calls for. AND, if they are your friends, they will understand that you want to do other things, so you will be representing another guild for a bit to do those other things.

Otherwise, I think you should be questioning your friendship with these people more than anything else if they won’t help you with anything.

Noxu.7203:

How is it ridiculous to use the features provided to you? There is options, you just refuse to use them. Instead you want Anet to do all your work for you so you don’t have to do any. Nothing ridiculous about that, you just don’t want to do any effort, so you complain on the forums for a LFD system instead of doing things yourself. That, is what is ridiculous.

And like I already said above, finding a guild for dungeons is easy. You just have to do research and…. here it comes…. put in some EFFORT. If you’re finding that your guild doesn’t want to run dungeons or there isn’t enough people online to do them, then you didn’t research a good enough guild. Actually take the time to find the proper guild instead of taking the first one that says “we run dungeons with cookies!”. Called do a little research and make sure the guild you are joining actually does run dungeons and is willing to help you out just as much as you help them.

Like I said, the features are there already for you to use. You just want the easy way out instead of spending a little effort.

Wow It’s like talking to a brick wall.

Listen, I agree with your wholeheartly, when you dont want to use the LFD system.
I really do, sounds like Im not but hey You don’t want to use it, its YOUR choice.

Other people want to use it, its their choice.
This is a feature that many people have expected from any MMORPG, from WOW to SWTOR even Guildwars (no not guildwars2, guildwars)

The LFG tool they have is worthless, I would have had expected to be able to use that thing in a zone see how many people are LFGing for a specific dungeon and just join up in that group but no instead you have to LFM and when you LFM too much you get suppressed.

Now I don’t know what server you’re from or if you’ve done any Dungeons at all. (im going to guess no) but some people who are not as fortunate as you come from desolate servers where a majority of people don’t dungeon and have a hard time forming a group.

Why is it so difficult for you to allow those people to let Anet ease their burden by making it easier for them to find a group, does it effect you in anyway?

Do you enjoy seeing the same name spamming LFG for 30 minutes, is that why you’re against a Dungeon finder system? Because you enjoy sitting in LA or starter zones looking through all the LFGers?

And as I said before, If you don’t like to use this feature, DONT USE IT.
If it exists as a feature to help other people, LET THEM USE IT.

The problem is there is NO SUCH feature when there should already be one.

Just like Melee Assist, I personally hate it BUT I can turn it off so I dont have to use it.
When a dungeon finder system comes out and you still HATE IT beyond words, You dont HAVE to use it.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to de PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

If it really was a good guild with friends, then why are you complaining? If they were your friends, they would run dungeons with you when you need help. If they are blowing you off when you want to do dungeons, then they aren’t really your friends now are they? True friends would help you out as long as you are helping them.

And what is wrong with having multiple guilds? The feature is in the game for a reason. It is designed so if you want that guild of nothing but friends, you can still join that PvP guild and that farming guild if you want as well. Then whenever you want to do other things, represent whichever guild it calls for. AND, if they are your friends, they will understand that you want to do other things, so you will be representing another guild for a bit to do those other things.

Otherwise, I think you should be questioning your friendship with these people more than anything else if they won’t help you with anything.

What the kitten? Man, if they are in WvW, they’ll stay in WvW. If they are having fun in PvP, i wont disturb them because i want to do other thing. That reasoning is really dumb man…

Anyway, i don’t really see the difference between being in a guild for 5-10-60 mins to spam “anybody want to do X?” instead of “lfg X” in LA. Different chat maybe? It improves my odds of getting the dungeon maybe, considering they wont kick me from it for just being a while representing and not helping really with the sense of that guild to PvE.

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to de PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

If it really was a good guild with friends, then why are you complaining? If they were your friends, they would run dungeons with you when you need help. If they are blowing you off when you want to do dungeons, then they aren’t really your friends now are they? True friends would help you out as long as you are helping them.

And what is wrong with having multiple guilds? The feature is in the game for a reason. It is designed so if you want that guild of nothing but friends, you can still join that PvP guild and that farming guild if you want as well. Then whenever you want to do other things, represent whichever guild it calls for. AND, if they are your friends, they will understand that you want to do other things, so you will be representing another guild for a bit to do those other things.

Otherwise, I think you should be questioning your friendship with these people more than anything else if they won’t help you with anything.

What the kitten? Man, if they are in WvW, they’ll stay in WvW. If they are having fun in PvP, i wont disturb them because i want to do other thing. That reasoning is really dumb man…

Anyway, i don’t really see the difference between being in a guild for 5-10-60 mins to spam “anybody want to do X?” instead of “lfg X” in LA. Different chat maybe? It improves my odds of getting the dungeon maybe, considering they wont kick me from it for just being a while representing and not helping really with the sense of that guild to PvE.

Some people don’t understand this.
Imagine this scenario, Im playing guildwars in the same room as my friends and they’re wanting to play Killing Floor, ask me if I want to play killing floor and I decline their invitation.

This concept is alien to some people who expect hive mentality with the guild do things as one ideology.

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

How is it ridiculous to use the features provided to you? There is options, you just refuse to use them. Instead you want Anet to do all your work for you so you don’t have to do any. Nothing ridiculous about that, you just don’t want to do any effort, so you complain on the forums for a LFD system instead of doing things yourself. That, is what is ridiculous.

And like I already said above, finding a guild for dungeons is easy. You just have to do research and…. here it comes…. put in some EFFORT. If you’re finding that your guild doesn’t want to run dungeons or there isn’t enough people online to do them, then you didn’t research a good enough guild. Actually take the time to find the proper guild instead of taking the first one that says “we run dungeons with cookies!”. Called do a little research and make sure the guild you are joining actually does run dungeons and is willing to help you out just as much as you help them.

Like I said, the features are there already for you to use. You just want the easy way out instead of spending a little effort.

Wow It’s like talking to a brick wall.

Listen, I agree with your wholeheartly, when you dont want to use the LFD system.
I really do, sounds like Im not but hey You don’t want to use it, its YOUR choice.

Other people want to use it, its their choice.
This is a feature that many people have expected from any MMORPG, from WOW to SWTOR even Guildwars (no not guildwars2, guildwars)

The LFG tool they have is worthless, I would have had expected to be able to use that thing in a zone see how many people are LFGing for a specific dungeon and just join up in that group but no instead you have to LFM and when you LFM too much you get suppressed.

Now I don’t know what server you’re from or if you’ve done any Dungeons at all. (im going to guess no) but some people who are not as fortunate as you come from desolate servers where a majority of people don’t dungeon and have a hard time forming a group.

Why is it so difficult for you to allow those people to let Anet ease their burden by making it easier for them to find a group, does it effect you in anyway?

Do you enjoy seeing the same name spamming LFG for 30 minutes, is that why you’re against a Dungeon finder system? Because you enjoy sitting in LA or starter zones looking through all the LFGers?

And as I said before, If you don’t like to use this feature, DONT USE IT.
If it exists as a feature to help other people, LET THEM USE IT.

The problem is there is NO SUCH feature when there should already be one.

Just like Melee Assist, I personally hate it BUT I can turn it off so I dont have to use it.
When a dungeon finder system comes out and you still HATE IT beyond words, You dont HAVE to use it.

I’m on Tarnished Coast and have a guild that actually runs dungeons all the time. Literally farms them. Because I did research and found a guild to do just that when I need to do it. If I’m not representing them, they will toss me a whisper and ask if I can help with some dungeon runs. I gladly switch to represent and start doing dungeon runs. And whenever I want to do some dungeons, they are willing to help me out as well cause I help them out. I put in the effort to find my own means of getting dungeons, why can’t you? Why do you need a system to do it for you instead?

But let’s go with your logic. Cause it seems perfectly okay. So Anet should implement a LFD feature so those who don’t want to do any effort can find groups easily right? It doesn’t affect anyone and it’s perfectly fine cause anyone can find people to do dungeons, they just have to put in a little effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay.

So I should complain to Anet to add free level 80’s to the gem store. It doesn’t affect anyone else right if I get a instant level 80 because anyone can get one too, they just have to put in the effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay sounds fair.

Perfectly fine logic there. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Let’s see what else we can add to the game with that logic.

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to de PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

If it really was a good guild with friends, then why are you complaining? If they were your friends, they would run dungeons with you when you need help. If they are blowing you off when you want to do dungeons, then they aren’t really your friends now are they? True friends would help you out as long as you are helping them.

And what is wrong with having multiple guilds? The feature is in the game for a reason. It is designed so if you want that guild of nothing but friends, you can still join that PvP guild and that farming guild if you want as well. Then whenever you want to do other things, represent whichever guild it calls for. AND, if they are your friends, they will understand that you want to do other things, so you will be representing another guild for a bit to do those other things.

Otherwise, I think you should be questioning your friendship with these people more than anything else if they won’t help you with anything.

What the kitten? Man, if they are in WvW, they’ll stay in WvW. If they are having fun in PvP, i wont disturb them because i want to do other thing. That reasoning is really dumb man…

Anyway, i don’t really see the difference between being in a guild for 5-10-60 mins to spam “anybody want to do X?” instead of “lfg X” in LA. Different chat maybe? It improves my odds of getting the dungeon maybe, considering they wont kick me from it for just being a while representing and not helping really with the sense of that guild to PvE.

Then you and your friends like different things. If they only want to sit in PvP, and you want to do dungeons, then that is the reason for the multiple guild feature. Find a guild that want to do dungeons.

And again, if you are spamming your guild for a dungeon, then you didn’t research a good enough guild to do dungeons with. If you find yourself a good enough guild, then you don’t have to spam. They will even be asking you to do dungeons with them.

It’s called treat others as you wish to be treated. If you help them, they’ll help you. You can’t expect to find a guild just to do what you want to do and that’s it. You have to be willing to help them with what they need and they will help you in return.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

I’m on Tarnished Coast and have a guild that actually runs dungeons all the time. Literally farms them. Because I did research and found a guild to do just that when I need to do it. If I’m not representing them, they will toss me a whisper and ask if I can help with some dungeon runs. I gladly switch to represent and start doing dungeon runs. And whenever I want to do some dungeons, they are willing to help me out as well cause I help them out. I put in the effort to find my own means of getting dungeons, why can’t you? Why do you need a system to do it for you instead?

So everyone should join this guild then since they’re sooo helpful?

SpyderArachnid.5619:

But let’s go with your logic. Cause it seems perfectly okay. So Anet should implement a LFD feature so those who don’t want to do any effort can find groups easily right? It doesn’t affect anyone and it’s perfectly fine cause anyone can find people to do dungeons, they just have to put in a little effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay.

Did guildwars2 not market itself as a casual friendly game.
You do understand that not everyone is like you able to spend hours on end roleplaying on a video game and want to get things done quick and fast right?
Another alien concept?
And you’re finally getting the idea behind “Dont like it, dont use it”.
So what’s the harm in adding an LFD?
Because you like seeing your work not get trivialized because you did all that “research” into finding an awesome carebear guild that roleplays and does dungeons and that LFD will just ruin and marginalize the effort you put into this game, This is a game, if you hold achievements on it that dearly then… really? Im lost for words.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So I should complain to Anet to add free level 80’s to the gem store. It doesn’t affect anyone else right if I get a instant level 80 because anyone can get one too, they just have to put in the effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay sounds fair.

If you feel that strongly about getting to level 80 via cash system go ahead. No ones stopping you.
No ones stopping players from buying gems, converting them into gold either to buy weapons without having to spend hours farming for gold and getting said weapons or gear.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Perfectly fine logic there. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Let’s see what else we can add to the game with that logic.

Im glad your agree, and sarcasm only works against ludicrous statements.

And you expect that the whole community moves like that? I have to help others in order to get what i want? Why should I? That’s not how i want to spend my short time in the game i can play a day. I want sometimes to run dungeons, and in other moments i get bored of them and maybe dont go to one in 2 weeks, then i farm more pieces of my cosmetic armor. And that IS totally fine, because that’s how i want to play. I dont have to be by anyways attached to other people needs.

And this is not a selfish this statement. I paid for a game, and i want to play it when and how i want it. And if i want to run all my armor in 3 days and not enter a dungeon for two months, I should be able to do it with no problems at all.

Sirevanac.3178:

And you expect that the whole community moves like that? I have to help others in order to get what i want? Why should I? That’s not how i want to spend my short time in the game i can play a day. I want sometimes to run dungeons, and in other moments i get bored of them and maybe dont go to one in 2 weeks, then i farm more pieces of my cosmetic armor. And that IS totally fine, because that’s how i want to play. I dont have to be by anyways attached to other people needs.

And this is not a selfish this statement. I paid for a game, and i want to play it when and how i want it. And if i want to run all my armor in 3 days and not enter a dungeon for two months, I should be able to do it with no problems at all.

So let me get this straight. You want to play an MMO, without having to deal with other players. You only want what you want, and could care less about anyone else. You want people to do things for you, without you doing anything for them. Yeah, that’s purely selfish.

Sure you paid for this game and want to play it how and when you want. But you paid for an MMO, not a single player game. You kind of have to work with other players to get what you want. And that means helping them out as well in order for them to help you out. I’m sorry but people are not at your beckon call. You have to actually do things for others to get them to do stuff for you. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

And you expect that the whole community moves like that? I have to help others in order to get what i want? Why should I? That’s not how i want to spend my short time in the game i can play a day. I want sometimes to run dungeons, and in other moments i get bored of them and maybe dont go to one in 2 weeks, then i farm more pieces of my cosmetic armor. And that IS totally fine, because that’s how i want to play. I dont have to be by anyways attached to other people needs.

And this is not a selfish this statement. I paid for a game, and i want to play it when and how i want it. And if i want to run all my armor in 3 days and not enter a dungeon for two months, I should be able to do it with no problems at all.

So let me get this straight. You want to play an MMO, without having to deal with other players. You only want what you want, and could care less about anyone else. You want people to do things for you, without you doing anything for them. Yeah, that’s purely selfish.

Sure you paid for this game and want to play it how and when you want. But you paid for an MMO, not a single player game. You kind of have to work with other players to get what you want. And that means helping them out as well in order for them to help you out. I’m sorry but people are not at your beckon call. You have to actually do things for others to get them to do stuff for you. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

And having an LFD system, a system which makes players group together faster, somehow hinders player cooperation.
Logic?

If anything you’re the selfish one, because you sound like you want everyone to go through the work you’ve done to enjoy the game the way YOU enjoy it.

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

And you expect that the whole community moves like that? I have to help others in order to get what i want? Why should I? That’s not how i want to spend my short time in the game i can play a day. I want sometimes to run dungeons, and in other moments i get bored of them and maybe dont go to one in 2 weeks, then i farm more pieces of my cosmetic armor. And that IS totally fine, because that’s how i want to play. I dont have to be by anyways attached to other people needs.

And this is not a selfish this statement. I paid for a game, and i want to play it when and how i want it. And if i want to run all my armor in 3 days and not enter a dungeon for two months, I should be able to do it with no problems at all.

So let me get this straight. You want to play an MMO, without having to deal with other players. You only want what you want, and could care less about anyone else. You want people to do things for you, without you doing anything for them. Yeah, that’s purely selfish.

Sure you paid for this game and want to play it how and when you want. But you paid for an MMO, not a single player game. You kind of have to work with other players to get what you want. And that means helping them out as well in order for them to help you out. I’m sorry but people are not at your beckon call. You have to actually do things for others to get them to do stuff for you. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

And having an LFD system, a system which makes players group together faster, somehow hinders player cooperation.
Logic?

If anything you’re the selfish one, because you sound like you want everyone to go through the work you’ve done to enjoy the game the way YOU enjoy it.

I’m sorry for being selfish for using the features that are already available to me to find people to do dungeons with. How selfish of me to think that anyone else should be able to use these same features to find themselves a dungeon. I should be more sympathetic to the people who want a LFD feature to do all the work for them cause they are lazy and can’t take the time or effort to find groups themselves like I did.

Yeah, I’m selfish for being resourceful with the features provided to me and assuming that anyone else can do it as well. I keep forgetting that others want things done for them without any effort on their part.

again, Im glad you can admit your flaws.
Like I said in the post you’re hesitant to reply to in which I explained to you paragraph by paragraph, sarcasm only works against ludicrous statements.

You would think that considering ANet have casualised and trivialised nearly every element of the game that they would have put a looking for group feature in really.This game is built on ease and this feature won’t do any damage as most people don’t communicate with each other anyway as most the time you don’t need to.

Yeah I was going to wait for the quote thing to start working again and my page to stop turning blank every time I visit this thread, but oh well. My mistake for not responding as there was really nothing new to add to that post. But I’ll go ahead and respond if it’ll make ya feel better.

So everyone should join this guild then since they’re sooo helpful?

If you play on Tarnished Coast and are looking for a dungeon farming guild, by all means go ahead and join. Toss me a whisper in game and we’ll help you out as long as you are willing to do the same in return. It’s not a charity guild. You have to be willing to help others if you expect help in return.

Did guildwars2 not market itself as a casual friendly game.
You do understand that not everyone is like you able to spend hours on end roleplaying on a video game and want to get things done quick and fast right?
Another alien concept?
And you’re finally getting the idea behind “Dont like it, dont use it”.
So what’s the harm in adding an LFD?
Because you like seeing your work not get trivialized because you did all that “research” into finding an awesome carebear guild that roleplays and does dungeons and that LFD will just ruin and marginalize the effort you put into this game, This is a game, if you hold achievements on it that dearly then… really? Im lost for words.

First off, don’t assume you know me. I didn’t spend hours roleplaying to find a guild. That doesn’t even make sense. Again, it’s not hard nor time consuming to find a decent guild. You just have to put in a little effort and find one. No one says it will take hours upon hours to find a guild. If you’re smart and intelligent (which I’m going to assume you are), it should only take you a few minutes to find a proper guild that will do things that you want to do. And if you have friends, that’ll make the search much more easier.

And this has nothing to do with ruining my own personal effort. It’s called why implement a feature when there is already features in the game that you can access to do the same thing? All LFD does is make it easier without any effort on your part. Have people really become that spoiled off LFD in other games that when a game doesn’t have that feature, they can’t handle putting in a little effort of their own to find a group? So instead, they come complain on the forums.

Edit: And NOW the quote option and page starts working again. Figures. lol

SpyderArachnid.5619:

If you play on Tarnished Coast and are looking for a dungeon farming guild, by all means go ahead and join. Toss me a whisper in game and we’ll help you out as long as you are willing to do the same in return. It’s not a charity guild. You have to be willing to help others if you expect help in return.

I have and I left because of this exact reason, my way or the highway.
You are arguing for an ultimatum.
I’m bringing up a choice.

I left TC for Jade Quarry, a well balanced, PVP PVE Dugeon server where I have no real difficulty pugging unless its off american peak hours.

This is something I care about for my fellow players who want to do dungeons but have a hard time finding a group because they don’t have the time to do what you do, find spend time to find a guild that does dungeons or have 4 other players on a whim ready to do the dungeon you want to do.

And when they implement LFD system, if anything its only going to benefit me during off american peak hours. Whats the harm?

Why do you come here complaining about how people are being lazy when this is a genuine issue on certain servers, telling them they should come to my server? guess what my server is full.

Back when server transfer didnt have a cooldown sure maybe but then again why would they HAVE to switch servers just to find people to dungeon with?

Maybe they have real life friends who are on that server and like its low population but dont play as much as that one person.

Why would giving players the Dungeon Finder system so bad, all I’ve heard you say is, people need to put in the effort as if its their fault for not trying hard enough.

First off, don’t assume you know me. I didn’t spend hours roleplaying to find a guild. That doesn’t even make sense. Again, it’s not hard nor time consuming to find a decent guild. You just have to put in a little effort and find one. No one says it will take hours upon hours to find a guild. If you’re smart and intelligent (which I’m going to assume you are), it should only take you a few minutes to find a proper guild that will do things that you want to do. And if you have friends, that’ll make the search much more easier.

And this has nothing to do with ruining my own personal effort. It’s called why implement a feature when there is already features in the game that you can access to do the same thing? All LFD does is make it easier without any effort on your part. Have people really become that spoiled off LFD in other games that when a game doesn’t have that feature, they can’t handle putting in a little effort of their own to find a group? So instead, they come complain on the forums.

Edit: And NOW the quote option and page starts working again. Figures. lol

Your server does not mirror every other server, you do understand this right?

And as far as your “effort” argument goes read above paragraph.

And really have you tried the LFG system they have right, really tried it.
The one that puts a blue person next to your name with a magnifying glass without letting people know what it is you’re specifically LFGing for?

Thats the Pinnacle of the LFG system we have and this is how you want it to remain?

Im sorry but thats a JOKE system.
Only thing its great for is zerging DEs and WVWVW where theres one clear objective, thats what the current LFG tool is for.

Complain, really?
So now you’re the webmaster and you decide which is feedback and which is complain?

Now why are you against a feature that would make it easier for people to PUG and find other people they will party with in the future for more dungeon runs and hell maybe even get together and form a dungeon guild.

Its how I met my guild, through a pug.

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

If you play on Tarnished Coast and are looking for a dungeon farming guild, by all means go ahead and join. Toss me a whisper in game and we’ll help you out as long as you are willing to do the same in return. It’s not a charity guild. You have to be willing to help others if you expect help in return.

I have and I left because of this exact reason, my way or the highway.
You are arguing for an ultimatum.
I’m bringing up a choice.

I left TC for Jade Quarry, a well balanced, PVP PVE Dugeon server where I have no real difficulty pugging unless its off american peak hours.

This is something I care about for my fellow players who want to do dungeons but have a hard time finding a group because they don’t have the time to do what you do, find spend time to find a guild that does dungeons or have 4 other players on a whim ready to do the dungeon you want to do.

And when they implement LFD system, if anything its only going to benefit me during off american peak hours. Whats the harm?

Why do you come here complaining about how people are being lazy when this is a genuine issue on certain servers, telling them they should come to my server? guess what my server is full.

Back when server transfer didnt have a cooldown sure maybe but then again why would they HAVE to switch servers just to find people to dungeon with?

Maybe they have real life friends who are on that server and like its low population but dont play as much as that one person.

Why would giving players the Dungeon Finder system so bad, all I’ve heard you say is, people need to put in the effort as if its their fault for not trying hard enough.

First off, don’t assume you know me. I didn’t spend hours roleplaying to find a guild. That doesn’t even make sense. Again, it’s not hard nor time consuming to find a decent guild. You just have to put in a little effort and find one. No one says it will take hours upon hours to find a guild. If you’re smart and intelligent (which I’m going to assume you are), it should only take you a few minutes to find a proper guild that will do things that you want to do. And if you have friends, that’ll make the search much more easier.

And this has nothing to do with ruining my own personal effort. It’s called why implement a feature when there is already features in the game that you can access to do the same thing? All LFD does is make it easier without any effort on your part. Have people really become that spoiled off LFD in other games that when a game doesn’t have that feature, they can’t handle putting in a little effort of their own to find a group? So instead, they come complain on the forums.

Edit: And NOW the quote option and page starts working again. Figures. lol

Your server does not mirror every other server, you do understand this right?

And as far as your “effort” argument goes read above paragraph.

And really have you tried the LFG system they have right, really tried it.
The one that puts a blue person next to your name with a magnifying glass without letting people know what it is your specifically LFGing for?

Thats the Pinnacle of the LFG system we have and this is how you want it to remain?

Im sorry but thats a JOKE system.
Only thing its great for is zerging DEs and WVWVW where theres one clear objective, thats what the current LFG tool is for.

Complain, really?
So now you’re the webmaster and you decide which is feedback and which is complain?

Now why are you against a feature that would make it easier for people to PUG and find other people they will party with in the future for more dungeon runs and hell maybe even get together and form a dungeon guild.

Its how I met my guild, through a pug.

So when was helping others so others would help you such a bad thing? Sorry maybe my manners and respect are too old for this generation, but when I want help, I help others in return. I believe in treat others as you want to be treated. I didn’t realize that was such a bad thing these days.

And I never had to use the LFG system here. Because as I said, I found a guild to do all that stuff with. Why rely on just the LFG system to find a group when there is other options available? Just cause you don’t like one feature, doesn’t mean that is the only choice and you can’t search out other options.

So you need a LFD tool to find other players to do dungeons with and find a guild, instead of doing that ahead of time? Why does a LFD feature need to do that for you when you can yourself make friends and find a guild? Not a really a good point there when you can already do this normally without a LFD feature.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So when was helping others so others would help you such a bad thing? Sorry maybe my manners and respect are too old for this generation, but when I want help, I help others in return. I believe in treat others as you want to be treated. I didn’t realize that was such a bad thing these days.

Thats what happens when you PUG, its not pure altruistic helping but its part of the theme of cooperation, everyone helps each other to reach a common shared goal.

And if a system allows for people to do this faster, I say bring it on.

And I never had to use the LFG system here. Because as I said, I found a guild to do all that stuff with. Why rely on just the LFG system to find a group when there is other options available? Just cause you don’t like one feature, doesn’t mean that is the only choice and you can’t search out other options.

THANK YOU, thank you for admitting you don’t know what these people are going through.

So you need a LFD tool to find other players to do dungeons with and find a guild, instead of doing that ahead of time? Why does a LFD feature need to do that for you when you can yourself make friends and find a guild? Not a really a good point there when you can already do this normally without a LFD feature.

Oh you mean join those people who spam GUILD LOOKING FOR MORE MEMBERS with their outrageous claims about why you should join their guild?

Yeah sorry no thanks, I dont have the time to go through a hundred of those guilds to find out that people there dont do dungeons or anything together.

Call me an old fashioned player, but when I dungeon with people Id like to know they know how to play their class and dungeoneering in a pug is a good way to see what a player brings to the table before deciding on letting them join the guild.

Im sure there are people who feel this way too, from PVP guilds who want to see how well you handle yourself in WvWvW by grouping up with you and seeing your fighting prowess first hand, to Dungeon guilds who test you out before they invite you and this selection isn’t just one direction, this is also where you see what the people from said guild is like before you join them. This is also research.

And what works for you does not work for another player.
Stop using yourself as a measure of another player.

Some players just don’t have the time to do the research that you and I do or are stuck in low population servers or in servers that hardly dungeons and have a reason to not switch servers.

A Dungeon finder system isn’t going to ruin your gaming experience since as you said, you don’t LFG anymore you do it with your guild. You wont even have to touch it and youve still not answered the question.

“Why is giving players a Dungeon Finder/LFD system a bad thing?”