Does someone else think this is silly?
In theory, when going to Lion’s Arch we would have to pay the waypoint fee. In practice, travelling to Lion’s Arch is free, as you can just teleport from anywhere in the world to the Mists (PvP) or to WvW and enter the Asura gate there to reach LA. This means we have free access to one of the outposts with a bank, TP access, crafting station, trainers and etc.
This, however, has a lot of issues:
• Having to pay the fee to Lion’s Arch when using the makitten illy when we can just teleport there for free.
• Entering the Mists or WvW to go to Lion’s Arch doesn’t really help sPvP or WvW, nor does the added loading screen help players.
• Free travelling to Lion’s Arch and no other city means everyone goes to LA and no one uses the features in the other main cities.
It’s simply bad design. We should be able to at least teleport to a character’s home city for free.
la is the main city and useing this you can goto your home free
your argument is invalid this feature is fine
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
la is the main city and useing this you can goto your home free
your argument is invalid this feature is fine
There is no point in facing a third loading screen just to go to the home city access the same services available in LA… This feature as it is makes the other cities irrelevant.
I’ve been doing this since launch because once you hit 80 waypointing across the map can get pricey. Especially if you are jumping from end to end for events or have multiple characters.
I’ll go to mists → LA → Capital in region I am going to → WP to where in the region I need to go.
I load pretty fast. 3-5 seconds. So the screens don’t bother me more than the spending X silver to go help a guild mate with a story, X more to get to an Orr temple, X more to do Tequatl, X more for daily zone, X more to get to LA for NPCs. It may not seem like much but it adds up. Unless its substantial jaunt, I don’t WP within zones either; I equip a movement signet and hoof it (faster than a centaur).
Guild waypoint buffs are nice. Also, vote for Kiel!
As a side note, does anyone live anywhere with speed passes for toll roads? That would be a nice account item to have next to infinite harvesting tools and salvage kits. For 25s or so every month you can WP all you want at no charge. Would be a nice thing for people have on their mains that see the most WPs and pay the most in tolls.
I only see advantages to free travel to all the main city, and can’t see any reasons to be against it.
Every cheapskate just goes through WvW to avoid the charges anyway, meanwhile I’m feeling like a sucker for paying 1.2-3s just to avoid the extra loading screens.
Either allow free ports to home cities/LA or make it cost money to get into WvW (unlikely.)
So you want free travel to LA to save you one loading screen. I don’t think it’s going to happen.
I’ll be honest, with crafting stations, bank, blt, merchants and armor repair all super conviently located in each borderlands, I just hop there if I’m out exploring and fill my space or want to get some new gear, pick up some food from my bank etc. Then I can just log out log back in and I’m right where I left off and can finish the zone I was in or whatever. All without costing me anything.
When I want to tp across the map for something if I have time I’ll do the mists to LA to the nearest home city and go from there. Honestly one loading screen doesn’t make much of a difference to m.
Free travel to home city would decrease server load and it would make cities other than LA more lively.
@SuLor, I don’t know about your server, but on my server, borderlands are full quite often.
• Having to pay the fee to Lion’s Arch when using the makitten illy when we can just teleport there for free.
You can’t teleport there for free. When you use the Mists and WvW to do that, you are actually abusing the Mists and WvW features. They are placed there for convenience of Mists and WvW players, not to give you free teleports.
While there’s nothing wrong about doing that, it’s not an excuse to demand even more stuff you are not entitled to.
The portal fees are working as intended and should not be changed.
Free travel to either LA or my home city would be welcomed.
I’ve been extra lazy recently and can’t be bothered to use the mysts > LA work around. I just fork out the extra silver and WP there.
While i don’t expect anet will take steps to fix this, a vote for Kiel will lessen the burden for lazy people like myself. #UnsolicitedKielPropoganda
Either Mists and WvW shouldn’t have a portal to LA (instead, they would teleport you to your last location), or warping to LA and other cities should be free. As it is now, it’s free as long as you’re willing to go through a lot of loading times, which in my opinion, is not good design.
Also, while in a town, all other towns should be free of charge. You can already go from town to town with asura portals, so this would save you unnecessary loading times. The alternative is to have players pay for asura portals as much as they do with warp points.
@ASaturnus True for me during peak hours, I tend to play a lot during non peak hours though so it’s not been an issue much.
thanks man, i use this way all the time
Hope it will be free to back to homeland
Everyone is well aware of the method to get to LA for free via the mists, and from LA to every major city for free.
Using this method does take extra time, but it also clogs up WvW and PvP servers unneccessarily.
Allowing all city WPs to become free will benefit all. It will help alleviate a little server load from people using the mists to travel to cities. It might actually encourage people to use other cities more often.
Not sure why they would be against this. At least have LA free, but I would say all cities. Keep people like me from clogging up WvW queues and adding server stress.
Allowing all city WPs to become free will benefit all. It will help alleviate a little server load from people using the mists to travel to cities.
The damage to the economy will probably outweigh any server load issues.
Just pay the wp cost like you are supposed to.
The damage to the economy will probably outweigh any server load issues.
Just pay the wp cost like you are supposed to.
Your argument is wrong, in that we already don’t pay the wp cost. Claiming not paying it would break the economy means saying the economy is already broken. Ergo, it’s worthless.
By now, it’s only a matter of reducing server load and giving us one less loading screen. Not to mention have less people in the WvW maps who don’t want to do any WvWing.
Allowing all city WPs to become free will benefit all. It will help alleviate a little server load from people using the mists to travel to cities.
The damage to the economy will probably outweigh any server load issues.
Just pay the wp cost like you are supposed to.
Then, they should sell free wps as an item which you can buy for 100g. I would pay 100g or more if I know I can travel a place without pay nevermore.
My computer needs 30s to load, so when I go to pvp and after to lion arch it needs one minut to load and I don´t like that.
Some people could say that it is better pay 4 silver always than 100g one time, but if you play a lot in one year you could have spent more than that.
The damage to the economy will probably outweigh any server load issues.
Just pay the wp cost like you are supposed to.
Your argument is wrong, in that we already don’t pay the wp cost. Claiming not paying it would break the economy means saying the economy is already broken. Ergo, it’s worthless.
By now, it’s only a matter of reducing server load and giving us one less loading screen. Not to mention have less people in the WvW maps who don’t want to do any WvWing.
SOME of the players are not paying it. The rest are paying like they are supposed to (including myself), and the gold is sunk like it’s supposed to.
It’s not just a matter of reducing server load.
Allowing all city WPs to become free will benefit all. It will help alleviate a little server load from people using the mists to travel to cities.
The damage to the economy will probably outweigh any server load issues.
Just pay the wp cost like you are supposed to.
Then, they should sell free wps as an item which you can buy for 100g. I would pay 100g or more if I know I can travel a place without pay nevermore.
My computer needs 30s to load, so when I go to pvp and after to lion arch it needs one minut to load and I don´t like that.
Some people could say that it is better pay 4 silver always than 100g one time, but if you play a lot in one year you could have spent more than that.
Post it in the Waypoint cost eliminator topic.
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Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Again, you get the convenience factor by teleporting directly to LA, instead of abusing a feature that has an entirely different purpose.
Waypoint fees are like nothing, stop complaining.
Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Again, you get the convenience factor by teleporting directly to LA, instead of abusing a feature that has an entirely different purpose.
Gotcha. Your argument is that we are exploiters for using the mists to travel to LA.
I’ve been doing this since launch because once you hit 80 waypointing across the map can get pricey. Especially if you are jumping from end to end for events or have multiple characters.
I’ll go to mists -> LA -> Capital in region I am going to -> WP to where in the region I need to go.
I load pretty fast. 3-5 seconds. So the screens don’t bother me more than the spending X silver to go help a guild mate with a story, X more to get to an Orr temple, X more to do Tequatl, X more for daily zone, X more to get to LA for NPCs. It may not seem like much but it adds up. Unless its substantial jaunt, I don’t WP within zones either; I equip a movement signet and hoof it (faster than a centaur).
Guild waypoint buffs are nice. Also, vote for Kiel!
As a side note, does anyone live anywhere with speed passes for toll roads? That would be a nice account item to have next to infinite harvesting tools and salvage kits. For 25s or so every month you can WP all you want at no charge. Would be a nice thing for people have on their mains that see the most WPs and pay the most in tolls.
What is your system spec, you can load LA in 3 to 5 seconds? like in highly populated server?
Having a solid state drive really helps with the load screen times.
Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Again, you get the convenience factor by teleporting directly to LA, instead of abusing a feature that has an entirely different purpose.
Gotcha. Your argument is that we are exploiters for using the mists to travel to LA.
My argument is that you are demanding free stuff because you are already going around the game mechanics…
Yes, you are exploiters.
Watch what you wish for, they may make it so you can’t get to pvp wvw without being in a city…
Free LA Port is Easy… Port to PvP Mists, or to WvW walk through big Purple gate. Boom you’re in LA for free.
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
I like this idea simply because I think it could populate the more desolate home cities just a bit more than they are now. I Love the main cities way more than Lions arch, especially Divinities reach, they put so much love, thought, care and detail into that city, I wish I had more reasons to go back there.
Free LA Port is Easy… Port to PvP Mists, or to WvW walk through big Purple gate. Boom you’re in LA for free.
I think the point is, if it’s this easy and everybody does it anyway, why not just make the port to LA (or any city) free to begin with?
Having this step in between is a waste of player time and server resources.
Anyone else see the irony in AntiGw posts in relation to their name?
SOME of the players are not paying it. The rest are paying like they are supposed to
It’s rather common knowledge that you can go to Lion’s Arch for free. I wouldn’t be surprised if most players actually know about this, and if the few who don’t use it aren’t avoiding it less because of ignorance and more because of other reasons (you know the saying, “a fool and his money…”).
Since it is a topic to stir up some discussions weither or not LA (or all major city) waypoints should be free, it is interesting so see different opinions or else there wouldn’t a lot of things to discuss.
And for now the only reason to be against it is : money sink
But since we are only asking for free waypoints to major city, it is totally reasonable for logical reasons :
- Still plenty of waypoints to sink your money
- Unless you remove the feature of the portal to LA in the mist, LA is going to stay overpopulated and the other major city underpopulated.
Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Again, you get the convenience factor by teleporting directly to LA, instead of abusing a feature that has an entirely different purpose.
Gotcha. Your argument is that we are exploiters for using the mists to travel to LA.
My argument is that you are demanding free stuff because you are already going around the game mechanics…
Yes, you are exploiters.
You must have poor reading comprehension. I have not demanded anything, yet alone free stuff.
If players can already bypass the WP costs associated with travelling to LA, it would reduce server stress a little and be more convenient for players if they just removed the cost to WP to LA. Additionally, removing the cost for every major city also has it’s benefit.
I’m not demanding they do anything. Simply a suggestion on how they could possibly utilize their own server resources better. The trip to LA and any major city isn’t going to cost me a dime either way.
Seems the real solution to this issue is everyone should just join us in freely going to LA. LA is the game’s hub, it being free is a good thing.
I would suggest adding a fee to all portals (including from the WvW and PvP Mysts) that lead to Lion’s Arch, provided the player has not been in the Mysts for less than 3 minutes.
This would stop the free teleport abuse, and not inconvenience ‘genuine’ Mysts players.
Waypoint fees to all the capital cities should be waved, or at least drastically reduced. That would help spread out the population, and give a little more life to the other cities. Its no surprised when LA has overflows, while Rata Sum has a population of like 10 players total.
Waypoint fees to all the capital cities should be waved, or at least drastically reduced. That would help spread out the population, and give a little more life to the other cities. Its no surprised when LA has overflows, while Rata Sum has a population of like 10 players total.
Above any and all other concerns on this topic, I think ^^^ nails it dead on. All capital cities free… regular waypoint fees while in the bounds of any given zone. The way it is now… it’s too restrictive.
Game economies are always subject to correction(s), and frankly this is a needed correction.
Not sure how it would damage the economy when I already don’t pay for WPs to get to LA or any other major city. o.O
Besides, you severely over estimate the importance of city WPs as a gold sink source to the economy.
The convenience factor for the player not having to do multiple loads is a plus. The benefit of less server load should be reason enough.
Again, you get the convenience factor by teleporting directly to LA, instead of abusing a feature that has an entirely different purpose.
Gotcha. Your argument is that we are exploiters for using the mists to travel to LA.
My argument is that you are demanding free stuff because you are already going around the game mechanics…
Yes, you are exploiters.
Funny how the devs know full and well about this “exploit”, and yet no one gets banned. Oh, I know……..working as intended.
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
Agreed. We can already go to LA for free, and by extension any of the home cities with just a few extra seconds by using the free way point to the portal area.
So I think they should have a warp to LA button and a warp to hometown button. That or a menu similar to picking your wvw map, but with the major cities instead.
As it is right now, the hometowns aren’t active, so this would help them gain some popularity.
I would suggest adding a fee to all portals (including from the WvW and PvP Mysts) that lead to Lion’s Arch, provided the player has not been in the Mysts for less than 3 minutes.
This would stop the free teleport abuse, and not inconvenience ‘genuine’ Mysts players.
You don’t think ‘genuine’ WvW players would be inconvenienced if they couldn’t get into WvW because it was full.. of people waiting out their 3 minute timer?
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
Agreed. We can already go to LA for free, and by extension any of the home cities with just a few extra seconds by using the free way point to the portal area.
So I think they should have a warp to LA button and a warp to hometown button.
Actually, I think it would be better to have a warp to hometown but not a warp to LA. That would spread people out into the currently quite empty hometowns (to craft, bank, etc.), and you would take the extra step into LA if you wanted e.g. the Forge.
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I would suggest adding a fee to all portals (including from the WvW and PvP Mysts) that lead to Lion’s Arch, provided the player has not been in the Mysts for less than 3 minutes.
This would stop the free teleport abuse, and not inconvenience ‘genuine’ Mysts players.
You don’t think ‘genuine’ WvW players would be inconvenienced if they couldn’t get into WvW because it was full.. of people waiting out their 3 minute timer?
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
Agreed. We can already go to LA for free, and by extension any of the home cities with just a few extra seconds by using the free way point to the portal area.
So I think they should have a warp to LA button and a warp to hometown button.
Actually, I think it would be better to have a warp to hometown but not a warp to LA. That would spread people out into the currently quite empty hometowns (to craft, bank, etc.), and you would take the extra step into LA if you wanted e.g. the Forge.
i actually agree with this….
current system is fine as it is.
if u want free travel, then u will lose some time on loading screens.
if u want fast travel, then you will spend some coins and less time on loading screens.
I would suggest adding a fee to all portals (including from the WvW and PvP Mysts) that lead to Lion’s Arch, provided the player has not been in the Mysts for less than 3 minutes.
This would stop the free teleport abuse, and not inconvenience ‘genuine’ Mysts players.
You don’t think ‘genuine’ WvW players would be inconvenienced if they couldn’t get into WvW because it was full.. of people waiting out their 3 minute timer?
Make it six minutes then. There will be a point where the ‘exploiters’ will not be willing to wait out that timer.
Travel fee by its self is a poor poor very poor design choice, especially for an mmo.
Make it six minutes then. There will be a point where the ‘exploiters’ will not be willing to wait out that timer.
That would be closer to an hour. They aren’t going to do anything like this because it will kitten off legit players both by clogging up the system with people waiting it out, and by forcing people who really wanted to play WvWvW to pay if they have to leave early.
It may be that a specific player or players have a problem with this system, but Anet itself doesn’t care. It works just fine as is.
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
This. I’m only doing to Lion’s Arch because I go there for free. It would be nice to give more racial features.
If money sink is a problem, Anet can always make all town wps free and compensate by increasing the warp fee of explorable areas. There’s a lot of benefits by making towns free to go, like removing unnecessary loading times and adding more incentive to visit the racial towns.
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
This might be potentially a reason enough for people to visit more often their home towns instead of just heading for LA. Its really annoying to see how home cities can be empty at times.
Good kittening job, yet another nerf incoming.
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