Guild Wars 2

I just started playing ~3 1/2 weeks ago. I’m happy to say I finally hit 80 and am excited to play with the big boys, but unfortunately the ‘big boys’ aren’t playing too fairly when it comes to dungeons and even world events. I’m not the type to ask a lot of questions because google is available, but every so often I will ask a question about current events happening or ask what I need to do in a dungeon because there’s really no time before everyone goes rambo or leaving the new guy (me) behind not knowing what to do leading to more questions causing frustration amongst the group members, following my toon getting removed from party.

Now, I’ve met good players in game that are just really nice who don’t need their kitten stroked every 5 minutes, but this ‘end game" content seems to have a following of superiority complex type players who don’t leave any patience. It’s just go go go!
I fully understand people power through runs, but there are new players with great potential out there, who with a few minutes out of an experienced players day, could excel and be more than what a “new guy” stands for in most players minds.

Out of frustration I came to the forums because I don’t want to feel like I’m a disposable player and I’m sure many other people feel the same. I don’t want to think I need to apologize for starting the game late and that there’s no hope in my playing catch up with the long time group of players because thats not enticing enough to continue playing.
Its a great game and I had so much fun leveling and meeting new people, that I want to continue playing and supporting GW2 and I can only hope that anyone reading my post (heartfelt rant) will start taking the time out of their gaming and help a new player when the time comes.

Join Dungeon Mentors! We’re very patient and take time to explain mechanics. You’ll come out knowing more than most pugs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Mentors/first

When I play I stop to explain. Unfortunatly, you’re encountering a symptom of the game’s development. Since everything has been locked behind time gating or in the gem shop, the only thing of value is getting more gold for your time. Taking time to explain anything is seen as a “waste” of time by some, and they’re rude as kitten about it.

I will say, not everyone is like that, and finding a worthwhile guild helps. Add the friendly folks to your friend list, and ask them. Ignore the wastes of skin who won’t explain what’s going on and “gogogogogo!” about everything.

Welcome to Tyria, and happy gaming!

laharl.8435:

Join Dungeon Mentors! We’re very patient and take time to explain mechanics. You’ll come out knowing more than most pugs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Mentors/first

This (sort of I don’t actually know most of these guilds).
Joining a good guild can really turn things around.

Thanks guys, and I’ll check out the dungeon mentors. =)

Make a LFG posting about doing casual runs.

You are joining players who wish to speed run or complete content.

That doesn’t mean they are bad people. Different strokes for different folks.

A former guildmate of mine once told me in one of the arah paths that “trash mobs don’t need explaining” …she was referring to deadeyes and other silver mobs that did in fact need explaining. Ever since then, I make sure that anyone on my team who has never done the event/fractal/dungeon/etc. gets a good explanation. No one deserves to be left in the dark about what’s going on.

PM me in game if you ever need help with something.

Vol.7601:

That doesn’t mean they are bad people.

I strongly disagree. It’s perfectly fine to play the game the way you want to. It’s another thing altogether to be rude, callous and mean-spirited to other players if they don’t share your world view.

The word “bad” doesn’t even come close to the correct adjective to describe these folks.

CureForLiving.5360:

laharl.8435:

Join Dungeon Mentors! We’re very patient and take time to explain mechanics. You’ll come out knowing more than most pugs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Mentors/first

This (sort of I don’t actually know most of these guilds).
Joining a good guild can really turn things around.

It’s just a non rep guild of dungeon forum regulars who are willing to help new people or even experienced people. We have mentors from [Dnt] [rT] [LOD] [IX], all high end speed running guilds whom are very knowledgeable on mechanics, we have non-speed runners too. But we will all take the time to make sure the student understands each encounter.

Sir Kaboomski.1508:

When I post a LFG for a dungeon, I always specifically put “No elitist kitten bags.” at the end. Group usually fills pretty fast lol.

I will definitely have to be on the lookout for these.

I feel for you. I don’t get the elitist attitude either. Just spending a few minutes to teach a new player how to run a dungeon will significantly increase the chances of beating that dungeon. It’ll also mean that’s one more person in the pug circuit that knows what they’re doing. One that can potentially teach others too, as soon as they get good at it.

Henri Blanche.8276:

Vol.7601:

That doesn’t mean they are bad people.

I strongly disagree. It’s perfectly fine to play the game the way you want to. It’s another thing altogether to be rude, callous and mean-spirited to other players if they don’t share your world view.

The word “bad” doesn’t even come close to the correct adjective to describe these folks.

If you join a party that is tailored for speed runs and you refuse to take part in that, then you deserve a kick for wasting everyone’s time and being selfish.

Vol.7601:

Henri Blanche.8276:

Vol.7601:

That doesn’t mean they are bad people.

I strongly disagree. It’s perfectly fine to play the game the way you want to. It’s another thing altogether to be rude, callous and mean-spirited to other players if they don’t share your world view.

The word “bad” doesn’t even come close to the correct adjective to describe these folks.

If you join a party that is tailored for speed runs and you refuse to take part in that, then you deserve a kick for wasting everyone’s time and being selfish.

The groups I’ve joined don’t specify all the time, which brought me here to the forums to have a discussion. Some players would ignore set message, but I don’t like wasting peoples time.

Sir Kaboomski.1508:

When I post a LFG for a dungeon, I always specifically put “No elitist kitten bags.” at the end. Group usually fills pretty fast lol.

What server do you play on?

I’m on JQ. Toons name is Délaina :d

Whilst it’s not a positive outlook, I’d never expect to receive explanation or patience in a pug… in any game. Sure it’s possible those things may happen, but it seems to be a rarity. That’s why I always try to find a guild in any game. It makes for nicer experiences on the whole.

Vol.7601:

Henri Blanche.8276:

Vol.7601:

That doesn’t mean they are bad people.

I strongly disagree. It’s perfectly fine to play the game the way you want to. It’s another thing altogether to be rude, callous and mean-spirited to other players if they don’t share your world view.

The word “bad” doesn’t even come close to the correct adjective to describe these folks.

If you join a party that is tailored for speed runs and you refuse to take part in that, then you deserve a kick for wasting everyone’s time and being selfish.

If you join a group that specifically advertised it was looking for uber players and/or speed runs that’s one thing. That’s not what the OP is talking about here.

Vol.7601:

If you join a party that is tailored for speed runs and you refuse to take part in that, then you deserve a kick for wasting everyone’s time and being selfish.

The issue here is that not all such parties are advertised as such. While it is true that there is nothing wrong with desiring to run with like minded individuals, such things should be clearly labeled. I don’t know how many times I have joined a story run where they desired 80s only, but didn’t say so in the listing. Where I joined an all zerker sc, that wasn’t labeled as such. All their descriptions said were ‘Story’ or ‘P2’ or whatever. It is not my fault they they did not specify, and they have no right to be kittens about it. Honestly, a simple ‘sorry, we’re actually looking to speed clear, blah blah’ goes soooo much further than ‘omfg uninstall you kitten . you arent zerk, ur such a kittening noob.’ A person is going to react much more positively to the former. The people that spout off the latter…well, I have some very vivd ‘should be’ options that would probably terrify a lot of people.

To the OP:
You are right, you should never ever have to apologize for not being here at launch. No one should treat you poorly because you haven’t been here every minute of every day, and unfortunately there are a lot intolerant rotten apples in this game. I don’t necessarily think any more so than any other game, but in certain instances (like dungeons) they do seem more prevalent.

Sangkharun.6492:

Vol.7601:

Henri Blanche.8276:

Vol.7601:

That doesn’t mean they are bad people.

I strongly disagree. It’s perfectly fine to play the game the way you want to. It’s another thing altogether to be rude, callous and mean-spirited to other players if they don’t share your world view.

The word “bad” doesn’t even come close to the correct adjective to describe these folks.

If you join a party that is tailored for speed runs and you refuse to take part in that, then you deserve a kick for wasting everyone’s time and being selfish.

The groups I’ve joined don’t specify all the time, which brought me here to the forums to have a discussion. Some players would ignore set message, but I don’t like wasting peoples time.

Fair, but I think the issue would then be on the player’s personality themselves, rather than a subset group of players who like to play a game a certain way.

I appreciate the replies everyone made and thank you for them! Ya’ll were helpful and maybe in a months time I’ll put it all together.

Online gamers, the gift that keeps on giving.

I once tried to teach a newb.

He was a signet warrior who kept dying on a trash run. I told him to switch skills and weapond for all encounters, running, bosses, or trash.

He told me that it wasn’t that important, he wasn’t trying to be a pro, we should just do the dungeon properly (when he joined my teaching group), and promptly ragequit after dying twice.

Many of us have learned that some people, or mindsets, simply don’t want to be told how to play because ANet already told them they could play how they want. The players who want to invest in themselves will find the proper avenues to do so if they’re truly invested. OP is on the right track; check out the dungeon forums, YouTube videos, gw2dungeons.com, Guru, a mentoring guild etc.

Best advice I can give is…

join a friendly guild that runs dungeons
research the dungeons before heading in via the wiki
create your own group with the LFG tool, advertising the truth of your situation
never join a speed clear or pro group in LFG

It would be much better if you could A: res in dungeons and B: play them solo.

Young Somalia.1706:

I once tried to teach a newb.

He was a signet warrior who kept dying on a trash run. I told him to switch skills and weapond for all encounters, running, bosses, or trash.

He told me that it wasn’t that important, he wasn’t trying to be a pro, we should just do the dungeon properly (when he joined my teaching group), and promptly ragequit after dying twice.

Many of us have learned that some people, or mindsets, simply don’t want to be told how to play because ANet already told them they could play how they want. The players who want to invest in themselves will find the proper avenues to do so if they’re truly invested. OP is on the right track; check out the dungeon forums, YouTube videos, gw2dungeons.com, Guru, a mentoring guild etc.

I agree with looking up strategies, but with every group a person joins there are people who handle mechanics differently which is why I ask for help and do in every group I join if set note doesn’t exclude my current skill sets, which is where I disagree with you.
You cannot help someone that doesn’t want help, so I don’t think anyone should be expected to help a player that doesn’t openly ask for it, but it also doesn’t mean the experienced can’t pinpoint a problem and give advice so the new guy doesn’t keep dying.
Meet a person halfway, but if they don’t make the same effort, then by all means, remove them from group to progress. I see no reason a person should expect to be carried whether they take the game seriously or not because this is an MMO and it takes a team to win and progress.