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Posted by: Zorric.5704

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Guild Wars 2 Community? Where did it go?
(This post was originally going to be a response to a thread that was merged or deleted since written but I felt like I should share it none the less.)

It has been over a year since release and more and more players are coming from other games. Those games have shaped their attitudes and ideas and when they came to GW2 they found the community wasn’t what they wanted or what they’re used to. So we have to shape those players to more of the idea of a cooperative and understanding community where ideas can be discussed and debated but respect still remains for all players.

First of all, we are not all the same. It’s fact. We are all different ages, educated differently, brought up differently, and grew up around different gaming communities and players. This difference is what can make a game community seem fantastic or seem utterly miserable. When Guild Wars 2 first announced, the players were excited and so was Arena Net. The community as a whole was “Let this succeed!” and give us the game we all want to play. We could see players as young as six playing the beta and players older than 70 waiting for release. All the generations of players could be found at the start of Guild Wars 2 and this was an exciting time!

When the game released, players began to form their guilds and their communities on their respected servers. Still, it was exciting to see what was forming and how players were willing to work together to achieve goals and complete the game. WvW was fresh and strategies were forming and players were stepping up to the plate to lead their server to victory. PvP was quick to start forming their own ideas on builds and work toward the highest rank! PvE was a blast because each map had so many players and they were so talkative and helpful and players wanted others to succeed! There were problems but we waited and we wanted a great game and we felt it was already there. We all worked with Arena Net filling out surveys and reporting bugs. The forums were full on inquiry on just about anything.

After a few months, Halloween and Wintersday were a blast for the community and the market. Players wanted to work together and teach each other the new stuff Arena Net had given us. Achievements were abundant and fun to achieve while the rewards were great and, to some, profitable. The introduction to the Living Story seemed genius when Arena Net released it and the Karka Event was huge and very rewarding! Some missed it and Arena Net asked us what we thought and surveyed us. We told them we loved it and the community went into Wintersday as strong as the game could make it. It was fun.

So where did that fun go you might ask? It changed. Players wanted more and more and other players came into the game with even more expectations whether from the hype or from other games they had played. WvW had become the focal point to a lot of server communities and their leadership was based around it. Failure to win that week became infighting and the leadership was blamed. The forums became more of a complain and gain than inquiries. PvP didn’t seem to go where the players wanted it, and others would say it went nowhere. PvE became more of where can we profit or where can we get our next achievement points? Events stopped being completed and World Bosses were allowed to go on rampages with two or three players calling out in map chat for help. Many of the maps emptied out or were filled with farmers of sorts. The Living Story became more fast paced and other players felt it was less desirable to have to come back over and over to play a story they did not or want to understand.

Arena Net seemed to have gone silent besides constant updates and Living Story updates. The surveys stopped and the players found new ways to complain. Communities turned on each other, players thought the game became a chore to do every day, and WvW became stale while becoming poisonous to those who wanted to experience that part of the game. Players have become less helpful or burnt out. Guilds filled up and cliques were formed inside of them. The better players became the tormentors and the newer players became the idealists. Do you remember Pink Day in LA last year? It was great on tons of servers but this year it just seemed there… somewhere.

Sadly, all games go through this phase. That’s right, PHASE! Guild Wars 1 had the same problem for those who played the beginning to the end. The game, however, succeeded and players loved it!

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So what can we do? First, let’s teach. Educating new or old players with the correct information always leads to better communities. When we all know something, we can agree more quickly or create a voice to have it changed for the better. Respect each other and don’t give power to those who are disrespectful to the game, other players, or YOU. Block, report, or ignore those players so we as a community can get the poison out. Debating or discussing are great ways to see what people want and we should do so respectfully.

Arena Net seems to have their focus on too many places. We, as players, thought the Living Story was great but now it seems disjointed against a lot of the game. We expected to have Dynamic Events change over time. Dynamic Events are what many thought was a great addition to the MMO world and Arena Net has sort of put them on the back burner. World Boss events are teaching players not to help each other. Reviving a downed or dead player is too risky so why bother? The game has changed. Why make something mediocre when it used to be great? Focus on something and get it done not just for us players but for the game we all want to play.

WvW has to change. The leadership of any server should not be based off one piece of the game. This has weakened many servers, especially those servers with very low populations. A strong community is formed by being more of “What does the game have to offer? What can we do to keep players having fun?” Simple leadership changes could make you community better overall. Commander titles can be bought but trust and good leadership must be earned. Competition should be a learning experience not a derogatory contest.

PvE is a place for guilds now. Guilds should promote helping their players new and old complete tasks on different maps. Much like the guild missions promote. PvE players must inject themselves into their servers leadership. No server should just have WvW leaders or PvE leaders but well rounded players willing to step up and lead events! Events can be anything from contests or supporting traditions such as Pink Day in LA. World Boss Trains are great for this too, so players can accomplish their goals from getting that certain weapon or making enough money to finish their crafting. PvE is players helping players.
PvP is stale. Different PvP modes and simpler maps may help ease the players’ objections. PvP should be fun and not just a place to get achievement points.
The forums should be an educational tool to all players. Inquiries should override complaints. Discussions should be more in depth and developers should feel more compelled to add their insight or provide missing information. Players should know that Arena Net does listen and are busy. Arena Net should know players love answers and are busy. Be respectful and be patient!

Overall, YOU have to change the community if you want it be something it is not. Players will be players but actions speak louder than words. Good communities have great leaders willing to take the punches while saying what needs to be said. Respect and cooperation go a long way.

Thanks to all the players that make this game wonderful and fun. I look forward to your opinions and discussion on this post. If you feel I’m wrong, biased, or haven’t provided enough information please tell me so but do so respectfully. Good luck and good hunting!

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Posted by: Galtrix.7369

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You can’t teach players to be different than they actually are. If they’re a jerk in another game, they’re going to be a jerk in GW2. Unfortunately, GW2 brings in a lot of jerks for some reason.

I also disagree with you when you said, “All games go through this phase”. I’ve played many fantastic mmorpg’s where the people that complained were the minority, and they were ignored entirely. In this game, the whiners and complainers are the majority… now why do you think that is? Maybe the gameplay really has gone south for the winter. I actually participate in some of the whining and complaining, which I have never done in any mmorpg I’ve ever played. I wanted to see this game succeed, but the gameplay is becoming increasingly stale and uninteresting. Players saw this and their attitudes toward the game shifted from good to bad. A person that plays a good game = happy. A person that plays a game they don’t like = unhappy. The community changed the same time the gameplay changed….. right around when ascended gear was added.

[~Galtrix~] [~Level 80 Elementalist~] [~GoM~]

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Posted by: Xae Isareth.1364

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^ I think your mistaking the playerbase and the forums.

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Jski.6180

^ I think your mistaking the playerbase and the forums.

Ya these forums are not that best places to even talk about the GW2 community. As for in game most of the non overflow zones are full of nice ppl. Now say wvw where there a lot of stress you can see the bad side of ppl when the fight is very close or when your side is losing badly.

Main : Jski Imaginary ELE (Necromancer)
Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
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Xae Isareth.1364

^ I think your mistaking the playerbase and the forums.

Ya these forums are not that best places to even talk about the GW2 community. As for in game most of the non overflow zones are full of nice ppl. Now say wvw where there a lot of stress you can see the bad side of ppl when the fight is very close or when your side is losing badly.

WvW is competitive, humans don’t like losing. That’s why it brings out the worst in people.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

^ I think your mistaking the playerbase and the forums.

Ya these forums are not that best places to even talk about the GW2 community. As for in game most of the non overflow zones are full of nice ppl. Now say wvw where there a lot of stress you can see the bad side of ppl when the fight is very close or when your side is losing badly.

WvW is competitive, humans don’t like losing. That’s why it brings out the worst in people.

True i know i get that way in wvw from time to time.

Main : Jski Imaginary ELE (Necromancer)
Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
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Posted by: Raine.1394

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Personally, I wouldn’t worry too much about the community. The focus of the forums should be the game. The community is actually one of the better ones I have experienced in gaming and seems to ebb and flow according to the perceived state of the game. I believe most of the feedback here is constructive and useful and the forums generally fulfill their intended purpose. Everything seems to be functioning normally.

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Posted by: ShinjoNaomi.1896

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^ I think your mistaking the playerbase and the forums.

Ya these forums are not that best places to even talk about the GW2 community. As for in game most of the non overflow zones are full of nice ppl. Now say wvw where there a lot of stress you can see the bad side of ppl when the fight is very close or when your side is losing badly.

WvW is competitive, humans don’t like losing. That’s why it brings out the worst in people.

Healthy competition is good, and should be encouraged.
Bad attitudes kill that very quickly, and unfortunately, there are those that seem to get off on being jacktards to other people while hiding behind their computer monitors.
Unfortunately, there is little that can be done about these angry little people… Short of game companies hiring full time ‘Referees’ to watch PvP areas. Which, I won’t hold my breath on ever happening.

“If half as many people were half as brave in real life as they were online…
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’