Guild Wars 2

Since start I’ve been reading many strange threads, sometimes I couldn’t believe my eyes. I should say that I know people are always whinig around mmo, usually not ingame, but via forum. But lately it’s just too much.

Everything that requires player’s attention multiple times is treadmill.
Everything that is not obtained without effort is grind.
Boss that requires tactic needs to be nerfed or removed from the game.
Dungeon that cannot be completed by first try is too hard and should be fixed to don’t frustrate players.
Party leader looking for certain class is elitist, egoist and should be banned for his behaviour.

Don’t you think it’s too much? Because this is what I see every day I visit this forum.

I don’t agree with the elitist thing, but the complaining is getting annoying.

THE DOCTOR.3510:

I don’t agree with the elitist thing, but the complaining is getting annoying.

You may not agree, but I could link you multiple threads where this was discussed a lot.

I also forgot to add players complaining about the need of grouping for dungeons but haven’t tried it yet.

welcome to internet forums! seriously though, forums are almost always full of complaints, because people who have a problem are much more likely to post on the forums then those who like it just the way it is.

Well, it has been like this forever, and not just for GW2, but for almost anything…

People who enjoy the game are playing the game, and not wasting time on forums. You can find people complaining about anything on the Internet, but you will hardly find people talking about the good stuff… because they don’t need to waste their time doing so.

Also, in this particular forum, you will see that it is always the same people complaining, and for a game with 3 million copies sold, the number of fanboys/haters will be obviously enormous…

Apolyon.6937:

People who enjoy the game are playing the game, and not wasting time on forums. You can find people complaining about anything on the Internet, but you will hardly find people talking about the good stuff… because they don’t need to waste their time doing so.

Pretty much on point.

I’ve kittened and moaned here a few times, for sure.

The biggest concern I see with the community nature at the moment is the elitist tendencies. That just seems to be a byproduct of endgame content, although it’s not like it’s everyone. I get a few jerks in a dungeon group about 1 out of 6 times. The rest are pleasant, and when the run gets rough, people work together to progress and generally seem to leave with positive impressions of one another.

The reddit thread linking to the WOW thread that someone linked on this forum was quite good.

If ANet could figure out a way to encourage a positive attitude for endgame content through gameplay mechanics (as they did in early game mechanics), that would be nice, but it’s hard to say what exactly that would be.

It’s all a pretty difficult juggling act at this point for them, I’m sure. As players, we can just do our best to be friendly and understanding in groups, instead of calling the rest of the group NOOBCAKES (while congratulating ourselves for being PRO).

Of course, some will do that, and some won’t.

So I’m a carebear – shoot me.

The Nature of the Guild Wars 2’s Community:

Spiky.8403:

Everything that requires player’s attention multiple times is treadmill.
Everything that is not obtained without effort is grind.

- Can you tell me how many times do I need to complete Fractals of the Mists dungeon to get Prototype Fractal Capacitor, the only exotic back item in the game? Once you’ve got the number, could you please think for yourself how much content repetition is acceptable before familiarity breeds contempt?

There is an exotic backpack at Orr temple merchant. And you are one of those people that never have enough and simply must complain. I got my fractal backpack by playing, guess what, I cannot see any difference, if you would give me 2 same characters, one with exotic backpack and othe one with ascended and dont let me look at numbers, I wouldnt have idea which one is it. Sorry I never understood you problem and prabably never will. Since you are obviously not “farmer,” I guess you wont be missing that 10 agony resistance.

Spiky.8403:

There is an exotic backpack at Orr temple merchant. And you are one of those people that never have enough and simply must complain. I got my fractal backpack by playing, guess what, I cannot see any difference, if you would give me 2 same characters, one with exotic backpack and othe one with ascended and dont let me look at numbers, I wouldnt have idea which one is it. Sorry I never understood you problem and prabably never will. Since you are obviously not “farmer,” I guess you wont be missing that 10 agony resistance.

- I will be missing the extra stats it gives. You could say that the stats increases are minimal and I agree. However, my point is that acquiring these items has very little to do with skill. Once you’ve completed all the fractals successfully, you’re good enough (skillwise) to get the item you’re after. There is no going around the fact that you’re going to repeat this dungeon for months to get a single item out of it.

I don’t know if this is meant to be a game for unemployed people living on welfare cheques who have 10 hours a day to grind dungeons for tokens. Perhaps I understand your attitude of having completed grueling task and now you don’t want anyone else to get the same goodies you have for less effort.

I feel insulted by developers of this game, who are making me waste time on pointless repetitive tasks.

Personally i believe that 90% of the complaining is from kids. As this game is not sub based, any tom dick and harry can play without needing to be old enough to hold a bank account. So personally I just think that most of the complainers are kids in there i want i want i want modes..

Personally when read alot of the threads here they are not constructed by mature adults. If they were they would be polite and providing constructive critisism instead of just moaning and adding in a tiny bit constructivness so the post doesent get deleted.

Now there are always exceptions to the rule. So, dont take this as gospel as the percentage may be a little lower than 90%

Zenith.6403:

- I will be missing the extra stats it gives. You could say that the stats increases are minimal and I agree. However, my point is that acquiring these items has very little to do with skill. Once you’ve completed all the fractals successfully, you’re good enough (skillwise) to get the item you’re after. There is no going around the fact that you’re going to repeat this dungeon for months to get a single item out of it.

I don’t know if this is meant to be a game for unemployed people living on welfare cheques who have 10 hours a day to grind dungeons for tokens. Perhaps I understand your attitude of having completed grueling task and now you don’t want anyone else to get the same goodies you have for less effort.

I feel insulted by developers of this game, who are making me waste time on pointless repetitive tasks.

Just take the advantage of playing game that has no gear check. There is absolutely no reason to rush for ascended backpiece, it took me 2 months to collect enough Fractal tokens to make one, I wasn’t in hurry and in the meantime I collected nice amount of money and other useful stuff.

I think it’s not really about that you would be missing few points to your attributes, people hate feeling when they are not at same level as others – in this case, having ascended gear. Even if it doesn’t make game breaking difference. Now when I think about it, in this game you have no inspect player option, no dps meter… there is no difference at.. just color is not orange but pink.

First things first.

This is a forum. People rarely come here to compliment the game. They come here with issues. And peoples opinions are different. You can’t think on the forum as one huge hive-mind.

There are no such thing as “complainers”, or “haters”. Putting people in “groups” like that, it’s something most people blindly do. It’s flat out ridicilous.
Again, opinions differ. Where some people see issues, others see great things. This is human nature. No one is here for the sole reason of spewing hate. (Unless you count the trolls in.)

i’ll just speak about the grinding part….

Its not an effort problem…..but the fact that instead of having lets say “new dungeons or fractals or pve areas or skins etc etc” i get skinless items with a number on them….

And another issue is that they are necessary to play (see AR) and that in order to get them you need NOT to play things you like but to do what anet wants you to do…..

Difference:
PvE areas are empty?

Make them more interesting….

Last patch instead said “just force players to go there…..it will be boring but they will need to be there everyday”.

>I’d just want them to do what they tell and make areas more interesting with new bosses new skins new events…..

Not with a daily list that tells me go grind mindless mobs and boring events

Tell me why i should sacrifice my time for tha rather than to play fractals? ( i like them despite some issues).

Same would be for a www player…..

This game is the ultimate Carebear Universe and a Casual Heaven so don’t expect anything better from its community (I’m not saying they’re rude or immature though). People are like “You shouldn’t have removed the ability to res during boss fights because that way it was easier for the player to get up and join the fight without having to wait for someone to res him and potentially die himself.” Just ponder on that logic for a moment… Just a moment and not a moment longer lest you should get sucked into their way of thinking!

Anet promised tactics, difficulty and what-not but instead they’re desperately holding on to the let’s-please-EVERYONE logic and this imo will be the downfall of many MMOs. Seriously, just download Tera it’s a way better game, aside from the fact one of its servers is full and has a huge queue. That game is C R U E L and hard and doesn’t cater one bit to Casual Kenny.

Hear, hear!
Game is great and A-net should do it as they see fit, and not trying to make a chinese dish outta a stake if you get my drift.

I get owned every time i read posts complaining about game being too grindy + no endgame cause max level was too fast to reach…Where do those people come from?

There should be threads about real issues, like making controls ingame far more actiony, so we are encouraged and easily introduced into running while in combat and using non targeting system, rather then wrestling with key bindings to get some result.

Mitlandir.8306:

This game is the ultimate Carebear Universe and a Casual Heaven so don’t expect anything better from its community (I’m not saying they’re rude or immature though). People are like “You shouldn’t have removed the ability to res during boss fights because that way it was easier for the player to get up and join the fight without having to wait for someone to res him and potentially die himself.” Just ponder on that logic for a moment… Just a moment and not a moment longer lest you should get sucked into their way of thinking!

Anet promised tactics, difficulty and what-not but instead they’re desperately holding on to the let’s-please-EVERYONE logic and this imo will be the downfall of many MMOs. Seriously, just download Tera it’s a way better game, aside from the fact one of its servers is full and has a huge queue. That game is C R U E L and hard and doesn’t cater one bit to Casual Kenny.

I’ve done hardcore raiding, i’ve done high tiered PvP. I’ve played several MMOs.

And i enjoy GW2. Why would i change game because of what random people on forums think?

I’ve been in the hardcore life, and now i’m living the casual life.

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

It’s normal to go in a “defensive position” for a game you love, when people are having issues/complaining about it. Used to do that myself. But i’ve learned to accept the fact of people being different, and so are their opinions.

Fact is. This game is not perfect, no MMO is. Especially not in the startup phase. And everone needs to get that fact in their head. There are issues, there are reasons to complain. Of course, there are people with uneccesary complaints, but the majority is legit.

The community itself is not awful because of people having different opinons.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Fanboying is just as bad as blind hate.

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Your question is answered by your last sentence. I don’t mind complaints, or criticism, or a good discussion. But there are too many people who complain for the sake of complaining, who have stopped playing but still come here somehow. There are too many people who will call you a fanboi if you disagree with them on one subject. And there are not enough truly neutral, constructive or open-minded people around.

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Your question is answered by your last sentence. I don’t mind complaints, or criticism, or a good discussion. But there are too many people who complain for the sake of complaining, who have stopped playing but still come here somehow. There are too many people who will call you a fanboi if you disagree with them on one subject. And there are not enough truly neutral, constructive or open-minded people around.

That’s how it is, and how it also will be on mainstream games forums. People use this place to ventilate, and there’s alot of people. Just don’t call the entire community awful because of those people!

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Your question is answered by your last sentence. I don’t mind complaints, or criticism, or a good discussion. But there are too many people who complain for the sake of complaining, who have stopped playing but still come here somehow. There are too many people who will call you a fanboi if you disagree with them on one subject. And there are not enough truly neutral, constructive or open-minded people around.

That’s how it is, and how it also will be on mainstream games forums. People use this place to ventilate, and there’s alot of people. Just don’t call the entire community awful because of those people!

I didn’t I specifically said only the forum community Ingame, the GW community is the best I’ve ever seen, GW1 and GW2 both.

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Your question is answered by your last sentence. I don’t mind complaints, or criticism, or a good discussion. But there are too many people who complain for the sake of complaining, who have stopped playing but still come here somehow. There are too many people who will call you a fanboi if you disagree with them on one subject. And there are not enough truly neutral, constructive or open-minded people around.

That’s how it is, and how it also will be on mainstream games forums. People use this place to ventilate, and there’s alot of people. Just don’t call the entire community awful because of those people!

I didn’t I specifically said only the forum community Ingame, the GW community is the best I’ve ever seen, GW1 and GW2 both.

I noticed! But the forum itself isn’t awful either! I like the WvW threads for example. Most people there are writing their stories, having a good time, complimenting the enemy, etc.

You just need to filter out the blind hate and love.

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Winfernal.9208:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

The question is. Do you find it awful because of other peoples complaints/issues on here? Many people do.

You have to be neutral, you have to see both side of things. Be constructive. Don’t complain for the sake of complaining, and don’t fanboy on it either, blind love.

Your question is answered by your last sentence. I don’t mind complaints, or criticism, or a good discussion. But there are too many people who complain for the sake of complaining, who have stopped playing but still come here somehow. There are too many people who will call you a fanboi if you disagree with them on one subject. And there are not enough truly neutral, constructive or open-minded people around.

That’s how it is, and how it also will be on mainstream games forums. People use this place to ventilate, and there’s alot of people. Just don’t call the entire community awful because of those people!

I didn’t I specifically said only the forum community Ingame, the GW community is the best I’ve ever seen, GW1 and GW2 both.

I noticed! But the forum itself isn’t awful either! I like the WvW threads for example. Most people there are writing their stories, having a good time, complimenting the enemy, etc.

You just need to filter out the blind hate and love.

Or maybe I’m in the wrong subforum. I usually only visit Discussion and Player Helping Player.

Spiky.8403:

Since start I’ve been reading many strange threads, sometimes I couldn’t believe my eyes. I should say that I know people are always whinig around mmo, usually not ingame, but via forum. But lately it’s just too much.

Everything that requires player’s attention multiple times is treadmill.
Everything that is not obtained without effort is grind.
Boss that requires tactic needs to be nerfed or removed from the game.
Dungeon that cannot be completed by first try is too hard and should be fixed to don’t frustrate players.
Party leader looking for certain class is elitist, egoist and should be banned for his behaviour.

Don’t you think it’s too much? Because this is what I see every day I visit this forum.

You are mostly right, OP, but there is some point to certain complaints.

While GW2 itself does not require any grind, the ways to obtain a lot of things are definitely implemented horribly.
Getting ascended gear for instance; you get one chance a day to drop rings from lvl 10 (I wouldn’t go lvl 12 or more wihtout any AR).
I got 2 rings already on my Thief, but my girlfriend after many fractals still has to get her first.
I guarantee you she has the skill to play frac 20 at least, she survived a whole lvl 14 run without AR once, but the gear is forcing her back.
The “alternative” way is to spend like 100 gold in ectos/mats to get a ring is something I simply laughed at and very poor design.

Dailies are nothing short of fetch quests. 0/10 kill rats, 0/10 craft, etc.

Legendaries are just a mega gold sink, and the way to do them (i.e. breaking your mouse on the mystic forge to craft thngs) is simply bad.

But IMHO the major flaw is the inability to be self sufficient in making gear.
For instance in Lineage 2 to get a S-grade sword you need 500 of this and 250 of that too, BUT you can farm those items. Mobs do drop them.
In GW2 you can’t farm your own items due to DR.

The whole point of crafting is the do-it-yourself awesomeness.
You go out in the fields, farm all materials, and make your own stuff.
But for instance if I want to craft a pearl axe I cannot just “farm” ectos.
There is no UW here, you cannot go and get ectos yourself.

The strange thing is, Arena Net works for NCSoft.
NCSoft created an extremely well balanced market and crafting system in Lineage 2.
Can’t Anet simply borrow a few guys that made L2 from NC and have them improve the market/crafting system?

Last thing; I still cannot understand why things like p2p trading (or setting up a private shop like L2), dueling etc were left out.
It’s not like those things create any issue, they are just bonus features. Why leaving them out on purpose is beyond me.

That being said, yes, there is too much pointless complaining and little factual complaining.
For instance those “there is no endgame” posts.
GW2 offers a ton of activities at lvl 80 how can you say there is no endgame?
Give an explanation of why you think so.

+1000 to the OP if I could…

I get complained at because I am complaining about the complainers.

You don’t want to grind for exotic/legendary items? You don’t have to.
Don’t want to complete the (easy IMO) personal story? You don’t have to.
Hate doing Fractals? You don’t have to.
Can’t survive Southsun Cove? You don’t have to.
Haven’t been able to complete a jumping puzzle? You don’t have to.

There’s a pattern. You don’t have to do diddly in this game if you don’t want to. Personally, I don’t have the patience to grind for legendaries or even to start crafting. Guess what? I don’t have to.

So much option and scope in this game. You can pick and choose what content you want to participate in. But vice-versa, don’t rush to do it all… then complain there’s nothing left to do!

@Red Falcon: as you said..

that problem with ascended ring in FotM is pretty annoying, at start you have none when you need, and later you have no place to storage them. It’s simply not done yet and as I see it never will, devs just don’t care about this.

Random is probably the worst thing ingame atm, it can be a vital part of mmo, but not with so crazy numbers. (now some lucky guy that got Dusk at first try will come and say how amazing it is)

DR is simply stupid idea and I see no reason why should be someone punished for playing the game. If I wan’t to farm certain thing, I simply have to stop or DR will stop me.. nonsense. Sometimes it looks like people behind this game never played any other mmo, as I see it, grind is somehow part of mmo if you want or not, and killing it cannot be a good way.

And then I can be wondering why is my guild empty, while at first two months we had 90% people active, now it’s hardly 10%. Don’t let people farm materials they need, force them to do part of everything, and they will move to better place. And it’s sad, because this game has so much potential, just need someone more experienced to lead.

Whining about whining is, well, just whining. Looks like you are a good fit for the forums you complain about.

Raine.1394:

Whining about whining is, well, just whining. Looks like you are a good fit for the forums you complain about.

That “you whine about whining so you’re a whiner” logic always sounded quite immature to me.
It’s actually pretty normal that a major amount of complaining is going to get anyone annoyed, but that doesn’t put the annoyed people at the same level of pointless whiners.

Say you enter a room and everyone is crying, you get annoyed by that but it doesn’t make you a crier, just a normal person who wants a more mature and constructive debate.

The complaining here (as well as most forums) is very annoying. Mostly cause it seems it comes from disgruntled ex-players.

My theory is…the happy ones are playing, the others are here

:P

Gestankfaust.4216:

The complaining here (as well as most forums) is very annoying. Mostly cause it seems it comes from disgruntled ex-players.

My theory is…the happy ones are playing, the others are here

:P

I’m doing both.

You can be objective about the game, even if you are happy about it. I think GW2 has some flaws, but that doesn’t mean that i can’t enjoy it at the same time.

Not taking sides is healthy for the gaming community, and the developers. Be objective.

Winfernal.9208:

Gestankfaust.4216:

The complaining here (as well as most forums) is very annoying. Mostly cause it seems it comes from disgruntled ex-players.

My theory is…the happy ones are playing, the others are here

:P

I’m doing both.

You can be objective about the game, even if you are happy about it. I think GW2 has some flaws, but that doesn’t mean that i can’t enjoy it at the same time.

Not taking sides is healthy for the gaming community, and the developers. Be objective.

Fair enough. And I do see that here as well. A little….

No..
Legitimate complaints should be addressed on the forum so the game as a whole can be repaired and make it a more fun experience for all, not a select few..

Dante.1508:

No..
Legitimate complaints should be addressed on the forum so the game as a whole can be repaired and make it a more fun experience for all, not a select few..

Legit complaints are rarely posted here though. The legit ones are voiced in areas they can be seen. On this section, we just see the same whining over and over. With denial of anything good ever happening.

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The community here on the forums is aweful. Ingame though, I still have fun with the map chats and random groups I find while running through the world. I don’t see a lot of trolls on my server, thankkitten.

I use the forums to pass the time at work until I can get home and play the game itself

Me too…use the forums at work. But the comunity in game on TC is pretty darn good.

Here, like so many internet forums, people who didn’t find what they were looking for in this game still continue to haunt the forums…desperately hoping to bring someone around to their viewpoint. Why?

I really can’t fathom the mindset of someone who quit playing a game they dislike but continues griping in the forums. I played my last game for over 4 yrs…but its never even occurred to me to go back to its forums and whine about it?? Whats the point?