Guild Wars 2

I was wondering what people think Anet has up their sleeve for GW2 in 2014? I have been a BIG supporter of GW2, but have been losing faith in them for many reason. In 2014 we have Elder Scroll Online and WildStar coming out. So I would think Anet would make 2014 a HUGE year for GW2 and maybe make good on promises they have made. Oh and if you haven’t seen anything on WildStar you should really check it out.

Yeah wildstar looks nice, nut still Gw2 doesnt have sub so i will probably playing both

Just FYI wildstar will be like Eve, in that you can/will be able to use ingame currency to buy game time.

I don’t think crapping out ‘content’ at 2-week intervals is going to cut it for me. I’m just screwing around in this game until Wildstar arrives, but I might just go back to GW1 while I wait.

Well i dont think they just gonna stay like that watching other games thriving and taking their players, they should have things coming up… otherwise is going to be their fault if they dont try keep their players anyway

The problem is that none of you doomsayers have any context. There are currently no publicly viewable server stats for GW2, so we have no idea exactly how many people are or aren’t playing this game. Without that information making assumptions about the health of the game when a random new game is released is tantamount to the logical fallacy known as cognitive bias in the form of overgeneralization. And you really shouldn’t do that in a reasoned discussion.

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

The problem is that none of you doomsayers have any context. There are currently no server stats for GW2, so we have no idea exactly how many people are or aren’t playing this game. Without that information making assumptions about the health of the game when a random new game is released is tantamount to the logical fallacy known as cognitive bias in the form of overgeneralization. And you really shouldn’t do that in a reasoned discussion.

So in general whats your opinion? that the game is good? because yeah personally i would say currently is very populated and there are some new players coming in every day! this doesnt mean that if a better game comes out is gonna stay like that

I don’t like Wildstar’s art style. ESO is sub and I personally think their art is not as good as GW2. Also I feel the skyrim control style is not very smooth. Although the thought of putting all Elderscrolls maps into one game really draws me in, the subscription is a no no for me (personal reason rather than financial ones). Also RP is important to me but I don’t feel like buying the game, create characters to just reserve the names and drop it, won’t come back until they change the payment model – that’s just ridiculous, I might as well not play it so I wouldn’t be too invested.

Immensus.9732:

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

The problem is that none of you doomsayers have any context. There are currently no server stats for GW2, so we have no idea exactly how many people are or aren’t playing this game. Without that information making assumptions about the health of the game when a random new game is released is tantamount to the logical fallacy known as cognitive bias in the form of overgeneralization. And you really shouldn’t do that in a reasoned discussion.

So in general whats your opinion? that the game is good? because yeah personally i would say currently is very populated and there are some new players coning in every day! this doesnt mean that if a better game comes out is gonna stay like that

That isn’t my point. My point is that we shouldn’t be making any sort of assumption on the health of the game based on a random future event without some sort of confirmation of the current health of the game in the form of census data from each server, or more preferably a press release stating how much money Anet is currently making specifically off of this game alone. Either or both of those would allow us to determine much better what the fallout would be if another game was released that delivered everything this game promised to deliver but did it better.

That said, I don’t believe that any of the games mentioned in this thread are going to be able to deliver exactly what this game promised when it was in development. Because many of those promises were so grandiose that achieving them would make it so the game was nearly impossible to classify as an RPG in the first place.

What I mean is that, yes, there are Tanks, Nukers (Old D&D Term for DPS), and Healers in this game. Perhaps not in the traditional sense that people are accustomed to, but they do exist. No, the events are not ever changing or able to alter the game environment on a psuedo permanent level. But achieving that within an artificial digital environment that wasn’t single player would have been nearly impossible to pull off without performing nearly constant content updates (which is ultimately what Anet decided to do). There are probably half a dozen other things I am forgetting as being promised that weren’t fulfilled and which would mean the need for an entire reclassification of the Genre if they were fulfilled PROPERLY. But suffice to say those were the two most important ones.

Point is, unless a new game comes along that utilizes a free to play model, and completely redesigns the RPG model on such a fundamental level that it might as well no longer be called an RPG in the traditional sense. Then I doubt anything is going to replace Guild Wars 2 anytime in the near future.

Also, even if Eve and Wildstar do allow you to pay off your subscription using an In-Game Currency, you still have to pay for that initial start up subscription (unless they are in the habit of handing out Free Trials to everyone and thus negating their entire profit base completely). And even if you do pay for the subscription with in-game currency, your going to be hard pressed to make a profit with that in game currency unless you spend all your time farming said in game currency and doing absolutely nothing else. Unless the currency drops like literal raindrops in a hurricane, which would further destroy those games profit margins. Which means I don’t particularly think I will be among the rabid fanboys playing those games considering how much trouble I normally have making money in games as it is.

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

Also, even if Eve and Wildstar do allow you to pay off your subscription using an In-Game Currency, you still have to pay for that initial start up subscription (unless they are in the habit of handing out Free Trials to everyone and thus negating their entire profit base completely). And even if you do pay for the subscription with in-game currency, your going to be hard pressed to make a profit with that in game currency unless you spend all your time farming said in game currency and doing absolutely nothing else. Unless the currency drops like literal raindrops in a hurricane, which would further destroy those games profit margins. Which means I don’t particularly think I will be among the rabid fanboys playing those games considering how much trouble I normally have making money in games as it is.

Well you got a good point here to be honest

What can I say, nothing is ever truly free in a capitalistic economy. Even the communists in China figured that out when they practically invented the current free to play model used in this and other games.

And I say the communists in China invented it, because the model was practically invented by a Subsidiary owned by the Chinese Company “Perfect World Beijing (aka Wanmei)” and the large chunk of companies in the People’s Republic of China are officially owned by the Communist (or Socialist if you want to be PC) Government for better or worse.

Immensus.9732:

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

Also, even if Eve and Wildstar do allow you to pay off your subscription using an In-Game Currency, you still have to pay for that initial start up subscription (unless they are in the habit of handing out Free Trials to everyone and thus negating their entire profit base completely). And even if you do pay for the subscription with in-game currency, your going to be hard pressed to make a profit with that in game currency unless you spend all your time farming said in game currency and doing absolutely nothing else. Unless the currency drops like literal raindrops in a hurricane, which would further destroy those games profit margins. Which means I don’t particularly think I will be among the rabid fanboys playing those games considering how much trouble I normally have making money in games as it is.

Well you got a good point here to be honest

I played EVE, stopped mainly because subs are really hurting my budget. Really is a nice game nonetheless. But from where I was then, casual relaxed kind of play, like how i enjoyed here, really wudnt pay the bills so to speak.

I don’t know if Anet has the capability make it a huge year. Partly because they put so much effort in the living sorry and secondly because they might not even see what mistakes they made. Then again, these forums should give them an idea.

If they are really coming with something next year they should already be working on it right now.

About Wildstar. Don’t forget that many of the thinks that Anet has been doing in GW2 is based on a gem-store focus that is likely partly driven by Ncsoft. Wildstar is also been published by Ncsoft. Depending how GW2 will be doing in 1 / 2 years time you might wonder if you can better focus on developers the publish there own games.

Besides, Wildstar is like WoW + aliens and then they try to copy the humor from Team Fortress / Battlefield Heroes. I just don’t see that working in a MMORPG.

It’s also hard to say how you would define the model. You can ear game-time in the game. Is that easy to get? If so then it’s basically a F2P game. If it’s hard to earn the money then it’s still so that if you buy gems you can also get free play-time so then it is a F2P game with the requirement to buy items from the store.

They do have a semi-nice housing system. Semi-nice because it’s extremely customizable however it’s a instanced based housing system. Newer MMO’s will start with placing housing in the open world what is arguably more fun.

ESO is a nice game but they made the mistake to go full sub-based. That system does not work anymore plus the fact that they have a big name for there single-player games but will not be able to create the same for a MMO. So most likely they will go F2P very soon and then it becomes one more of those games that suffer under it’s cash-shop. Just like GW2 is doing now.

What I do think that is a big plus for those games that might a reason to attract GW2 players.
They both have mounts and some real nice looking ones and they are both really an open world. No instanced maps (Wildstar does have a tutorial in an instance) so giving you a real open world feeling. Not like GW2 with all the instanced maps that totally takes away that feeling (not to mention the waypoints).

I think we will get huge updates with Raids, New Zones, New Skills, New Weapon types for all classes, New WvW map, Legendary Questlines, New Armour/Weapons, New Dungeons, SPvP Revamp, PvE and PvE Armor is shared(PvP locker to save all PvE armor), New Guild Missions(Easy, Hard, Legendary) and general improvements to existence content and more.

Well in my case …
- Wildstar looks like crap and is far away from the ganre I like so that one is out of my list.
- Elder scroll online is and will be realy bad in the end I am pretty sure of it since hype has made it so good and when people will actually play it and compleated it and is in a situation just like some people are now in GW2 their forums will sound just like some posts here. I have never liked the Elder scroll games and the trailers I watched about the game, I can’t just see what others think is so good with the game.
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GW2 is a realy good game, people have been playing it for over one year and ofc some people don’t like it and some people have gotten tiered of the stuff to do and sure some people don’t like the bi-weekly updates. But I am one of those who have played GW2 from start and I still like this game very much and I think Anet does a wonderfull job with updates and communication compaired to other companies. So I am not loosing faith in Anet, I am sure that Gw2 will stay a good game and maintain a good playerbase enough to survive the Hype of other games.

As others have said, the GW2 franchise is a business. Anyone who thinks that ANet and NCSoft are doing it out of the goodness of their heart is dead wrong.

Having said that, neither company is stupid. If they was the game to succeed financially, they’re going to have to come up with something that is not only wildly popular, but very lucrative. They are also going to have to develop something that keeps players rather than merely drawing them in with a pretty box.

I do think we’ll see the end of the Living Story at some point, as it has been made abundantly clear that they’re going to have to vastly improve the pacing and more importantly, the quality of the content. What they will replace it with is anyone’s guess.

I also think we’ll see some new zones. There are way too many on the map that we do not have access to as of yet. Far Shiverpeaks, Crystal Desert, Maguuma Jungle, Isle of Janthir, and a number of others are all waiting to be opened up and explored. Or at least, I hope they have something in mind for them.

Or, at least, I hope we see some of the improvements listed here and elsewhere.

I have absolutely no interest in Wildstar. Possibly ESO because I’m a big ES fan but I doubt i would play it ESO with a Sub. Even then I’m enjoying GW2 and will most likely be sticking with it.

It would be nice to see what GW2 has planned for 2014.

Immensus.9732:

So in general whats your opinion? that the game is good? because yeah personally i would say currently is very populated and there are some new players coming in every day! this doesnt mean that if a better game comes out is gonna stay like that

I don’t see any such game coming out soon, however. It doesn’t mean that GW2 is that good – it only means that the games that will come soon are (in my opinion) pretty average – certainly not better than those that i have already seen.
Of course, if GW2 will continue on the path of exchanging quality for grind, eventually something else will end up better.

By the way, MMO games market is really in a sad state, when we choose games not because they are good, but because they are not that bad (yet).
And without strong competition there’s no real rush for developers to improve that state, which suggests it is going to continue for at least some time.

Play both Wildstar and GW2, that way you can almost have good WoW again! It’s blindingly obvious how the Anet devs did the world, art direction and sound back then and Carbine did the ‘cartoony’ factor and combat.

I think GW2 devs could learn and more easily implement stuff from the next iteration of MMOs (Wildstar mainly) but not the other way around. No MMO is better looking or running than GW2 in the next round, it’s just the GW2 combat style that turns so many off. Zergs ’n Zerkers is a horribly boring and bland system. But, I think it can be improved, maybe… I personally liked the tab target, tons of on demand skills and trinity system. Not sure why it was just decided one day that some vast new audience existed and that they just hated it.

My 100% spot on predictions for 2014: GW2 will stay the course and hobble along, well under it’s potential. ESO will fall flat on it’s face. Wildstar will disappoint due to horrible graphics and a gimpy combat system (better than GW2, but still silly). WoW will continue to shrink, but still be at the top by 2015 due to proper endgame (instanced raids), trinity, zergless PvP and the past works of both Carbine and Anet making a seamless and (fairly) beautiful world.

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

That said, I don’t believe that any of the games mentioned in this thread are going to be able to deliver exactly what this game promised when it was in development.

Of course. GW2 didn’t deliver, and they promised it. Neither ESO nor wildstar are even making such promises. The only game at the moment that comes close with claims (but likely will still fail at it) is the EQN.

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

My prediction for next year? Scarlet’s DO NOT TOUCH has somehow affect one of the Elder Dragons, which would now surface and attack. People seek for old knowledge of ascension hence the opening of the passage to the Crystal Desert from the Fields of Ruin extending from Deldrimor Front to Crystal Desert to Elon River and Scavenger’s Cause Way.
By April ANet’s secret team who have been working on the expansion is “ready” to discuss this. By August 2014, the expansion will come out we’ll see the eastern half of the map completely unlocked.

Also at this time another secret team of ANet would have been 1/4 of their way working on the Ring of Fire south to the Unending Ocean to Cantha with possibly connecting the Dominion of Winds to it, preparing for the second expansion with the two new races, one of which is the Tengu. We’ll have to go through 2014 – 2015 with just the Crystal Desert.

By April 2016, this second team will be ready to announce the second expansion with Cantha open for exploration.

Of course all this is… speculation/hopeful

Stars. That’s sounds really really great. Maybe to great to be true.

TESO will be the only real competition to GW2 in the near future.

And ironically, now that Gw2 is a vertical progression game just like WoW , TESO will be able to compete with Gw2 for its ENTIRE player base now that Gw2’s original core-base of horizontal progression players have nothing to hold them to this game.

I really don’t know how well TESO will fare, and it’s impossible to judge based on trailers. But folks should not get their hopes up too much, and really should wait at least 6 months after TESOs game release to make an informed opinion. Because God knows we all should have learned by now not to put a single speck of credence in any game company’s pre-game promises and marketing.

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

And having played gw1 for over 7 years which I used the guild hall daily and multiple times a day and having bought gw2 under the impression we would have them fairly soon after release it saddened me quite a bit to still not have them… it was honestly next to heroes my favorite part of gw1 cause it gave everyone somewhere to meet away from the rabble and get things coordinated and had all the vendors and crafting people and stuff… it was very convenient. Not to mention it could provide a central location like LA to us with less load times if done properly.

Primernova.5791:

Play both Wildstar and GW2, that way you can almost have good WoW again! It’s blindingly obvious how the Anet devs did the world, art direction and sound back then and Carbine did the ‘cartoony’ factor and combat.

I think GW2 devs could learn and more easily implement stuff from the next iteration of MMOs (Wildstar mainly) but not the other way around. No MMO is better looking or running than GW2 in the next round, it’s just the GW2 combat style that turns so many off. Zergs ’n Zerkers is a horribly boring and bland system. But, I think it can be improved, maybe… I personally liked the tab target, tons of on demand skills and trinity system. Not sure why it was just decided one day that some vast new audience existed and that they just hated it.

My 100% spot on predictions for 2014: GW2 will stay the course and hobble along, well under it’s potential. ESO will fall flat on it’s face. Wildstar will disappoint due to horrible graphics and a gimpy combat system (better than GW2, but still silly). WoW will continue to shrink, but still be at the top by 2015 due to proper endgame (instanced raids), trinity, zergless PvP and the past works of both Carbine and Anet making a seamless and (fairly) beautiful world.

I did here somebody say that the new WoW expansion should bring the game again back to it roots.
Something many of the people who left WoW might get them back. If that expansion makes it’s promises truth.

So while everybody here is talking about ESO and Wildstar you should not forget about the new WoW expansion coming around the same time. A good expansion can have the same effect as a new released game.

Colin used to talk about the plans for the game in the months ahead. Maybe they have no plans. Maybe if they don’t reach revenue targets by Dec 30th they may have to cut budgets.

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

If it’s in an instance and mainly looks yes. But what if you can use it to gather stuff and it’s open world so you can fight to keep or get a better place on the map?

Same for guild-houses.

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

And having played gw1 for over 7 years which I used the guild hall daily and multiple times a day and having bought gw2 under the impression we would have them fairly soon after release it saddened me quite a bit to still not have them… it was honestly next to heroes my favorite part of gw1 cause it gave everyone somewhere to meet away from the rabble and get things coordinated and had all the vendors and crafting people and stuff… it was very convenient. Not to mention it could provide a central location like LA to us with less load times if done prooerly.

Useless, guild chat channel > guild ‘base’. A nice addition, no doubt, but fairly pointless still. It’s a let down in general, was my point, certainly not a reason to ditch a game.

Stars.2179:

My prediction for next year? Scarlet’s DO NOT TOUCH has somehow affect one of the Elder Dragons, which would now surface and attack. People seek for old knowledge of ascension hence the opening of the passage to the Crystal Desert from the Fields of Ruin extending from Deldrimor Front to Crystal Desert to Elon River and Scavenger’s Cause Way.
By April ANet’s secret team who have been working on the expansion is “ready” to discuss this. By August 2014, the expansion will come out we’ll see the eastern half of the map completely unlocked.

Also at this time another secret team of ANet would have been 1/4 of their way working on the Ring of Fire south to the Unending Ocean to Cantha with possibly connecting the Dominion of Winds to it, preparing for the second expansion with the two new races, one of which is the Tengu. We’ll have to go through 2014 – 2015 with just the Crystal Desert.

By April 2016, this second team will be ready to announce the second expansion with Cantha open for exploration.

Of course all this is… speculation/hopeful

I did see them more move towards factions. The living story seems to be going that way and Anet focusing more on expansions would indeed be much better then focusing on the living story. But so far they are still focusing on the living story (what is basically a focus on generating income from the cash-shop) and if they would have a focus on expansions we should have seen an expansion already.

So while such a focus on expansions would be the best so far Anet did not go that way yet. But who knows, maybe internally they did see they made a mistake and are now already working towards a expansion based game in stead of living story / cash-shop based game. One can only hope.

I love all elder scrolls games so ESO seems like BIG thing for me,as for Wildstar i dont like it and wont even bother to check it out,its simple i dont like that cartoonish animation,game looks like copy of WOW,boring combat and so on,mehh even if it was perfect its still doesnt bring anything new.But ESO,Black Desert,Everquest Next and B&S is something that can be worth checking out.Still i like GW2 and as for answer what comes in 2014,Anet already said that in 2014 they will release HUGE patch(possible expanison) and that is something i look forward.

Calae.1738:

Colin used to talk about the plans for the game in the months ahead. Maybe they have no plans. Maybe if they don’t reach revenue targets by Dec 30th they may have to cut budgets.

In that case if they would reach the revenue targets by Dec 30th they might think they are on the right way and would keep moving that way so I am not sure what would be the best outcome for the game.

They need to have enough money to make the needed changes. They did spend a lot of money on the wrong thinks sadly. But they also need to see / feel they need to make changes.

saalle.4623:

I love all elder scrolls games so ESO seems like BIG thing for me,as for Wildstar i dont like it and wont even bother to check it out,its simple i dont like that cartoonish animation,game looks like copy of WOW,boring combat and so on,mehh even if it was perfect its still doesnt bring anything new.But ESO,Black Desert,Everquest Next and B&S is something that can be worth checking out.Still i like GW2 and as for answer what comes in 2014,Anet already said that in 2014 they will release HUGE patch(possible expanison) and that is something i look forward.

If they make truth on there promise but a long time ago (I think February) they also said GW2 would get an patch with a expansion worth of content. I have never seen it. If we would count all patches so far together we still don’t have an expansion worth of content and by now they should have released an expansion if they would work with expansions in stead of the living world.

Sadly I think that the time invested into the living world might getting close to an expansion worth of time / money / work.

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

And having played gw1 for over 7 years which I used the guild hall daily and multiple times a day and having bought gw2 under the impression we would have them fairly soon after release it saddened me quite a bit to still not have them… it was honestly next to heroes my favorite part of gw1 cause it gave everyone somewhere to meet away from the rabble and get things coordinated and had all the vendors and crafting people and stuff… it was very convenient. Not to mention it could provide a central location like LA to us with less load times if done prooerly.

Useless, guild chat channel > guild ‘base’. A nice addition, no doubt, but fairly pointless still. It’s a let down in general, was my point, certainly not a reason to ditch a game.

And that may be your opinion which you’re more than welcome to but personally with reasons to stick around dwindling for myself it would be a nice addition to keep me around… while you and many others wouldn’t ditch the game for this reason and may find it silly to think that way it is what it is… its no sillier than all these ridiculous complaints about the manifesto not being followed or whatever too… they’re all expectations that weren’t fulfilled. This one just happened to come way more recently lol

The only 2 games I see coming up which could rival GW2 are Wildstar and TESO. You got some amazing games that are coming up like Black Desert but they just don’t have the budget, the IP or the marketing to compete.

Personally, I think Wildstar is basically WoW-in-space, down to the art design, so I don’t see myself playing an exact WoW-clone over WoW.

TESO looks fabulous, but I’m a bit afraid of the trinity, and what seems to be a lack of depth in its enemy design and combat is a bit worrying.

As for guild halls, I’m very much debating if its worth the effort or time to implement. As far as I can tell in my own large guild, most of the time people are off dungeoneering, boss hunting, doing whatever, and we barely idle around talking. so the guild hall would have very little use.

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

Yep , I also been there done that and yes it is boring fast.

Dikeido.8436:

Primernova.5791:

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

They can feel free to secure my loyalty anytime now byy introducing the housing features that they said would be in game a year ago… if not, that would be quite literally the last straw for me if that’s not out well before the new games are, I been patient enough about it.

I’ve played several MMOs that had housing, it’s pointless and massively overrated. You decorate it once as a massive currency sink, show it to your friends, get bored in 2 seconds and never go back again.

Yep , I also been there done that and yes it is boring fast.

Semi-offtopic but if the game needs anything its a big currency sink for all these people who have thousands and thousands of gold… and its way more people than most would think..

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

The problem is that none of you doomsayers have any context. There are currently no publicly viewable server stats for GW2, so we have no idea exactly how many people are or aren’t playing this game. Without that information making assumptions about the health of the game when a random new game is released is tantamount to the logical fallacy known as cognitive bias in the form of overgeneralization. And you really shouldn’t do that in a reasoned discussion.

Yup you are quite correct. The only metric we can reliably go on is the quarterly NCsoft revenue figures which if I remember rightly show a quarter on quarter decline of about 15% :/

Not enough to hit the panic button just yet, but I’d be concerned if I were in charge.

What will GW2 have for us in 2014? Well, Scarlet will reveal she has a twin sister and then we will have DOUBLE TROUBLE! O.O

Paulytnz.7619:

What will GW2 have for us in 2014? Well, Scarlet will reveal she has a twin sister and then we will have DOUBLE TROUBLE! O.O

Ok I retract my previous complaint about the lack of guild halls… but if this really happens I will probably take all my characters to the top of the bank building in LA and have them jump to their deaths one by one and quit after that hahaha

Actually, I’m somewhat optimistic for 2014.

Yes, it’s true the Scarlet Arc sucked, but it seems they’re finally starting to piece things together.

Tower of Nightmares left me impressed, and I’d like to see some new endgame content with a similar design.

But first, we need underflow!

Maileen.1065:

I was wondering what people think Anet has up their sleeve for GW2 in 2014?

Don’t worry, more Scarlet is already underway.

My prediction for 2014 is an expansion called “the rise of Jormag” or the “Rise of the Jungledragon”.

Scarlet was the salad before the main 7 way course.

Shanaeri Rynale.6897:

An Siorai Tharian.4516:

The problem is that none of you doomsayers have any context. There are currently no publicly viewable server stats for GW2, so we have no idea exactly how many people are or aren’t playing this game. Without that information making assumptions about the health of the game when a random new game is released is tantamount to the logical fallacy known as cognitive bias in the form of overgeneralization. And you really shouldn’t do that in a reasoned discussion.

Yup you are quite correct. The only metric we can reliably go on is the quarterly NCsoft revenue figures which if I remember rightly show a quarter on quarter decline of about 15% :/

Not enough to hit the panic button just yet, but I’d be concerned if I were in charge.

correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t that kind of thing only show what each department in the overall company is earning? not what each specific game is making them?

As for the Scarlet has a twin theory, even if she did… 50/50 chances the twin is more or less sane… I know this will probably earn me some bad rep with ya’ll, but I sort of sympathize with Scarlet. Yes she is bat kitten insane, but thats only because she was exposed to things that no Sylvari should normally be exposed to… I mean she is like the Rose Tyler of the Guild Wars Universe, only without the Doctor to pull her back from the insanity of the Bad Wolf.

And yes, I probably did just ruin each and every one of your hatreds for Scarlet who happen to be fans of Doctor Who.

Gufuu.6384:

I have absolutely no interest in Wildstar. Possibly ESO because I’m a big ES fan but I doubt i would play it ESO with a Sub. Even then I’m enjoying GW2 and will most likely be sticking with it.

If you are a T:ES fan you should pretty much hate T:ESO because of the way they treat the lore.

Tbh I don’t see both, Wildstar and T:ESO being very populated in the long run. T:ESO will meet the same fate, SWTOR did and Wildstar, I think, will run like Rift, steady but with a small population.

Gufuu.6384:

It would be nice to see what GW2 has planned for 2014.

I guess we’ll hear about that in a blogpost™ soon!

Maybe we should wait until they release the blog post if what is coming in 2014 before deciding if it will be a big year. The blog post will likely be late this month or sometime next month.

Immensus.9732:

So in general whats your opinion? that the game is good? because yeah personally i would say currently is very populated and there are some new players coming in every day! this doesnt mean that if a better game comes out is gonna stay like that

My feeling is that the game was an ambitious attempt to redefine the MMO genre that ran into a brick wall called gamers, who have been a force of stagnation for years. As such, they had to compromise many of their original ideals to cater to a market that really DOESN’T want things to change, no matter how loudly they claim they do.

There’s a reason our entertainment (in any media) winds up looking pretty much exactly alike over time… and I hate to break this to ya, it’s NOT because of the creators.

kokiman.2364:

Gufuu.6384:

I have absolutely no interest in Wildstar. Possibly ESO because I’m a big ES fan but I doubt i would play it ESO with a Sub. Even then I’m enjoying GW2 and will most likely be sticking with it.

If you are a T:ES fan you should pretty much hate T:ESO because of the way they treat the lore.

Tbh I don’t see both, Wildstar and T:ESO being very populated in the long run. T:ESO will meet the same fate, SWTOR did and Wildstar, I think, will run like Rift, steady but with a small population.

Gufuu.6384:

It would be nice to see what GW2 has planned for 2014.

I guess we’ll hear about that in a blogpost™ soon!

I think fact that TESO is sub based is going to be a hard sell to most TES fans who are used to buying the game and playing thousands of hours on it at no extra cost with free content via mods. It’s going to be interesting to see, I’m still waiting for my chance to try the beta.

One thing it does have going for it is character customization, you are not locked into a specific armor weapon type. You could be a Battlemage sporting heavy armor and a mace if you choose too. It’s one of the things I always liked about TES. Although I can just imagine the nightmare it will be to try and balance all of that.

chemiclord.3978:

My feeling is that the game was an ambitious attempt to redefine the MMO genre that ran into a brick wall called gamers, who have been a force of stagnation for years. As such, they had to compromise many of their original ideals to cater to a market that really DOESN’T want things to change, no matter how loudly they claim they do.

There’s a reason our entertainment (in any media) winds up looking pretty much exactly alike over time… and I hate to break this to ya, it’s NOT because of the creators.

THIS^^^

Heta.8629:

Maybe we should wait until they release the blog post if what is coming in 2014 before deciding if it will be a big year. The blog post will likely be late this month or sometime next month.

(Probably going to get infracted)
Why would it matter what they write on there? I mean I would read it for fun but… I wouldn’t take it seriously :/ .
Collaborative development is somewhat a step in the right direction (again with it’s own many flaws)… At the same time they’re picking topics that they want to address… Basically, pessimistically thinking, they let us voice out our opinions on issues, lucky there was so many of us that some of us hit the issues that they wanted to address…

I’m sorry I kinda lost faith in them. My main class (thief) is considered OP, get’s nerfed every patch while there are literally broken skills (Dancing dagger, to name one easy one, it works randomly, really go try it) not being addressed and as a class is really just locked into doing 1-2 things (we’re not the greatest of supports) not as many as other classes can do. But that okay, I just re-rolled to warrior and guardian. Then there’s Ascended gear with it’s time gated b.s. …. Legendaries that still depend on RNG… Broken WvW queues, that are not queues but pick people randomly (good job!)… Living story that disappears 2 weeks later, I guess it’s my fault I don’t have a lot of time to play to get w/e pretty skin/achievement at the end…

As for other games…
Looking forward to Titan Fall (an FPS not an MMORPG)…
There will always be LoL :P …
D3 is in the same boat is this game, just MUCH SLOWER at doing anything….
BF4 is nice :P .
ESO, lost interest when I found it was sub based.
Everquest Next looks kinda cool, don’t know much about it.
The Division looks sick :P They should make more MMOs with futuristic theme (like Hellgate theme was nice, Fallout games… More futuristic (robots and kitten) RF:Online :P )
Blade & Soul… will that ever come out on this continent…?
I’m against sub fees, okay with buying one time…
Can’t say i will quit entirely gw2, i’ll probably play as much as i play now and that is:
log on, flip some items on TP, log off. (very very very faint hope of eventually getting enough to buy a precursor)
Maybe WvW if my guild re-starts… :P