Guild Wars 2

This isn’t about 10,000 drinks. This isn’t about the direction of the game, or the lack of work put into festivals. This is about sanity and common sense.

The Winter Wonderland Jumping Puzzle is 3 years old and is still plagued with the same bugs it had in 2012. This puzzle was never meant to be a grind zone, it was a bit of fun and was never to be taken seriously so the bugs weren’t a pressing issue, until this year. Requiring 1,000 runs of this JP to earn (not buy) the Winter’s Presence skin is a tough ask, but ok, I decided to do it.

I’m Very good at this puzzle, not the best but good enough to average 13 a round (approximately). Not even talking about the hackers and bots, the absolute worst thing in the JP are the BUGS. 3 years ago I bug reported these and they’re still here!

1. Gingerbread path triggers the presents to explode early. Are you kidding me? This is still here? Anyone running that path hurts other players, makes their JP more difficult, it’s kitten.

2. Giants like Norm and Charr blocking the view of a player as they jump the puzzle. This could be easily changed to how the Clocktower was done, make everyone wisps. Simple.

3. Invisible Snowballs knock you off the path out of nowhere with no red ring tell. This is gamebreaking and has to be fixed. Add in some snowflakes that just don’t show up even though they are there. I can’t see them but others can…. Weird.

I’ll finish my grind in a few days, I’ll be done with the JP, this isn’t for my benefit. This puzzle must be fixed for next year because you drove me half kitten crazy this year, try to do better next year.

P.S. I love you (told you it drove me crazy)

I’d like to add that the occasional invisible snowflakes also make things much harder than they should be. I almost always fall off if there’s more than one or two.

Gingerbread path: I run it all the time, and I have never had a problem when other people run it. To say that players running it are hurting other players is not a fair statement.

Giants: They don’t bother me. I play around them. I either wait (briefly) for them to get ahead of me, or I run ahead of them. If they’re on the same platform as me, I just wait until they do their jump, or whatever they’re going to do. I like to play my Norn and Charr from time to time, and the comments people make in chat are really mean. I try to be polite by letting smaller characters go ahead of me. I know not everyone does, but some of the things that have been said are uncalled for.

Invisible snowballs/snowflakes/etc: I can’t speak to this, as this has never happened to me.

Little Leota.5849:

Gingerbread path: I run it all the time, and I have never had a problem when other people run it. To say that players running it are hurting other players is not a fair statement.

Giants: They don’t bother me. I play around them. I either wait (briefly) for them to get ahead of me, or I run ahead of them. If they’re on the same platform as me, I just wait until they do their jump, or whatever they’re going to do. I like to play my Norn and Charr from time to time, and the comments people make in chat are really mean. I try to be polite by letting smaller characters go ahead of me. I know not everyone does, but some of the things that have been said are uncalled for.

Invisible snowballs/snowflakes/etc: I can’t speak to this, as this has never happened to me.

Your ignorance of the bug doesn’t make my statement false. That path causes the presents to explode, this is a fact.

Wow, ignorance? No, I’m just describing my own experiences in the JP.

I didn’t say your statement was false; I said it wasn’t a fair statement. I said this because it isn’t fair to say those running that path are hurting other players. Let’s say it really does make the presents explode early…so what? You fall, you go back and you run it again. And you lose maybe a minute or so? That’s hardly being hurt, in my opinion.

Little Leota.5849:

Wow, ignorance? No, I’m just describing my own experiences in the JP.

I didn’t say your statement was false; I said it wasn’t a fair statement. I said this because it isn’t fair to say those running that path are hurting other players. Let’s say it really does make the presents explode early…so what? You fall, you go back and you run it again. And you lose maybe a minute or so? That’s hardly being hurt, in my opinion.

ig·no·rance
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noun
lack of knowledge or information.
“he acted in ignorance of basic procedures”
synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about;

I meant you didn’t know what you were talking about. This bug is 3 years old. It wasn’t meant as an insult.

Yes the bug costs time to other players, time is important when we are required to spam the JP 800+ times in one festival. You stated my claim was unfair, I am talking about a bug which does exist so I assumed you to be ignorant of the bug.

Running gingerbread absolutely impacts other players, now you know.

I wish they kept the jumping puzzle as set rounds like the clock tower.

The hardest part of the puzzle is the presents area due to the artificial difficulty that the bugs and giant player characters are presenting.

All of my falls in the puzzle are either because the presents exploding too quickly or because I miss the first, max-distance jump due to larger characters blocking my view of the platform edge.

You say you weren’t insulting me, yet you reply with a “dictionary entry”, as though I don’t know the meaning of the word.

I’ve heard people talking about the bug, so I’m not ignorant of it and your assumption is incorrect.

To put my own mind at ease, I was just now in the jp and I waited at the platform before the presents, and I watched. The only thing I could see that caused the presents to pop early was people jumping early. They were popping early and there was no one coming down the gingerbread path.

No one is required to do the jp. There are other ways of obtaining presents/drinks. Granted, those ways will take longer than the jp and will cost more, but they exist.

Furthermore, acquiring 10k drinks doesn’t have to be done during the one festival. That achievement can still be accomplished once Wintersday has ended.

Gingerbread : What is this coming from exactly? I always waiting for people to jump with me if they’re close to the checkpoint. Most of the time they come from gingerbread. And I can jump past the presents just fine.

If you mean the third present in the middle exploded . It’s a pattern! They always created their pattern when they respawn. They have pretty much have 2-3 patterns in this path. If that happen just jump to other column of presents and continue.

I can’t comment on giant thing. I try jumping with my asura and I can get along with those giants just fine. But I can’t tell that " it’s not a problem" or “my muscle memory spoiled me” .
Even I do this jp on Charr I still lost my self sometimes when jump with other people. I dunno.

Invisible snowball: It’s happen about 2 weeks when it start. Now it’s gone. I never see it again.

Little Leota.5849:

You say you weren’t insulting me, yet you reply with a “dictionary entry”, as though I don’t know the meaning of the word.

I’ve heard people talking about the bug, so I’m not ignorant of it and your assumption is incorrect.

To put my own mind at ease, I was just now in the jp and I waited at the platform before the presents, and I watched. The only thing I could see that caused the presents to pop early was people jumping early. They were popping early and there was no one coming down the gingerbread path.

No one is required to do the jp. There are other ways of obtaining presents/drinks. Granted, those ways will take longer than the jp and will cost more, but they exist.

Furthermore, acquiring 10k drinks doesn’t have to be done during the one festival. That achievement can still be accomplished once Wintersday has ended.

I tell you there is a bug, you say you know, then you attempt to disprove it, that’s willful ignorance. You are free to run gingerbread it’s not illegal but you are hurting other player’s chances of success.

Takoyakii.2146:

Gingerbread : What is this coming from exactly? I always waiting for people to jump with me if they’re close to the checkpoint. Most of the time they come from gingerbread. And I can jump past the presents just fine.

If you mean the third present in the middle exploded . It’s a pattern! They always created their pattern when they respawn. They have pretty much have 2-3 patterns in this path. If that happen just jump to other column of presents and continue.

I can’t comment on giant thing. I try jumping with my asura and I can get along with those giants just fine. But I can’t tell that " it’s not a problem" or “my muscle memory spoiled me” .
Even I do this jp on Charr I still lost my self sometimes when jump with other people. I dunno.

Invisible snowball: It’s happen about 2 weeks when it start. Now it’s gone. I never see it again.

The presents exploding without anyone having jumped on them is the bug. They are triggered by players from lane 1 (gingerbread). I’ve been in almost empty instances where no one was on lane 1 and presents sit forever until you jump, a perfect instance. If you have 1 player run lane 1 they explode when that player gets near the candy before the fire.

Aidenwolf.5964:

I tell you there is a bug, you say you know, then you attempt to disprove it, that’s willful ignorance. You are free to run gingerbread it’s not illegal but you are hurting other player’s chances of success.

What I said was I have heard about the bug, and I didn’t attempt to disprove it; I wanted to see for myself what you were talking about. I did not see it. I find it interesting that, in your next post, you explain your observations which you use as your “proof”, even though you completely discounted my observations as “willful ignorance”. I would appreciate it if you would please refrain from calling me ignorant, willful or otherwise, for I am neither.

I don’t need your permission to run gingerbread, of course it isn’t illegal to do so, and no one is hurting other players’ chances of success when they can simply start again. How very condescending of you.

Why did you begin this thread if you intend to insult anyone who doesn’t share your opinion? It would appear it wasn’t meant to foster discussion or debate; rather, it seems you were simply looking for others with whom to commiserate. I offer my sincerest apologies for posting to your thread in reply to the points you set forth. Clearly we have differing views and that doesn’t seem to be what you were after. Cheers.

Little Leota.5849:

Aidenwolf.5964:

I tell you there is a bug, you say you know, then you attempt to disprove it, that’s willful ignorance. You are free to run gingerbread it’s not illegal but you are hurting other player’s chances of success.

What I said was I have heard about the bug, and I didn’t attempt to disprove it; I wanted to see for myself what you were talking about. I did not see it. I find it interesting that, in your next post, you explain your observations which you use as your “proof”, even though you completely discounted my observations as “willful ignorance”. I would appreciate it if you would please refrain from calling me ignorant, willful or otherwise, for I am neither.

I don’t need your permission to run gingerbread, of course it isn’t illegal to do so, and no one is hurting other players’ chances of success when they can simply start again. How very condescending of you.

Why did you begin this thread if you intend to insult anyone who doesn’t share your opinion? It would appear it wasn’t meant to foster discussion or debate; rather, it seems you were simply looking for others with whom to commiserate. I offer my sincerest apologies for posting to your thread in reply to the points you set forth. Clearly we have differing views and that doesn’t seem to be what you were after. Cheers.

I didn’t insult you.
I’m not stating opinion, these bugs exist.
This isn’t for my benefit as I’ll soon be done, this is for next year and the players who follow.

I apologize for any insult you’ve suffered but these bugs are real, not opinion. What is my opinion is that I believe these have no place in a 3 year old jumping puzzle and that removing them is in the best interest of the game.

As a player who runs Norn and Charr on gingerbread I can see why you would think this topic was aimed at you but this is for Anet.

Ivrae.8231:

I’d like to add that the occasional invisible snowflakes also make things much harder than they should be. I almost always fall off if there’s more than one or two.

I edited the OP to say snowflakes. I had written invisible presents by mistake. I run Quaggan and haven’t seen them this year but I used to run middle and saw them far too often. I hear players talking about them still, sad.

How is it required to do 1000 runs? You only need to finish it thrice.

ProtoGunner.4953:

How is it required to do 1000 runs? You only need to finish it thrice.

Probably referring to the winter presence requirements. You need 10000 drinks which you can only get from presents. Given drop rate you need about 12000 presents or more.

Easiest way to get that is do jumping puzzle 1200 times. It’s a total blast and lots of fun. I just wish they would have made us need to do it more. Like maybe 2000 to 3000 times because each run is more fun than the last.

In a full instance, the gingerbread bug is minor as you will constantly have people trying to cross over the presents. Someone taking that path will not have much of an impact.

Your character is located at the same location on your screen. You can do jumping puzzles based on that location. I have consistently done the JP with two charr (one had the wings) practically on top of me and not had any issues. That said, there is a check box for standard models. You could request that Anet extends that option to all activities.

One had the wings? yet you backitems don’t show up in the JP, what do you exactly mean?

I have only had trouble with invisible snowballs in the first 2 weeks.
The gingerbread bug is still annoying though, hopefully they will be able to fix it.

luzt.7692:

One had the wings? yet you backitems don’t show up in the JP, what do you exactly mean?

I have only had trouble with invisible snowballs in the first 2 weeks.
The gingerbread bug is still annoying though, hopefully they will be able to fix it.

The snowflakes you jump on. This bug usually happens on the snowman path which is why I avoid that one.

Ayrilana.1396:

In a full instance, the gingerbread bug is minor as you will constantly have people trying to cross over the presents. Someone taking that path will not have much of an impact.

Your character is located at the same location on your screen. You can do jumping puzzles based on that location. I have consistently done the JP with two charr (one had the wings) practically on top of me and not had any issues. That said, there is a check box for standard models. You could request that Anet extends that option to all activities.

Normalization would be great but I could also ask for what I did, as that was already done to the Mad King JP it’s a logical ask.

Any effect one player has on another on a JP is too much but as I’ve said this is altruistic as I’ll not grind this again.

The OP says that the puzzle was originally designed as something to do for fun and it’s showing its age, especially since people now feel the need to farm it to earn enough gold or otherwise acquire drinks for a particular shiny.

On its own, that seems like a fair statement.

However, the OP goes on with some specific details that are, at best, arguable and at worst, hyperbole that distracts from the main point: perhaps Winter Wonderland should be updated before 2016 Wintersday — the JP has some issues that aren’t a problem for running the puzzle a few times, but become horribly annoying for many that are trying to run it repeatedly.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The OP says that the puzzle was originally designed as something to do for fun and it’s showing its age, especially since people now feel the need to farm it to earn enough gold or otherwise acquire drinks for a particular shiny.

On its own, that seems like a fair statement.

However, the OP goes on with some specific details that are, at best, arguable and at worst, hyperbole that distracts from the main point: perhaps Winter Wonderland should be updated before 2016 Wintersday — the JP has some issues that aren’t a problem for running the puzzle a few times, but become horribly annoying for many that are trying to run it repeatedly.

Sorry but at best I’m calling out Bugs which do exist and player’s choice of race which block the vision of another player. This is player vs puzzle, in the state it’s been for 3 years it’s player vs puzzle and other players. You can argue I like arguing but at best I’m right, I’ll freely admit to hyperbole.

Seems like when you place a requirement on completing the JP to achieve the Meta award, you force a lot of players who hate/suck at JP’s to go in there, fill the map, keep others out, use big toons, etc….

Fun doesn’t enter the discussion when it’s a requirement and for many it is. They
don’t expect to finish the imbiber or sweet tooth achieves and those who don’t enjoy pvp may bypass snowball mayhem which leaves the JP.

I also think a better setup for a holiday festival would not have been difficult or costly to make.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The OP says that the puzzle was originally designed as something to do for fun and it’s showing its age, especially since people now feel the need to farm it to earn enough gold or otherwise acquire drinks for a particular shiny.

On its own, that seems like a fair statement.

However, the OP goes on with some specific details that are, at best, arguable and at worst, hyperbole that distracts from the main point: perhaps Winter Wonderland should be updated before 2016 Wintersday — the JP has some issues that aren’t a problem for running the puzzle a few times, but become horribly annoying for many that are trying to run it repeatedly.

Sorry but at best I’m calling out Bugs which do exist and player’s choice of race which block the vision of another player. This is player vs puzzle, in the state it’s been for 3 years it’s player vs puzzle and other players. You can argue I like arguing but at best I’m right, I’ll freely admit to hyperbole.

If you want ANet to pay attention, then stick to what matters: the puzzle wasn’t designed to handle the current traffic and it’s time for an upgrade.

I’m not sure why you want to distract from that issue by arguing points which have nothing to do with your concern. As you agree, the bugs were always there and (as I hope you can see), not everyone is affected by them. What changed in 2015 was that people felt the need to farm it for hours on end, which means any bug is more likely to be felt by more people and more often.

Or let me put it another way: I agreed with you that there’s an issue worth ANet spending some development time. And yet, instead of saying ‘thanks for the support,’ you want to spend energy picking nits.