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Posted by: rfdarko.4639

rfdarko.4639

The decision was made to replace Twilight Arbor forward/up with the new, level 80 dungeon. I personally strongly disagree with this decision, but I’ve read and recognize the reasons Anet gave. However, there is one part of this that is very frustrating – we are being told less then 24 hours before the patch.

As much as that last boss drove me crazy, the path itself was may favorite of the three. The mesmer boss was a genuinely tricky fight, and the water spouts was an interesting little puzzle. If I had known it was being deleted from the game, I would have set aside time to enjoy it while I still could. I would have taken through some of my friends who hadn’t done it yet, who will now never get the chance to experience it.

Next time a dungeon path is being permanently removed, I’d like to ask anet to give at least a few days warning. I understand wanting to keep the living story a surprise, but logging in to find a dungeon path completely removed is not the sort of surprise I enjoy.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I agree 100% OP. Content should never be removed without warning. It’s the wrong thing to do.

I hated Twilight Arbor forward up (over all TA is one of my least favorite dungeons), but I think people need to know when something is being removed.

I can sort of see why Anet plays their cards close to their chest. The forums are like a cesspool of blind hate for all changes, so why should they say stuff, but in spite of that, I think they just have to make these announcements earlier and give people a chance to digest them.

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Posted by: clint.5681

clint.5681

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

If it makes you feel any better, most people hate that path. I do.

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Posted by: Breaking Bad.6241

Breaking Bad.6241

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

If it makes you feel any better, most people hate that path. I do.

Most people hate hotw 2 and 3, se 2, ac 2 and cof 3. Hopefully Anet doesn’t just delete them as well. I’d rather they fix them – lower boss HP would be a great start.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

If it makes you feel any better, most people hate that path. I do.

Most people hate hotw 2 and 3, se 2, ac 2 and cof 3. Hopefully Anet doesn’t just delete them as well. I’d rather they fix them – lower boss HP would be a great start.

I agree. It should have been fixed. However, what I find with TA is that too much of the paths are repeated anyway for my taste. No matter what path I was running it felt basically like the same thing.

So I welcome the diversity the new path will bring.

Which doesn’t mean the old path should have been removed.

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Posted by: Breaking Bad.6241

Breaking Bad.6241

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

If it makes you feel any better, most people hate that path. I do.

Most people hate hotw 2 and 3, se 2, ac 2 and cof 3. Hopefully Anet doesn’t just delete them as well. I’d rather they fix them – lower boss HP would be a great start.

I agree. It should have been fixed. However, what I find with TA is that too much of the paths are repeated anyway for my taste. No matter what path I was running it felt basically like the same thing.

So I welcome the diversity the new path will bring.

Which doesn’t mean the old path should have been removed.

Absolutely. I can’t wait for the mixture between MF and AR new dungeon path but deleting an existing path altogether just doesn’t make sense. All of a sudden I am not looking forward to the fractal update if it means 2-3 fractals will be deleted.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

The decision was made to replace Twilight Arbor forward/up with the new, level 80 dungeon. I personally strongly disagree with this decision, but I’ve read and recognize the reasons Anet gave. However, there is one part of this that is very frustrating – we are being told less then 24 hours before the patch.

The 24 hour notice is 24 hours more than we got before the karma booster changed. Let it never be said I’m not an optimist.


Yeah, that was sarcasm.

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Posted by: Meglobob.8620

Meglobob.8620

Why delete it at all?

Why could they not add it as a 4th path?

Would that really be to much to ask?

If they had give 2 weeks notice that path would have been played a lot in the last 2 weeks, as one final hooray…

Yet another awesome, fantastic decision by Anet…

Looks like they are giving us new permanent content but deleting other permanent content to make room…

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Posted by: Seras.5702

Seras.5702

Yea I’m a little bummed only cuz I never got around to running it. Totally my fault; I’ve been playing the game for a year. But I didn’t think they’d remove a dungeon path with almost no notice.

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Posted by: cesmode.4257

cesmode.4257

I knew they were adding a new path. I didnt know they removed one. Really lame. So in essence…no new AMOUNT of dungeon content? Still the same?

Karma is as abundant as air, and as useless as the Kardashians.

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Posted by: incognito.4019

incognito.4019

The decision was made to replace Twilight Arbor forward/up with the new, level 80 dungeon. I personally strongly disagree with this decision, but I’ve read and recognize the reasons Anet gave. However, there is one part of this that is very frustrating – we are being told less then 24 hours before the patch.

The 24 hour notice is 24 hours more than we got before the karma booster changed. Let it never be said I’m not an optimist.


Yeah, that was sarcasm.

yes, and a lot of people paid money for those karma boosters, but Anet doesn’t give a kitten how they abuse your trust.

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

Here’s the dev response/reason for the removal: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/twilight/TA-F-U-path-is-being-removed/page/4#post2943234

which doesn’t address the timing of notification, but why the former path was removed. In case anyone was wondering about the reason for some of ArenaNet’s choices in content.

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Posted by: sonicsix.5713

sonicsix.5713

Many dungeons are annoying, hence the low frequency of them being run.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Many dungeons are annoying, hence the low frequency of them being run.

Yeah but that path really REALLY sucked. Particularly the end boss, which was pretty much broken by my standards. It could be beat, if you ran a specific meta and prayed to the old gods, but it wasn’t in any way fun.

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Posted by: Seras.5702

Seras.5702

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

Yep.

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

Thats the nature of the company that you can’t ever change unfortunately.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

I agree 100% OP. Content should never be removed without warning. It’s the wrong thing to do.

…Which doesn’t mean the old path should have been removed.

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

Why delete it at all?

Why could they not add it as a 4th path?

Would that really be to much to ask?

If they had give 2 weeks notice that path would have been played a lot in the last 2 weeks, as one final hooray…

Yet another awesome, fantastic decision by Anet…

Looks like they are giving us new permanent content but deleting other permanent content to make room…

I knew they were adding a new path. I didnt know they removed one. Really lame. So in essence…no new AMOUNT of dungeon content? Still the same?

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

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ARENANET get better at communicating. I hate that you remove content from your game that really really really needs more content but I have more hatred for your poor communication.

There is no excuse for your company to have such a disconnect from such a basic concept. Your customers give you money, show a little respect and put some effort into better communication.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

I agree 100% OP. Content should never be removed without warning. It’s the wrong thing to do.

…Which doesn’t mean the old path should have been removed.

It sucks i was planning on finally trying out those paths tomorrow and now one will be gone.

Why delete it at all?

Why could they not add it as a 4th path?

Would that really be to much to ask?

If they had give 2 weeks notice that path would have been played a lot in the last 2 weeks, as one final hooray…

Yet another awesome, fantastic decision by Anet…

Looks like they are giving us new permanent content but deleting other permanent content to make room…

I knew they were adding a new path. I didnt know they removed one. Really lame. So in essence…no new AMOUNT of dungeon content? Still the same?

Didn’t Anet recently apologize for making a drastic change/removal of something with little/no warning? And didn’t they just say that in the future they will endeavor to not repeat their mistake again?

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ARENANET get better at communicating. I hate that you remove content from your game that really really really needs more content but I have more hatred for your poor communication.

There is no excuse for your company to have such a disconnect from such a basic concept. Your customers give you money, show a little respect and put some effort into better communication.

You forgot to list the part where they communicated and posted their reasons for removing the content.

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

You forgot to list the part where they communicated and posted their reasons for removing the content.

I spend a lot of time on the forums but I don’t go to every sub section and I don’t really want to at all.

I feel that ArenaNet could improve their communication.

Are you trying to say that their past performance is adequate?

Why would they replace a path instead of just adding a 4th?

If you are okay with things in this game then I’m happy for you. I want things to be better than they are now.

Sooo you flatout lied to us when you said youd be giving us new permanent content in the form of an additional dungeon path. This is replacement content. Not what we wanted, go back to the drawing board. TAFU merely needed the boss to be reverted to the way he was to be one of the more played paths again, no need to delete it =/ Myself and other players still ran this path for some extra challenge.. This is not what you have been promising us, at all.

I was really looking forward to this patch, now im debating wether to log on for it at all -.-

from: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/twilight/TA-F-U-path-is-being-removed/page/4#post2943234

I missed the communication about changing crafting which no longer adds ten levels… I missed many many things that I would have liked to know about but don’t comb over every post in the forums and I don’t use twitter…

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

It’s not that hard to read the Dev posts. Has it own sub-forum and everything. But, if you don’t like to visit other sub-forums, that’s ok. =)

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Posted by: Mahaedros.7085

Mahaedros.7085

It’s not that hard to read the Dev posts. Has it own sub-forum and everything. But, if you don’t like to visit other sub-forums, that’s ok. =)

Sorry, I don’t like to visit EVERY sub forum to find by chance a change to the game which could be relayed to the players in a more effective manner.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke

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Posted by: Neural.1824

Neural.1824

I’d rather they fix them

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

“Fix” isn’t in their vocabulary.

1. Replace
2. Break more.

Choose two.

Where are my gem sales? I want gem sales! Nerf EVERYTHING!

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Posted by: rfdarko.4639

rfdarko.4639

Mentioning in a livestream a day before patch that an entire dungeon path is getting nuked, and explaining the reason for it in a minor subforum is not what I would call adequate communication.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

I do agree that some forewarning that path 1 was being replaced would have been nice. I’d never actually had a chance to do it. When I read the release info for the upcoming patch and it said ‘new path’ I did not interpret it as ‘replaces existing path.’

I’m not screaming about it, but I am a little bummed. Communication is key in all good relationships. Something as simple as “This new path will replace” blah blah on the release flier page would have been fine.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.