Guild Wars 2

bighaben.5890:

Gold isn’t the problem. If everything you need to make things costs mats, then the problem is the mats. They don’t drop nearly enough.

My suggestion to solve this issue:
-Increase drop rates of t6 mats by around 10-15%
-Dragon chests drop 2-5 t6 mats

Done, should solve A LOT of problems.

then mats will be devalued and its price will drop significantly damaging the economy, making it harder to make money. In high level areas I can get 15 to 30 gossamer scaps by salvaging. Orr had it raining tier 6 mats for me as well. Now I have enough totems and venom sacs to make a few pairs of exotics. The only drop rate that is problematic for me is ecto.

@Dogblaster.6713

my relationship with guildwars 2 is like marriage. i bonded with the gw franchise since 2005 and i’ve never played any games but guild wars, played diablo 3 briefly while waiting for gw2 release and gw2 was released. i was happy. i played spvp purely for the first months and decided to level 1 character to 80. then i found the pve great and stopped spvp . i didn’t mind that people were getting legendaries within 1 month, playing at my own pace because i know that i can get maxed within a shorttime and do wvwvw or go back to spvp again. or i could just raise my numbers (gold, mats up) and level alts, or explore tyria. i was not worried about getting outdated.

i was “happily married and secure” till my wife, the game, started to “go to Las Vegas and gamble.” now it’s still ok, i still play it but im projecting that if “she doesn’t stop going to Las Vegas and camping near the slot machine”, i might get bankrupt.

The reason that i’m sticking is that i have no choice but to play the game and to help it stir to what i think is the right direction. it has a sentimental value to me. i know things change but i have to remind the devs why change is not always the solution. do you know why vintage cars cost more than the latest car? do you know why antiques sell more? do you know why we still keep the values like word of honor and integrity highly?

i love the game. i want the game to be good and high quality. that’s why i state my complaints which i can wrap as suggestions. and im glad that im not alone.

Oreoz.2573, I like you.

Masaki.2153:

I will venture to say that it will get worse. They want you in the cash shop.

The less you can make ingame, the more likely you will open your wallet.

That’s not the case though, I won’t buy anything from the store if this is how things continue. Not like I do on a regular basis but I like buying skins and such, loot being at an all time low and no way decent way to make gold means no incentive to do anything. I don’t want to play the market, I don’t want to buy gold off the cash shop, I just want to play, and yeah that includes farming. I don’t mind farming, but apparently ANet does.. they think it’s some evil force yet we were allowed to do it for the entire duration of GW1.

It’s so obvious what they are doing I can’t believe they are actually doing it – and staying silent about it. Just low. They are only tarnishing their name more and more every week/month and it’s honestly just very sad to me to see my favorite company stoop to such levels. I am just an old GW fan though they don’t care about me, only the new demographic grinding away and most likely throwing money at the cash shop making things worse for people that don’t like being forced to pay a monthly fee, let’s face it this isn’t much different.

They nerf every possible farm but dungeons, further demolishing the population of tyria in general, not to mention fractals but they’ve admitted to that fail. What they haven’t admitted is they are trying to force players into the cash shop, and that will only leave a bad taste in everyones mouth. This will back fire, trust me. That’s why I’m not even mad about it simply disgusted, they’ll learn their lesson soon enough I’ve seen it happen tons with games and cash shops.

My disappointment in ANet and this game just keeps adding up, idk how much I can take.

All I know is I might be breaking off GW2 fo a while until this crap blows over.

alcopaul.2156:

@Dogblaster.6713

my relationship with guildwars 2 is like marriage. i bonded with the gw franchise since 2005 and i’ve never played any games but guild wars, played diablo 3 briefly while waiting for gw2 release and gw2 was released. i was happy. i played spvp purely for the first months and decided to level 1 character to 80. then i found the pve great and stopped spvp . i didn’t mind that people were getting legendaries within 1 month, playing at my own pace because i know that i can get maxed within a shorttime and do wvwvw or go back to spvp again. or i could just raise my numbers (gold, mats up) and level alts, or explore tyria. i was not worried about getting outdated.

i was “happily married and secure” till my wife, the game, started to “go to Las Vegas and gamble.” now it’s still ok, i still play it but im projecting that if “she doesn’t stop going to Las Vegas and camping near the slot machine”, i might get bankrupt.

The reason that i’m sticking is that i have no choice but to play the game and to help it stir to what i think is the right direction. it has a sentimental value to me. i know things change but i have to remind the devs why change is not always the solution. do you know why vintage cars cost more than the latest car? do you know why antiques sell more? do you know why we still keep the values like word of honor and integrity highly?

i love the game. i want the game to be good and high quality. that’s why i state my complaints which i can wrap as suggestions. and im glad that im not alone.

man I get you And i like your post here.

I dont want guild wars 2 to change either. I never complained at forums. I dont care about ascended at all and I am not mad about it. I was pretty happy with the game before the lost shores and I am pretty happy now

I just believe arenanet will do good decisions I dont want vertical progression , even when I know I would be one among the first players who would achive that gear but I dont want it.

I play guild wars 2 for the skins only. I am farming legendary for 3 months now 10 hours a day and I love it! I am doing dungeons, farming cursed shore, wvw and I am doing that only for the skin.

I never felt any shortage on the gold. I always had enought of them, not fortune, but enought.

1) while i don’t agree it needs to be decrease….maybe give the silver at end of the path and possibly add same dr as tokens

2) bugged loot drops is what needs to be fixed here….lots of threads no replies…champ vet increase loot…nope didn’t happen…what happened is everything else got bugged….fix the bug fix the problem

3)zaishen quests in gw1 were rather successful. i dont see any reason why they wouldn’t also be here

4)<—-adding…grinding the game dungeons, etc…. etc…. may seem like the fastest way to earn gold, but it’s not even close…TP hands down is the easiest/fastest way…the only difference is where the gold is coming from…ask many of the “wealthy” (1000+gold) players how they got it….i’d put my wager on the TP

Essentially, a proper dungeon LFG tool is needed ~ even with GW2LFG.com its quite possible to be LFG for hours trying to get a dungeon group, because most people want fractals and only a fraction of players actually use that website.

Anet, give us the tools in-game ~

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

Essentially, a proper dungeon LFG tool is needed ~ even with GW2LFG.com its quite possible to be LFG for hours trying to get a dungeon group, because most people want fractals and only a fraction of players actually use that website.

Anet, give us the tools in-game ~

Join a dungeon guild. You don’t even need to be on the same server to run dungeons with people.

Rukia.4802:

Masaki.2153:

I will venture to say that it will get worse. They want you in the cash shop.

The less you can make ingame, the more likely you will open your wallet.

That’s not the case though, I won’t buy anything from the store if this is how things continue. Not like I do on a regular basis but I like buying skins and such, loot being at an all time low and no way decent way to make gold means no incentive to do anything. I don’t want to play the market, I don’t want to buy gold off the cash shop, I just want to play, and yeah that includes farming. I don’t mind farming, but apparently ANet does.. they think it’s some evil force yet we were allowed to do it for the entire duration of GW1.

It’s so obvious what they are doing I can’t believe they are actually doing it – and staying silent about it. Just low. They are only tarnishing their name more and more every week/month and it’s honestly just very sad to me to see my favorite company stoop to such levels. I am just an old GW fan though they don’t care about me, only the new demographic grinding away and most likely throwing money at the cash shop making things worse for people that don’t like being forced to pay a monthly fee, let’s face it this isn’t much different.

They nerf every possible farm but dungeons, further demolishing the population of tyria in general, not to mention fractals but they’ve admitted to that fail. What they haven’t admitted is they are trying to force players into the cash shop, and that will only leave a bad taste in everyones mouth. This will back fire, trust me. That’s why I’m not even mad about it simply disgusted, they’ll learn their lesson soon enough I’ve seen it happen tons with games and cash shops.

My disappointment in ANet and this game just keeps adding up, idk how much I can take.

All I know is I might be breaking off GW2 fo a while until this crap blows over.

I agree with everything your saying!

I remember when this game was designed for everyone evenly, these days i don’t feel that way at all.

Everything feels like a grind in game now, even a simple thing as leveling up feels harder now than it did.
My latest Alt is always 2 levels behind when completing a map, a few months ago i was exactly at the req level, have they lowered the exp amounts? i do many many events in game and still i’m behind the req level, so much grind..

If its not exp its gold or mats or whatever else Anet wants to limit us with, yes i play many hours but i still consider myself a casual player.

I don’t ever think i’ll get a Legendary weapon and even if i did i’d just sell it for the 350 gold it makes me, as i can buy so much more needed items than 1 silly weapon to boost my ego..

Dante.1508:

I remember when this game was designed for everyone evenly, these days i don’t feel that way at all.

Everything feels like a grind in game now, even a simple thing as leveling up feels harder now than it did.
My latest Alt is always 2 levels behind when completing a map, a few months ago i was exactly at the req level, have they lowered the exp amounts? i do many many events in game and still i’m behind the req level, so much grind..

If its not exp its gold or mats or whatever else Anet wants to limit us with, yes i play many hours but i still consider myself a casual player.

I don’t ever think i’ll get a Legendary weapon and even if i did i’d just sell it for the 350 gold it makes me, as i can buy so much more needed items than 1 silly weapon to boost my ego..

The game is still designed for everyone evenly … I dont get what are you saying here?

IS anyone discrimintaed for their race, gender, class, profession somehow?

Last time I ve checked everyone could play as much as me, they could farm the same thing as me … Or did they put some timer on how much you can play per day?

If they made everyone have the same amoun of gold per day, farm the same time only, wouldnt they discriminate players like me, those who wants to play 10+ hours day? Those who wants to be the best? I think ye they would.

So please stop saying that someone is discrimintaed. No one is. Everyone has same rights and opportunities. Everyone can make the same gold per day, Everyone. Only difference is how much we want to

Dante, I would assume the game is feeling like a grind for you because you are getting burnt out/bored with the game.

The game hasn’t changed really, only your view of it.

Once I ve heard this …

If you dont have time for certain activities (Guild Wars for instance) ITS ONLY because you didnt make time for it. You choose to do something else instead.

I choosed to play guild wars 2 instead of going out with my friend, girlfriend, watching movie, etc. You choosed to go out with your wife, kid, dog .. That is what you decided to do.

Everyone is his own master and does what he wants. Not what hes forced to do.

Arenanet already SAID that they are rewarding the players who are playing the game. Not those who are not playing it.

Dante.1508:

I remember when this game was designed for everyone evenly, these days i don’t feel that way at all.

Everything feels like a grind in game now, even a simple thing as leveling up feels harder now than it did.
My latest Alt is always 2 levels behind when completing a map, a few months ago i was exactly at the req level, have they lowered the exp amounts? i do many many events in game and still i’m behind the req level, so much grind..

If its not exp its gold or mats or whatever else Anet wants to limit us with, yes i play many hours but i still consider myself a casual player.

I don’t ever think i’ll get a Legendary weapon and even if i did i’d just sell it for the 350 gold it makes me, as i can buy so much more needed items than 1 silly weapon to boost my ego..

Totally agree with this. The more i played, the more need of grind i found. Some people say you casual player should achieve things longer then the others.True and agree. But the fact is, i can’t see i’m close to my aim, it’s even more far away from me than before. It’s like i can never achieve anything. What’s the point to play.

Problem: the grind for endgame aesthetic “allegedly legendary” items is long and boring to the point of ridiculous and has gotten worse which gives the illusion that it’s a never ending inflation. Gold is slow to gain and thus players can’t just opt to ignore some of the ridiculous requirements, leading to the need to “play the market” something not everyone is comfortable with.

Answer as to why you can’t just remove the grind now:
Players have done the grinding, the paying through the nose, the mind numbing boredom of it all, or got lucky or whatnot.
To change it now will never be stood for, you can’t make it easier because they’d kick up a stink. People are just like that, they get their foot in the door early, then demand to everyone inside that it gets welded shut to prevent anyone else in… rofl…

There’s nothing legendary about the weapons, you’re honestly just better off leaving them be, there’s no status symbol attached to it, there’s no real achievement of getting it save for a mild delusion that it’s something important and finally they aren’t worth bothering with in terms of stats

The only real reason to go for them aside from aesthetics, which is something you shouldn’t break your back for if you have sense. Is that there’s not much else to do in which case you’re in the same boat as the people who barely play the game anymore and consider it a failure in it’s current state

do anyone even read the post?

You guys keep talking about grinding etc. The post is asking about balancing of the reward between different type of players. Why is that dungeon runner get more reward for people that dont’ do dungeon etc.

I’m not personally bothered that only dungeon runner get the most reward. I’m just confused why people say things like there isn’t much grind, they can get 10-20 gold a day just running dungeons and some other things. Which is exactly the complaint is about. You get 10-20 gold a day because you run dungeon. If people dont’ run dungeon they get less reward.

^ This ~ Basically, its one of the many ways which is seriously limiting the players options. If you ‘do’ want to go down the legendary path without buying gold, you’re going to either have to play the market very aggressively, or do Dungeon speed runs for weeks on end – even if you are earning 2g per hour – you want one of the more expensive Legendary items like Twilight, you guys realize that could be as much as 400 hours of nothing but gold grinding ~ I don’t know about you guys, but to me ~ that sounds like a job/work.

Even some of the most hardest achievements in WoW didn’t even take half as long to get. Even in Everquest II some of the legendary items are far easier to get. In fact, as far as Legendary items go ~ I think GW2 has them all beat in terms of acquring them, not because its hard – but because its incredibly boring to do so. So most of the people who currently have them, cheated/purchased gold/botted/etc – very small % of players probably did get one legitimately but I digress – this discussion is about levelling the playing field so its balanced.

You can easily say, well dungeons runners much like raiders should get the best stuff. In some ways, thats true ~ but that should only apply to certain aspects like loot. If you start forcing people into running dungeons just for a farming gold aspect and then, nerf the entire game except dungeons – then you’re going to have alot of angry players.

There was another F2P (pay to win) game last year called Eden Eternal, dungeons was the best way to level job classes, also the best way to earn coin. Good players could even solo them, for a while the game was doing pretty well until they nerfed dungeons so the exp became terrible, and the money earned also dried up. The reason for the nerf was to get more people to use the cash shop ~ you know what actually happened to the game? In the space of a month it lost 80% of the entire population playing the game, they was forced to merge the servers together and even though, the game is still alive ~ just bearly hanging on for life.

Its not secret that anet want more gem shop sales ~ however, nerfing practically everything ~ forcing players to buy gold is a terrible marketing strategy and gives the game a heavy negative outlook. The best way for the game to start getting positive feedback starts with the game being re-balanced again so whatever your style of play, you can remain competitive and viable though-out – like what was originally promised. Right now, the game is heading in the opposite direction – and you wonder why so many people are angry?

Topic at hand: I know what to do to make a lot of gold fast. It’s not hidden from the general population. Can it be boring as all heck? To some, sure. Me personally? Depends on my mood. Should every minute played have the same reward? No. Time plus effort equals reward. Don’t feeling like putting up the effort? Your choice. If you want gold, either put in the effort to run dungeons or put in the effort to gain it elsewhere. If your choice of fun doesn’t seem to be making you enough money, then either concede to not having the cash fast or find some fun that makes you the money.

You can’t kitten about the game being “designed for casuals” while whining about not having what others have. True casual players just want to be able to sit down any time and do what they enjoy for however long they can. Not having hundreds of gold doesn’t prevent this.

Dogblaster.6713:

alcopaul.2156:

you sure about that? because simple prediction methods will lead you to thinking that they will add legendary armors and trinkets to make them compatible with the weapons.

I am sure about that go read it once more

also they said Legendary weapons are always going to be on pair with best weapons ingame = now exotics, soon ascended weapons.. So even if they did add legendary armor(I dont think they will) in future, it will be same stat wise as ascended armor

Legendary weapons are only and only about skins. They have THE SAME stats as exotics and they will have exactly the same stats as ascended weapons. Btw Why would ANYONE EVER craft legendary acessories with same stats as ascended when you only see the icon ?

Because when the next tier hits(*), the legendaries will supposedly be updated for it, while ascended items won’t.

Of course, raising of a level cap will likely invalidate them as well. That’s progress, after all.

(*)They said they won’t want to add next tier in foreseeable future (meaning – they don’t have a date for it yet). They said they will keep increasing stats without changing tiers. They also said that legendaries will always be bumped up to any new tier (which means they do think about introducing next ones, even if they don’t plan it just yet)

I’m with you OP, BUT;

I believe that nothing has to be REDUCED, instead some things must be RAISED in this game. Everything is already nerfed/reduced enough.

I think we have to wait until arenanet rolls out the “alternative” ways to acquire the ascended gear before we will really know if to much grind is involved or not..

All i know is the way they released ascended gear via fractals only has hurt the game overall in the sense that there is not as much going on in the world because everyone is doing the fractals..

However i can see in the games current direction that casual players may fall somewhat behind..

Nevertheless i still have a blast playing this game and appreciate the many things that anet did well in the original release but the sometimes the heavy handed nerfing and new additions to the game have to make one wonder if they have any idea what their fanbase/players want..

The constant nerfing of already abysmally bad rewards and loot across the game is causing this problem. Rare drops: nerfed into the ground recently (you’ll get less rares farming Cursed Shore in 3 days than you used to get in 15 minutes).

I think it’s clear that ArenaNet want the game to be a Korea-style super-grinder with such poor loot that you’re forced to buy gems to convert to gold if you actually want to get anything done.

“Hi Sin,
So yep you are right this is the question i have been likely dodging the most? The reason being is that it requires investigation. Vet and Champs should give good loot and there are a number of reports on perceived decrease in the frequency of drops. I will be discussing this in depth with the Production and Design team tomorrow and we will hopefully have more info soon.
Chris”

Just finished reviewing the AMA completely (because it was pointed out on another thread that I like many were missing some things. The question of loot in open world as well as the effectiveness of MF (or lack thereof) and the problems with the loot from vets and champs was posed in the AMA last minute.

I barely caught it myself but it was there and yes he was avoiding it originally but someone snuck it in last minute and he answered it. It’s a satisfactory answer to know that they are working on the problem by investigating it. Hopefully they will see there is an issue since it’s not just happening to 1% of us on a daily basis since the unid dye drop rate nerf.