Guild Wars 2

Perhaps make it stack across the party instead of average, then? Would this end up with ludicrous MF? Yes, but only for those parties who went entirely MF, who I feel should be rewarded for their extra difficulty.

Also, the same people that say “it’s not fair that my party members are benefitting from my MF” are strangely quiet on, say, party members benefiting from their Healing Power or Boon Duration stat. Yes, MF can’t be traited, but it is still a stat on gear. It’s the same deal: You make the investment, others benefit. But so do you. Funny thing about it being a team game.

If other games tried to average MF stats for party-wide, then I can easily understand why the implementation was hated there. In order to get decent MF, the whole party had to have it which was the exact same as when it is individual. By making it stack, you only need one person to have it and everyone benefits. more than they would have otherwise. Alternatively, farming runs could run all MF on all members and be more lucrative.

However, I would suggest that consumeable and account MF boosts do not contribute to the party MF stat. The reason why is that there is no tradeoff for using those as opposed to another boost and it would also rein in the effects on the economy some.

So many here are blaming players for using what Anet gave them. The armor sets with MF were not magically created by the players. Put the blame where it belongs, Anet gave it, realized they would have some with more desirable loot than others, and removed it. End or discussion. It has nothing to do with balance. And get used to a bs trait replacing it. Like +exploration xp or something equally as worthless to level 80’s. I understand player loyalty to the gaming companies, it’s misplaced but I understand it.

I’ve talked to players and read in game chat many are going back to WOW. They would rather pay to play, then play for free. That speaks volumes.

“Dude, how was Guild wars 2? Any new dungeons, or uber weapons added? What, all they did was add jump games and ruin the loot? Glad I stayed here..”

what a hell shoud i do whit my magic find gear ? i dont get that part seriosly

Gele.2048:

what a hell shoud i do whit my magic find gear ? i dont get that part seriosly

Wait like some are, or dump it. Hard to say..

Gele.2048:

what a hell shoud i do whit my magic find gear ? i dont get that part seriosly

Use it before it gets removed. Just like you did for the last 3 or so months, since the last time they said they are considering MF removal.

well.. since they never said they were going to NERF mf, I don’t think you have anything to worry about…

emendez.3705:

It’s just another example how the vocal minority gets what they want and the quiet majority will have to adapt to this.

For various reasons, I’ve come to think of this argument as “the Canadian Girlfriend Fallacy”.

They will nerf MF. There’s no way they’re going to let me have >180 base magic find like I have now.

The player chooses to have the stats they have. If MF is causing people to whine about how their easy PvE content is wiping them, then maybe they could display the % MF all party members have and then you could choose to boot them

Anet is nerfing options and nerfing fun. I don’t want to use the same old Berserkers gear like everyone else to farm.

All I want is to be able to convert my MF gear and accessories into the stats of my choosing. I like the idea of having account wide MF, I can farm with whatever toon I choose and not always have to go with my main. I just hope to be able to eventually crank it up to 250+ like I do now.

Also, not hearing all the whining about how selfish I am from the guy that I am rezzing after soloing the boss is going to be a relief. The whole gimping your character argument might be true, but gimping my character has made me a better player cause I have to rely on skill and not stat. The ones that think that I am getting carried by the rest of the team cause I wear MF have no clue what they are talking about but I guess they QQ’d enough to bring change and who knows, it might be a good thing.

I wonder if they will start whining about using MF food next cause there are foods that give you better stats and you are not running a max efficiency if you are using MF food.

As long as there are spoiled, entitled, pretentious dumbkittens in this game, ANET is always going to pander to them. Right now, people care about what armor stats you bring to the party, but once that is solved for with the exclusion of MF, people are going to start complaining about what consumables you’re using. That said, you can bet that GF is going to get a nerf because too many people are going to complain about the guy who uses Omnom bars in their party.

Dog.1472:

Some of you don’t seem to understand the issue with magic find at all. The problem is that you are purposely gimping yourself, choosing to be weaker in order to get better rewards. This is both incredibly selfish and incredibly disrespectful to those you are playing with. If you use MF in any way except solo play, you are a leech and a horrible person.

It doesn’t matter at all if the new system can achieve as much as the old, the only thing that matter is that it’s gone. It is disgusting as it is now.

If you are telling other people how to play their game, that they paid for, with their free time, for their enjoyment. Because that’s how you play. You are a snob, and a horrible person. When you pay for their gear and their game, and their connection, then you can tell them how to play.

Neural.1824:

I’m amazed at how many people just blindly trust Arenanet to simply shift MF values from one source to another. Really? You honestly believe they aren’t going to churn out some kitten replacement that will only be at most 50% effective over the original system?

Oh, and they said that MF is going to be moved to consumables?

What was it the MF haters were demanding? Oh yeah, an “inspect” feature.

Now they get their cake and can eat it too. MF is being removed from gear, and if you dare to use a MF boost, it will show up in your buffs, resulting in a party kick.

I can see it now “LFG CoFp1 Warriors/mesmers only, No MF boosts”

You assume the MF consumeables won’t stack with current food/drink buffs.

Sleel.8365:

Dog.1472:

Some of you don’t seem to understand the issue with magic find at all. The problem is that you are purposely gimping yourself, choosing to be weaker in order to get better rewards. This is both incredibly selfish and incredibly disrespectful to those you are playing with. If you use MF in any way except solo play, you are a leech and a horrible person.

It doesn’t matter at all if the new system can achieve as much as the old, the only thing that matter is that it’s gone. It is disgusting as it is now.

If you are telling other people how to play their game, that they paid for, with their free time, for their enjoyment. Because that’s how you play. You are a snob, and a horrible person. When you pay for their gear and their game, and their connection, then you can tell them how to play.

What part of co-operative play do you not understand? How unbelievably selfish do you need to be not to see how wasting other people’s time for your own benefit is a poorly implemented system?

When you run content with other people, it is very simple, you are either playing to the best of your ability, or, if you ran with MF, you are choosing to hold everyone back for your own greed.

Your “argument” is the most utterly ridiculous self righteous bull crap I’ve ever heard.

You do whatever you want to do solo, but when you decide to group up with other people, you’re godkitten right I’m going to start telling you how to play.

Dog.1472:

Sleel.8365:

Dog.1472:

Some of you don’t seem to understand the issue with magic find at all. The problem is that you are purposely gimping yourself, choosing to be weaker in order to get better rewards. This is both incredibly selfish and incredibly disrespectful to those you are playing with. If you use MF in any way except solo play, you are a leech and a horrible person.

It doesn’t matter at all if the new system can achieve as much as the old, the only thing that matter is that it’s gone. It is disgusting as it is now.

If you are telling other people how to play their game, that they paid for, with their free time, for their enjoyment. Because that’s how you play. You are a snob, and a horrible person. When you pay for their gear and their game, and their connection, then you can tell them how to play.

What part of co-operative play do you not understand? How unbelievably selfish do you need to be not to see how wasting other people’s time for your own benefit is a poorly implemented system?

When you run content with other people, it is very simple, you are either playing to the best of your ability, or, if you ran with MF, you are choosing to hold everyone back for your own greed.

Your “argument” is the most utterly ridiculous self righteous bull crap I’ve ever heard.

You do whatever you want to do solo, but when you decide to group up with other people, you’re godkitten right I’m going to start telling you how to play.

Yeah. That’s not self righteous bull crap at all.

Pot? Meet Kettle

emendez.3705:

I’m someone who has invested so much to get full magic find gear and with buffs/food/gear i have 300% magic find. I choose magic find because I only do wvw and magic find build really makes sense. I find it HARD TO BELIEVE that any system they come out with will satisfy me when I’m accustom to a certain amount of magic find. Lets face it, the magic find will be no where near the magic find cap someone can get which was 327% before achievement buffs. It’s just another example how the vocal minority gets what they want and the quiet majority will have to adapt to this.

I basically agree (although I run magic find in open world, not wvw) and was joking with a guild mate that after they give everyone what’s essentially a flat magic find consumable, they might as well just do the same with gold.

No, not gold find. Gold. They’re normalizing gold drops across the game, right? Well, why not cut out the middle man? Just mail everyone an allowance of gold based on the time they spend playing the game! Ha! Again, we’re joking, nevertheless, it’s fun to think about.

What do I really believe? I think magic find is the ideal gear for open world farming. You know, temples, or living story chains (southsun instigators), or world bosses.

In WvW, I play for a fun and hardcore guild that would seriously frown on that. However, even a PUG running magic find can carry 10 supply, so they’re cool with me. It can’t be much worse than a new player or someone leveling a character. Also, guild magic find wvw nights (a rare thing in my current guild) were fun because when you won, you knew it was due to skill. Personally, I think if too many people are running magic find it’s a problem in wvw if it starts affecting your ability to win. In this case, most normal people would switch into stronger gear at that point.

As far as dungeons go, besides maybe just a few trinkets, I doubt people run magic find. I just don’t see what the problem was originally, to be honest. It takes a choice away from players.

So much talking from people who don’t even seem to comprehend the issue.

Do you wonder why so much of the PvE content in the game is so easy? And when it is hard..it’s not because the actual combat is difficult but because the “DDR-style” moves are difficult? And why defensive stats seem unrewarded and everybody can just rely

It’s because they are balancing encounters in the game with the assumption that everybody might be using Magic Find. Because, how can they not? They put it in the game and encouraged it’s use in one of the worst decisions the developers made in this game!

Also worrying about whether the new system will be an exact match or more or less loot is silly…. not to point out the obvious, but the developers have control of the loot tables and give you exactly as much loot as they want to give you. You’re not cheating the system with magic find, they EXPECT you to be using it.

Dog.1472:

Sleel.8365:

Dog.1472:

Some of you don’t seem to understand the issue with magic find at all. The problem is that you are purposely gimping yourself, choosing to be weaker in order to get better rewards. This is both incredibly selfish and incredibly disrespectful to those you are playing with. If you use MF in any way except solo play, you are a leech and a horrible person.

It doesn’t matter at all if the new system can achieve as much as the old, the only thing that matter is that it’s gone. It is disgusting as it is now.

If you are telling other people how to play their game, that they paid for, with their free time, for their enjoyment. Because that’s how you play. You are a snob, and a horrible person. When you pay for their gear and their game, and their connection, then you can tell them how to play.

What part of co-operative play do you not understand? How unbelievably selfish do you need to be not to see how wasting other people’s time for your own benefit is a poorly implemented system?

When you run content with other people, it is very simple, you are either playing to the best of your ability, or, if you ran with MF, you are choosing to hold everyone back for your own greed.

Your “argument” is the most utterly ridiculous self righteous bull crap I’ve ever heard.

You do whatever you want to do solo, but when you decide to group up with other people, you’re godkitten right I’m going to start telling you how to play.

Nobody tells me how to play, either solo or in a group. Read yourself and see how what you are accusing the above poster ALSO applies to yourself. I also would be careful in the hypocrisy of calling current MF gear users “selfish” without knowing NOTHING about them; in fact, it IS selfish to “command” others to bring this or that gear to a party (MF gear does potentially more damage than a few other gear stat combos; should you tell those players too to use the gear YOU want them to use because “it will drop the mobs faster”.)

In short, the selfish argument is selfish in itself because it’s born out of elitism for the most part, which couldn’t be a more selfish sentiment. I never used MF gear on Dungeons (have my own full Exotic MF gear on my Guardian for Orr and easier areas), but was never selfish enough to demand people in my party to gear up and play the way I wanted them to, as they are entitled to their own choices and playstyle. Not everyone that used MF gear was a “leech”, and many supposedly “leet” players can actually hold back a group more because “the right gear” doesn’t mean the player is skilled at all.

Seeing as MF is NOT getting nerfed and GF hasn’t been talked about; is there a reason for this thread to exist? It’s just going to confuse people. MF is NOT getting nerfed.