Guild Wars 2

If an exploit is defined as consciously making a decision to misuse an imperfection in the game code to gain an unfair/illegal advantage, despite the set code of conduct says this is an unacceptable behavior, then why are we not reporting those who misuse the grenade barrage/grenade kit trait bug??

Until ANet issues a hotfix for this, isn’t it fully within our right to report these people for exploiting??

No.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Exploiting-Bans-and-Suspensions/first#post5237964

RapidSausage.4620:

If an exploit is defined as consciously making a decision to misuse an imperfection in the game code to gain an unfair/illegal advantage, despite the set code of conduct says this is an unacceptable behavior, then why are we not reporting those who misuse the grenade barrage/grenade kit trait bug??

Until ANet issues a hotfix for this, isn’t it fully within our right to report these people for exploiting??

No.

Anet made a post concerning guardians and their symbol bug that is proving so broken, and said that while they were disabling the offending trait until it’s fixed, they did not consider it actionable to use that trait.

Let me put it to you this way. This isn’t like some gimmick where if you do several things in unison, something unexpected happen. This is a standard ability of a standard class, and ANET would have to punish people just for using a skill. They have said in another post that they aren’t going to do that.

However, they can make an end run like they just did with Symbolic Avenger and disable it until they find a fix.

So, no, people simply using a trait or skill aren’t going to get in trouble.

Darn you dark saviour, how dare you ninja my lengthy post with a simple link to the anet comment! DARN YOU!! DARN YOU TO HECK!!!!

How would one go about seperating those who use the trait to exploit the bug from those who use it without knowing about the bug?

RapidSausage.4620:

If an exploit is defined as consciously making a decision to use the game code to gain an advantage

This is the definition of an exploit. An exploit isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and sometimes it can even be a good thing as it adds an extra layer of knowledge to what is required to do well, with one requirement: it must be accessible to everyone. The problem is not with the players, the problem is with Anet.

Until ANet issues a hotfix for this, isn’t it fully within our right to report these people for exploiting??

No, exploits are not a ban-able offense. The Engineer Grenade Barrage right now does feel incredibly broken. In real life that many grenades would turn somebody to mush, but this isn’t real life. Petition Anet to rework the skill so that the skill functions in a balanced manner. You can’t hold a player accountable for using the skills that the developer gave them in a competitive environment. I am 100% with you that this needs to be changed, but it’s not going to be changed at all by reporting the player.

It’s stupid high dps, yes. But don’t get all kitten-y about it and start trying to report people for just playing their class. Itll be fixed eventually.

While there are Exploits that will result in Bans because they are just that bad. Things like Grenade Barrage or the Guardian Abuse are due to balancing mistakes or Oversights and will not result in Bans. Anet can’t just Ban all of the People who play their Class. The only thing they an do, is to fix the Issue.
And what should the People do? Stop playing their Class?

There are definitely people that have gone out of their ways to take advantage of the mistake, no one is denying that, but with the Guardian trait and Grenade Barrage, both are things that a normal player of those classes would have chosen to use, bugged or not.

It wouldn’t be fair to have those people reported for playing their class they way they always would have just because Anet messed up their codings or whatever, and there’s no way to definitively tell when someone is just playing the game normally or when they are taking advantage.

Agreed it should not be a reportable offense that is punished but it is acting in an unforseen way and so should be fixed like Symbolic Avenger.

Well what i know is that currently (and especially in pvp), every engineer i have come across runs grenade kit with trait plus elixir S and use the stealth to then instagib people with the bugged grenade barrage.

If ANet won’t count that as a (temporary) bannable exploit, they better do something about it real quick cuz it’s becoming an epidemic.

Speaking as someone who rarely goes to the website and mains an engineer, I’ve been using that trait because I like grenades and use them as my main source of damage since launch with condi gear. Its fun for me. I didn’t even know they were bugged or given too high damage or whatever the issue is (I actually don’t know so if anybody could calmly describe the issue I’d love to know). Much different than exploiting something to profit. Many of us playing weren’t even aware since so much changed last patch. Hard to know whats intended for those who don’t pay attention to numbers.

jblade.6470:

Speaking as someone who rarely goes to the website and mains an engineer, I’ve been using that trait because I like grenades and use them as my main source of damage since launch with condi gear. Its fun for me. I didn’t even know they were bugged or given too high damage or whatever the issue is (I actually don’t know so if anybody could calmly describe the issue I’d love to know). Much different than exploiting something to profit. Many of us playing weren’t even aware since so much changed last patch. Hard to know whats intended for those who don’t pay attention to numbers.

Basically, when grenade kit is traited, the grenades strike twice, and grenade barrage receives like 12 grenades.

So in essence each grenade is twice as effective, and grenade barrage is 4x as effective.

People combine that with throw elixir S to catch people off guard and instagib then with zerker gear.

RapidSausage.4620:

Basically, when grenade kit is traited, the grenades strike twice, and grenade barrage receives like 12 grenades.

So in essence each grenade is twice as effective, and grenade barrage is 4x as effective.

People combine that with throw elixir S to catch people off guard and instagib then with zerker gear.

Oh wow haha I can see where that’s an issue is pvp/wvw. I mainly do pve (spent lat 2 days looking for gold badges in silverwastes which was fun) so harder to notice. Thanks for the explanation. As much as I would enjoy being more powerful that’s a bit much and probably ruins pvp.

RapidSausage.4620:

Well what i know is that currently (and especially in pvp), every engineer i have come across runs grenade kit with trait plus elixir S and use the stealth to then instagib people with the bugged grenade barrage.

If ANet won’t count that as a (temporary) bannable exploit, they better do something about it real quick cuz it’s becoming an epidemic.

Elixer S? That is really quite shady. I am running an HGH Grenadier build, but I use Elixers H, B, U, and X. I like how it plays, but the barrages right now are way OP. They really should fix this soon then, ’cause insta-downing from stealth is pretty screwy (even though some thieves can do this too, right?).

MiniEquine.6014:

RapidSausage.4620:

Well what i know is that currently (and especially in pvp), every engineer i have come across runs grenade kit with trait plus elixir S and use the stealth to then instagib people with the bugged grenade barrage.

If ANet won’t count that as a (temporary) bannable exploit, they better do something about it real quick cuz it’s becoming an epidemic.

Elixer S? That is really quite shady. I am running an HGH Grenadier build, but I use Elixers H, B, U, and X. I like how it plays, but the barrages right now are way OP. They really should fix this soon then, ’cause insta-downing from stealth is pretty screwy (even though some thieves can do this too, right?).

TBH I dont think even zerker thieves can instagib from stealth. Take a large chunk of hp sure, but most times you can respond.

MiniEquine.6014:

RapidSausage.4620:

Well what i know is that currently (and especially in pvp), every engineer i have come across runs grenade kit with trait plus elixir S and use the stealth to then instagib people with the bugged grenade barrage.

If ANet won’t count that as a (temporary) bannable exploit, they better do something about it real quick cuz it’s becoming an epidemic.

Elixer S? That is really quite shady. I am running an HGH Grenadier build, but I use Elixers H, B, U, and X. I like how it plays, but the barrages right now are way OP. They really should fix this soon then, ’cause insta-downing from stealth is pretty screwy (even though some thieves can do this too, right?).

(Insert thief post here stating that they can get away with it because they are squishy and have no blocks or invuls like other classes) though to be fair it is really only against other squishy targets.

The time ANet screwed up Descent Into Madness and it was doing more damage than intended, they called it an exploit and told players not to use it. How is this different?