Do you think that people who abused guesting to quickly farm numerous events should be punished for their actions?
IMO if they did it a lot then yes they should.
This behavior seems very similar to how early on in the game people would transfer servers (there was no lockout period/fee) to massively farm ori nodes (etc.). The only difference that I see is that guesting is used to quickly farm event chests for items vs. farming nodes. There were bans or inven wipes (I forget which they did) for those players that did transfers for gold/items. I feel that would be appropriate in this circumstance as well.
Abusing a system in an unintentional way for self gain should have repercussions.
I don’t know if they’ll wind up doing anything about it, but I feel that it would be justified if they did.
Just wondering what other people think about all of this
I don’t think it would be needed with the recent announcement of the future change. =)
Just because they found a way to help fix it doesn’t mean that the players that caused it to be a problem shouldn’t be punished for their prior abuses imo
Recent announcements has indicate that guesting is not the issue but people running their alts are. Obviously alts is not an exploit and I would hardly think guesting is an exploit since Anet implemented the system, clearly knowing what it is capable of. It is not hard to imagine that guesting will give you more ori nodes etc and ability to do other events on other servers which you were not capable of doing before hand. Even then the numbers are limited to 2 guest servers so it’s not ground breaking at all (else Oris wouldn’t be at 7s =.=)
Event wise, anet has already made a fix which is coming up in the next patch with NO indication that guesting is at fault.
Again, I have always known that guesting is not the issue since we have never experienced overflows in SoS when guesting was first implemented (this should be the obvious hint that guesting did not cause overflows but the increases rares brought everyone out on your server to the open world, thus overflows)
Last evidence is guest are always put in overflow as a priority so when you hit overflow, it’s not because your map is overrun with guest but your own players. Ironic isn’t it.
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
No, guesting is/was not the only reason for overflows.
No, the overflow problem will not be fixed with the coming update.
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
No, guesting is/was not the only reason for overflows.
No, the overflow problem will not be fixed with the coming update.
Effectively it should be fixed because they are reverting back to the old system but now with limitations. 1 per char and 1 guarantee rare per account. So what they’re doing is taking the old system but making it per character but with 1 rare addition. So now most people will return back to what they were doing since it’s no longer a guarantee rare per character after doing it once.
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
You’re not actually farming more chest, but you’re allowed to do them quicker. In fact, I believe one of the reasons guesting was implemented was to allow low population servers to do events they couldn’t do because of their low population. And it is also why the thread of where which server has a open temple of bathazar is promoted.
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
You’re not actually farming more chest, but you’re allowed to do them quicker. In fact, I believe one of the reasons guesting was implemented was to allow low population servers to do events they couldn’t do because of their low population. And it is also why the thread of where which server has a open temple of bathazar is promoted.
Being able to take every alt to do more events than you would be able to on just your own server (due to respawn times) would net you more ecto’s total. It is also faster if you do the guesting as well.
It would only be just faster if you had a few alts able to do these events.
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
You’re not actually farming more chest, but you’re allowed to do them quicker. In fact, I believe one of the reasons guesting was implemented was to allow low population servers to do events they couldn’t do because of their low population. And it is also why the thread of where which server has a open temple of bathazar is promoted.
Being able to take every alt to do more events than you would be able to on just your own server (due to respawn times) would net you more ecto’s total. It is also faster if you do the guesting as well.
It would only be just faster if you had a few alts able to do these events.
Thus as you have said yourself, this is an alt issue and having alts is not an exploit. It is people who have worked more than others and have more level 80 characters. Therefore, the issue is having the reward too rewarding (thus the account bound change).
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
It doesnt matter how I feel about it. Until such time as Anet states that it is in fact an exploit or, if Anet bans someone for doing it, it is not an exploit.
I love how everyone just assumes guesting was to blame for the overflows. Zero proof of it, Zero acknowledgement from any dev on the significance of it, I don’t think I have even seen an anecdote of someone seeing this mass of guesters come into a zone. Just a bunch of hyperbole. Gots to loves the internets.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the chests restricted to one per boss per character per day anyway? (And yes, I know the upcoming update will make it once per account instead of per character.) If so, how does guesting to another server to do the event there count as an exploit? They can still only get one chest per day, regardless of whether they did it on their home server or not. Unless you’re saying that somebody who did all the chests on all of their alts on their own home server is also exploiting?
The main problem that ANet is trying to fix with this update is the severe lag/culling that is occuring from too many people trying to do the world bosses. By limiting the rewards, they are aiming to cut down on the number of people present at each event, because there won’t be any reason to do the event more than once a day.
I seriously doubt that this change is because they were worried about the price of Ectos, as some people (not here) have suggested. More likely, they considered the fact that Ectos would rise as a result of this update, but they consider the trade-off for more playable world boss events to be acceptable.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the chests restricted to one per boss per character per day anyway? (And yes, I know the upcoming update will make it once per account instead of per character.) If so, how does guesting to another server to do the event there count as an exploit? They can still only get one chest per day, regardless of whether they did it on their home server or not. Unless you’re saying that somebody who did all the chests on all of their alts on their own home server is also exploiting?
The main problem that ANet is trying to fix with this update is the severe lag/culling that is occuring from too many people trying to do the world bosses. By limiting the rewards, they are aiming to cut down on the number of people present at each event, because there won’t be any reason to do the event more than once a day.
I seriously doubt that this change is because they were worried about the price of Ectos, as some people (not here) have suggested. More likely, they considered the fact that Ectos would rise as a result of this update, but they consider the trade-off for more playable world boss events to be acceptable.
It’s a mix of people not understanding the issue and blatantly blaming guesting because it’s always the immigrants who are stealing our jerbs!
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
You’re not actually farming more chest, but you’re allowed to do them quicker. In fact, I believe one of the reasons guesting was implemented was to allow low population servers to do events they couldn’t do because of their low population. And it is also why the thread of where which server has a open temple of bathazar is promoted.
Being able to take every alt to do more events than you would be able to on just your own server (due to respawn times) would net you more ecto’s total. It is also faster if you do the guesting as well.
It would only be just faster if you had a few alts able to do these events.
Thus as you have said yourself, this is an alt issue and having alts is not an exploit. It is people who have worked more than others and have more level 80 characters. Therefore, the issue is having the reward too rewarding (thus the account bound change).
It’s an issue with them using alts + guesting… it’s people using both parts together which could be seen as exploiting the guesting system. You couldn’t abuse it without both… but that doesn’t mean it’s just an alts issue. It’s what the players are doing (using something that’s meant for one thing for unintentional personal gain).
No, nobody will be punished because nothing was exploited.
So you feel that using guesting (which was intended for you to play with your friends) to basically act as a server transfer to farm more event chests isn’t exploiting?
It doesnt matter how I feel about it. Until such time as Anet states that it is in fact an exploit or, if Anet bans someone for doing it, it is not an exploit.
Ofc Ik that silly person :P
I was just looking to see other people’s opinions and I came to that logical conclusion. You can have a different one given the facts that we have and it’s totally fine.
I wouldn’t be upset if they did or didn’t punish people btw… It’s food for thought.
Also their reasons for changing this are irrelevant to weather or not a-net considers this abuse/exploiting (post too long with quote lol).
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the chests restricted to one per boss per character per day anyway? (And yes, I know the upcoming update will make it once per account instead of per character.) If so, how does guesting to another server to do the event there count as an exploit? They can still only get one chest per day, regardless of whether they did it on their home server or not. Unless you’re saying that somebody who did all the chests on all of their alts on their own home server is also exploiting?
The main problem that ANet is trying to fix with this update is the severe lag/culling that is occuring from too many people trying to do the world bosses. By limiting the rewards, they are aiming to cut down on the number of people present at each event, because there won’t be any reason to do the event more than once a day.
I seriously doubt that this change is because they were worried about the price of Ectos, as some people (not here) have suggested. More likely, they considered the fact that Ectos would rise as a result of this update, but they consider the trade-off for more playable world boss events to be acceptable.
In the next release we will adjust the way that world mega bosses award their loot. The current chests will stay lootable once per day per character, but each boss’s guaranteed rare item drop will be moved to a separate chest (visually similar to daily achievement reward chests) that can only be acquired once per day across an account.
Our intention with this change is to keep providing rewarding loot for world mega bosses while avoiding overwhelming participation in boss fights (and overwhelming the economy with rares) from players cycling through each character slot for each boss every day.
Yes, I did see that post. Nevertheless, I still believe that any economic correction is a side-benefit rather than the main purpose of the change.
Main purpose or not it’s irrelevant to if you consider (or don’t) this exploiting a system for personal gain for which it was not intended.
How do you know it is not intended? Surely anet must have foresaw that if they made character bound chest and guesting servers, people will do them on their alts as well as attempt to guest to other servers to try catch events faster. They by no means are exploiting anything but playing their characters?
What they didn’t foresee is the server load, which is corrected by making the chest account bound.
A much more define line of exploit is exploiting an error on anet’s part, like the recipe for snowflake or missing zeros at a karma merchant. Using guesting as intended and as implemented seems fine to me hmm.
i dont mind what others do unless affect me…well the other day i went to jormag and was put in overflow…so yeah it affect me, the local residents should not be put in overflows anymore.
i dont mind what others do unless affect me…well the other day i went to jormag and was put in overflow…so yeah it affect me, the local residents should not be put in overflows anymore.
You were put in overflow by your own local residents. Refer to my post above for more info.
In short, if guesting was the issue, anet would have simply removed or nerfed guesting.
Just ignore the guy. He’s either a troll, here to stir up some trouble, or a sick person who enjoys to see others suffer. If anyone is to choose if punishment is to be handed out, ANET will do it. Anyone going out ASKING that people be punished is the same kind of crazy who starts witch hunts.
Yes, I did see that post. Nevertheless, I still believe that any economic correction is a side-benefit rather than the main purpose of the change.
Main purpose or not it’s irrelevant to if you consider (or don’t) this exploiting a system for personal gain for which it was not intended.
How do you know it is not intended? Surely anet must have foresaw that if they made character bound chest and guesting servers, people will do them on their alts as well as attempt to guest to other servers to try catch events faster. They by no means are exploiting anything but playing their characters?
What they didn’t foresee is the server load, which is corrected by making the chest account bound.
A much more define line of exploit is exploiting an error on anet’s part, like the recipe for snowflake or missing zeros at a karma merchant. Using guesting as intended and as implemented seems fine to me hmm.
I don’t know for sure, but the part in the post about rares leads me in that direction.
They’ve also done many things that were not intended to be used in a certain way. Like the transfers being used for node farming… like the karma merchant that sold exotics super cheap… or the x-mas jewelry… and they punished people for all of those (despite people even asking if the jewelry was intended for quite a while).
Guesting was told to us to be a way we can play with friends on other servers. It said nothing about event farming.
All of that together makes me think that it wasn’t intended.
Just ignore the guy. He’s either a troll, here to stir up some trouble, or a sick person who enjoys to see others suffer. If anyone is to choose if punishment is to be handed out, ANET will do it. Anyone going out ASKING that people be punished is the same kind of crazy who starts witch hunts.
Relax man I’m not a troll nor trying to upset people. I feel I’ve kept the tone of what I’ve been saying to reflect that. I didn’t use a ton of caps and be all like… OMG BAN THESE PEOPLE NOW! lol
I just wanted a discussion and the people who have posted in here have been great ^^
Feel 100% free to disagree and put your reasoning. I’m not going to attack anyone for having a different opinion than I do.
I’m fairly certain that they won’t do anything to anyone whose done it. IMO it’s not abuse or exploiting. You could do all of these events on your alts on your home server and get all your chests, or save time by server jumping. The end result is the same. They haven’t gained any advantage over anyone else, they won’t have any more chests than me (assuming same # of alts). All they did was save time.
Do I agree with it, and would I do it? Nope. Still doesn’t make what they’re doing any sort of abuse or deserving of a ban in my eyes.
edit to add a bit more!
On your comparison to the Ori node bans early on.
Ori nodes were meant to be mined once per character(or is it account… I only have 1 80 lol) per spawn. It’s clear how bypassing that can be considered an exploit. But these chests were meant to be limited to 1 chest per character. They’re not bypassing this. They’re still restricted to it so I just don’t see how it’s an exploit.
I’m fairly certain that they won’t do anything to anyone whose done it. IMO it’s not abuse or exploiting. You could do all of these events on your alts on your home server and get all your chests, or save time by server jumping. The end result is the same. They haven’t gained any advantage over anyone else, they won’t have any more chests than me (assuming same # of alts). All they did was save time.
Do I agree with it, and would I do it? Nope. Still doesn’t make what they’re doing any sort of abuse or deserving of a ban in my eyes.
edit to add a bit more!
On your comparison to the Ori node bans early on.
Ori nodes were meant to be mined once per character(or is it account… I only have 1 80 lol) per spawn. It’s clear how bypassing that can be considered an exploit. But these chests were meant to be limited to 1 chest per character. They’re not bypassing this. They’re still restricted to it so I just don’t see how it’s an exploit.
Time is also money :P The faster you can do one thing then the faster you can move on to do another which would add to your income. Doing that can be seen as giving an unfair advantage over other players who do not use the guesting in this way.
Depending on the number of alts they may not have enough time to get them all done with the normal respawn rates… especially given their own RL schedules… thus the end result is they are able to obtain more ectos.
That’s why I was thinking only people that did it heavily could be considered to have exploited guesting.
The ori stuffs are also on a timer and they could have moved their character around and farmed, but instead took a short cut to get a lot quickly. It’s a longer timer on each node and there are some differences (I agree), but I find the actions of the players to be similar enough to warrant comparison.
But guesting is making the real issue more of a problem.
Being able to guest to server hop and get multiple ‘guaranteed rares’ is the problem. The problem didn’t exist when guesting was introduced because people were not server hopping to get these chests.
The fix coming in the next patch will fix the real issue, people wanting to guest to do multiple events on ALTs. Guesting is a good thing, and I’m glad it is remaining untouched.
Anyone who claims the overpopulated events are just from everyone on each server showing up to their own events is mistaken. While there has been a dramatic increase in ‘natives’ showing up for events, there has also been a dramatic increase in ‘illegal aliens’ showing up as well. This is due to the guesting, but guesting is NOT the real issue.
The fix in the next patch SHOULD fix most of the real issue. Seems like a great fix by ANet in my eyes.
Oh, and as far as the OP, while I despise people who use the guesting system to abuse the guaranteed rares and get multiple chests on ALTs, I do not believe they should be punished for it. They are simply using the system ANet put in place. I’m glad they are fixing the debacle they caused.
Now, if people were able to guest to another server and get another chest on ONE character, this would be an exploit and I say let the ban hammer drop.
I for one am scared for the impending ban for abusing guesting.
Along with pretty much +50% of the active population!
I wouldn’t worry much. Even if they do, they would only do it for the top abusers… the ones who obviously took advantage of the situation. That’s been their typical stance on such things. So unless you used massive numbers of alts all the time you should be fine if they do decide to do something (still unknown).
Oh, and as far as the OP, while I despise people who use the guesting system to abuse the guaranteed rares and get multiple chests on ALTs, I do not believe they should be punished for it. They are simply using the system ANet put in place. I’m glad they are fixing the debacle they caused.
Now, if people were able to guest to another server and get another chest on ONE character, this would be an exploit and I say let the ban hammer drop.
They’ve banned people for taking advantage of things they’ve put in place for one reason which were used for another in the past. Guesting = meant to help you play with friends, not use tons of alts to quickly get more ecto’s. By using the guesting to farm the events you are circumventing the timers put on these events. That gives the players doing this an advantage over the ones who didn’t.
Players end up in overflow when they show up for events now because the combination of “dragon timer and guaranteed rares and guesting” has simply led to a huge increase in participation. It’s not because of one of those things, it’s all of them together.
Players end up in overflow when they show up for events now because the combination of “dragon timer and guaranteed rares and guesting” has simply led to a huge increase in participation. It’s not because of one of those things, it’s all of them together.
Seems like you’re not reading the threads you’re posting in
I also know many other things which I don’t use because I feel they are exploits (such as Class bugs, map/structure issues etc. etc.). Not to mention there are better ways of getting rares than event farming…
