Guild Wars 2

I’m from Desolation server.

PPl are guesting our server for farming. Sometimes they are being agressive when u do the event that destroys their farming. They start trying to tell what to do and where to go like if they were your mom. (They never finish it so that enemies can keep spawning, and they are many to scale it up).
They are in farm-trains a Little bit of everywhere, both for Champs and World bosses. They cause Overflows on our server when World bosses spawn in some places, leaving us – the “real” inhabitants on an overflow… Rather annoying!

My suggestion is this:

Make guesting cost a fee! That would hopefully make some more ppl working on populating their own World instead of comming to ours that is already well populated.

When there becomes overflow;There is a que created. Let those from the HOME-SERVER in first!
Example: Tequatl, there is Always overflow. U usually have to be there at least an hour up front in order not to be put in overflow (u still risk getting ERRORS when it starts – leaving u waiting for an hour for no reason).
When u DO end up on the overflow. Let ppl in from Desolation to their own server first! Then, if there are any spots left the guesters can come!

I’m rather tired of being neglected content on my very own server (put on overflow) just because ppl from less populeted servers invade ours just because we have better farming here, bigger Groups to kill bosses etc… Populate u’r own server instead, please, for the love of god!!!

I feel like I’m being kicked out from my own server a bit too often now – due to GUESTERS!!!

Is there any way this will be balanced soon?

Thats not the way it works and it should never work like that. You guest and do something and you get kicked because you are guesting?
Really? That would make the system useless.

In your shoes I would just do some rounds around map and gather palatine. I often do it while I wait for TQ on Desolation.

It makes time go faster and earns me some TP gold. As for seeing people act like you mentioned. I don’t see it often and I would say it can be seen on most servers, not only yours.

I will strongly oppose any fee for guesting because it would ruin my fun from playing with friends from other servers.

Over all I think you are exaggerating. Only real reason I see is TQ guesting and as far as I know – you can waste that 1h if you really want to kill it or just do something in the map or watch movie and move every 30min so you won’t get kicked.

How do you know the majority of the players you see are guests and not from your own server?

whats this farm my friend? care to share?

I bet youre just kittened going to overflow everytime you want to tag along organized Teq runs

Problem is not guesting, problems are farm trains who think they are entitle

If you refering to champ train from frostgorge, we did that Guild rush who involves quaguans and killing the wurm champion to protect the rush. You have two options now
- anounce your guild is doing it and they shoud skipp Wrum for a while, but remember its allways one idiot who will complain… its allways is
- grief the whole zerg by messing with the train until they go away

I’ll answer a couple of u… If I do Teq (wich I do once ina great while for fun).. I DO spend that waiting hour doing other stuff. Then I’m hoping not to get an error and end up on overflow being (most likely) unable to sucess….

The farm. Whenever u enter Frsostgorge there is a HUGE train there farming Champs (wich I hate and never take part of). I have been there a couple of times to get some Dragonites for ascended craftng lately. Same goes for the Epyrial shards wich happened to be located at the Troll…. Many ppl in that farm train are Guests. Talk around listen to chat etc and u’ll find out.

I’m perfectly fine with Guild missions… Its an activity that takes part, not just some abusing crazed mega-zerg hysterical farming 24/7.

Tequatl. Most ppl ther are guests as their own server have too few ppl doing it in order to suceed…

Yesterday I ran onto a big Group pf french ppl farming linen on an event that they used (read “abused” instead). I came there and finished the event and that kittened them off quite badly….

Ppl find all ways of using the game, that are not the ways it was intended. When u act in a normal way, like killing a champ because u happened to pass by, doing an event because u pass by, try to get to a World boss on u’r own server… either u kitten ppl off or end up on an oveflow…

My experience is that these things tend to happen to me more often and in more places lately….

Finishing the event is NEVER wrong. Yes, it will irritate the farmers, but if they guested to your server, they can guest to another just as easily.

The best thing you can do is turn off map chat, play the way you want, and report anyone who harasses you after you complete an event.

My opinion about the farmers is “Let them farm.” Finishing events, however, is how the game was meant to be played.

On the other hand, if you’re just killing champs to throw off the train, then, my friend, you are the one who is griefing, and should be reported.

A quick word about Tequatl: Contact TTS (I think that’s their tag…) They organize Teq runs on overflows. Although I have never participated, I have heard they are quite successful.

Good luck to you.

Tequatl is a whole different kind, since the revamp of the event forces people directy to go for overflows or guest on high populated servers. If you are annoyed by that, vote also for a reverse of that event to the old state or at least to make it scale.

Else i personally do Jormag or Shatterer now and then on Desolation, and i only see a problem with that on Weekends that there are overflows especially at Jormag. I also did the champ train there sometimes later at night, and never saw a problem with aggressive people.

For the french people .. you know that Desolation is multi-lingual ? So they may even be regular players from your server.

And by the way, from what I heard people on their home server already have priority over guests when it come to overflow queues.

As to farmers, if your playing the game and not just trying to grief them just tell them the event will come back up eventually and to do something else while they wait. Then ignore them. Report if they get rude.

But guesting should never cost anything. Ever.

Please don’t mess with the guesting system unless there no other way whatsoever. Here, that is not the case, as the OP’s initial complaint is not even related to the guesting system. Frostgorge sound is a champ-train dominated area on nearly every high population server. It has nothing to do with guesting. Nothing.

Frostfang.5109:

I’m from Desolation server.

PPl are guesting our server for farming. Sometimes they are being agressive when u do the event that destroys their farming. They start trying to tell what to do and where to go like if they were your mom. (They never finish it so that enemies can keep spawning, and they are many to scale it up).
They are in farm-trains a Little bit of everywhere, both for Champs and World bosses. They cause Overflows on our server when World bosses spawn in some places, leaving us – the “real” inhabitants on an overflow… Rather annoying!

My suggestion is this:

Make guesting cost a fee! That would hopefully make some more ppl working on populating their own World instead of comming to ours that is already well populated.

When there becomes overflow;There is a que created. Let those from the HOME-SERVER in first!
Example: Tequatl, there is Always overflow. U usually have to be there at least an hour up front in order not to be put in overflow (u still risk getting ERRORS when it starts – leaving u waiting for an hour for no reason).
When u DO end up on the overflow. Let ppl in from Desolation to their own server first! Then, if there are any spots left the guesters can come!

I’m rather tired of being neglected content on my very own server (put on overflow) just because ppl from less populeted servers invade ours just because we have better farming here, bigger Groups to kill bosses etc… Populate u’r own server instead, please, for the love of god!!!

I feel like I’m being kicked out from my own server a bit too often now – due to GUESTERS!!!

Is there any way this will be balanced soon?

I suggest you keep up.

This is always a danger when you choose a very high populated server as your home. You always run the risk of overflows, even from just your own server’s population, on maps.

Guest option is big problem, people dont do events on home servers they go guest on popular pve servers. Its should be not possible or cost gems.

FYI the farmers that farm linen get mad when you finish the event , cause if you set it up from the start ( witch you need to do most of the time ) it takes about 45min to set up that farm spot.

So when selfish people like you show up and ruin it , yes they get mad , specially when they ask you nicely to NOT finish it.

1 good farm spot in game VS a TONE of events you can go do some where else.

Thats why we cant have nice things . to many selfish solo players in GW2.

Farmers – * pls dont res mobs *
you- screw you i want to res 3 mobs to get my heart , you can wait an other hour so i dont have to wait 5min.

if you dot like your server then move out.

I can’t really say that you have any sympathy at all from me.

Ralron.8124:

FYI the farmers that farm linen get mad when you finish the event , cause if you set it up from the start ( witch you need to do most of the time ) it takes about 45min to set up that farm spot.

So when selfish people like you show up and ruin it , yes they get mad , specially when they ask you nicely to NOT finish it.

1 good farm spot in game VS a TONE of events you can go do some where else.

Thats why we cant have nice things . to many selfish solo players in GW2.

Farmers – * pls dont res mobs *
you- screw you i want to res 3 mobs to get my heart , you can wait an other hour so i dont have to wait 5min.

Yargesh.4965:

I can’t really say that you have any sympathy at all from me.

Ralron.8124:

FYI the farmers that farm linen get mad when you finish the event , cause if you set it up from the start ( witch you need to do most of the time ) it takes about 45min to set up that farm spot.

So when selfish people like you show up and ruin it , yes they get mad , specially when they ask you nicely to NOT finish it.

1 good farm spot in game VS a TONE of events you can go do some where else.

Thats why we cant have nice things . to many selfish solo players in GW2.

Farmers – * pls dont res mobs *
you- screw you i want to res 3 mobs to get my heart , you can wait an other hour so i dont have to wait 5min.

not looking for Sympathy, lmao , just pointing out facts..
(reason why farmers get mad)
And if anything , you should be THANKING the Farmers for being the only players in game helping balance the ascended Armor Prices.

Ralron.8124:

FYI the farmers that farm linen get mad when you finish the event , cause if you set it up from the start ( witch you need to do most of the time ) it takes about 45min to set up that farm spot.

So when selfish people like you show up and ruin it , yes they get mad , specially when they ask you nicely to NOT finish it.

1 good farm spot in game VS a TONE of events you can go do some where else.

Thats why we cant have nice things . to many selfish solo players in GW2.

Players finishing the event are not ruining anything, they’re playing the game as it is intended.

The ones being selfish here are the farmers that are exploiting an event. They don’t get to call ‘dibs’ and take ownership of the event, it’s there for all the players and it’s there to be completed.

yes your right, they CANT take ownership of an event. but dont ask your self why they get mad….

often what happens , syou have a full party farming away , one guy shows up , finishes event . and the farmer , instead of waiting 1hour they GUEST on different servers..

so thats why they get mad , and thats why they guest …

so like i said . dont ask your self why! and stop complaining. lol

And if anything , you should be THANKING the Farmers for being the only players in game helping balance the ascended Armor Prices. ( linen price dropped from 6s to 3s )

Frostfang.5109:

I’ll answer a couple of u… If I do Teq (wich I do once ina great while for fun).. I DO spend that waiting hour doing other stuff. Then I’m hoping not to get an error and end up on overflow being (most likely) unable to sucess….

The farm. Whenever u enter Frsostgorge there is a HUGE train there farming Champs (wich I hate and never take part of). I have been there a couple of times to get some Dragonites for ascended craftng lately. Same goes for the Epyrial shards wich happened to be located at the Troll…. Many ppl in that farm train are Guests. Talk around listen to chat etc and u’ll find out.

I’m perfectly fine with Guild missions… Its an activity that takes part, not just some abusing crazed mega-zerg hysterical farming 24/7.

Tequatl. Most ppl ther are guests as their own server have too few ppl doing it in order to suceed…

Yesterday I ran onto a big Group pf french ppl farming linen on an event that they used (read “abused” instead). I came there and finished the event and that kittened them off quite badly….

Ppl find all ways of using the game, that are not the ways it was intended. When u act in a normal way, like killing a champ because u happened to pass by, doing an event because u pass by, try to get to a World boss on u’r own server… either u kitten ppl off or end up on an oveflow…

My experience is that these things tend to happen to me more often and in more places lately….

I have to play devil’s advocate and say that I find issue with you going out of your way to interrupt them. I could understand entirely if you genuinely intended to do that event because you wanted to do the event. If that was your intent, then tough to them. However, you are no better than them if you went out of your way just to interrupt or troll them them.

This is really Anet’s fault honestly. They are the ones introducing new gear that requires a level of farming that even WoW would be disgusted with. Clearly Anet supports the needs for MASS farming to improve your gear, therefore it is their fault that people are doing whatever they can to farm it.

timidobserver.7925:

Frostfang.5109:

I’ll answer a couple of u… If I do Teq (wich I do once ina great while for fun).. I DO spend that waiting hour doing other stuff. Then I’m hoping not to get an error and end up on overflow being (most likely) unable to sucess….

The farm. Whenever u enter Frsostgorge there is a HUGE train there farming Champs (wich I hate and never take part of). I have been there a couple of times to get some Dragonites for ascended craftng lately. Same goes for the Epyrial shards wich happened to be located at the Troll…. Many ppl in that farm train are Guests. Talk around listen to chat etc and u’ll find out.

I’m perfectly fine with Guild missions… Its an activity that takes part, not just some abusing crazed mega-zerg hysterical farming 24/7.

Tequatl. Most ppl ther are guests as their own server have too few ppl doing it in order to suceed…

Yesterday I ran onto a big Group pf french ppl farming linen on an event that they used (read “abused” instead). I came there and finished the event and that kittened them off quite badly….

Ppl find all ways of using the game, that are not the ways it was intended. When u act in a normal way, like killing a champ because u happened to pass by, doing an event because u pass by, try to get to a World boss on u’r own server… either u kitten ppl off or end up on an oveflow…

My experience is that these things tend to happen to me more often and in more places lately….

I have to play devil’s advocate and say that I find issue with you going out of your way to interrupt them. I could understand entirely if you genuinely intended to do that event because you wanted to do the event. If that was your intent, then tough to them. However, you are no better than them if you went out of your way just to interrupt or troll them them.

This is really Anet’s fault honestly. They are the ones introducing new gear that requires a level of farming that even WoW would be disgusted with. Clearly Anet supports the needs for MASS farming to improve your gear, therefore it is their fault that people are doing whatever they can to farm it.

He’s not doing anything wrong by going out of his way to complete events because they are meant to be completed, those farming them are exploiting the system.

I’ll have to agree with Anet dropping the ball by requiring low level mats in Ascended recipes. Any new players this year are getting screwed royally. Imagine having to monetarily compete directly with establish gamers whom have 4-5 lvl 80’s, multiple accounts, and running in large guilds. That first month of trying to level up a character and get gear will be painful. Then gathering the mat’s to do the basic 1-400 in crating, yikes! That’s why farming mat’s is needed in the game to keep prices from skyrocketing.

For farming, this is a social game where decency and manners should exist. If you happen to come across 20+ players doing something and try to subvert them, you’d be in the wrong. It’s the same with the champ trains. Here you have a high volume of players doing an activity. Then comes along that one person fully intent on spoiling it for them. That’s bad behavior on the individuals part! Especially when the only excuse given is they are trying to corner the market on that particular type of champ bag for it’s reward. That’s just being selfish, greedy, envious, and antisocial. We have two in particular that come to our server and do this for hours each day. Then taunt in map chat that they are from a rival WvW server no less. In contrast, at least the farmers are open, friendly, and social. Anyone can join them at any time. Commanders pin up to keep everyone organized and moving well. The Commander or Guilds drop banners, boosts, and merchants for everyone to share in. That’s the type of behavior this game should encourage.

So next time you want to complain about a large portion of players becoming agitated, maybe you should realized it’s probably warranted! They may have been harassed for hours before you wandered into the zone.

If existed system promote such a level of farming then exploiting is the only way. If you don’t want to mess with ascended don’t waist effort of ppl who still hope to get it. I gave up on ascended armor currently, effort and prices are just ridiculous. But if farmers will force mats prices to go down I appreciate it.
With current requirements ANET should officially allow bots cause with all farming needed players are becoming bots by themselves which is sad.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Ralron.8124:

FYI the farmers that farm linen get mad when you finish the event , cause if you set it up from the start ( witch you need to do most of the time ) it takes about 45min to set up that farm spot.

So when selfish people like you show up and ruin it , yes they get mad , specially when they ask you nicely to NOT finish it.

1 good farm spot in game VS a TONE of events you can go do some where else.

Thats why we cant have nice things . to many selfish solo players in GW2.

Players finishing the event are not ruining anything, they’re playing the game as it is intended.

The ones being selfish here are the farmers that are exploiting an event. They don’t get to call ‘dibs’ and take ownership of the event, it’s there for all the players and it’s there to be completed.

Sounds more to me like the guy finishing the event is exploiting the farmers. They’re the ones who took the trouble to group together to accomplish something (whether you agree with what they’re doing or not), while the guy who swoops in to finish the event wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to do so if it weren’t for the farmers.

Bottom line is that ANet once again created something the ramifications of which they didn’t anticipate and probably still don’t understand. If in-game activities end up pitting players against players in an emotional and contested manner (outside of PvP, of course), you can blame game design … not the players.

Alukah.2063:

timidobserver.7925:

Frostfang.5109:

I’ll answer a couple of u… If I do Teq (wich I do once ina great while for fun).. I DO spend that waiting hour doing other stuff. Then I’m hoping not to get an error and end up on overflow being (most likely) unable to sucess….

The farm. Whenever u enter Frsostgorge there is a HUGE train there farming Champs (wich I hate and never take part of). I have been there a couple of times to get some Dragonites for ascended craftng lately. Same goes for the Epyrial shards wich happened to be located at the Troll…. Many ppl in that farm train are Guests. Talk around listen to chat etc and u’ll find out.

I’m perfectly fine with Guild missions… Its an activity that takes part, not just some abusing crazed mega-zerg hysterical farming 24/7.

Tequatl. Most ppl ther are guests as their own server have too few ppl doing it in order to suceed…

Yesterday I ran onto a big Group pf french ppl farming linen on an event that they used (read “abused” instead). I came there and finished the event and that kittened them off quite badly….

Ppl find all ways of using the game, that are not the ways it was intended. When u act in a normal way, like killing a champ because u happened to pass by, doing an event because u pass by, try to get to a World boss on u’r own server… either u kitten ppl off or end up on an oveflow…

My experience is that these things tend to happen to me more often and in more places lately….

I have to play devil’s advocate and say that I find issue with you going out of your way to interrupt them. I could understand entirely if you genuinely intended to do that event because you wanted to do the event. If that was your intent, then tough to them. However, you are no better than them if you went out of your way just to interrupt or troll them them.

This is really Anet’s fault honestly. They are the ones introducing new gear that requires a level of farming that even WoW would be disgusted with. Clearly Anet supports the needs for MASS farming to improve your gear, therefore it is their fault that people are doing whatever they can to farm it.

He’s not doing anything wrong by going out of his way to complete events because they are meant to be completed, those farming them are exploiting the system.

If he did it (or someone else does it) for the sole intention of disrupting a farm, then that would be griefing. This one is the hardest to prove unless you get screenshots of the person saying they did it to cause problems.

However, nothing in the OP’s post gives any indication of whether or not he was doing it to spite the farmers or not. His word choice gives high chances that he did do it to spite the farmers, but it’s not 100% that he did it. His wording could simply because he’s angry at yet another group of farmers getting mad at him for playing the game as intended.

The problem isn’t the farm trains. The farm trains are just a symptom of a variety of problems:

1. Not enough real fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding content is available. Dungeons are really the only thing and they aren’t everyone’s cup of tea and most people like variety.

2. Best gear currently requires a TON of material. Demand is high. Currently supply on the TP is not high and prices have therefore gone up. Makes going out to get the mats yourself cheaper if you know where you can go to get them quickly and for cheap.

3. Said mats for the above requires tons of Bolts of Damask. Which require various threads. Threads come from salvaging only. Or from bags of loot. Which means going out and killing things and hoping you get the right mat out of the salvage.

2 & 3 will likely calm down over the course of the next few months as most people get their gear and more ways to get the gear will hopefully come out that do not involve crafting (or at least not as much)..

1 is something that ANet can fix. They can add in content that’s fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding.

Hopefully once season 1 of the living story is over, we’ll start to see content come in that fills that spot.

Farm trains are currently, next to dungeons, the quickest way to earn the most money and mats. So until the above three problems are gone, farm trains will likely be very popular. The solving of the problem will likely not get rid of farm trains completely, but should reduce their size considerably most likely.

I am from Blackgate and I do have to guest over to other servers to do some events. It is not because I want too but because if I want to complete certain events I can not do them on my home server. There are certain events that get bugged on most servers. Melandru and Arah are the two main ones that we like to farm. If they worked on our home server we would do it there. But since these events are left in a glitched state for weeks at a time that leaves us no choice but to go elsewhere to do them. These events when done the proper way can make you a lot of gold.
And until anet does something to fix the problem with the events glitching on most servers you will always be getting farmers coming there.

^Don’t worry Durban, the discussion isn’t about running the Temples. And, I’ll be stunned and amazed if I ever see ML or CS going to overflow

Strange, I’m on Desolation and I haven’t noticed a problem. Back when they first updated the loot from world bosses most of them would go to overflow, but I’m pretty sure that’s because so many people from this server were doing them – there was a noticeable drop in player numbers in other areas.

Tequatl will go to overflow if an organised group shows up to beat him, but that happens on any server (especially if it’s TTS who deliberately create an overflow and then move everyone over as part of their strategy).

Other than that it’s pretty much just when new Living Story content comes out and it’s usually not a problem because it runs at the same time on all maps. It was annoying back in August with the invasions (I actually ended up guesting to low population servers to do them) but not since.

And even when it does happen I feel like the benefits of playing on a high population server far outweigh the negatives. For example I recently decided to get all the Obsidian I needed for a legendary. Temple was closed at the time. Later that day I remembered, looked, it was open. Compared to people on low population servers who can be waiting days or weeks to catch it or having to get multiple guilds together to do the event that’s a pretty good deal and well worth the occasional overflow.

That’s why we need underflow instead of overflow.

The only reason people flock to the popular servers is because they know their own server to be empty. If underpopulated servers were certain they’d get people from other underpopulated servers redirected to them by the system they’d band together and do the event.

Honestly, this would fix ALL the issues mentioned in the OP post. Correct me if I’m wrong.

What this game is supposed to be about, especially for people exploring, is a sense of wonder and discovery. You even have an enticeing pop up—‘New event near by’.

Whats it does not have is, ‘New event near by, do not go there as it will annoy farmers!’.
This was my experience on at least two occasions last week, one of which resulted in myself being threatened by the farmers and reported for ressing NPC’s, even though all i wanted was to level.

I have nothing against farmers, and have done my fair share of farming on this game. What I have never, and will never do, is dictate to others that they can not participate in an event as it will effect my profit margin! They paid exactly the same for the game as myself, and deserve respect! They have exactly the same rite to every event available.

Remember, only the Skritt say ‘Dont Touch the Shiney’, ;p.

Seera.5916:

If he did it (or someone else does it) for the sole intention of disrupting a farm, then that would be griefing. This one is the hardest to prove unless you get screenshots of the person saying they did it to cause problems.

However, nothing in the OP’s post gives any indication of whether or not he was doing it to spite the farmers or not. His word choice gives high chances that he did do it to spite the farmers, but it’s not 100% that he did it. His wording could simply because he’s angry at yet another group of farmers getting mad at him for playing the game as intended.

The problem isn’t the farm trains. The farm trains are just a symptom of a variety of problems:

1. Not enough real fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding content is available. Dungeons are really the only thing and they aren’t everyone’s cup of tea and most people like variety.

2. Best gear currently requires a TON of material. Demand is high. Currently supply on the TP is not high and prices have therefore gone up. Makes going out to get the mats yourself cheaper if you know where you can go to get them quickly and for cheap.

3. Said mats for the above requires tons of Bolts of Damask. Which require various threads. Threads come from salvaging only. Or from bags of loot. Which means going out and killing things and hoping you get the right mat out of the salvage.

2 & 3 will likely calm down over the course of the next few months as most people get their gear and more ways to get the gear will hopefully come out that do not involve crafting (or at least not as much)..

1 is something that ANet can fix. They can add in content that’s fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding.

Hopefully once season 1 of the living story is over, we’ll start to see content come in that fills that spot.

Farm trains are currently, next to dungeons, the quickest way to earn the most money and mats. So until the above three problems are gone, farm trains will likely be very popular. The solving of the problem will likely not get rid of farm trains completely, but should reduce their size considerably most likely.

I am not lawyer here aiming to prove anything or say that he specifically was aiming to spite them. My post is quite short and the point is clear. If, he was doing it to bother, grief, spite, ect them then he is just as bad if not worse than them. However, if he wanted to complete an event, then he has every right to do so.

Alukah.2063:

He’s not doing anything wrong by going out of his way to complete events because they are meant to be completed, those farming them are exploiting the system.

I make the effort to clearly stating my point, and you still have to misrepresent it.

It all goes to motivation. If his motivation is that he wanted to complete an event, like you said, that is fine. However, if his motivation was to troll them, grief them, or make them mad, then he is no better than them to me.

Given that this sort of thing is still in the game, Anet obviously doesn’t have an issue with it. They have shown that they can close exploits very very quickly and deal out harsh punishments when they find it necessary.

I’d take an obsessive compulsive farmer over a griefer in an MMO any day. Griefers are the major issue with MMOs.

Pariah.8506:

That’s why we need underflow instead of overflow.

The only reason people flock to the popular servers is because they know their own server to be empty. If underpopulated servers were certain they’d get people from other underpopulated servers redirected to them by the system they’d band together and do the event.

Honestly, this would fix ALL the issues mentioned in the OP post. Correct me if I’m wrong.

LOL. You realize that ANet doesn’t have discrete servers, right? They lease capacity in bulk from Akamai and ANet never even knows where or how many physical servers their game is running on. It’s all a virtual cloud of capacity as far as they are concerned. So having spillover across “servers” means essentially the same thing as making WvW instanced … as several of us have been advocating all along, and as it appears Edge of the Mists will be.

timidobserver.7925:

Seera.5916:

If he did it (or someone else does it) for the sole intention of disrupting a farm, then that would be griefing. This one is the hardest to prove unless you get screenshots of the person saying they did it to cause problems.

However, nothing in the OP’s post gives any indication of whether or not he was doing it to spite the farmers or not. His word choice gives high chances that he did do it to spite the farmers, but it’s not 100% that he did it. His wording could simply because he’s angry at yet another group of farmers getting mad at him for playing the game as intended.

The problem isn’t the farm trains. The farm trains are just a symptom of a variety of problems:

1. Not enough real fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding content is available. Dungeons are really the only thing and they aren’t everyone’s cup of tea and most people like variety.

2. Best gear currently requires a TON of material. Demand is high. Currently supply on the TP is not high and prices have therefore gone up. Makes going out to get the mats yourself cheaper if you know where you can go to get them quickly and for cheap.

3. Said mats for the above requires tons of Bolts of Damask. Which require various threads. Threads come from salvaging only. Or from bags of loot. Which means going out and killing things and hoping you get the right mat out of the salvage.

2 & 3 will likely calm down over the course of the next few months as most people get their gear and more ways to get the gear will hopefully come out that do not involve crafting (or at least not as much)..

1 is something that ANet can fix. They can add in content that’s fun, challenging, and appropriately rewarding.

Hopefully once season 1 of the living story is over, we’ll start to see content come in that fills that spot.

Farm trains are currently, next to dungeons, the quickest way to earn the most money and mats. So until the above three problems are gone, farm trains will likely be very popular. The solving of the problem will likely not get rid of farm trains completely, but should reduce their size considerably most likely.

I am not lawyer here aiming to prove anything or say that he specifically was aiming to spite them. My post is quite short and the point is clear. If, he was doing it to bother, grief, spite, ect them then he is just as bad if not worse than them. However, if he wanted to complete an event, then he has every right to do so.

My post was responding to Alukah who had responded to you. Alukah said the problem was the farmers. I disagreed, said they were a symptom, and said what I thought the problems were that were causing the increase in farming.

I fully agree with you.