Guild Wars 2

I apologize if this topic has been rehashed but I tried searching “guild rep/representation” and didn’t find anything on this already.

As far as I’m aware, having a guild that requires 100% rep is not against ANet ToS, and it’s not “leveraging force” against anyone to stay. Every recruit message says “100% rep” and before an invite is sent, all officers restate that we’re 100% rep.

We’re totally cool if that’s not for you, and we’re polite and nice about it. The conversation:

http://tinypic.com/r/2q3b443/8

I’m pretty sure he’s just over-reacting, but I wasn’t sure if there actually is some sort of thing we’re violating here by requiring 100% rep.

No violation other than guild “house” rules. There’s plenty out there that provide a bit of freedom.

Oh hang on, just reread and your the one with rules. Its still no big deal if that’s what you guys want. Looks like your member had other info though.

Nah the officers all talked with each other since we had guild missions today, he couldn’t name the officer he “cleared” it with, and none of us had talked to him. So I was just making sure, since it appears he did report me, even though I’m not sure what for.

I wouldn’t worry about it. There was nothing in that bit of chat to warrant anything. You’re within your rights to kick if rules aren’t being followed.

Awesome, thanks.

No worries. Just remember I’m not the boss though so it may not end up being smooth sailing

100% rep rules are idiotic and I don’t understand why people still join those guilds. Too antiquidated in their perceptions of MMO guilds I guess. We’re given 5 guild slots for a reason and there’s 3 distinct game modes, why the heck would you restrict someone to 1 guild is beyond me. I actively encourage my members to find PvE or other PvP guilds to rep as our guild isn’t active 24/7 and doesn’t do PvE. Why should they get shafted just to be with our community for 3-4 hours a night?

That said, yeah it’s not against ToS.

Not against TOS!

but i wouldnt join a 100% Rep guild anyways…not after the drama i had when i joined one that went from a partial rep to a always rep…it was insane…and i just cant help but not understand why guilds require 100% Rep in GW2..

Kinda agree with the person above honestly. But its all opinion based and such.

ArenaNet/Guild Wars 2 staff does not get involved in Guild politics. You can set the rules as you see fit, as long as it isn’t against ToS rules which you can read here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

There is nothing in that Agreement about exclusive representation of a Guild, either yay or nay.

Good luck.

I think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking 100% rep, if you make clear in advance that’s what you’re about.

What’s going on here is a bit of ‘consumer’ mentality here I think. People want ‘a la carte’ guilds, taking only what interests them. It’s a me-focused attitude, not one aimed at being actually a part of a group that tries to do things together and develop as a guild.

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

Vayne.8563:

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

So… why not have that group of real life friends join that same guild? Or is that guild not good enough for your friends? Or are your friends the kind of troublemakers no decent guild wants around?

Because really, I’ve been in the same guild since 2003, and that’s what we have been doing through all games we’ve played. ‘If you have friends playing, bring them into the guild’. Works fine. Your friends get on and you want to go do stuff with them? NOT a problem…. I mean, why should it be? We’ve got husband and wife teams, even their kids… NOT a problem.

Having a private guild bank… well, I can see that. And honestly, this particular game is a bit too greedy about storage space. Then again, I’ve been managing just fine without one, I’m just using the less-played alts for storage.

I guess it all depends on what you expect a guild to be. A convenient place to get groups? Or people who are supportive of one another, actually give a kitten and help one another do things in game? That last gets a bit hard if people keep haring off into subgroups, in my experience.

Broom.2561:

Vayne.8563:

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

So… why not have that group of real life friends join that same guild? Or is that guild not good enough for your friends? Or are your friends the kind of troublemakers no decent guild wants around?

Because really, I’ve been in the same guild since 2003, and that’s what we have been doing through all games we’ve played. ‘If you have friends playing, bring them into the guild’. Works fine. Your friends get on and you want to go do stuff with them? NOT a problem…. I mean, why should it be? We’ve got husband and wife teams, even their kids… NOT a problem.

Having a private guild bank… well, I can see that. And honestly, this particular game is a bit too greedy about storage space. Then again, I’ve been managing just fine without one, I’m just using the less-played alts for storage.

I guess it all depends on what you expect a guild to be. A convenient place to get groups? Or people who are supportive of one another, actually give a kitten and help one another do things in game? That last gets a bit hard if people keep haring off into subgroups, in my experience.

It’s very simple as to why I can’t have my real life friends join that guild. Because they don’t log in often enough, some of them anyway, to remain in that guild without getting kicked for inactivity. But that was just a single example and not my point.

What if I want to join the giant slayers guild to work on my giant slayer title. Or a giant guild like TTS to get credit for the wurm, because many of the guilds that require 100% rep don’t do the wurm in my time slot.

Maybe I live in Australia (I actually do) and a US guild isn’t really good for me time wise on some days and an Australian guild really isn’t good for me time wise another day.

A 100% rep guild is telling me what to do in a game I bought. It’s demanding something of me, and I’m not sure it’s not something I couldn’t get with another guild that wasn’t 100% rep.

I’m sure there are a handful of guilds that demand 100% rep that are “worth joining”. I’m just as sure there are more than a handful that aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Vayne.8563:

Broom.2561:

Vayne.8563:

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

So… why not have that group of real life friends join that same guild? Or is that guild not good enough for your friends? Or are your friends the kind of troublemakers no decent guild wants around?

Because really, I’ve been in the same guild since 2003, and that’s what we have been doing through all games we’ve played. ‘If you have friends playing, bring them into the guild’. Works fine. Your friends get on and you want to go do stuff with them? NOT a problem…. I mean, why should it be? We’ve got husband and wife teams, even their kids… NOT a problem.

Having a private guild bank… well, I can see that. And honestly, this particular game is a bit too greedy about storage space. Then again, I’ve been managing just fine without one, I’m just using the less-played alts for storage.

I guess it all depends on what you expect a guild to be. A convenient place to get groups? Or people who are supportive of one another, actually give a kitten and help one another do things in game? That last gets a bit hard if people keep haring off into subgroups, in my experience.

It’s very simple as to why I can’t have my real life friends join that guild. Because they don’t log in often enough, some of them anyway, to remain in that guild without getting kicked for inactivity. But that was just a single example and not my point.

What if I want to join the giant slayers guild to work on my giant slayer title. Or a giant guild like TTS to get credit for the wurm, because many of the guilds that require 100% rep don’t do the wurm in my time slot.

Maybe I live in Australia (I actually do) and a US guild isn’t really good for me time wise on some days and an Australian guild really isn’t good for me time wise another day.

A 100% rep guild is telling me what to do in a game I bought. It’s demanding something of me, and I’m not sure it’s not something I couldn’t get with another guild that wasn’t 100% rep.

I’m sure there are a handful of guilds that demand 100% rep that are “worth joining”. I’m just as sure there are more than a handful that aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Not sure where this disscussion is. Guilds are allowed to make their own rules and stick to them no matter how arbitrary those rules might be (unless against ToS etc.).

Me personally, I wouldn’t join a 100% representation guild. There are more than enough guilds going around especially if you are losely tied to one. But if a guild feels they need member to represent for what eer reason, that is their choice.

Going on about exploitation etc is kitten. Sure if the guild you want to join had some kind of monopoly or your life depended on it, but as it stands you are free to leave and join a different guild.

I think a LOT of people could save themselves a LOT of heartache if they played more with people with similar mindsets. This is one of those cases.

Cyninja.2954:

Vayne.8563:

Broom.2561:

Vayne.8563:

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

So… why not have that group of real life friends join that same guild? Or is that guild not good enough for your friends? Or are your friends the kind of troublemakers no decent guild wants around?

Because really, I’ve been in the same guild since 2003, and that’s what we have been doing through all games we’ve played. ‘If you have friends playing, bring them into the guild’. Works fine. Your friends get on and you want to go do stuff with them? NOT a problem…. I mean, why should it be? We’ve got husband and wife teams, even their kids… NOT a problem.

Having a private guild bank… well, I can see that. And honestly, this particular game is a bit too greedy about storage space. Then again, I’ve been managing just fine without one, I’m just using the less-played alts for storage.

I guess it all depends on what you expect a guild to be. A convenient place to get groups? Or people who are supportive of one another, actually give a kitten and help one another do things in game? That last gets a bit hard if people keep haring off into subgroups, in my experience.

It’s very simple as to why I can’t have my real life friends join that guild. Because they don’t log in often enough, some of them anyway, to remain in that guild without getting kicked for inactivity. But that was just a single example and not my point.

What if I want to join the giant slayers guild to work on my giant slayer title. Or a giant guild like TTS to get credit for the wurm, because many of the guilds that require 100% rep don’t do the wurm in my time slot.

Maybe I live in Australia (I actually do) and a US guild isn’t really good for me time wise on some days and an Australian guild really isn’t good for me time wise another day.

A 100% rep guild is telling me what to do in a game I bought. It’s demanding something of me, and I’m not sure it’s not something I couldn’t get with another guild that wasn’t 100% rep.

I’m sure there are a handful of guilds that demand 100% rep that are “worth joining”. I’m just as sure there are more than a handful that aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Not sure where this disscussion is. Guilds are allowed to make their own rules and stick to them no matter how arbitrary those rules might be (unless against ToS etc.).

Me personally, I wouldn’t join a 100% representation guild. There are more than enough guilds going around especially if you are losely tied to one. But if a guild feels they need member to represent for what eer reason, that is their choice.

Going on about exploitation etc is kitten. Sure if the guild you want to join had some kind of monopoly or your life depended on it, but as it stands you are free to leave and join a different guild.

I think a LOT of people could save themselves a LOT of heartache if they played more with people with similar mindsets. This is one of those cases.

I never used the word exploitation. All did was express my opinion (and I did in my first post say that it was “to me”) and someone responded to my post. I responded to theirs. There’s no real mystery here.

Everyone is absolutely free to make rules for their guild if it doesn’t break the TOS. And on the forums, people are free to express their opinions of guild rules.

Vayne.8563:

Cyninja.2954:

Vayne.8563:

Broom.2561:

Vayne.8563:

What 100% rep guilds to me are saying that you find your guild more important than members of your guild. I wouldn’t join a club that said you can only join my club. I wouldn’t play games with a group of friends that say you can’t play with any other group. I wouldn’t join a guild that says I have to 100% be with them.

Maybe I want to work on a personal guild bank. Maybe I have a group of real life friends who aren’t on often but when they are, I want to rep their guild.

I understand it’s not against the TOS, but it’s got a big red sign flashing over it, for me anyway, that says, stay away, these guys want too much control for a game I paid for.

So… why not have that group of real life friends join that same guild? Or is that guild not good enough for your friends? Or are your friends the kind of troublemakers no decent guild wants around?

Because really, I’ve been in the same guild since 2003, and that’s what we have been doing through all games we’ve played. ‘If you have friends playing, bring them into the guild’. Works fine. Your friends get on and you want to go do stuff with them? NOT a problem…. I mean, why should it be? We’ve got husband and wife teams, even their kids… NOT a problem.

Having a private guild bank… well, I can see that. And honestly, this particular game is a bit too greedy about storage space. Then again, I’ve been managing just fine without one, I’m just using the less-played alts for storage.

I guess it all depends on what you expect a guild to be. A convenient place to get groups? Or people who are supportive of one another, actually give a kitten and help one another do things in game? That last gets a bit hard if people keep haring off into subgroups, in my experience.

It’s very simple as to why I can’t have my real life friends join that guild. Because they don’t log in often enough, some of them anyway, to remain in that guild without getting kicked for inactivity. But that was just a single example and not my point.

What if I want to join the giant slayers guild to work on my giant slayer title. Or a giant guild like TTS to get credit for the wurm, because many of the guilds that require 100% rep don’t do the wurm in my time slot.

Maybe I live in Australia (I actually do) and a US guild isn’t really good for me time wise on some days and an Australian guild really isn’t good for me time wise another day.

A 100% rep guild is telling me what to do in a game I bought. It’s demanding something of me, and I’m not sure it’s not something I couldn’t get with another guild that wasn’t 100% rep.

I’m sure there are a handful of guilds that demand 100% rep that are “worth joining”. I’m just as sure there are more than a handful that aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Not sure where this disscussion is. Guilds are allowed to make their own rules and stick to them no matter how arbitrary those rules might be (unless against ToS etc.).

Me personally, I wouldn’t join a 100% representation guild. There are more than enough guilds going around especially if you are losely tied to one. But if a guild feels they need member to represent for what eer reason, that is their choice.

Going on about exploitation etc is kitten. Sure if the guild you want to join had some kind of monopoly or your life depended on it, but as it stands you are free to leave and join a different guild.

I think a LOT of people could save themselves a LOT of heartache if they played more with people with similar mindsets. This is one of those cases.

I never used the word exploitation. All did was express my opinion (and I did in my first post say that it was “to me”) and someone responded to my post. I responded to theirs. There’s no real mystery here.

Everyone is absolutely free to make rules for their guild if it doesn’t break the TOS. And on the forums, people are free to express their opinions of guild rules.

I’m sorry, I was refering to the provided conversation screenshot but then changed my text. I was not refering to you calling this exploitation, though it might have come across that way.

any guild that announces that they NEED XX% REP is an instant no go for me. (unless they say like once a week login with a character in our guild. sure that i can do.
But I bought this game, and I like being in several guilds with several purposes per guild.

I am not against it, but it is pretty much against the nature of an adventure game to require players to be fully with “you” (guild).

>:}

In Gw2 guilds work more like associations than the guild concept, since its for a temporary objective has anything in game.

Guilds in this game are shallow entities, besides they are easy to form a pve groups and queue a map, cross server/guild team speak is more important than be in the same guild for activities outside pve.

If a guild requires 100% representation thats something to respect to (imo i would prefer this kind of group).

The only thing that I can see it falling under is harassment/discrimination.

Constantly reminding of the 100% rep rule could fall under harassment.
Kicking from the guild because the member repped another guild could fall under discrimination.

At the end of the day, ANet should have stayed with the Account Based Guild Membership from GW1 instead of going on to this Character Based system that does nothing but cause these “100% Rep” rules to be made.

Ravion Hawk.4736:

The only thing that I can see it falling under is harassment/discrimination.

Constantly reminding of the 100% rep rule could fall under harassment.
Kicking from the guild because the member repped another guild could fall under discrimination.

At the end of the day, ANet should have stayed with the Account Based Guild Membership from GW1 instead of going on to this Character Based system that does nothing but cause these “100% Rep” rules to be made.

Reminding guildies of guild rules when they aren’t complying isn’t harassment. Kicking from the guild for not complying with guild rules isn’t discrimination. Neither of these terms fit the situation at all.

Reminding of guild rules aside from the 100% rep and kicking for violating any guild rules aside from the 100% rep would not be harassment nor discriminatory.

The 100% Rep rule can be seen on these grounds due to the exclusiveness it forces.

I’m not saying ANet will do anything about it, but those would be the way to report a guild officer harping on a member to 100% rep or to report a guild officer for kicking someone who did not 100% rep.

I will still stand by the mindset that Character Based guild membership was a bad idea and should have never been implemented because of guilds that create the “100% Rep Rule.” You never see 100% Rep rules when guild memberships are account based. And you definitely don’t get the “100% Rep” politics on the forums.

Broom.2561:

I think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking 100% rep, if you make clear in advance that’s what you’re about.

What’s going on here is a bit of ‘consumer’ mentality here I think. People want ‘a la carte’ guilds, taking only what interests them. It’s a me-focused attitude, not one aimed at being actually a part of a group that tries to do things together and develop as a guild.

That’s completely wrong. I have no rep policy with Faerie Law. I don’t care if people never rep at all. I only kick for inactivity and for d—chebaggery. Over half my guild reps over 80% of the time anyway because we are a strong and friendly community that has clear goals ingame. The other half reps when we’re running events, which is 2-3 hours a day 4-5 days a week, and they are active in our teamspeak and only rep other guilds because they’re told to (i.e. those rep requirement guilds). We attract similar minded players and repulse others because we’re not 100% rep.

Guilds with any form of rep policy are trying to control people’s play times and in-game experiences, something which I’m really uncomfortable with. Why should I rep you and be forced to run dungeons when I want to go WvW instead? Or maybe I want to sPvP instead of run WvW.

If your guild was good enough, it won’t need the a policy to have people repping. It just cries incompetence and desperation.

This question asked by the OP was if a 100% rep requirement broke any rules, as their soon-to-be-former guildmate claimed. That question has been answered: it’s not against the rules.

If you guys want to start a new thread about whether it’s a good idea to require representation, please do so.

Whether or not you agree with a 100% rep guild is of course, totally your own opinion. I complete agree with whomever it was that said everyone would be better off just joining guilds that are like-minded. In our case, we’re a fairly laid back guild, mostly 18+, rather salty, we do very large weekly guild missions, have fun and play together a lot.

We ask 100% rep because we want to keep providing the experience and benefits that we provide. The rep rule is the honestly the only rule we enforce on any sort of consistent basis.

Not that I feel the need to defend my guild, but I come from years of loyalty to your guild and guildies, so maybe I’m old fashioned. Maybe my entire guild is old-fashioned, it works out that way.

And as Illconcieved said, question’s been answered.