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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

Just look at this comments…never have I ever read so many negative comments and feedbacks on a youtube video…I know my reasons I stopped playing GW2, but I never thought so many people are angry at this game!

What happened, can someone explain? Where it all failed so much?
I know GW2 isn’t my cup of tea and it doesn’t bring anything good from GW1, that’s the reason I am rather playing it then this game, but what with people who actually liked this game from it’s very first moments?

What does bother you so much that you have to express your feelings this way?
Where did game fail for you, do you have any advice? What would you like to see?
Maybe get game on a good track? Cuz there has to be something really wrong when over 90% of comments are negative towards the game and Manifesto!

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Posted by: penelopehannibal.8947

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If you stopped playing GW2, why do you care?

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Posted by: Nash.2681

Nash.2681

Well, it’s youtube. In fact I’m surprised the comments (as far as I read them) didn’t derail to some weird political and/or racist discussion yet.
What I want to say is- there’s sure a lot of things about GW2 that were, are and probably will always be debatable, but comments on a youtube video are certainly by no means a proper indicator wether the game succeded or failed.

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Posted by: Vacheron.9870

Vacheron.9870

If you stopped playing GW2, why do you care?

This guy, asking the right questions.

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

What is your purpose with stirring a 6-year old pot?

Why do the upvotes massively outweight the downvotes?

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Posted by: Leon de Damasco.8105

Leon de Damasco.8105

Well OP, good luck with the visit’s numbers on that kind of video.

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

If you stopped playing GW2, why do you care?

I am curious about stuff.

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

Well OP, good luck with the visit’s numbers on that kind of video.

I’ll go check it 2-3 more times so it gets more views! Do you have any other constructive reply?

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

What is your purpose with stirring a 6-year old pot?

Why do the upvotes massively outweight the downvotes?

Read post again if you didn’t get purpose of my questions, but this time carefully – it does wonders!

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

Well, it’s youtube. In fact I’m surprised the comments (as far as I read them) didn’t derail to some weird political and/or racist discussion yet.
What I want to say is- there’s sure a lot of things about GW2 that were, are and probably will always be debatable, but comments on a youtube video are certainly by no means a proper indicator wether the game succeded or failed.

That I agree with, it’s not like this game failed, but I am surprised so many people (on yt section) are angry with it so I am curious how it happened.
Are the real reasons what they write in yt comments or it’s something else?

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

You neglected to answer the questions.

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

You neglected to answer the questions.

I answer the questions when my questions are answered the right way. Your reply isn’t done the right way – it’s there to provoke and to “answer” the questions with questions which is not acceptable – it gives no purpose and it doesn’t move this in any reasonable destination

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Posted by: Leon de Damasco.8105

Leon de Damasco.8105

Yeap! I have another one!
How your share about that video is constructive?
Oh! Since you are the OP (and not a reply as you stated) maybe you don’t need to be constructive.

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Posted by: Redenaz.8631

Redenaz.8631

Your first mistake was reading YouTube comments.

I wouldn’t take them as an accurate measurement of whether the game has failed or not. There are people who point at the Manifesto and how they feel the game didn’t live up to it, or how they think it did at first, but changed after launch, and so on, but that’s not a measure of success or failure for the game as a whole.

Personally, I’ve been having a good time, from pre-launch to today. Not everyone will have the same experience, but I think the game is a long way from the dismal failure you’re making it out to be.

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Posted by: Wanze.8410

Wanze.8410

What does bother you so much that you have to express your feelings this way?
Where did game fail for you?

Its not the game that failed those people, its society.

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Posted by: AliamRationem.5172

AliamRationem.5172

I didn’t play GW1 and I didn’t play GW2 pre-HoT. I’m 6 months into my GW2 experience and HoT has been excellent. I heard a lot of complaints initially, but since the April patch things have been a lot more positive and the HoT maps are full of established players who are exploring HoT for the first time.

Angry customers yell louder than satisfied customers. What can you do?

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Posted by: Paulytnz.7619

Paulytnz.7619

I don’t get this post at all…

It’s related to a video that was made and commented on 4 years ago. Adding to that there were only 316 comments total when the vid has been seen 100k+ times.

So can someone please tell me how they can think this game failed or is “hated so much” or whatever based off a vid that was made/watched 4 years ago and then commented on by so few people who probably never even gave the game a try or even a decent look before commenting.

Edit: in fact just browsing through the comments they all seem to be positive, so again I ask wtf is this post about lol? Not too mention even if they were negative comments they would have been about a game that was not even released at that time and barely even showed 5 seconds of footage of GW2 anyway in said vid…..

Since when did this business of being a hero become being a business?

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Posted by: Torzini.1523

Torzini.1523

My spouse and I also started playing GW2 when HoT had already come out. Both of us have been having a great time so far in GW2 with fractals, HoT maps, and the like, and are currently gearing up to prep our characters for raids. I personally like GW2 a lot better than GW1, but that’s just my personal take.

Angry customers yell louder than satisfied customers. What can you do?

Yup, this exactly. All the “doom and gloom” threads just make me raise my eyebrow.

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Posted by: Drakz.7051

Drakz.7051

Well alot of people are not pleased with the current state of the game.

I have stopped playing and moved on to other things until they release LS 3, which I hear they will do 1 chapter every 2 – 3 months.

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Posted by: slamfunction.7462

slamfunction.7462

Colin’s comments in this video are hilarious.

Ah well, i still think this game is freakin cool, and to hell with the haters.

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Posted by: Endless Soul.5178

Endless Soul.5178

Colin’s comments in this video are hilarious.

Ah well, i still think this game is freakin cool, and to hell with the haters.

Amen!

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

You should visit some MMO forums, OP and take a look at the posts. If they’re to believed, there are no good MMOs ever. They all have issues. They all suck. None of them are balanced, and there’s not enough content.

This is how MMO forums are. And of course, people who like an MMO love to go and bash other MMOs even if they don’t play them.

Welcome to the real world.

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Imbune.5497

It’s nearly 4 years since they conned people out of their money and the sunk cost fallacy is deeply entrenched at this point. Nothing will change-at least for the better. I’m done with ‘persistent’ games and of course I’m not touching anything from this company with a ten foot pole. There are so many areas in which they failed it would take hours just to compile a list with relevant examples…but maybe the main thing is nearly everything in that video was a lie.
-thought you were going to play a game about killing dragons? Nope…enjoy sjw leftist propaganda, virtue signalling and thought policing with a draconian, authoritarian totalitarian framework

-thought you’d be able to do cool stuff in pve? Nope….well…you can do cool things once every minute because EEEE-SPPOOORRRTS

-thought you’d have a player driven world? NOPE….the most theme park of theme park mmorpgs complete with regularly scheduled bosses on arbitrarily contrived 15mins timers

-thought you’d have an immersive world? Nope…..kitten where to even begin with this one. Well the repeating dynamic events for one make your actions feel completely irrelevant-evenmoreso than the traditional quests they mocked. I replayed some older mmorpgs with quests and you know what? You actually feel like you affected something when people who were once crying about losing an item or having someone kidnapped are no longer crying about their woes. This ill-conceived and poorly executed system have you saving the same character’s teddy bear from the same enemies every 10mins every day…to the point where you become completely detached from the narrative and start to only look at the rewards. The same problem with world bosses. Shatterer isn’t defeated in 15mins….and he just flies away with absolutely NO impact whatsover on the map.

-thought you were going to have a good story? NOPE. This also has numerous fails that cannot be mentioned due to time constraints, however, as part of the kittened ideology behind the game, and seeing that same ideology at play in recent films I’ve come to the conclusion that it handicaps good story telling. Notice something….your character literally is superman. Cannot and does not fail…at anything. They tried to make some forced failure at one point in the movie with zero overall impact but it was handled with the grace and dexterity of a newborn colt on skates skating backwards at night in an ice ring. Again, I recently picked up Blade and Soul and omg the story-your character isn’t some all powerful Godlike being who everyone looks up to and you beat because, reasons. There are characters more powerful than you and you get your kitten whopped quite often-which makes the moment you finally defeat your enemies all the sweeter. I actually screamed ‘WHOOHOO YOU GO GIRL!’ (I almost always create females in mmorpgs) when I was finally able to defeat a traitor who contributed a tragedy that set the story in motion in the beginning. Let that sink in…a game with influence from a popular Japanse erotic artist solicited the type of response this ‘progressive’ game tried its kitten est to bring out for 4 years. That of course made me consider Mary Sue characters and how boring stories with invincible, infallible heroes are….then I realized gw2 is exactly that.

-gameplay….thought that was going to be engaging? NOPE. Whether it’s the most kittened open world game design in terms of mechanics I’ve ever seen or the most braindead, buggy, exploitative AI I’ve ever seen. You won’t be having any engaging gameplay here. Combo fields? Cool idea…….in small teams. However when you design your game where 50+ people are playing all at once you’re having every possible field being dropped all over the place. Dodge mechanic? Nice….however that doesn’t mean you should rely on insta-gib one shot kill mechanics to make an encounter difficult, especially with special effects that cover the kitten mob. Again, look to virtually any action mmorpg to see how a combat system should be done. Offensive and defensive skills that you can frequently use, clearly telegraphed attacks that you should avoid, damage ratio that won’t let you get killed by basic attacks, use of items or some form of healing etc etc.

Don’t even get started on the grind. MMORPGs unfortunately are repetitive by nature, however if the systems themselves are entertaining then it becomes closer to you playing 500 matches in 3rd strike because you like the game. BnS was immense fun until you start to get closer to level cap….then they ramp up the requirements beyond the point of tolerable repetition-despite the extremely fun mechanics. When you look at the gameplay of gw2-balancing pve like pvp for some God forsaken reason, zerg 1-button press events and worse the absolutely toxic community that form ‘trains’ (and thanks to megaserver you can’t even switch channels to play by yourself or with like-minded players….like the ideology that permeates through the game and the community-submit or be ostracized, is the rule of the day)…you have a situation where the act of playing the game isn’t particularly fun and you’re being asked to do this unfun thing hundreds of times to get something you want. I’m not even talking about legendaries or asc items-look at the exotic items you’d want when the game was first released and appreciate the unholy grind that’s needed to get the vast majority of them.

However more than all of that…you know why things won’t ever get better? Because people and the company are afraid of dissenting opinions. They throw labels like ‘haters’ and ‘doom and gloom’ and perpetually throw personal insults (which go unmoderated I might add) against people who have issues with the game-and these people most times state their issues. The supporters pretty much say ‘well I like the game, the game is awesome…screw the haters-I bet they vote for Trump’ with no justification or explanation or even counter arguments. It has become an echo chamber…and as such improvement through critique/criticism is negated.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

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All problems with GW2 anyone has can always eventually be traced back to the Quaggans.

They are are supremely trixy race trying to subvert us all by the command of the water dragon.

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Posted by: jheryn.8390

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[Ginormous SNIP]

However more than all of that…you know why things won’t ever get better? Because people and the company are afraid of dissenting opinions. They throw labels like ‘haters’ and ‘doom and gloom’ and perpetually throw personal insults (which go unmoderated I might add) against people who have issues with the game-and these people most times state their issues. The supporters pretty much say ‘well I like the game, the game is awesome…screw the haters-I bet they vote for Trump’ with no justification or explanation or even counter arguments. It has become an echo chamber…and as such improvement through critique/criticism is negated.

Oh really? I have no problems with dissenting opinions. My problem is when those “opinions” are stated as facts. “This game is going to fail if things don’t change.” “The stories are awful no matter what anyone says.” “This game is all about e sports.”

All of those things are said as if they are truth rather than one person’s opinion. And that brings me to the other thing I find eye roll worth about your post.

You said that supporters throw labels like “haters” an “doom and gloom” and throw perpetual insults at people with dissenting views? Really? So that is just one sided? I know it is rare (insert sarcasm) but people who support the game are never called “White Knighters” or “ANet Shill” or have derogatory things said to them because they actually like what the game offers. Right?

The problem is with both sides is that respectful replies IMO are at a minimum. Dissenters cannot say what they feel is wrong about the game without being hateful or sarcastic or both. Dissenters are not the problem IMO. Rude, disrespectful, people (dissenters and supporters) who think their opinion is god’s gift to the world are the problem.

tl/dr: People don’t have problems with dissenters. Dissenters are not the problem. Rude people who think their opinions are the only ones that matter are.

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

<snipped complain wall>

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

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Posted by: penelopehannibal.8947

penelopehannibal.8947

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

Not sure why they think anyone should take their opinion seriously after that signature.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

Not sure why they think anyone should take their opinion seriously after that signature.

Agreed.

@CMM: Please consider changing your quote to a: […snip…] or something similar. Only ‘cause if that post warrants an infraction, those that quote infracted posts can also get warnings/infractions just for having the post repeated in their text. I’d hate to see you get singed by that guy’s burning bridge.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

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The OP is both factually correct and yet wrong about what’s going on:

Any game that lasts 4 years has people who leave because they are bored or dislike the inevitable changes made to the game. So of course, there will be haters, sometimes very loud ones. Because people are passionate about a game they love, those posts will increase as a fraction of new ones.

However, the existence of lots of salty comments doesn’t mean that the majority of players hate the game. If that were true, ANet wouldn’t be working on LS3 and a second expac.

So the question isn’t “guild wars 2 — what happened?” Instead, it’s, “after nearly four years, what do you like better? what’s worse for you?”

tl;dr the OP asks a leading question that presumes a single point of view, rather than inviting comments across the spectrum of our complicated feelings.

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CMM.6712

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

Not sure why they think anyone should take their opinion seriously after that signature.

Agreed.

@CMM: Please consider changing your quote to a: […snip…] or something similar. Only ‘cause if that post warrants an infraction, those that quote infracted posts can also get warnings/infractions just for having the post repeated in their text. I’d hate to see you get singed by that guy’s burning bridge.

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Good idea, thank you

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Posted by: Teniz.5249

Teniz.5249

tl:dr

I see manifesto trailer

Hmm yes biggest lie of anet manifesto was pretty epic but the game didnt deliver at all.
Also the manifesto thing is 5 years old RIP

But at least anet wont get any more money from me only negative / trolly comments on their forum

So I gues spending 100+ € with gemstore just to use the forum counts as win?

Also here, have a colin laughing at you for buying GW2

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

The OP is both factually correct and yet wrong about what’s going on:

Any game that lasts 4 years has people who leave because they are bored or dislike the inevitable changes made to the game. So of course, there will be haters, sometimes very loud ones. Because people are passionate about a game they love, those posts will increase as a fraction of new ones.

However, the existence of lots of salty comments doesn’t mean that the majority of players hate the game. If that were true, ANet wouldn’t be working on LS3 and a second expac.

So the question isn’t “guild wars 2 — what happened?” Instead, it’s, “after nearly four years, what do you like better? what’s worse for you?”

tl;dr the OP asks a leading question that presumes a single point of view, rather than inviting comments across the spectrum of our complicated feelings.

Your posts are always so balanced. I agree with this.

In many ways, I think the game is better today than it was at launch. A lot better.

But people seem to forget that we had no guesting or megaserver, that we had no wardrobe, that we had culling in WvW, that we had no gliding, that we couldn’t even preview the trading post. We had no wallet, no group looting, no auto-looting, the list goes on and on.

Did Anet make some mistakes? Sure they did. Many. But they did many really good things too.

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Posted by: jheryn.8390

jheryn.8390

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

Not sure why they think anyone should take their opinion seriously after that signature.

Agreed.

@CMM: Please consider changing your quote to a: […snip…] or something similar. Only ‘cause if that post warrants an infraction, those that quote infracted posts can also get warnings/infractions just for having the post repeated in their text. I’d hate to see you get singed by that guy’s burning bridge.

~EW

I’m probably glad I didn’t see the signature whatever it was. Looks like he removed it. Must have been bad. And after that post of his, I can only imagine.

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Posted by: Endless Soul.5178

Endless Soul.5178

Wow… from the wall of complain, to the wtf signature, just wow.

Not sure why they think anyone should take their opinion seriously after that signature.

Agreed.

@CMM: Please consider changing your quote to a: […snip…] or something similar. Only ‘cause if that post warrants an infraction, those that quote infracted posts can also get warnings/infractions just for having the post repeated in their text. I’d hate to see you get singed by that guy’s burning bridge.

~EW

I’m probably glad I didn’t see the signature whatever it was. Looks like he removed it. Must have been bad. And after that post of his, I can only imagine.

I think it was less that he voluntarily removed it, and more like it was reported.

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand, I agree with posters like Vanye. I’ve been playing the Guild Wars franchise since open beta 2005, but I’m a latercomer to Guild Wars 2 as I started playing it in April 2015. As Vanye pointed out, sure there’s some hiccups, but there’s also been a lot of improvements even since I started playing.

I’m having a great time with this game. I’m sorry others aren’t.

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Posted by: Ardenwolfe.8590

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It’s a moot question. If you don’t like the game, don’t play. If you’re still interested, please continue to play. Negative comments from people who still play have merit. Negative comments from people who don’t play have no merit.

At all.

They made their comment when they quit the game. It says it all to the MMO in question.

By no means am I happy with the state of the game right now. But to drag the manifesto from X-amount of years ago to discuss the negative comments on a YouTube video is beyond the pale.

It’s a promotional video trying to sell the product. It’s not stone tablets brought down from Mount Sinai. We already have enough criticism on the forums already, thanks.

Please don’t stir the pot.

Gone to Reddit.

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Posted by: Elothar.4382

Elothar.4382

The OP is both factually correct and yet wrong about what’s going on:

Any game that lasts 4 years has people who leave because they are bored or dislike the inevitable changes made to the game. So of course, there will be haters, sometimes very loud ones. Because people are passionate about a game they love, those posts will increase as a fraction of new ones.

However, the existence of lots of salty comments doesn’t mean that the majority of players hate the game. If that were true, ANet wouldn’t be working on LS3 and a second expac.

So the question isn’t “guild wars 2 — what happened?” Instead, it’s, “after nearly four years, what do you like better? what’s worse for you?”

tl;dr the OP asks a leading question that presumes a single point of view, rather than inviting comments across the spectrum of our complicated feelings.

Your posts are always so balanced. I agree with this.

In many ways, I think the game is better today than it was at launch. A lot better.

But people seem to forget that we had no guesting or megaserver, that we had no wardrobe, that we had culling in WvW, that we had no gliding, that we couldn’t even preview the trading post. We had no wallet, no group looting, no auto-looting, the list goes on and on.

Did Anet make some mistakes? Sure they did. Many. But they did many really good things too.

This.

Not speaking for anyone but myself. I love the game. I wasn’t thrilled with the approach to HoT but I still find things to do and look forward to logging in. For my preferences, a lot has changed for the better since initial launch. I won’t rattle off all of these things but they do include the current trait system, gliding, the wallet, dyes and skins account bound, new maps, interesting stories, and more than a little humor. What really works for me, though, is the GW2 community in-game. I’ve played a few MMOs and the folks I encounter in game are friendlier, more helpful, more civil and generally more positive than I’ve found in other games.

Again, this is just my take on it. Others may well see it differently.

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Posted by: Ashen.2907

Ashen.2907

What happened, can someone explain? Where it all failed so much?

It didn’t fail. Phrasing your question(s) in such terms is much how politicians and lawyers attempt to misdirect or mislead their audiences.

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

It’s a moot question. If you don’t like the game, don’t play. If you’re still interested, please continue to play. Negative comments from people who still play have merit. Negative comments from people who don’t play have no merit.

At all.

They made their comment when they quit the game. It says it all to the MMO in question.

By no means am I happy with the state of the game right now. But to drag the manifesto from X-amount of years ago to discuss the negative comments on a YouTube video is beyond the pale.

It’s a promotional video trying to sell the product. It’s not stone tablets brought down from Mount Sinai. We already have enough criticism on the forums already, thanks.

Please don’t stir the pot.

I understand what you want to say, but if there is still a lot of criticism on the forums as you say, then something is problematic.
I am trying to understand what made people comment in such way, was it really that they were over hyped, or things changed in such way it became “other” game?

Is it all that e-sport problem game has, so people have higher expectations of the game and then they after playing it don’t find pvp fun?

Is it raids and new gear?

Is it maybe the lack of things to do (gem shop issues)?

I know my reasons why I left the game – I played the game until I’ve finished what I wanted to do cuz GW was my 1st “MMO” ever, but the change in combat never felt right for me, so I moved on.

Is it lack of Anet’s communication? Or they do communicate but in a wrong way?

I am sorry if I disturbed someone, it was not my intention.
I haven’t been here for like 2 years and I’ve typed gw2 in youtube and was surprised at comments so I wondered what happened and can it be fixed?
PR is important today, comments like that made new players not even trying out this game and I know this game is for a lot of players.

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Posted by: Ardenwolfe.8590

Ardenwolfe.8590

Very well. ANet made promises they didn’t keep because certain parts of the community wanted something else. In order to meet this demand, ANet reverse the promises in the manifesto.

While this pleased that part of the community in the short-term, it enraged the ones who didn’t want those items (i.e. raids, expansions, etc.) in the long one.

Those persons came to this game and stuck with it for years based on how those promises, beforehand, were delivered consistently with bi-weekly to bi-monthly content that didn’t need grinding or long hours on their computer to make a goal within a certain time limit.

In other words, the game was very much catered to a casual audience.

Now that audience feels betrayed based off those business decisions, lack of communication, and sudden reversal all to please a minor, yet very vocal part of said community.

And you’re reading the results in the YouTube comments.

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I think it’s fair to say, even according to Google, opinions vary on Guild Wars 2. A load of comments on one YouTube video (which I haven’t actually watched because I’m always wary of people linking stuff in forums) doesn’t mean majority.

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I think it’s fair to say, even according to Google, opinions vary on Guild Wars 2. A load of comments on one YouTube video (which I haven’t actually watched because I’m always wary of people linking stuff in forums) doesn’t mean majority.

Opinions wary, but when 90% (and its probably even higher) comments are negative on video that is the most known advertising for gw2 then it doesn’t matter if it wary because it hard influences a lot of potential players – it becomes problem, a problem that is not fixed.
If you didn’t read comments then I can’t really take your answer for real I am sorry.

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if there is still a lot of criticism on the forums as you say, then something is problematic.

No.

People complaining is not an indication that there is a problem with a product, it is an indication that they are people.

It could be discovered that GW2 cures all known diseases, prolongs life, and makes one more attractive to the opposite sex and still people would find reasons to complain.

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Very well. ANet made promises they didn’t keep because certain parts of the community wanted something else. In order to meet this demand, ANet reverse the promises in the manifesto.

While this pleased that part of the community in the short-term, it enraged the ones who didn’t want those items (i.e. raids, expansions, etc.) in the long one.

Those persons came to this game and stuck with it for years based on how those promises, beforehand, were delivered consistently with bi-weekly to bi-monthly content that didn’t need grinding or long hours on their computer to make a goal within a certain time limit.

In other words, the game was very much catered to a casual audience.

Now that audience feels betrayed based off those business decisions, lack of communication, and sudden reversal all to please a minor, yet very vocal part of said community.

And you’re reading the results in the YouTube comments.

I much better understand this problem. So if I understand it well, it’s probably lose of a focus on what this game should be that created this problem?

Maybe they should make new video, or change their PR? Would that help things out?
Maybe create better and friendly atmosphere in relationship between players and Anet?
I cannot show this video to friends that ask me about gw2…I am afraid it will put them away and I don’t know of better one

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I think it’s fair to say, even according to Google, opinions vary on Guild Wars 2. A load of comments on one YouTube video (which I haven’t actually watched because I’m always wary of people linking stuff in forums) doesn’t mean majority.

Opinions wary, but when 90% (and its probably even higher) comments are negative on video that is the most known advertising for gw2 then it doesn’t matter if it wary because it hard influences a lot of potential players – it becomes problem, a problem that is not fixed.
If you didn’t read comments then I can’t really take your answer for real I am sorry.

The problem is your source material is 6 years old and released 2 years before the game came out. Which severely reduces the number of post-launch comments. A better video would be a post-launch review by a famous YouTuber just after launch of the base game or just after launch of HoT. Not only that, but your video is not from ANet or NCSoft’s account which reduces the number of comments as well. Feedback for videos like this are more often than not given on the company’s official channels.

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Indeed, you may find the comments, and again, the upvotes, more positive by going to the official YouTube channel:

(Just as in the other video, make sure to read all the comments, and consider the up- and down-votes.)

Good luck.

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People complaining is not an indication that there is a problem with a product, it is an indication that they are people.

Yes and no. While yes, someone complaining no matter what, is inevitable, if there are enough complaints . . . well . . . you know what they say about smoke and fire, right?

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It could be discovered that GW2 cures all known diseases, prolongs life, and makes one more attractive to the opposite sex and still people would find reasons to complain.

Well let’s be real, we all know this one’s true.

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Posted by: Mikali.9651

Mikali.9651

I think it’s fair to say, even according to Google, opinions vary on Guild Wars 2. A load of comments on one YouTube video (which I haven’t actually watched because I’m always wary of people linking stuff in forums) doesn’t mean majority.

Opinions wary, but when 90% (and its probably even higher) comments are negative on video that is the most known advertising for gw2 then it doesn’t matter if it wary because it hard influences a lot of potential players – it becomes problem, a problem that is not fixed.
If you didn’t read comments then I can’t really take your answer for real I am sorry.

The problem is your source material is 6 years old and released 2 years before the game came out. Which severely reduces the number of post-launch comments. A better video would be a post-launch review by a famous YouTuber just after launch of the base game or just after launch of HoT. Not only that, but your video is not from ANet or NCSoft’s account which reduces the number of comments as well. Feedback for videos like this are more often than not given on the company’s official channels.

Exactly! The problem is that my source material is 6 years old and it gets negative feedbacks, being it official or the one from machinima – ratio of negative feedbacks is lower on official one, but not really by much… :/
That is why it should be looked upon and dealt with.
I would like if Anet would create new video – maybe mix of all things that happened in the game with good and up-to-date informations to solve this PR/Marketing problem – cuz it IS there…and it does influence choice potential customers will make.

It’s just a suggestion after I’ve realised now what happened, power is not in my hands but I think something can be done to fix this problem.
It seems I am not the first one, and probably the last one that is pointing out the Manifesto video – if it’s not true anymore, then up-to-date video should follow because that one we have does more problems then it should.

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