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"Guild Wars" a misleading title
A fantasy of sci-fi cyborg implants grafted into the desiccated flesh of Guild Wars’ corpse.
Story mode dungeon is more or less about Destiny’s Edge, which is very much a guild.
Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
That’s not what ‘Guild Wars’ means in the game. Lrn2lore.
How does one commence in loring ?
“ALL IS VAIN”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/gf-left-me-coz-of-ladderboar/page/6#post3486969
The Devs who were supposed to be making GvG for this game all got captured by Carbine and made it for Wildstar.
They are called War plots. Each guild has a castle they need to build up and defend. You can siege other guilds castles and earn powerful guild rewards. Additionally your PvE team can “capture” some raid bosses instead of killing them by meeting certain conditions and let them loose onto other guilds while seiging their castle.
If you are looking for GvG then Wildstar is your game not GW2.
Sometimes peeps fight in guild chat, and sometimes its only 2 of them = guild wars 2:D.
Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
Might I suggest you read the whole thread before commenting?
I would say it is rather clear that my post was answering posts about the game having only 1% of stuff to do with guilds, which is false, and thus I supplied some information to show that there is indeed quite a bit of guild stuff going on.
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It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
No its very much Guild Wars just 250 years have past in the story line. And like real life you do not see ppl dwell in the past for new things its foolish to think you can just repeat the old over and over and think you will be ok in doing so.
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It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
No its very much Guild Wars just 250 years have past in the story line. And like real life you do not see ppl dwell in the past for new things its foolish to think you can just repeat the old over and over and think you will be ok in doing so.
I dwell in the past, I’m an historian. =D
And I can tell you that GW2 has very little in common with its predecessor. Whether speaking thematically, scientifically, historically, or mechanically…they are essentially two different Tyria’s.
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It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
No its very much Guild Wars just 250 years have past in the story line. And like real life you do not see ppl dwell in the past for new things its foolish to think you can just repeat the old over and over and think you will be ok in doing so.
I dwell in the past, I’m an historian. =D
And I can tell you that GW2 has very little in common with its predecessor. Whether speaking thematically, scientifically, historically, or mechanically…they are essentially two different Tyria’s.
Well ya look at about 250 years in real life ago look how much things have changed if it was the same it would be very odd.
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It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
No its very much Guild Wars just 250 years have past in the story line. And like real life you do not see ppl dwell in the past for new things its foolish to think you can just repeat the old over and over and think you will be ok in doing so.
I dwell in the past, I’m an historian. =D
And I can tell you that GW2 has very little in common with its predecessor. Whether speaking thematically, scientifically, historically, or mechanically…they are essentially two different Tyria’s.
Well ya look at about 250 years in real life ago look how much things have changed if it was the same it would be very odd.
This is a game, not real life. The same rules do not apply. Besides, I never said change was wrong. I said the changes are not only implausible, but also fake.
If you’re going to progress a narrative, do so in a way that honestly reflects the culture, style, and gameplay of the game at hand. Throwing every single fantasy cliche and trope you can think of into Tyria is not only ridiculous, but also entirely uncalled for. It was doing just fine on its own before.
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Forum Wars!!! It’s a spin-off!! And reflects GW2 as little as GW2 reflects its’ predecessor! I win ;p Destiny’s Edge and story mode dungeons…pffft… Why don’t you just call GW1 veterans stupid and not be so coy about it….
A thread that could have been about cool ideas for guild modes and additions devolves into “Guild Wars 2 isn’t Guild Wars 1, how dare they not copy paste the original like many other sequels do!”
OT: Yes, I wish my guild had more stuff to do together other than guild missions. We do monthly guild zergs and WvW stuff, but that’s about it. I could do zergs with anyone. Guild versus guild would be nice. But maybe other things that are more out of the box could be done to? More types of Guild Missions? A section of the mists just for Guild stuff like Guild Halls and GvG? Just ideas. In the CDI about horizontal progression people talked a lot about housing, guild halls and stuff. I assume that we will see more guild content in the future. Or at least, I hope we will.
The OP was about the title of the game. It wasn’t about ‘hip new guild ideas’. Maybe you were as mislead by the title of this thread as others were about the title of the game…
It’s definitely not a “Guild Wars” game, it just got used as a marketing strategy. It’s more like “Tyria online”. The 2 games don’t even have the same lore really.
No its very much Guild Wars just 250 years have past in the story line. And like real life you do not see ppl dwell in the past for new things its foolish to think you can just repeat the old over and over and think you will be ok in doing so.
I dwell in the past, I’m an historian. =D
And I can tell you that GW2 has very little in common with its predecessor. Whether speaking thematically, scientifically, historically, or mechanically…they are essentially two different Tyria’s.
Well ya look at about 250 years in real life ago look how much things have changed if it was the same it would be very odd.
This is a game, not real life. The same rules do not apply. Besides, I never said change was wrong. I said the changes are not only implausible, but also fake.
If you’re going to progress a narrative, do so in a way that honestly reflects the culture, style, and gameplay of the game at hand. Throwing every single fantasy cliche and trope you can think of into Tyria is not only ridiculous, but also entirely uncalled for. It was doing just fine on its own before.
They did though they have changed thing off of more then just humans running things more then just the human gods being the only thing that is important. We have chart befriending humans because that what time dose. Your asking to play gw1 not to play gw2 you are saying changes is bad and your unable to take the fact that the world of gw2 is what happens to the world when its more then just humans.
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I think the better question is why is it called Guild Wars 2 when it has absolutely nothing in common with the first game. Why even make a sequel?
My question is primarily this: What makes this game “Guild Wars?”
In the first game, very little of it was really about the “Guild Wars,” which was described as a monumental turning point in history. However, one of the main mechanics behind the game was Guilds and battles between them, so this made sense.
Guild Wars 2, from what I can tell, only uses the title “Guild Wars” in an attempt to claim itself as a successor to GW1 and gather players from the first game to play in this second game. The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game. In fact, the only similarity between GW1 and GW2 is the continent, races, …
What’s in a name?
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The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game.
We’re clearly not playing the same game.
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Ah, Yes xXxOcaxXx. That answers my question. Sorry for not looking before posting.
Basically This:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Guild-Wars-a-misleading-title/first#post3542051
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Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game.
We’re clearly not playing the same game.
Seriously the Guild Wars lore is almost everywhere… This Scarlet living story nonsense is out in left field, but most of the main story picks up where Eye of the North left off and a lot of the side story is continuation of Prophesies arcs.
The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game.
We’re clearly not playing the same game.
Seriously the Guild Wars lore is almost everywhere… This Scarlet living story nonsense is out in left field, but most of the main story picks up where Eye of the North left off and a lot of the side story is continuation of Prophesies arcs.
You know there are more story then just the current LS right? Its just kind of the story that on going now there a lot of story hitting at the past game and keeps the story from the last game though 250 years…
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The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game.
We’re clearly not playing the same game.
Seriously the Guild Wars lore is almost everywhere… This Scarlet living story nonsense is out in left field, but most of the main story picks up where Eye of the North left off and a lot of the side story is continuation of Prophesies arcs.
You know there are more story then just the current LS right? Its just kind of the story that on going now there a lot of story hitting at the past game and keeps the story from the last game though 250 years…
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say there… but it sounds like you didn’t read my whole post.
When Guild Wars first came out the PvE was mostly throwaway. They originally built a very loose PvE system around GvG, which was the focus. Eventually, most of their playerbase was requesting more PvE content, they tried to compromise with Guild Wars: Factions. As time went on GvG was one of the less focused on aspects by the community and this can be reflected by the content Arenanet decided to work on throughout Guild Wars later years.
Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
Might I suggest you read the whole thread before commenting?
I would say it is rather clear that my post was answering posts about the game having only 1% of stuff to do with guilds, which is false, and thus I supplied some information to show that there is indeed quite a bit of guild stuff going on.
Reading the whole thread?
Yeaaah…no……..I’m sorry but I have a handicap where when I open a thread my brain automatically ignores all posts except one.
But don’t worry, your elaborate clarification opened my mind and I can now see that GW2 consists at least of >1.1% “stuff to do with guilds”.
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Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
Might I suggest you read the whole thread before commenting?
I would say it is rather clear that my post was answering posts about the game having only 1% of stuff to do with guilds, which is false, and thus I supplied some information to show that there is indeed quite a bit of guild stuff going on.Reading the whole thread?
Yeaaah…no……..I’m sorry but I have a handicap where when I open a thread my brain automatically ignores all posts except one.
But don’t worry, your elaborate clarification opened my mind and I can now see that GW2 consists at least of >1.1% “stuff to do with guilds”.
In other words, you can’t be bothered reading other people’s views and explanations on things and dismiss them out of hand, but you demand that everybody else give your meaningless posts their fullest attention?
Right.
Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
Might I suggest you read the whole thread before commenting?
I would say it is rather clear that my post was answering posts about the game having only 1% of stuff to do with guilds, which is false, and thus I supplied some information to show that there is indeed quite a bit of guild stuff going on.Reading the whole thread?
Yeaaah…no……..I’m sorry but I have a handicap where when I open a thread my brain automatically ignores all posts except one.
But don’t worry, your elaborate clarification opened my mind and I can now see that GW2 consists at least of >1.1% “stuff to do with guilds”.In other words, you can’t be bothered reading other people’s views and explanations on things and dismiss them out of hand, but you demand that everybody else give your meaningless posts their fullest attention?
Right.
I find your lack of sarcasm detection disturbing.
A fantasy of sci-fi cyborg implants grafted into the desiccated flesh of Guild Wars’ corpse.
Och, we don’t even have alliances in this game to do alliance battles. I’ve said it before on GW2Guru but the multi guild feature feels like someone played GW for about 10 minutes and didn’t fully understand how alliances worked then implemented their version of it into GW2.
The guild part of the name I think was just to get bums on seats (for want of a better term). If they called the game Tyrian Warriors Olympic Grindfest to more accurately describe it, it would have gotten less interest no doubt.
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Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
I was searching for an apt “rofl/lol gif” to copy in here, but alas, all of them fell terribly short to reflect the boundless hilarity reading your ingenious post had caused.
You won the Internet today, sir, and I’d hazard the guess that Mad King Thorn would’ve renounced his claim to his esteemed title and bestowed it upon you.
A fantasy of sci-fi cyborg implants grafted into the desiccated flesh of Guild Wars’ corpse.
Ahh okeyyyy, that’s why this game is called “Guild Wars”, I get it…now it all makes soo much sense!
Good one btw…
Might I suggest you read the whole thread before commenting?
I would say it is rather clear that my post was answering posts about the game having only 1% of stuff to do with guilds, which is false, and thus I supplied some information to show that there is indeed quite a bit of guild stuff going on.Reading the whole thread?
Yeaaah…no……..I’m sorry but I have a handicap where when I open a thread my brain automatically ignores all posts except one.
But don’t worry, your elaborate clarification opened my mind and I can now see that GW2 consists at least of >1.1% “stuff to do with guilds”.In other words, you can’t be bothered reading other people’s views and explanations on things and dismiss them out of hand, but you demand that everybody else give your meaningless posts their fullest attention?
Right.
I find your lack of sarcasm detection disturbing.
I think I need more coffee…
The lore in which the “Guild Wars” took place plays no role in this new game.
We’re clearly not playing the same game.
Seriously the Guild Wars lore is almost everywhere… This Scarlet living story nonsense is out in left field, but most of the main story picks up where Eye of the North left off and a lot of the side story is continuation of Prophesies arcs.
You know there are more story then just the current LS right? Its just kind of the story that on going now there a lot of story hitting at the past game and keeps the story from the last game though 250 years…
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say there… but it sounds like you didn’t read my whole post.
I think it was a response to the OP but quotes only go 2 back
Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
I was searching for an apt “rofl/lol gif” to copy in here, but alas, all of them fell terribly short to reflect the boundless hilarity reading your ingenious post had caused.
You won the Internet today, sir, and I’d hazard the guess that Mad King Thorn would’ve renounced his claim to his esteemed title and bestowed it upon you.
Thanks…I think lol
But if you read the novels you’d know that was literally true. They’re a guild and they’re at war with the elder dragons.
The Guilds need to combine to fight the dragons. I’m not sure that’s particularly ingenuous. It seems fairly obvious to me.
Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
I was searching for an apt “rofl/lol gif” to copy in here, but alas, all of them fell terribly short to reflect the boundless hilarity reading your ingenious post had caused.
You won the Internet today, sir, and I’d hazard the guess that Mad King Thorn would’ve renounced his claim to his esteemed title and bestowed it upon you.
Yeah. It was pretty funny how he schooled you with an extremely relevant point regarding the OPs question.
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Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
I was searching for an apt “rofl/lol gif” to copy in here, but alas, all of them fell terribly short to reflect the boundless hilarity reading your ingenious post had caused.
You won the Internet today, sir, and I’d hazard the guess that Mad King Thorn would’ve renounced his claim to his esteemed title and bestowed it upon you.
Yeah. It was pretty funny how he schooled you with an extremely relevant point regarding the OPs question.
sigh
Schooling, you say?
Copied over from the first page:
On a bit more serious note: you’d expect from a game heavily implied to be built on the Guild Wars of old – and the last, bloodiest war that raged for 57 years, making the bedding for all the world-shaping calamities to come – to actually make allusions to those. But at least not disrespect it as much as it has become one of the main foci of the writing team! I mean, you wouldn’t handwave away the importance of the very reason these wars broke out, would you?
Still, aside from Trahearne’s monologue in the story step of A Light in the Darkness and a footnote in a secluded outpost in Malchor’s Leap, there’s absolutely zero reference to the Guild Wars.
The Guilds need to combine to fight the dragons. I’m not sure that’s particularly ingenuous. It seems fairly obvious to me.
Good thing that is so well reflected in the game… not. For further information, please check out the paragraphs above. Reading through the whole, merged thread to realize the point of both OPs questions wouldn’t hurt either.
A fantasy of sci-fi cyborg implants grafted into the desiccated flesh of Guild Wars’ corpse.
Internet is also a misleading title then.
Destiny’s Edge was a guild. They are at war with the elder dragons. They fought and defeated dragon champions.
Guild Wars doesn’t have to mean guild vs. guild. It can mean guild vs. environment.
I was searching for an apt “rofl/lol gif” to copy in here, but alas, all of them fell terribly short to reflect the boundless hilarity reading your ingenious post had caused.
You won the Internet today, sir, and I’d hazard the guess that Mad King Thorn would’ve renounced his claim to his esteemed title and bestowed it upon you.
Yeah. It was pretty funny how he schooled you with an extremely relevant point regarding the OPs question.
sigh
Schooling, you say?
Copied over from the first page:
On a bit more serious note: you’d expect from a game heavily implied to be built on the Guild Wars of old – and the last, bloodiest war that raged for 57 years, making the bedding for all the world-shaping calamities to come – to actually make allusions to those. But at least not disrespect it as much as it has become one of the main foci of the writing team! I mean, you wouldn’t handwave away the importance of the very reason these wars broke out, would you?
Still, aside from Trahearne’s monologue in the story step of A Light in the Darkness and a footnote in a secluded outpost in Malchor’s Leap, there’s absolutely zero reference to the Guild Wars.
The Guilds need to combine to fight the dragons. I’m not sure that’s particularly ingenuous. It seems fairly obvious to me.
Good thing that is so well reflected in the game… not. For further information, please check out the paragraphs above. Reading through the whole, merged thread to realize the point of both OPs questions wouldn’t hurt either.
I didn’t post my initial comment in the whole merged thread, so I would have had to have read another thread to say that. The thread was merged after my post. So much for snide and unwarranted comments.
The game is very clear that Destiny’s Edge is a guild. I’m pretty sure everyone knows that. The entire dungeon path through the game, the story path, tells the story of Destiny’s Edge. It’s a major part of the game.
I played through all of Guild Wars 1, many MANY times and you know, in game, in PvE, the Guild Wars were virtually never referred to.
There was GvG in that game, but this is where it gets interesting. The interest in GvG over the years dwindled as the popularity of PvE increased.
When Anet originally designed Guild Wars 1, they thought that PvE would be a path to take people into PvP. They didn’t realize that people who like PvE often have very little interest in PvP.
Factions, the first expansion was heavily PvP oriented, and introduced Factions into the mix. Nightfall the next game in the series, didn’t expand PvP at all. Why? Because Anet was starting to see which side of the bread was actually buttered. PvE players didn’t necesssarily go to PvP end game.
So when Eye of the North came out, and the PvP players were ignored AGAIN they felt disenfranchised. But the truth is there really wasn’t as much interest in PvP in the later part of the game’s lifespan as there was in PvE.
Those who love PvP refuse to acknowledge this, but that doesn’t stop it from being true. The long term hard core PvP crowd started moving away from Guild Wars 1 long before Guild Wars 2 came out, but the hard core PvE crowd, a lot of it anyway, stayed.
Anet didn’t put Guild vs Guild in this game, possibly because by the time this game was being made, it wasn’t popular enough to bother with, even though a bunch of die hards who remember the good old days want it.
A lot of people bought this game for WvW and a lot of people bought this game for PvE. I’m not sure how many bought the game for PvP, but I’m certain most of them were disappointed.
As a PvE player myself, I never cared about GvG in Guild Wars 1, so for me and the large number of players like me, it didn’t enter into the equation at all.
But at least not disrespect it as much as it has become one of the main foci of the writing team! I mean, you wouldn’t handwave away the importance of the very reason these wars broke out, would you?
The reason I still care about the lore is because one writer simply can’t ruin the ENTIRE game; and despite their retcons to retcon retconning retcons there is still a lot around that does tie into the old lore. From a lore standpoint the game is a sequel with a horrifically executed story continuation from the prequel to it; having had it badly executed does not detract from the fact that it was intended to be a sequel.
However, forget entirely the lore, most people are here to complain about the lack of “official” GvG – which is certainly not something “Guild Wars” is about. One commonly requested feature for Guild Wars is ship battles; so pray tell – what exact game mode is an “Arche Age?” It isn’t one. It’s the name of the story of the first released title in the MMO. Furthermore, let’s say for instance sake that there were really very bloody [and possibly awesome] GvG Guild Wars 250 years ago in Tyria and that’s all it was about; does it not stand to reason that in 250 years something may change?
The title of something begets its story, not its mechanics. Guild Wars 2 has an incredibly broken story continuation from Guild Wars 1 but it is still a continuation. This thread is just another poke to get GvG into the game; and while I would like to see it too – I do remember being told it may be considered.
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wrong ..wrong… all wrong
fashion wars should be a proper name..
Archeage = Farmville with PK
I also thought Guild wars would be GvG. I also thought Diablo3 was going to be an awesome game like Diablo 2. Instead I paid 99aud for a game that should be a F2P android game. Guess anything goes in the gaming industry.
Players buying into the lore argument remind me of the players buying into the esportz hype at the start.
There is no denying that the lore in GW2 is as much of an afterthought as the pvp side of the game is. Not like it matters though.
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Players buying into the lore argument remind me of the players buying into the esportz hype at the start.
The lore in GW2 feels as much of an afterthought as the pvp side of the game does.
That is a seriously misinformed statement, the game has extremely rich lore that extends back into GW1. GW1 did have more lore/more apparent lore, but GW2 certainly sticks to it’s roots.
Players buying into the lore argument remind me of the players buying into the esportz hype at the start.
The lore in GW2 feels as much of an afterthought as the pvp side of the game does.GW2 certainly sticks to it’s roots…
… like parasitic fungi eating away the life of an old and mighty tree.
A fantasy of sci-fi cyborg implants grafted into the desiccated flesh of Guild Wars’ corpse.
Players buying into the lore argument remind me of the players buying into the esportz hype at the start.
The lore in GW2 feels as much of an afterthought as the pvp side of the game does.That is a seriously misinformed statement, the game has extremely rich lore that extends back into GW1. GW1 did have more lore/more apparent lore, but GW2 certainly sticks to it’s roots.
It extends back into GW1 to justify the name, yes. How exactly does that counter my argument on it being an afterthought though? Because it’s so ‘rich’?
Judging from the overall quality, it is the most plausible guess I can come up with, but everyone is free to believe what they wish to.
I can, however, slightly rephrase my initial argument for the purpose of accuracy…the lore feels as FORCED as the whole esports hype did at the start.
Players buying into the lore argument remind me of the players buying into the esportz hype at the start.
The lore in GW2 feels as much of an afterthought as the pvp side of the game does.GW2 certainly sticks to it’s roots…
… like parasitic fungi eating away the life of an old and mighty tree.
Haha, that is one of the best comparisons I’ve read as of late.
+1
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