Face it. People want BiS. Required or not is irrelevant. It is grindy.
And I have every intent to keep swinging my sword again.
And merely just wanting something is not a reason of why you should have it.
Then grinding is a reason why I should have it?
According to the game, yes.
If you disagree, then feel free to state why else you would deserve something other than “i want it”
Which supports my statement that it is grindy. Thank you!
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Face it. People want BiS. Required or not is irrelevant. It is grindy.
And I have every intent to keep swinging my sword again.
And merely just wanting something is not a reason of why you should have it.
Then grinding is a reason why I should have it?
According to the game, yes.
If you disagree, then feel free to state why else you would deserve something other than “i want it”
Which supports my statement that it is grindy. Thank you!
No offense meant, but that sounds like teenager logic to me.
If people think this game is grindy, they have never played:
EVE Online (OMG the grind in this game), Ragnarok Online, World of Warcraft, RIFT, AION, or… Well, basically any other MMO on the market, past or present.
Ah, I see you have played grind hells, as well. I feel your pain…..been there done that.
This game’s “grind” is a breeze compared to those mmos.
This game’s grind at the upper levels is completely optional, and not needed, unless you’re a min/maxer……and even then it is far less compared to other mmos upper level grinds for the best gear/stats, imo.
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I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
You might be right; I bought this game because I liked the GW2 Manifesto, but apparently they’ve taken a departure from said viewpoints.
I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
You might be right; I bought this game because I liked the GW2 Manifesto, but apparently they’ve taken a departure from said viewpoints.
No offense meant, but if you believe ANY mmo game company’s “manifesto”, then you’re being incredibly naive. They all do that just for hype, and nothing else. Some of it may end up to be true, but a large part of it never happens. At least in my experience.
jmo
If people think this game is grindy, they have never played:
EVE Online (OMG the grind in this game), Ragnarok Online, World of Warcraft, RIFT, AION, or… Well, basically any other MMO on the market, past or present.Ah, I see you have played grind hells, as well. I feel your pain…..been there done that.
This game’s “grind” is a breeze compared to those mmos.
This game’s grind at the upper levels is completely optional, and not needed, unless you’re a min/maxer……and even then it is far less compared to other mmos upper level grinds for the best gear/stats, imo.
My EVE Online sub just ended the day before last.
I made a good run, but I feel like after a year and a half of grinding, I made virtually no progress towards my end goal.
In fact, my end goal was probably a good 2 or 3 years away to be realistic.
So yes! I feel the same way about the grind in GW2! Completely optional, and even if you take it upon yourself to do it, it is nowhere near a true “grind”. :P
I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
You might be right; I bought this game because I liked the GW2 Manifesto, but apparently they’ve taken a departure from said viewpoints.
No offense meant, but if you believe ANY mmo game company’s “manifesto”, then you’re being incredibly naive.
jmo
Stop saying “no offense meant” when that’s exactly what you’re trying to accomplish.
Regardless, the whole premise of GW2 was that it would be a different kind of MMO with a cosmetic end-game where you could enjoy the content that you actually want to play without fear of a gear treadmill. Not to mention that ANet “doesn’t make grindy games”.
Obviously, the game hasn’t stood up to its core principles since release. ANet has a tendency to tease players with a carrot-on-a-stick and I’ve learned to take anything that Colin says with a grain of salt.
If people think this game is grindy, they have never played:
EVE Online (OMG the grind in this game), Ragnarok Online, World of Warcraft, RIFT, AION, or… Well, basically any other MMO on the market, past or present.Ah, I see you have played grind hells, as well. I feel your pain…..been there done that.
This game’s “grind” is a breeze compared to those mmos.
This game’s grind at the upper levels is completely optional, and not needed, unless you’re a min/maxer……and even then it is far less compared to other mmos upper level grinds for the best gear/stats, imo.
My EVE Online sub just ended the day before last.
I made a good run, but I feel like after a year and a half of grinding, I made virtually no progress towards my end goal.
In fact, my end goal was probably a good 2 or 3 years away to be realistic.
So yes! I feel the same way about the grind in GW2! Completely optional, and even if you take it upon yourself to do it, it is nowhere near a true “grind”. :P
Wow, do I ever agree with you on EvE. Eve is a very cool and very different beast when it comes to mmos, but the grind is just phenomenally absurd. I have quit and resubbed to it several times…..and I always end up saying the same thing to myself about the grind….“are you completely nuts???!!!”……….lol……I would have to give my life over to the game to get to any of the upper levels.
I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
You might be right; I bought this game because I liked the GW2 Manifesto, but apparently they’ve taken a departure from said viewpoints.
No offense meant, but if you believe ANY mmo game company’s “manifesto”, then you’re being incredibly naive.
jmo
Stop saying “no offense meant” when that’s exactly what you’re trying to accomplish.
Regardless, the whole premise of GW2 was that it would be a different kind of MMO with a cosmetic end-game where you could enjoy the content that you actually want to play without fear of a gear treadmill. Not to mention that ANet “doesn’t make grindy games”.
Obviously, the game hasn’t stood up to its core principles since release. ANet has a tendency to tease players with a carrot-on-a-stick and I’ve learned to take anything that Colin says with a grain of salt.
Sorry, but I actually do mean “no offense meant”.
You, on the other hand, are arguing about a PvE point that you have absolutely no real experience with.
So who is being the hypocrite?
Mods, am sorry for this post, and feel free to infract me, but people arguing for the sake of arguing, with no real experience in a thread that is making a point about pugs in PvE……are just trying to stir the pot. Nothing else.
Again, my apologies if I am offending anyone and/or hijacking the thread. I am done with this completely pointless argument with someone who doesn’t even play PvE.
I’d take WoW’s grind over this any day.
Seriously? If that is truly the case, then GW2 is most certainly not for you.
You might be right; I bought this game because I liked the GW2 Manifesto, but apparently they’ve taken a departure from said viewpoints.
No offense meant, but if you believe ANY mmo game company’s “manifesto”, then you’re being incredibly naive.
jmo
Stop saying “no offense meant” when that’s exactly what you’re trying to accomplish.
Regardless, the whole premise of GW2 was that it would be a different kind of MMO with a cosmetic end-game where you could enjoy the content that you actually want to play without fear of a gear treadmill. Not to mention that ANet “doesn’t make grindy games”.
Obviously, the game hasn’t stood up to its core principles since release. ANet has a tendency to tease players with a carrot-on-a-stick and I’ve learned to take anything that Colin says with a grain of salt.
Sorry, but I actually do mean “no offense meant”.
You, on the other hand, are arguing about a PvE point that you have absolutely no real experience with.
So who is being the hypocrite?
Mods, am sorry for this post, and feel free to infract me, but people arguing for the sake of arguing, with no real experience in a thread that is making a point about pugs in PvE……are just trying to stir the pot. Nothing else.
Again, my apologies if I am offending anyone and/or hijacking the thread. I am done with this completely pointless argument with someone who doesn’t even play PvE.
The grind in this game is across all game-modes. They’ve finally introduced gold sinks into sPvP, and it’s ridiculous how much gold it takes to fully gear out one character for WvW or dungeon runs… And that’s for one build.
My brother just got his first level 80 on Easter weekend and I was blown away with how long it took and how expensive it was to gear his character out; the megaserver changes made getting Temple gear super obnoxious and the rune and sigil updates resulted in a price hike in anything remotely desirable.
The fact that I spend almost all of my time in this game in WvW and sPvP is completely irrelevant, but feel free to continue the witch hunt.
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Face it. People want BiS. Required or not is irrelevant. It is grindy.
And I have every intent to keep swinging my sword again.
And merely just wanting something is not a reason of why you should have it.
Then grinding is a reason why I should have it?
According to the game, yes.
If you disagree, then feel free to state why else you would deserve something other than “i want it”
Which supports my statement that it is grindy. Thank you!
I was never disputing that it was grindy. I think it’s pretty stupid myself. My point is just because you want something doesn’t mean it should be given to you.
Legendaries were intended to be a long term, grindy goal. There’s really no point in complaining about it.
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Face it. People want BiS. Required or not is irrelevant. It is grindy.
And I have every intent to keep swinging my sword again.
And merely just wanting something is not a reason of why you should have it.
Then grinding is a reason why I should have it?
According to the game, yes.
If you disagree, then feel free to state why else you would deserve something other than “i want it”
Which supports my statement that it is grindy. Thank you!
I was never disputing that it was grindy. I think it’s pretty stupid myself. My point is just because you want something doesn’t mean it should be given to you.
Legendaries were intended to be a long term, grindy goal. There’s really no point in complaining about it.
Since you went there, I see it in a different light. We’re all what I call paid-in-full customers and BiS is part of the content in my book. BiS does not have to mean legendary. I could be convinced that it does include it but that’s neither here nor there for this conversation. The answer to your question is that I’m a paid in full customer – that’s why I deserve it. And to keep that from ruffling too many feathers, that is my opinion.
I also think things like applied fortitude/strength should be given to those new to WvW. Training wheels if you will. And that those with lots of WvW ranks shouldn’t have it. Please don’t take that in the wrong light. I have enough free rank points to purchase both of those goodies and I’ve elected not to do so. Who knows, I may spend them at some point. The main point here is that I still have a blast in WvW. And, I really don’t see why people care so much about others NOT having BiS. What truly gets me is how negative most of said posts seem.
The funny part about the responses to my posts: my first post was a compliment to the game. “It is by far the most grindy game I’ve every played for any length of time.” See what I did there?
My second post. People would use BiS if they had it and it’s irrelevant to bring up need. Anyone who is going to play for some time will run into the grind wall that is BiS. It doesn’t need to be there or at least not so high. And here comes the compliment again: I’m going to keep swinging my sword!
At this point I do have a legendary weapon that I crafted. Yes, it was a grind. I’ve almost repeated said grind. And before I do so the third time, I’ll have enough extra gold to flat out buy another from the TP.
It is grindy. And I’m going to go swing my sword again!
Honestly OP, do you hear yourself when you write down something like the title of this thread?
I have over 1000 hours in this game, and it NEVER. EVER. felt grindy. What do you want to accomplish? Play through a fun story that lasts pretty long and can be either enjoyed as a singleplayer or coop experience? Check, no need to grind. Sure, there are level requirements for each story step, but you know, we have a huge world that rewards for exploration and is full of fantastic content and lore. That’s your own (very sad) problem if you only see red names to hit from all this.
But let’s see it from a different perspective, what else you want to achieve, beyond spending 100 and 100 hours with world completition and story. PvP? Everybody equally buffed to max level, has ZERO cost or “possible to screw up” decisions, and just as powerful as anyone else having access to the same high level item sets. What else? WvW? Buffed to max level, uses PvE gear. Unless you want to roam alone or in a small group, your gear doesn’t even matter in zergs. I had fun an got 20 WvW ranks with leveling up a guardian there from lv20 to 80.
But let’s go even futher, what else you want to do? Get the desired armor set of your choice? Well, you have dungeons for that. It is indeed sad that people see them only as a “skip everything, even videos I’ve never seen, stack up in a corner and nuke everything to hell”, but you can get your complete armor set pretty fast. Fast? Compared to what? It is endgame gear. Something you can also buy with a different skin from the trading post. With the money you make with playing PvP or PvE. Did I mentioned you can now also get that armor set by playing PvP? You know, that PvP I mentioned ^above? Is that grind, like red names you hit and that’s it? Poor you.
Oh, I misunderstood you, my apologies. You want ascended armors? Something, that was introduced to the game because ANet did admit they made endgame gear too easy to get for everyone? Something that is more like a prestige thing, barely (max 5%) better than the just mentioned exotic sets? Even their skins are ugly as hell. Well, prestige is called prestige for a good reason, because it’s not meant to be for everyone. Because it means something, and if you want shortcuts and easy to get backdoors, you don’t deserve it. Same goes for legendary items, that are called legendary for a very good reason – something I’ll never manage to get even close to, but you know what? I respect the time and effort, work and wealth invested to those weapons. And that my friend, is something you earn, not something you cry for on forums and be happy for a day or two if you get it for almost free (thanks god this isn’t that kind of place), while not even realizing you just destroyed something much bigger than you. But who cares, you have your shiny sword, right?
Too bad i can’t like ur post more than once
. back to the main poster…Ohhh you know NOTHING about grind feast xD ever heared of “dragon nest” so drop whining and go do some more dungeons, story and champ trains….
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Legendary – Hard to get – High cost – Most wanted – Alot of players show of.
Another weapon – Easy to get – Low cost – Everyone has – Few players show of.
Starting to say this is just my opinion but most legendary Weapons looks like crap and even if they don’t majority of all players are using them to show us what they have got. So I wouldn’t wanna be just like everyone else. Well obviosly the 2H-Swords have obvious effects and many likes it but please take a look around and I am sure that you can start counting them. But as for Seraph Greatsword(http://argos-soft.net/GW2/WeaponGallery/index.php?weapon=6&skinID=100fd5d&lang=en)… How many can you count using that sword?
I think most people grind in this game for bragging rights becouse there is no point in grinding in this game realy. Most of the stuff you will get eventually just by playing the game and enjoy it. As I have said before, the only thing IMO that I can think of is grindy is Dungeon armor and weapons since the only way to get it is by doing the same 3-4 dungeon paths over and over and over again. Well now you can play PvP to get them and guess what? I do that and it is way wonderfull and IMO no grind.
I have played GW2 since headstart and I am pretty sure I can get myself a Legendary now if I wan’t, though I have never got a Precursor drop
I am totaly against grind and I don’t feel that GW2 is even near any other MMO I have played when it comes to grind and these games isn’t even Korean games.