Guild Wars 2

Lorgus.6148:

Telemin.7380:

Aside from the obvious /sarcasm, this is one thing they have said they wont bring over, various times.

Do you have a source on that? Also, there’s no saying that anet won’t change their minds, like with ascended gear, levelling revamp etc.

2 years now , after the ascended gear did we have more gear trendmills ?
I can link you games, where till now , they had 6-8 sets to obtain and less content , while their company makes 1 billion dollars .

Dont get me wrong , but 1 new ascended set will be introduced for sure , with the introduction of a new x-pack .
They will keep balancing dungeons-world bosses encounters to be killed , by ppl with exotics and only ’’speedrunner’’ or ppl that grew up chasing the carrot for the rest of their lifes will get them ..

Where they said , they wont ever ever ever change the lvling revamp in order to help ppl that dont know what to do or where to go ?
They build those mtrics , based on the freeback , when the game lanched on EU+USA and they wanted to eventually fix it .
They dont want to go all over again the same mistakes …

Edit: So lets get straight ….
If the company creates a Feature Patch that aims to imrove the game , the uninteligence veterans will whine that the game caters to new players …
If they ease the pain of new players , that get lost on gw2 and dont know whatb to do … then again the uninteligence veterans will whine …
If moronic ppl stay for 2 years in a game that they dont like … what makes them ? .. :P

I’ve seen what a VIP system does to an actual F2P title, not a B2P title like Guild Wars 2, in the western market. It reduced the player base. Basically, over the course of a year, everyone knew mostly everyone of our players. There were very few players coming into the game. It lowered our revenues (and we were pestered by the suits who has no clue at all about the western market to add even more damaging mechanics from the eastern market, with the goal being to increase revenue from the cash shop). I sure hope they are good on their word of never adding things like this here, that they restrain themselves, because if they don’t, I fear that’s the end of Guild Wars 2 as we know it. It’ll see a major decrease in players, not a gain. And although that doesn’t mean they won’t see players in the game, they will be losing out financially. I’ll see history repeat itself like with the game I used to work for. It’d take a miracle for that to not happen. Especially since this game costs money up front.

I’ll just have to trust they are good on their statement from months past, that those things was reserved for China only, and would never find their way here. Then again, they did say we’d see Legendary trinkets by the end of 2013. There was talk about this Precursor Scavenger Hunt.. they say a lot of things.

I don’t see this idea flying in the west, at least not in the form that it’s being presented here.

A lot of the benefits listed in the image are things ANet already sells, and things a lot of people have already bought. Why on earth would I want to rent a character slot or bank space, as opposed to a permanent purchase? Gemstore discounts seem like a pretty silly reason to subscribe to VIP, as you are essentially paying money for a lower price on some items. Teleport to Friend seems somewhat convenient, though to be honest with Waypoints everywhere I hardly see the point. Maybe if you are new or don’t have map coverage, I dunno. Additional Skill Points sounds like a strong movement toward “Pay to Win,” although for veteran players they will really need to invent some more uses for skill points. I really don’t know what to do with mine anymore.

I’m sure some people would subscribe to this, either because they have money to burn, or just for the prestige icon to brag about. But I don’t think it would be worth the public stigma of entering the realm of subscription-based games, the negative press, the (former) fan reaction, the Pay-to-Win accusations, the seriously questionable value, etc.

I think the 5 trades a day is 5 trades at one time a day compared to having to wait between trades a few seconds to post again instead of “error attempting to sell.” and trading one at a time slowly.

I’m sure you all will jump on that.

Vayne.8563:

Lévis.5489:

I don’t trust Anet on their words. They already said that the NA version won’t be like the Chinese version. Now, the game is level gated like the Chinese version. Flip Flop, Flip Flop.

Repeating the same falsehood doesn’t make it true. Can you show me where Anet said this?

To my knowledge Anet has only ever said we won’t have the VIP here, nothing at all about the rest of the client. Three people have said it, and no one has been able to provide the quote. Can you?

Where exactly did they said that? I only could find this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/VIP-Membership/page/5#post3474276

They said “This particular experiment is not being tested for the West.”. Keep in mind, these new leveling restrictions wasn’t tested for the West either, still, we got them.

illgot.1056:

I doubt GW2 will be FTP like SWTOR.

SWTOR failed because they tried to survive on box sales and subscription only.

They panicked and came up with their free to play model on the fly. GW2 was developed with the current model in mind and was developed quite well around it.

The VIP would only be an optional subscription model which offered additional benefits you would usually find in the cash shop.

My guess is that everything listed in the VIP bundle will also be sold separately in the cash shop, but the benefit for being VIP is that you save more gems and after 12 months of being a VIP you gain a precursor (which may not have the same value once we start crafting precursors).

I still don’t like the idea, like you said, the system works, you buy what you want if and when you want (disregarding temp stuff obviously) would you save gems? Probably, but would you really? You’re getting stuff you don’t mind but at the same time you’d never buy separately.

It’s the same thing with phone contracts, mine doesn’t have a subscription/mandatory fee which means the calls are more expensive, but I spend 4 times less in a year window.
For me these kind of tactics just feel dishonest, and then you have the precursor…

Before anything, an item to have any value in an MMO has to be rare, that means MOST people can’t have it.
Precursor crafting is said to be on the works for over a year, I think it will never come, that means this VIP system would be the only sure way for one, need I say more?

And I don’t even care about legendary weapons, I got a precursor dropped from Jormag that I could use in 2 chats and I just sold the thing, they just look silly, the ultimate prove people don’t mind looking like fabulous clowns just to get some sense of entitlement.

By the way, a much better way for a sure precursor would be 500 laurels, just saying Anet, quick and simple.

Dean Calaway.9718:

illgot.1056:

I doubt GW2 will be FTP like SWTOR.

SWTOR failed because they tried to survive on box sales and subscription only.

They panicked and came up with their free to play model on the fly. GW2 was developed with the current model in mind and was developed quite well around it.

The VIP would only be an optional subscription model which offered additional benefits you would usually find in the cash shop.

My guess is that everything listed in the VIP bundle will also be sold separately in the cash shop, but the benefit for being VIP is that you save more gems and after 12 months of being a VIP you gain a precursor (which may not have the same value once we start crafting precursors).

I still don’t like the idea, like you said, the system works, you buy what you want if and when you want (disregarding temp stuff obviously) would you save gems? Probably, but would you really? You’re getting stuff you don’t mind but at the same time you’d never buy separately.

It’s the same thing with phone contracts, mine doesn’t have a subscription/mandatory fee which means the calls are more expensive, but I spend 4 times less in a year window.
For me these kind of tactics just feel dishonest, and then you have the precursor…

Before anything, an item to have any value in an MMO has to be rare, that means MOST people can’t have it.
Precursor crafting is said to be on the works for over a year, I think it will never come, that means this VIP system would be the only sure way for one, need I say more?

And I don’t even care about legendary weapons, I got a precursor dropped from Jormag that I could use in 2 chats and I just sold the thing, they just look silly, the ultimate prove people don’t mind looking like fabulous clowns just to get some sense of entitlement.

By the way, a much better way for a sure precursor would be 500 laurels, just saying Anet, quick and simple.

for some players yes and the VIP package would be optional, just like everything in the cash shop.

Scipio.3204:

Vayne.8563:

Lévis.5489:

I don’t trust Anet on their words. They already said that the NA version won’t be like the Chinese version. Now, the game is level gated like the Chinese version. Flip Flop, Flip Flop.

Repeating the same falsehood doesn’t make it true. Can you show me where Anet said this?

To my knowledge Anet has only ever said we won’t have the VIP here, nothing at all about the rest of the client. Three people have said it, and no one has been able to provide the quote. Can you?

Where exactly did they said that? I only could find this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/VIP-Membership/page/5#post3474276

They said “This particular experiment is not being tested for the West.”. Keep in mind, these new leveling restrictions wasn’t tested for the West either, still, we got them.

That is the quote. That said, I would like to see this statement reiterated. VIP status is a terrible idea. Considering how many people already feel like precursors are RNG only, offering the ability to buy one in monthly installments would make people quit on a much more frequent basis.

Dean Calaway.9718:

illgot.1056:

I doubt GW2 will be FTP like SWTOR.

SWTOR failed because they tried to survive on box sales and subscription only.

They panicked and came up with their free to play model on the fly. GW2 was developed with the current model in mind and was developed quite well around it.

The VIP would only be an optional subscription model which offered additional benefits you would usually find in the cash shop.

My guess is that everything listed in the VIP bundle will also be sold separately in the cash shop, but the benefit for being VIP is that you save more gems and after 12 months of being a VIP you gain a precursor (which may not have the same value once we start crafting precursors).

I still don’t like the idea, like you said, the system works, you buy what you want if and when you want (disregarding temp stuff obviously) would you save gems? Probably, but would you really? You’re getting stuff you don’t mind but at the same time you’d never buy separately.

It’s the same thing with phone contracts, mine doesn’t have a subscription/mandatory fee which means the calls are more expensive, but I spend 4 times less in a year window.
For me these kind of tactics just feel dishonest, and then you have the precursor…

Before anything, an item to have any value in an MMO has to be rare, that means MOST people can’t have it.
Precursor crafting is said to be on the works for over a year, I think it will never come, that means this VIP system would be the only sure way for one, need I say more?

And I don’t even care about legendary weapons, I got a precursor dropped from Jormag that I could use in 2 chats and I just sold the thing, they just look silly, the ultimate prove people don’t mind looking like fabulous clowns just to get some sense of entitlement.

By the way, a much better way for a sure precursor would be 500 laurels, just saying Anet, quick and simple.

Actually you dont seem to understand people very well.

Back when LOTRO went F2P you had an option to buy stuff or rent it by sub. Buying was much cheaper but required a bit of work (and not getting some stuff nau). Guess what – despite it most of people choose sub. Just because.

Same goes with phone companies. I advised people how to reduce their bills, bt they dont want to and stick to more expencive option. Dont blame phone companies as they DO provide both ways. If people choose to pay more – why not let them, in the end its their choice.

Sure way of getting precursor is dumping lot og $$ into gems. And it would be actually cheaper option than VIP (as things stand ATM). so yeah. Not really big deal as option was right there from launch.

Well, that’s that then. No VIP.

/thread.

Dean Calaway.9718:

illgot.1056:

I doubt GW2 will be FTP like SWTOR.

SWTOR failed because they tried to survive on box sales and subscription only.

They panicked and came up with their free to play model on the fly. GW2 was developed with the current model in mind and was developed quite well around it.

The VIP would only be an optional subscription model which offered additional benefits you would usually find in the cash shop.

My guess is that everything listed in the VIP bundle will also be sold separately in the cash shop, but the benefit for being VIP is that you save more gems and after 12 months of being a VIP you gain a precursor (which may not have the same value once we start crafting precursors).

I still don’t like the idea, like you said, the system works, you buy what you want if and when you want (disregarding temp stuff obviously) would you save gems? Probably, but would you really? You’re getting stuff you don’t mind but at the same time you’d never buy separately.

It’s the same thing with phone contracts, mine doesn’t have a subscription/mandatory fee which means the calls are more expensive, but I spend 4 times less in a year window.
For me these kind of tactics just feel dishonest, and then you have the precursor…

Before anything, an item to have any value in an MMO has to be rare, that means MOST people can’t have it.
Precursor crafting is said to be on the works for over a year, I think it will never come, that means this VIP system would be the only sure way for one, need I say more?

And I don’t even care about legendary weapons, I got a precursor dropped from Jormag that I could use in 2 chats and I just sold the thing, they just look silly, the ultimate prove people don’t mind looking like fabulous clowns just to get some sense of entitlement.

By the way, a much better way for a sure precursor would be 500 laurels, just saying Anet, quick and simple.

If a prescursor costed 500 laurels, people wouldn’t be pushed to spend money on gems to convert to gold, so Anet will never do that.

This isn’t SWTOR.

wwwes.1398:

Well, that’s that then. No VIP.

/thread.

We’ll see the question pop up at the next uproar.

butch.8136:

wwwes.1398:

Well, that’s that then. No VIP. /thread.

We’ll see the question pop up at the next uproar.

Actually they said no CHINA vip.
This doesn’t mean there wont be one tailored or changed in some fashion for the NA market or something cleverly disguised as one.

Lorgus.6148:

From what I hear, in the Chinese client, a VIP status gives you the notable benefit of having a big symbol over your head for all the plebeians to see, all the better to realize your elevated status.

this feature is already in the game, it is called the Commander’s Compendium, it will put a dorito in one of four fantastic colors above your head

ColinJohanson.2394:

SkiTz.4590:

Colin, just clear up one thing – There is 0% chance EU/NA GW2 gets a VIP system?

We’re absolutely not bringing the China VIP system to NA/EU, correct.

THANK GOD! I’m actually really hyped Anet decided not to do this. Keeps the game a much fairer place and doesn’t priviledge the rich over the poor. Thanks a lot ArenaNet

See what I did there?

Telemin.7380:

Aside from the obvious /sarcasm, this is one thing they have said they wont bring over, various times.

They also said they wouldn’t force the chinese client on us. Don’t you have more pride than to be suckered again?

Sariel V.7024:

This is NOT a denial that it will never be instituted here.

But this is.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Sariel V.7024:

This is NOT a denial that it will never be instituted here.

But this is.

Ah ha. ty sir. We needed that linked in.

Sariel V.7024:

Galen.9042:

The image was datamined back in January. Anet said that it was not for the NA version.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1utx8p/data_mining_vip_membership/

Martin Kerstein:

We just wanted to respond to the image that has been data-mined from the Edge of the Mists testing branch.

This is a testing branch. We conduct internal experiments for various territories on our testing branches. This particular experiment is not being tested for the West.

As always, keep in mind that we test a lot more than we ship, so data-mining is no guarantee of anything. If we have announcements to make about future content, we’ll make them through the usual official channels.

This is NOT a denial that it will never be instituted here.

Right, but Colin just directly said it won’t happen. And that was a direct denial.

Reviewed the thread to refresh my memory. In the context of that conversation, he could claim he meant it wouldn’t be implemented in this update. But I’m quibbling.

I figure any decision to do this will be made at NCSoft’s level and far over his head anyways.

You know what? I would not have a problem with this going live. I really, personally, would not be affected. Most of it is already available in some form or another in the gem store. I see this as just a larger repackaging. Also did you realize that Teleport to a Friend was in the game back during the pre-launch days? It was Teleport to Party Member. It was removed soon after, though I don’t know when.

Hell I wouldn’t even be offended if they put in an instant 80 item. And before someone claims thats because I want it, I have 11 80s right now, I have deleted 7 80s since launch. I don’t need such an item.

GOSU.9574:

Hell I wouldn’t even be offended if they put in an instant 80 item. And before someone claims thats because I want it, I have 11 80s right now, I have deleted 7 80s since launch. I don’t need such an item.

This is another great idea!
With the new levelling changes, I’m sure many people would be fine with paying money for the opportunity to skip it and reach gw2’s extensive endgame of back-to-back, breakneck-pace living story releases.

illgot.1056:

why would anyone care if another person is VIP?

Does them spending money irritate you so much that you would quit?

Or maybe it’s the idea that after spending money for a year they will get a precursor (not even a full legendary).

Ohh, someone is willing to spend money to support the game… bad man!

None of the benefits seem like it would have any impact on PvP except maybe the precursor… after a full year of being VIP then doing the work to get the precursor crafted… oh and we maybe crafting precursors soon… so that whole VIP bonus drops in value.

Grow up, let people spend their money to be VIPs and stop being jealous of the Jones.

omg if you want to real money a legendary to swagswag i feel pro like other people etcetc just buy some gem and do your swagswagswag legendary and let other people play in a game without A-league players (vip one) and B-league players (normal ones).

Otw you can still go live china and be happy of your swagswag vip status <3