Guild Wars 2

xiune.9812:

You are not the brightest light bulb in the factory are you? You have to read the thread to see how things get modified as people add input. For example, one person suggested this idea may make for a fun “tower” type instance where people see how far they can get as a group without dyeing. there have also been talk of allowing limited item transfers, diss-allowing pvp, having it like hm in gw1, and other things. This is how ideas work, people state an idea and it gets input and is modified, you will learn this concept in kindergarten when you get there (sorry if I spoiled it). This is why you need to read the entire thread… not just the first post and start blabbing. As far as eve goes, if you are dumb in it or play anything more that 5.0 you risk losing everything, play the game if you don’t believe me. This fight alone cost 300k real life money http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/01/29/massive-eve-online-battle-could-cost-500000-in-real-money/ I would rather lose a gw2 character.
If any of those people had their clones on the local stations, they likely lost those too so bye bye skills (They are redoing clones so not sure how this would play out now but when that fight happened people lost skills that took a very long time to get). In gw2 skills are passively gained right now, a level 80 will have all the skills they want. This is not the case in games like EVE where it can take 25+ years to max skills (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1494071 ). If you cannot see why a chance to save skills would be welcome there but not needed here then you are just too dumb to be reasoned with. It sticks to the common theme in this thread, people doing dumb things need to lose items and there needs to be some type of risk to have diversity.

Add in a mode which will undoubtedly be hailed as the ‘real’ way to play, further dividing the community and marginalizing casual players, or anyone who doesn’t want hundreds or thousands of hours to be lost to a momentary lapse in attention?

Funny you say that as many have said there would be no people that wanted to play it.

All of that has absolutely nothing to do with the original post suggesting permadeath be an option.

You’ve derailed your own topic.

Also, you can’t even discuss without turning to insults.

So, meh. I’m done here.

Insults, accusations, shadow operations, ambushes, betrayal, HTFU speeches and a shmug impression are actually the trademarks of experienced eve players. I´ve encountered and played together with these kind of people as a low sec and 0.0 drifter and trader, most are still decent folk in RL.

Speaking of toxic, Eve is probably the most toxic environment ever if you don´t know how people like the whole of CFC or the russians operate. Although I don´t play it anymore, I see the reasons it never broke the 1 million active accounts barrier. Hard mode PvP/PvE people are a minority, probably even a tiny one compared to the numbers of subscribers of behemoths of MMOs where more or less casual, risk free PvE is king.

On a sidenote, I find it a kind of poetic, even karmic justice that things are even turning around in Eve online against them. The remaining powerblocks are all about to find how how much it whitles at your resolve when you are forced to defend something rather valuable like a system against something relatively wortless like a cloaked interceptor with an entosis module. Âs a maybe even better example, Eve lost a good portion of players who lost their freighters to groups of people in basically worthless griefer ships, and although that never happened to me, I am really glad to see them get a taste of their own medicine. Hardcore elitism does not pay out enough for server costs I am afraid.^^

I ran null sec black ops most of the time in eve and I can tell you a lot about the shady nature of that game. I can also tell you about the gear diversity that game had due to very harsh death penalties. We do not need to go all the way to one kill you are gone forever but we can work with the idea of a death penalty. As the cost of dying goes up people risk dying less… this risk translates into better gear diversity and more skillful levels of play. It would seem the best idea is to adjust this death penalty until the desired level of diversity exist. The earlier option was to make it an opt in system for people who want gear diversity but if they do lesser (but harsh) death penalties I would think it should be for everyone (and this is what I think many people in this thread were afraid of).

Currently in game: normal=trash, magic=trash, rare= trash, exotic non-zerker= trash, exotic zerker= stepping stone for newbs, ascended non-zojja’s= trash or trade in, ascended zojja’s= the only thing worth having. So 18 piece of armor and 1 of each type of weapon out of how many? More hp on mobs and less attack speed will not fix this issue as they will just face roll the keyboard that much longer. Upping the armor in silverwaste did not really help anything as people just face rolled against the mobs longer. Adding nasty condition effects like bleeding on Trin did not fix it as people just face roll longer. See a trend here? If dying is nothing glass cannon will always be meta.

Envy.1679:

ham.8209:

Envy.1679:

Hardcore modes never work out in online games because people lag.

One dropped packet during a fractal and all your progress is lost.

Also, since you cant come back the rest of the group suffers aswell. Nobody will even want to play with you because if you die theyre left with 4 people.

you sure never played guild wars 1 . in that game with HM it never was a problem at all and no lag what so ever or any thing that you speak of . and there was no fractal
on top of it . all there was pvp and they did not let hard mode happen at all in pvp. also too people did not play together on the same map like they do in guild wars 1 every one had there own maps . and every thing was good even in missions too

The hardmode in GW1 is not even close to what OP is asking for. Jaysus, you guys aren’t even reading the OP post.

GW1 did have something similar for a long while though. The Survivor achievement.

Anyone displaying that got kicked from FoW/UW groups because they’d always conveniently disconnect as soon as things started to get tricky.

Ben K.6238:

Envy.1679:

ham.8209:

Envy.1679:

Hardcore modes never work out in online games because people lag.

One dropped packet during a fractal and all your progress is lost.

Also, since you cant come back the rest of the group suffers aswell. Nobody will even want to play with you because if you die theyre left with 4 people.

you sure never played guild wars 1 . in that game with HM it never was a problem at all and no lag what so ever or any thing that you speak of . and there was no fractal
on top of it . all there was pvp and they did not let hard mode happen at all in pvp. also too people did not play together on the same map like they do in guild wars 1 every one had there own maps . and every thing was good even in missions too

The hardmode in GW1 is not even close to what OP is asking for. Jaysus, you guys aren’t even reading the OP post.

GW1 did have something similar for a long while though. The Survivor achievement.

Anyone displaying that got kicked from FoW/UW groups because they’d always conveniently disconnect as soon as things started to get tricky.

yeah i rember all that stuff too funny . think that is why i just stayed with pve doing that and did not bother with going other places LOL. and that is like trying to get the Survivor achievement untill they came out with the sun spear pack . i for get the name of it right now tho. but when that pack came out .i made getting Survivor achievement very easy and do able . shame they do not have none of this stuff in this game like that eh???? we would be loving it and the rest of the people would be freaking out in map chat iam going to die now LMAO!!!!!!