Guild Wars 2

So it’s becoming common knowledge that there’s a “dps check” for the first 25% for Tequatl.
I believe the following guild has successfully taken down Tequalt, with the following requirements to join the guild:

KehxD.6847:

This guild, the Tequatl Killer Squad [TKS] is especially made just for the cause to kill Tequile Sunrise, the god of poisonous puke!
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Requirements:
1x Char lvl 80
Full Exotic or Ascended gear (preferably not Zerker)
The will to defeat Tequatl
20s – 1g (For food to kill him)

So, have your grinded/farmed/“played the game and miraculously stumbled upon” your exotic/ascended?
And let’s face it, if it’s not “required” for yourself, it is a requirement in order to make up for any deficiency caused by under geared casuals.

For humor, an interview on August 28, 2013:

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/features/interviews/interview-arenanets-president-mike-obrien:

We came out with a game that is really a game that’s not about continued vertical progression and gearing up for the next raid – to get that level of gear and gearing up for the next raid – and instead it’s more about being out in the world and taking on those challenges together. We even have the inverse motivation of not wanting that continual gear grind because if we have too much of that, it means players are separated and it means they can’t do those things together. When there’s a dragon attacking, is the dragon too easy for some and too difficult for others?
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The typical thing to focus on would be for players of a certain level or certain level of equipment and you’d say “Oh players are starting to run out of things to do, lets lay out more runway” and you’d develop more gear progression, more raids and new harder things to accomplish. They’d do that for a while and start complaining and they’d say “Nothings challenging any more, I’m running out of things to do” and you’d make more higher progression. That’s a pattern our industry was in and it’s a pattern that works for some players but I think players are kind of maturing past the point of wanting to be on that treadmill – wanting to be in that obvious pattern of every time I catchup you’re wanting to put that carrot in front of me.

See you at the next world boss update with new ascended gear grind!

You are you saying on the server that beat him everyone had ascended gear?

This battle is not about full damage, it’s about coordination and the people manning the guns to know what they’re doing. The more coordination you have the faster T’quatl will go down.

You’re upset that having optimal gear makes doing the hardest boss encounter in the game more efficient?

Did BG gearcheck everyone present the what, 2-3 times they have beaten it?

You think getting full exotic gear requires some sort of “miraculous” grind?

Vayne.8563:

You are you saying on the server that beat him everyone had ascended gear?

BlueZone.4236:

And let’s face it, if it’s not “required” for yourself, it is a requirement in order to make up for any deficiency caused by under geared casuals.

The timer enforces a dps check, as well as a coordination/organization check.

It’s a very common thing that people do. They lose a fight in PvP or WvW and immediately try to think of something to blame. That guy, he had better gear than I did, or I would have won. It’s much easier than accepting the fact that someone was better than you.

I don’t think a single ascended weapon (which is all we’re talking about here with the real grind) is the problem. The rest of the ascended stuff is easy enough to get with the possible exception of the back piece.

And of course, there are people who don’t have ascended weapons that have legendaries which do the same damage.

Ursan.7846:

You think getting full exotic gear requires some sort of “miraculous” grind?

One weekend of playing the TP for the gold, then another 15 minutes to buy all my gear.
’Twas the Ninth Circle of Heck.

Considering the first 25% IS a dps check

1x Char lvl 80
Full Exotic or Ascended gear (preferably not Zerker)
The will to defeat Tequatl
20s – 1g (For food to kill him)

Those requirements should be met by pretty much every single level 80 in the game.
Exotic gear is incredibly easy to get…so is 20 silver. Thats it.
And you still find a reason to moan, OP. Amazing stuff.

Ursan.7846:

You’re upset that having optimal gear makes doing the hardest boss encounter in the game more efficient?

Did BG gearcheck everyone present the what, 2-3 times they have beaten it?

You think getting full exotic gear requires some sort of “miraculous” grind?

Considering how organized BG was, I’d believe the majority in the organized team would have been in full exotics minimum.

For the average casual, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re still not in full exotic gear. Which is exactly why I said others need to make up for their deficiency.

I can’t find the quote, but there was a poster in this forum that said something along the lines of “if you’re not in full exotics, then get out so someone better can contribute”. Hmm, I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more people start thinking like that as time goes on.

FYI, I am in full exotics minimum.

Aphix.9846:

Those requirements should be met by pretty much every single level 80 in the game.

Then you would be surprised a dev stated that 50% of players earned less than 3g in the first week of the pav farming event (excluding those earning less than 1g), which can generate 4g per hour minimum.
Go figure.

I can’t believe people actually enjoy these things, i have full exotics on 11 characters i own but i still wouldn’t go to zerg the new teq in some mindless i must beat it in 15 mins to get my leet wings (yet another pair to sit in my bank) or a chance at some useless Ascended i don’t need..

Obviously a lot do enjoy mindless gear checked zerg content but i am not one of them thank god…

BlueZone.4236:

For the average casual, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re still not in full exotic gear. Which is exactly why I said others need to make up for their deficiency.

Well, I can’t speak for other “average” casuals, but I’m a fairly casual player in that I pretty much just do open-world PvE, don’t really bother with dungeons or WvW, and I’m still able to outfit my 80s in full exotic sets when the time comes. All it takes is 15-20 gold per char. That’s a couple of days of crafting/TP flipping/farming/champ trains if I’m short, but it’s also not that hard to save up that much if you sell everything you come across and don’t splurge too much along the way.

I’m not trying to argue about whether it is or is not lame that some events are perceived to “require” full exotic gear across the group to complete (does anyone actually know if a full exotic group is required to beat Tequatl? Or can a competent group with some rares mixed in still do it?). I’m just saying that getting full exotics isn’t what I’d call a grind. And it’s certainly not totally out of reach of the “casuals”.

Getting full exotics is not even grind.

Dante.1508:

I can’t believe people actually enjoy these things, i have full exotics on 11 characters i own but i still wouldn’t go to zerg the new teq in some mindless i must beat it in 15 mins to get my leet wings (yet another pair to sit in my bank) or a chance at some useless Ascended i don’t need..

Obviously a lot do enjoy mindless gear checked zerg content but i am not one of them thank god…

The reason this encounter isn’t being beaten is because you can’t zerg it. Not straight up. The people on the guns have to know what they’re doing. Other people have to protect the people on the guns and repair the guns should something go wrong.

That’s not a mindless zerg. It’s more like an open world raid boss.

It’s going to be quite interesting to see how players react towards the push for harder content combined with the addition of better gear.

I think I have

/15char

So people make squads to farm his Fine and Masterwork chest crap? Okaaaaay

The thing I find interesting is that the “requirement” removes one of the 3 DPS kings for Tequatl. The best 3 builds to fight teqqy with would be

Soldier’s
Valkyrie
Berserker

Because they all have high innate power. Sure, Soldier’s does equal damage against the environmental objects, but Valkyrie and Berserker can slaughter the adds.

Heh. For some reason when I read “x1char” I read it as “x1 charr”.

So an individual, as quoted by the OP, has decided to create a guild around certain elitist (not using the term in a pejorative fashion here) requirements…

Is people setting minimum gear/level/AP requirements for others to play with them somehow new ?

BlueZone.4236:

20s – 1g (For food to kill him)

McDonalds? Would take time but I’m sure that food would take him down.

As for the gear, I have 8 char in that, seems very common, maybe more of an excuse to create a guild like many try and fail to do.

It basically requires some specific types of equip. Precision and critical damage don’t work at all toward tequatl, and condition damage is quite useless too due of the scale of the event – as stacks will be always capped, so you aren’t actually doing anything.
More than a gear check, is a gear type check. In an open world event, with people basically taken at random.

BG has done no such gear check. It has been suggested what to use. Power as a main stat mostly and that berserkers is sub optimal for this fight. But no one stops you from playing or tells you to go and get better or different gear.

Everytime I see someone mentions that exotic gear is even remotely hard to get, let alone a “grind” or “gear check” makes me shake my head.

If you don’t have the money for full suit of exotic gear when you reach level 80 you’re probably a complete noob, and you’re the kind of person who SHOULDN’T be even take a map slot for Tequatl. Please learn more about the game and then come back.

How can you call yourself a decent player and not even have a godkitten ed exotic set? If you can’t afford that then you’re not really doing anything skillful, do you just stand in LA and chat in mapchat? Then we don’t need you for Tequatl.

Manuhell.2759:

It basically requires some specific types of equip. Precision and critical damage don’t work at all toward tequatl, and condition damage is quite useless too due of the scale of the event – as stacks will be always capped, so you aren’t actually doing anything.
More than a gear check, is a gear type check. In an open world event, with people basically taken at random.

Yep, and the one they listed not to bring is one with power as a major. Though personally I prefer soldier’s (done world bosses all year) which is another with power on the major trait. So maybe that guild would prefer rabid or carrion over zerker? Luckily maybe everyone else there was geared right, this guild was the one holding everyone back hehe

Um… a lvl 80 in less than at least full exo… is a waste of a character slot, and a team slot.

The jump in stats between MW to Rare and then to Exo is a quantum shift in effectiveness. I certainly would not take anyone into a dungeon with less than full exo armour and weapons (accessories aren’t quite so important). I dont care what stats you prefer, but exo is an absolute must.

I wouldnt mind if it was hard to get, but exos are so common, most people would salvage what they find.

The biggest factor to defeating Tequatl is 80’ish players on TEAMSPEAK talking to each another…

After that you got to make sure all siege is manned by teamspeak players.

You then have a chance at success…

Its not gear dependent at all…

supergica.8652:

Everytime I see someone mentions that exotic gear is even remotely hard to get, let alone a “grind” or “gear check” makes me shake my head.

If you don’t have the money for full suit of exotic gear when you reach level 80 you’re probably a complete noob, and you’re the kind of person who SHOULDN’T be even take a map slot for Tequatl. Please learn more about the game and then come back.

How can you call yourself a decent player and not even have a godkitten ed exotic set? If you can’t afford that then you’re not really doing anything skillful, do you just stand in LA and chat in mapchat? Then we don’t need you for Tequatl.

At least now I don’t need to find that quote, cos I got one in this thread. Thanks!

Daywolf.2630:

Manuhell.2759:

It basically requires some specific types of equip. Precision and critical damage don’t work at all toward tequatl, and condition damage is quite useless too due of the scale of the event – as stacks will be always capped, so you aren’t actually doing anything.
More than a gear check, is a gear type check. In an open world event, with people basically taken at random.

Yep, and the one they listed not to bring is one with power as a major. Though personally I prefer soldier’s (done world bosses all year) which is another with power on the major trait. So maybe that guild would prefer rabid or carrion over zerker? Luckily maybe everyone else there was geared right, this guild was the one holding everyone back hehe

Soldier and Valkyrie are also majored in power. Only their secondary adds vitality (more HP to withstand hits), whereas zerker does not, since precision and crit damage doesn’t work on Teq.
Having said that, damage scaling is multiplicative with power, so having it as major and ascended gear majoring in power increases a lot:
Damage done = (Weapon Strength) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

I think it’s still doable in zerker gear, as long as you can dodge the majority of damage/waves, you just lose out on more HP.

KOPPER.1458:

BG has done no such gear check. It has been suggested what to use. Power as a main stat mostly and that berserkers is sub optimal for this fight. But no one stops you from playing or tells you to go and get better or different gear.

So have you gotten a good enough gear set to compensate for those in sub par gear?
I personally don’t believe my server has enough people in optimal gear (or near enough) to balance out the people in sub par gear (could be because it’s not the weekend yet? Though maybe that’ll be worse…).
My only realistic expectation is people in sub par gear will give up, rather than everyone increasing their gear to be closer towards the optimal gear.
Not sure if that’s a positive or a negative, though.

Level 80 with exotics is not a gearcheck lol
Seems like common sense to me- where does DPS check fit into this?

The intent was to organize and take down Tequatl when just about everyone on the LS forum was shouting Nerf, on the day after the patch I might add.

No gear grinding involved sorry to burst your bubble- plenty of “will to kill Tequatl” which you somehow missed.

KehxD.6847:

Requirements:
1x Char lvl 80

I kept wondering why it was a requirement to have a Charr at level 80 and what an oversized housecat has that my big beautiful Norn doesn’t.

Then I realised I’m a dumb kitten.

PSA: Please call them toons, not chars.

GuzziHero.2467:

Um… a lvl 80 in less than at least full exo… is a waste of a character slot, and a team slot.

The jump in stats between MW to Rare and then to Exo is a quantum shift in effectiveness. I certainly would not take anyone into a dungeon with less than full exo armour and weapons (accessories aren’t quite so important). I dont care what stats you prefer, but exo is an absolute must.

I wouldnt mind if it was hard to get, but exos are so common, most people would salvage what they find.

But this isn’t a dungeon, this is open world. And a level 65 zone, actually. People at that level don’t usually use exotics, and i would dare say not even fully gear with rares – so if you stumble into the event while levelling, you’re probably just a weight for the team.

And the problem here is that we have a strict dps check on an enemy where some of those dps types are useless – because either they aren’t working at all, or are useless due to the magnitude of the event – more people there are on a single target, more conditions are useless.
So either you gear for it (basically spending money for a fight that hasn’t even got worthwhile rewards) or you’re weighting the team down.

This topic shows a lot of why Tequatl is failing – the zerg mindset and the idea that Exotic/Ascended is what makes or breaks this fight.

Manuhell.2759:

GuzziHero.2467:

Um… a lvl 80 in less than at least full exo… is a waste of a character slot, and a team slot.

The jump in stats between MW to Rare and then to Exo is a quantum shift in effectiveness. I certainly would not take anyone into a dungeon with less than full exo armour and weapons (accessories aren’t quite so important). I dont care what stats you prefer, but exo is an absolute must.

I wouldnt mind if it was hard to get, but exos are so common, most people would salvage what they find.

But this isn’t a dungeon, this is open world. And a level 65 zone, actually. People at that level don’t usually use exotics, and i would dare say not even fully gear with rares – so if you stumble into the event while levelling, you’re probably just a weight for the team.

And the problem here is that we have a strict dps check on an enemy where some of those dps types are useless – because either they aren’t working at all, or are useless due to the magnitude of the event – more people there are on a single target, more conditions are useless.
So either you gear for it (basically spending money for a fight that hasn’t even got worthwhile rewards) or you’re weighting the team down.

As difficult as it is to get to Sparkfly fen on your own server these days- the chance of a character leveling just stumbling onto the event as Teq spawns happening is slim.
Even if it happened how many do you think there will be?

As long as they stay off the turrets and way point when dead they won’t be that much of a weight.
People with single target damage geared for power go on Teq.
People with other gear types like pres/crit damage that would not work well on Teq- defend and repair the turrets.
There is something to do for everyone really.
I do not see what the fuss is about.

Dante.1508:

I can’t believe people actually enjoy these things, i have full exotics on 11 characters i own but i still wouldn’t go to zerg the new teq in some mindless i must beat it in 15 mins to get my leet wings (yet another pair to sit in my bank) or a chance at some useless Ascended i don’t need..

Obviously a lot do enjoy mindless gear checked zerg content but i am not one of them thank god…

I’m sure those that got the Tequatl Minature ‘enjoyed it’.

@Morrigan

Has Teq been done on GH yet??
I have not been able to log on since my home internet was disconnected last week.

bri.2359:

@Morrigan

Has Teq been done on GH yet??
I have not been able to log on since my home internet was disconnected last week.

Not yet as far as I know-
Last night at the fight I was at we got it down to 75% I think it was – but someone mentioned that they got it down to 50% the previous evening.
Not sure if that is true since the first try I was at was probably 95%.
We will get it done eventually- there is another attempt tonight that I am aware of.

Morrigan.2809:

As difficult as it is to get to Sparkfly fen on your own server these days- the chance of a character leveling just stumbling onto the event as Teq spawns happening is slim.
Even if it happened how many do you think there will be?

I wouldn’t say it is slim – especially if one doesn’t even know the event yet, so he may even try to do that; beside, he still is occupying a place in the server cap that would be better used by some other prepared player.

Morrigan.2809:

As long as they stay off the turrets and way point when dead they won’t be that much of a weight.
People with single target damage geared for power go on Teq.
People with other gear types like pres/crit damage that would not work well on Teq- defend and repair the turrets.
There is something to do for everyone really.
I do not see what the fuss is about.

Oh, sure, but that’s assuming that every single people will be organized and prepared beforehand.
But this is an open world event, open to everyone, not an instance that you can start at leisure.
If you get in an overflow – especially a newly created one – you may not even have the time to do that.
And there is still the issue with condition damage – be it the main boss or the minions, we’re still talking about ten or more people versus some mobs. And if condition users aren’t fighting tequatl, they must be fighting his minions – thus you still have the problem with full stacks and wasted dps.

BlueZone.4236:

Soldier and Valkyrie are also majored in power. Only their secondary adds vitality (more HP to withstand hits), whereas zerker does not, since precision and crit damage doesn’t work on Teq.
Having said that, damage scaling is multiplicative with power, so having it as major and ascended gear majoring in power increases a lot:
Damage done = (Weapon Strength) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

I think it’s still doable in zerker gear, as long as you can dodge the majority of damage/waves, you just lose out on more HP.

Sure, I agree with that, though for a guild to say pref not zerker doesn’t necessarily mean ‘pref soldier’s or Valkyrie’ even though it could have been written that way just as easily.

Soldier’s is really best though. That’s what I suggest to guildies when they come with me to Grenth or such temples people are downed a lot in. I have zerker armor sets too, but in large scale events it doesn’t hold up as well as Soldier’s overall. Can’t do much damage if you are down-dead after all.

Of course there is like Cleric’s if you are going in for support mostly, various support set-ups. I really like Cleric armor on my guard, though just a pref, very quick revives while eating up damage. I don’t see much mention of support in that guild’s req though, just ‘pref not zerker’ which seems to imply dps sorts.

Gear check/grind?

LMAO!

All you need is soldier gear and a bloodlust sigil.

OOOOOOOOO SO GRINDY!

Casuals ruin games.

Morrigan.2809:

bri.2359:

@Morrigan

Has Teq been done on GH yet??
I have not been able to log on since my home internet was disconnected last week.

Not yet as far as I know-
Last night at the fight I was at we got it down to 75% I think it was – but someone mentioned that they got it down to 50% the previous evening.
Not sure if that is true since the first try I was at was probably 95%.
We will get it done eventually- there is another attempt tonight that I am aware of.

Thanks!

By the time I get back in-game, Teq will have been done and then ignored like the Karka Queen ..

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Gear check/grind?

LMAO!

All you need is soldier gear and a bloodlust sigil.

OOOOOOOOO SO GRINDY!

Casuals ruin games.

See, you aren’t considering a simple matter: is it worthwhile to invest on a rather specific gear for a single event (whose completition depends on a group effort, beside that) whose rewards are, for the most part, disappointing to say the least?
Especially when you can do more profitable activities and with less chances to fail them. Since the only unique rewards given by this event have just a rare chance to drop, and the event is hard to start with, so you can’t even rely on that little chance to recoup the costs.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

All you need is soldier gear and a bloodlust sigil.

Hmmm… bloodlust. If you are focusing on teq then it probably won’t help much. Last night on one event mine went down 5 or 6 times focusing on teq. But that was with my fire ele (fire/earth build) which has a lot of power focus and w/o needing to maintain bloodlust, and tough for a caster. Sure, could help though, keeping minions at bay, keeping stacks up.

@Manuhell.2759
If people who get caught up in the fight or just show up out of curiosity would just read map chat it would help a lot.
The problem is they don’t

Because it is open world you will always have some of that .
example- last night we planned from the end of one fight to the next spawn- only to have a bunch of people port in at the last minute, asking after some or other chest and grabbing the turrets.
The guy who spent ages giving help organizing and was assigned to one of the turrets couldn’t get on one for the entire fight.

This is obviously not ideal, and can be demoralizing for the people who did prepare.
It was still fun though and a great learning experience and as much more efficient as having it in an instance would be, I love that this is in the world.

People have just learned really bad habits playing this game of late where it is quite enough to show up at a zerg and 1 or afk as you wish and then pick up loot.
As long as this style of play gets rewarded as much as it is doing open world bosses like Teq will be very very hard.

Fun having a "must be lvl80 with MAX stats etc. in a lvl 55–65 zone http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sparkfly_Fen

GG

Qrakan.1392:

Fun having a "must be lvl80 with MAX stats etc. in a lvl 55–65 zone http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sparkfly_Fen

GG

Guess you missed all the posts about people wanting harder content for months and well as begging Anet to get players into mid level maps huh?
Or the bit where people literally begged for content that needs an organised group of people?
Don’t worry- you don’t have to do it- it is not like you get an automatic Ascended weapon or anything of the sort.
You’re welcome

No, nor do I plan to grind to do this new event, or any other

Manuhell.2759:

See, you aren’t considering a simple matter: is it worthwhile to invest on a rather specific gear for a single event

Teq isn’t the first and only difficult event in the game. Most difficult so far, yes, but the same gear applies to temples …if you do more than come in at the last minute and whack-a-mole as many farmers seem to like to do and only know of that. Just like being heavy on CD isn’t going to help much there either. I certainly couldn’t solo the risen priest of grenth in carrion. But if you are going to be standing in range of any ~near1-hit boss, at least having vit/tough in secondary is going to help keep you up. But also the other two sets mentioned will give you good dps as well, with zerker (very common) being the least useful of the three for teq focused attacks, but still more useful than for some others and depending on your build.

The thing is, those events that failed the worst that I’ve seen, I saw people getting 1-hit a lot up near teq. My character emerging from sudden huge piles of downed players, a light armor caster hehe. Same stuff that happens at grenth, gates of arah etc, but kitten dies there as people pick up on how to gear for survival.

Dude, get together just 100 or so people that run full temple chains regularly, they will take this teq down.

Ohhh noooo… some guild requires exotic gear. Man this is SOOO HARD to get. I few dungeons + gold from leveling will get you to full exotic. Who has time for this? It takes ages. And the dungeons… oh man, spamming auto attack button is WAY TOO HARDCORE.

And don’t forget that you cannot just join the battle with no gear at all and try to leech off the ones that are actually doing their job in defeating tequatl.

NO. To be successfull in this game you absolutely NEED ascended gear. ANet please remove stats from all items in the game so we can all be equal and happy.

/sarcasm off

I don’t see anything “grind required” about that guilds requirement. Full exotic? Really? If that is to much for you to achieve you should just uninstall.

The fight doesn’t last more than 15 mins so the food cost shouldn’t be anywhere near 1g.

GOSU.9574:

I don’t see anything “grind required” about that guilds requirement. Full exotic? Really? If that is to much for you to achieve you should just uninstall.

The fight doesn’t last more than 15 mins so the food cost shouldn’t be anywhere near 1g.

The grind wasn’t referring to the exotics (though I’m certain some people will be thinking that exotics are a grind). And yes, I’m certain people will say ascended isn’t a grind either. Hats off to everyone.

Again, I ask whether people have sufficient gear to make up for any deficiency.
And no, I personally don’t think full exotics is enough to balance out under geared players in an unorganized group (or at least a large enough percentage of a zerg group). Which is where ascended gear helps push the zerg’s average dps up.

Pretty sure the price of the undead food buff is skyrocketing by now, and people will be buying more than 1 of it.