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Posted by: Deihnyx.6318

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Hey,

5 seems like a lot, but having a raid guild, pvp guild, wvw guild, social guilds… it actually fills up pretty fast.
Anet, do you want monies? I’ll trade you money against guild slots <3 please ?

Thanks <3

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

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Yes, I’ve been hoping for this since launch.

This gets suggested every couple of months. (And there will be a couple of posts to the thread stating that the game would be better with only one guild slot.)

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I’m of the opinion that 5 is more than enough. Being used to only belonging in 1 guild, even 3 would have been fine.

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I’m of the opinion that 5 is more than enough. Being used to only belonging in 1 guild, even 3 would have been fine.

Then don’t buy more slots. Maybe we could have a feature that lets people like you sell off their excess slots on the TP. Personally I could use at least 3 more.

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I’m with you on this one, could do with more guild slots in exchange for gems.

The Arbriel Family and dynasty of characters have been around since inception in 2001.

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one? If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done. Likewise for pvp, wvw and pve guilds. Finally, a social guild of a size of your choosing. The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large, if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

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I can’t think of a reason Anet wouldn’t implement this other than technical reasons, which means the chances of it actually being implemented are slim to none unfortunately.

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I can’t think of a reason Anet wouldn’t implement this other than technical reasons, which means the chances of it actually being implemented are slim to none unfortunately.

What technical reasons? Unless they hard-coded in a limit of 5 guilds, there’s little that has to be changed (except some minor alterations to the guild panel — those do seem to take more effort than players might think).

Still, I agree with your conclusion that it’s unlikely to happen:

  • If it’s easy, why wouldn’t they have implemented it already?
  • If it’s almost easy, why would it be prioritized over the 12646 other popular suggestions that are also “almost easy” to add to the game?

Then again, I would have bet 500 gold that we never would get salvage-all, due to technical limitations. So, my guess is as bad as anyone else’s as to what ANet will actually make time to introduce to the game.

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one? If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done. Likewise for pvp, wvw and pve guilds. Finally, a social guild of a size of your choosing. The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large, if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Bigger guilds aren’t always better, especially raid guilds. When you have more people it is harder to maintain a high quality of players which is why most raid guilds like DnT/NA/qT/SC etc all generally have at MOST 100ish people, and many are alt accounts.

Then there’s things like WvW where you could be part of a community guild (eg. CERN) and part of a GvG guild and part of a roaming guild. Totally different focuses that one guild does not cover.

And then there’s PvE guilds. 500 man guilds tend to be mainly used for guild missions and upgraded halls. You’d need 2 just to get lost precipice/gilded hollow if you want the skins (shimmering/tenebrous).

If you play multi timezone then you might also need 2 guilds. I know Americans that play SEA and NA and are in 2 raid guilds because of that since there aren’t any decent raid guilds which cover both timezones reliably.

For some older players, we have a bunch of personal guild banks too.

Overall I see very little downside to upping guild slots. If you don’t want them then don’t buy them.

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+1

If it isnt too much work for Anet i would love to see the option to buy more guild slots in the gemshop

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one? If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done. Likewise for pvp, wvw and pve guilds. Finally, a social guild of a size of your choosing. The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large, if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Because people’s interests aren’t always the same. PVP players don’t necessarily want to do PVE content, casual guilds don’t want to be bothered with raid talks, elitist guilds won’t want normal players…
There’s a lot of reasons why one big guild simply doesn’t work.

And here’s the 100 million dollar argument: If some people don’t need it, it’s optional, they don’t have to spend money on it. If you’re against it, you can simply forget this option exist, no harm’s done.
Guilds that ask for 100% rep aren’t gonna disapear because of that. Anet making extra money, the UI is already built up for more than 5 guilds… so win win situation?

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one? If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done. Likewise for pvp, wvw and pve guilds. Finally, a social guild of a size of your choosing. The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large, if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Bigger guilds aren’t always better, especially raid guilds. When you have more people it is harder to maintain a high quality of players which is why most raid guilds like DnT/NA/qT/SC etc all generally have at MOST 100ish people, and many are alt accounts.

Then there’s things like WvW where you could be part of a community guild (eg. CERN) and part of a GvG guild and part of a roaming guild. Totally different focuses that one guild does not cover.

And then there’s PvE guilds. 500 man guilds tend to be mainly used for guild missions and upgraded halls. You’d need 2 just to get lost precipice/gilded hollow if you want the skins (shimmering/tenebrous).

If you play multi timezone then you might also need 2 guilds. I know Americans that play SEA and NA and are in 2 raid guilds because of that since there aren’t any decent raid guilds which cover both timezones reliably.

For some older players, we have a bunch of personal guild banks too.

Overall I see very little downside to upping guild slots. If you don’t want them then don’t buy them.

It is really just players created issues.

First thing first, personal guild bank is a player’s idea, it isn’t how guilds meant to work.

Second is quality, quality is a matter of choice and not a matter of size. Harder is not impossible thus it isn’t a good reason to under utilize a guild.

Third, multiple functions WvW is possible just by creating multiple teams or divisions just like how some guilds have multiple raid teams.

The main thing is people is indeed under utilizing a guild. What I see is people want to be their own chief and that’s why we have so many guilds.

Likewise, if people chose to use a guild as LFG which isn’t meant to be one, it is players’ choice and not by design.

Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one? If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done. Likewise for pvp, wvw and pve guilds. Finally, a social guild of a size of your choosing. The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large, if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Because people’s interests aren’t always the same. PVP players don’t necessarily want to do PVE content, casual guilds don’t want to be bothered with raid talks, elitist guilds won’t want normal players…
There’s a lot of reasons why one big guild simply doesn’t work.

And here’s the 100 million dollar argument: If some people don’t need it, it’s optional, they don’t have to spend money on it. If you’re against it, you can simply forget this option exist, no harm’s done.
Guilds that ask for 100% rep aren’t gonna disapear because of that. Anet making extra money, the UI is already built up for more than 5 guilds… so win win situation?

Your first line already don’t make sense because here you are talking about combining PvE, PvP an WvW together elsewhere my post is about putting the same type of guilds to form a larger one.

Somehow, I get the feelings you are replying with prejudice (I don’t even know you, not like this the first time people are doing this, lmao).

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one?

Because it’s a social issue, not a mathematical one. Not everyone likes being one of many; not everyone gets along with people just because they share an interest. As an obvious example: everyone posting here has an interest in GW2, but we don’t agree on whether it’s useful to allow people in multiple guilds.

If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done.

That’s only theoretically true, only if we treat members as interchangeable.

Guilds are social organizations; they require commonality of interest and similarity of temperament, as well as overlapping play times, and many, many intangibles.

Some guilds are training guilds, built up around people who are patient mentors and some are organized by less patient bootcamp sergeants. Some guilds raid & fractal. Some are interested in speed clearing or selling raids. Some have people who like listening to the same music while raiding and some have people who don’t want to listen to music.

The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large,

Sorry, no, they weren’t. The maximum size is 500. They were designed to exist at various levels of membership, with 50-100 looking like the sweet spot.

if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Again, guilds are social organizations; there isn’t any sort of efficiency that can be applied, because there’s no set of best practices that applies to all guilds.

Plus, there’s the practical matter of how people would even learn which guilds have similar enough interests to their own, decide if the membership is compatible, and then decide how to merge (who leads? which guild hall do you use? do you change the guild mission night to accommodate one guild or the other or add a night?)

In the end, like it or not, some people would find it very valuable to be able to join more than 5 guilds. It might not be easy for ANet to implement; it might not be your idea of the best use of ANet’s limited resources. But there is no work-around for the minority of players that agree with the OP.

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Your first line already don’t make sense because here you are talking about combining PvE, PvP an WvW together elsewhere my post is about putting the same type of guilds to form a larger one.

Somehow, I get the feelings you are replying with prejudice (I don’t even know you, not like this the first time people are doing this, lmao).

I’m explaining – if that wasn’t obvious – why having many guilds make sense. 5 guilds slot fills up fast if you want a taste of everything.
Only one raid guild? Have you even tried joining some of them? There are as many different raid guilds as there are philosophies. Some of them expect experienced people and well test your skill, some others are there to help training, or simply to get a static done, and it’s the same for PVP/WvW. Some guilds will only ask for experienced and others will play it in a more casual/friendly way. Not only that, but guild competition is always going to be a thing. Really if you expect all the raid guilds to combine together I don’t know if you’re been around raiders long enough…
And one last thing. Nothing is preventing you from creating your own personal stash guild, or small guild for your roomates or close friends. If Anet didn’t want that, they would have done something about it already.

And I’m not even sure what you’re talking about with your second sentence, it’s not like if more guild slots would impact you in ANY way. Where’s the prejudice here? It’s been requested quite a few times for a reason, there’s actual demand for it.

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Historically I’ve been against it, due to the way chat, and influence worked.

Ever since that set of changes, more guild slots should have limited to no negative impact. Only thing I can think of is: imagine 10 active guild chats going off at once? But even that can be managed with chat tabs.

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What would happen if you bought gems and spent them to join a specific guild, only to get kicked out or the guild disbanded? I wouldn’t want to buy gems for a guild slot that another player has control over.

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What would happen if you bought gems and spent them to join a specific guild, only to get kicked out or the guild disbanded? I wouldn’t want to buy gems for a guild slot that another player has control over.

you’d be free to join another guild?

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What would happen if you bought gems and spent them to join a specific guild, only to get kicked out or the guild disbanded? I wouldn’t want to buy gems for a guild slot that another player has control over.

you’d be free to join another guild?

Of course. I’m more concerned about those who will write support tickets to ArenaNet complaining that they’ve been kicked out of a guild they’ve paid gems for. I don’t see that working well for anyone.

Also, as far as I’m concerned, five is more than enough.

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Instead of having so many guilds, why not the guilds consolidate to form a bigger one?

Because it’s a social issue, not a mathematical one. Not everyone likes being one of many; not everyone gets along with people just because they share an interest. As an obvious example: everyone posting here has an interest in GW2, but we don’t agree on whether it’s useful to allow people in multiple guilds.

The root of the issue is players themselves. In the past mmorpg, we only have 1 toon to 1 guild with about max 100 people (including alts) and now in gw2 we have 1 toon to 5 guilds which is up to 2,500 people (most lyunique) but still not enough? That level of greed is pretty scary.

If multiple raid guilds combine to form a large one, you easily can find more people to raid with and gets a lot of things done.

That’s only theoretically true, only if we treat members as interchangeable.

Guilds are social organizations; they require commonality of interest and similarity of temperament, as well as overlapping play times, and many, many intangibles.

Some guilds are training guilds, built up around people who are patient mentors and some are organized by less patient bootcamp sergeants. Some guilds raid & fractal. Some are interested in speed clearing or selling raids. Some have people who like listening to the same music while raiding and some have people who don’t want to listen to music.

And? It is a social organisation and social organisation can be multilayered, not just single layered.

The main point is the guild is designed to be 500-men large,

Sorry, no, they weren’t. The maximum size is 500. They were designed to exist at various levels of membership, with 50-100 looking like the sweet spot.

Right is a bad choice of words but the point still remains, you can fill it up to that.

if people are under utilizing that, it is not anet’s issues, it is players created issue.

Again, guilds are social organizations; there isn’t any sort of efficiency that can be applied, because there’s no set of best practices that applies to all guilds.

Plus, there’s the practical matter of how people would even learn which guilds have similar enough interests to their own, decide if the membership is compatible, and then decide how to merge (who leads? which guild hall do you use? do you change the guild mission night to accommodate one guild or the other or add a night?)

In the end, like it or not, some people would find it very valuable to be able to join more than 5 guilds. It might not be easy for ANet to implement; it might not be your idea of the best use of ANet’s limited resources. But there is no work-around for the minority of players that agree with the OP.

And you need to respect the social organisations, people are already treating guilds like glorified LFG and now adding more is simply encouraging that behavior.

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Your first line already don’t make sense because here you are talking about combining PvE, PvP an WvW together elsewhere my post is about putting the same type of guilds to form a larger one.

Somehow, I get the feelings you are replying with prejudice (I don’t even know you, not like this the first time people are doing this, lmao).

I’m explaining – if that wasn’t obvious – why having many guilds make sense. 5 guilds slot fills up fast if you want a taste of everything.
Only one raid guild? Have you even tried joining some of them? There are as many different raid guilds as there are philosophies. Some of them expect experienced people and well test your skill, some others are there to help training, or simply to get a static done, and it’s the same for PVP/WvW. Some guilds will only ask for experienced and others will play it in a more casual/friendly way. Not only that, but guild competition is always going to be a thing. Really if you expect all the raid guilds to combine together I don’t know if you’re been around raiders long enough…
And one last thing. Nothing is preventing you from creating your own personal stash guild, or small guild for your roomates or close friends. If Anet didn’t want that, they would have done something about it already.

And I’m not even sure what you’re talking about with your second sentence, it’s not like if more guild slots would impact you in ANY way. Where’s the prejudice here? It’s been requested quite a few times for a reason, there’s actual demand for it.

I read it as it is, is fine if you deny it. Regardless, back to your main points of your reply.

Guild competitions sure exist and as I have mentioned earlier, people wants to be chief but what has that to do with anet? Anet gave the players 5 slots of up to 2,500 people but if players decided that they do not want to fully utitlize that, it is the players responsibilities to accept the decision they made.

If players decided to use up slots to make personal guild bank instead of using it to join functioning guilds, then be responsible for that decision.

Have you ever considered the social implications of increasing access to thousands potential more people? It is really never about social, it is really just about selfish needs.

5 guilds is fine as it is now.

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I read it as it is, is fine if you deny it. Regardless, back to your main points of your reply.

Guild competitions sure exist and as I have mentioned earlier, people wants to be chief but what has that to do with anet? Anet gave the players 5 slots of up to 2,500 people but if players decided that they do not want to fully utitlize that, it is the players responsibilities to accept the decision they made.

If players decided to use up slots to make personal guild bank instead of using it to join functioning guilds, then be responsible for that decision.

Have you ever considered the social implications of increasing access to thousands potential more people? It is really never about social, it is really just about selfish needs.

5 guilds is fine as it is now.

At that point I honestly don’t understand your definition of greed and selfishness. Some kind of self retrospective would be nice here, we’re talking about a request that would not impact you in any way and you are telling people what a guild has to be about in your eyes to be considered legit. It’s out of context and is kind of selfish on its own.

I am not chief of any guilds and couldn’t care less, I do not own a guild for stash, sorry to disappoint. I am still having issues because of the different communities and game styles I join. As said by someone earlier, social interactions are what matters in guilds, philosophies aren’t going to be the same depending of who’s in charge. Whether it’s a 10 player casual guild that are there to play together and slowly develop their hall or a 500 hundred multi guild like TTS, or even a second raid guild because that first one requires too high of a level for some friends you want to play with, they all have grounds to exist and none are against the ToS, you as a person have no grounds to call one of them selfish.

And by the way, even if I was using a guild slot as a stash, and even if I wanted my own guild of 4 people so I can be chief for selfish reasons, I don’t exactly see why it disqualifies the request here. It’s a feature of GW2 that we all paid the same price for, let people be “selfish” (lol) if they want to be, it’s not like this game like any MMO wasn’t about bragging and fashion war and basically playing for ourselves already anyway.
Having 7 guilds for selfish reasons or 5 isn’t going to make a difference. Well yeah, more monies for Anet.
As much as I loved GW1 I wouldn’t want to go back to its guild system that was very limited in bringing people together.

And what social implications about increasing 5 guilds slots to +x? I mean I truly have no idea what you mean by that, other than the potential chat tab issue that was mentionned earlier.

Paying for more is the best compromise. You still don’t get unlimited guilds, but for those who really really want a few more slots as their implication in the guilds grow, they have the possibility to do so.

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You need to structure your post properly.

Anyway, you mentioned it will not impact others in any way while saying you don’t understand social implications, if that is the case…do you really know what you are talking about then?

Furthermore, you have made it clear that you simply want it for your own convenience and conveniently rally people to support the idea while without caring about how it will impact the social.

Thus, is there really a point in talking about this with you?

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What would happen if you bought gems and spent them to join a specific guild, only to get kicked out or the guild disbanded? I wouldn’t want to buy gems for a guild slot that another player has control over.

you’d be free to join another guild?

Of course. I’m more concerned about those who will write support tickets to ArenaNet complaining that they’ve been kicked out of a guild they’ve paid gems for. I don’t see that working well for anyone.

Also, as far as I’m concerned, five is more than enough.

I think you missunderstood something here

What OP wants is the option for a Player to buy for example a 6th Guild Slot
That Player can then use the 6th slot to join a new Guild
Lets say he joins a big WvW Guild
After 2 weeks he gets kicked though because he didnt fit into the guild or maybe he left on his own because he didnt like the guild
Now he just has his 6th slot back and free to use again obviously

I dont understand why you think anyone would have to ask support for anything related to this Topic here?
Why do you think that Guild that he left/that kicked him would still have control over his 6th Guild Slot ??

It would just work how it works right now with 5 Guild Slots
Just that people could have more than 5 Slots

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SkyShroud.2865
Please stop with the constant passive aggressivity. It’s getting quite annoying to be honest. If potential structure issues are the only thing you can come up with at that point, It’s time to stop. I don’t like quoting lines after lines and I won’t start with you.

Let’s try again one last time shall we? Maybe this time by comparing with the convenience items/gem purchases already in place:
Do you get impacted because some people have more shared inventory slots? Do you get impacted because they have more bank slots? Because they pay for additional characters to get extra inventory? Because they have their own private, small guilds? Because they have permanent access to merchant or bank? Because their gathering tools won’t break? Because they have in 5 guilds instead of 1?
Answer honestly, and stop throwing that shallow argument that people are selfish when they decide to make/join multiple guilds. It’s been demonstrated that more slots can be needed. You feeling the need to judge how others are managing their guilds is just out of context, and frankly condescending.

I don’t give a quaggan about what you do with your own game, as long as you’re not trying to cheat, then I don’t care. None of my business. Some people have 10+ characters just for inventory space and that’s fine. Now If you pretend that adding a few more paid guilds slots is going to affect your game (aka “social interactivity”), then prove it. Otherwise, one must be extremely self-centered to fight so vigourously against something that does not concern them in any way. To me, this argument is as ridiculous as if you would complain because people wanted more than 2 crafting license per character.

Finally, yes I made it clear that I want it for my own convenience, and that I was willing to pay for it. That’s the whole point of asking Anet about it, you know? The purpose of a thread is to see who else wants it. You’re basically stating the obvious and yet somehow tries to make it sound like it’s a bad thing. I don’t get what you’re trying to accomplish, at all.

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As I had stated above in my previous comment, I personally dont need that many and I stand by that. Currently im only using 4. However, I dont believe adding 6 or even 7 would affect the game for majority of players any more than character creation slots or shared inventory. If AN went ahead and added it as a feature it wouldnt bother me in the slightest. Obviously some guilds with representation requirements would possibly be affected, or perhaps more guilds would follow suit with this policy, Impossible to know beforehand. I’m not sure what ANs reasoning for having 5 guild slots in the beginning originally was, but I could see some merit in adding a 6th in the context that since the came released we’ve seen the addition of fractals of the mist and raiding, each with their own niche groups.

I’m sure it looks like I’m taking both sides, but I just see points in both arguments.

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Well.
Yes, it impacts guilds that asks for a 100% requierement, but not more than having 5 guilds instead of 1. It’s optional, up to the player to follow the rules of the guilds they want to be part of.

Personally I have 1 guild I am emotionally connected with (+200 people), another guild that’s more RP oriented, 2 raid guilds (one for experienced, one for progression trying to build a static during a week) and one for reset night. That leaves no room for pvp, wvw or fractals.
I am perfectly aware that no everyone need a guild for everything, or even many guilds for raids or roleplay or whatever. Thus why it can stay option as a paid option.

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@Deihnyx.6318
Straw man arguments, lol.

Your first post didn’t show your intentions behind it, it is a simple wanting more. It is your latter posts that stated make your intentions obvious, you want more regardless of the cons or pros.

You conveniently brush aside logic as shown in your first reply to me and then conveniently deny it.

You then selectively read my posts, only concerned about the word “greed” which I used to reply to the other person while conveniently ignored the other points have made.

And sure, I am judging, are you not? This isn’t a topic of asking for help, it is a topic asking for opinions and opinions can involve some degree of judging. Judging about how guilds are run isn’t condescending because it is about guilds and guild slots. How can one identify pros and cons if one don’t try to understand and question everything about guilds and how the guild slots are used currently?

Guilds are being used as glorified LFG, that alone is enough of a reason not add more guild slots. Guild is a social organisation and more, not just a LFG. What kind of social benefits are there when intention is just a glofied LFG?

@Khailyn.6248
High rep guilds are already affected when cross chats are implemented. That is the whole purpose of rep anyway so people will interact socially more often in those guilds, not some influence nonsense that people make up due to some bad eggs. The logic was simple. Casual players can never have that much gaming time to interact with so many people to begin with so if a casual has 5 guilds, he or she is most likely neglecting some of them. There will also people who join guild just to “see” out of curiosity and not really want to be part of it but for the most part, he is not gonna rep so no interaction there. This rep thing boost the social within those guilds way higher level than many other guilds (in proportion) and so is guild identity.

Still, high rep guilds are not as badly affected as other guilds when come to social or guild identity after cross chats are implemented since those guilds have made their stands clear on what they are and how it will be. The guild identity crisis befall upon guilds that don’t have any forms of rep expectations, it is quite inevitable a number of them become LFG especially when glorified LFG culture is the mainstream now. Nowadays, there are many new guilds having rep requirements, be it partial or high. And yes, some casual now use up slots and obviously will be neglecting some of them.

@Deihnyx.6318
Social implications are as mentioned. While you may use it in seemingly reasonable manner, it doesn’t means other will do so. Likewise, the accommodated numbers of people joining guilds even if they have no proven actions of doing anything with them can be huge. All of these social issues will have a way lesser impact on the older existing guilds but it will make life very difficult for new or newer guilds that are trying to achieve some forms of identity and functions.

Anyway, anet pretty much abandon guilds since rumors has it that they already disbanded guild development team that was formed during HOT launch. Who knows anet will add more guild slots regardless if it harm or not harm the guilds. The point is while it overall seems good to the players, it isn’t for the guilds and social building within it.

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fishball.7204

Feels like you’re just scared your guild won’t be able to grow since it’s mediocre at everything and if people had 10 guild slots or more they’d just join specialized guilds and yours will suffer.

You write these long wall of texts that make no sense using words that make sense individually but together mean nothing.

Maybe if you don’t want to be used as a glorified LFG don’t join or make a 500 man guild, there’s no way you can create the level of socialness like a small guild with such a big guild.

All the guilds I’m in would not hurt wrt social building at all if more slots were added because I wouldn’t suddenly stop being friends with them just because I have more guild slots.

FOR THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEN

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

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Some people have a use for 6+ guilds and are willing to pay gems for it. Some don’t. It’s nearly impossible for this to impact existing guilds in any sort of meaningful way, except that some (such as myself) would be active in more guilds.

At this point, it’s up to ANet to decide if the cost of designing|implementing|testing|maintaining is worth the potential benefit to players (QoL) or ANet (gem sales from RL cash).

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Feels like you’re just scared your guild won’t be able to grow since it’s mediocre at everything and if people had 10 guild slots or more they’d just join specialized guilds and yours will suffer.

You write these long wall of texts that make no sense using words that make sense individually but together mean nothing.

Maybe if you don’t want to be used as a glorified LFG don’t join or make a 500 man guild, there’s no way you can create the level of socialness like a small guild with such a big guild.

All the guilds I’m in would not hurt wrt social building at all if more slots were added because I wouldn’t suddenly stop being friends with them just because I have more guild slots.

Lol, you have prejudice but that is fine.

I doubt it matters if I tell you the facts that raid guilds (obviously small) that try to tell people to rep are rebuked by the raiders that there is no meaning in repping it or there are people that wants some kind of chat flowing in the guild regardless of how many people there are as long there are chats (and obviously small guilds will never have chats flowing most of the time) or a lot small guilds perished over the years while the larger ones are still active…

The point is the existing established guilds will continue to do what they are doing but the new guilds will be climbing mount everest if they try to establish a foundation.

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I’m sorry I have to step in here. Larger doesn’t always mean better. Sometimes when you have a large guild just having more people means bad people slip through the cracks because you can’t vet every new member and you can’t police everything that goes on. People say really offensive things. People steal from the guild bank. People do stuff they shouldn’t do when officers and the guild leader aren’t online, such as scam and beg in guild chat. Having max members doesn’t automatically equal = teh awsums. In fact, having such a large group sometimes creates a disconnect in which no one really cares about the guild so no one donates to new upgrades and it all ends up being the sole responsibility of the guild leader. I’m in a guild right now which was at max capacity until a few days ago when we kicked a few people at guest rank who had been offline too long. The new sab upgrade was added with the patch right? I didn’t ask for boomboxes (I’m not a leader in it btw but the leader has been busy with rl so i decided to help him out) I just asked if anyone had any extra continue coins could they donate. And I asked over quite a few days. Not a single coin was donated that I didn’t put in myself or solicit from an outside source. The boomboxes? Farmed by me and a friend who’s in my private guild and joined just to donate it. Sometimes guilds are too big to fail and sometimes they’re so big no one gives a kitten. Just coz you have crap experience with small guilds doesn’t make all small guilds crap but just coz i have bad experiences with big guilds doesn’t make all big guilds crap either. I happen to know that a guild that has a very generous and giving and thriving guild membership and a flowing guild hall so thats one good example of a good big guild. And I can think of others too. But I can also think of several small groups who make it work, who exist despite their size, who build their guild hall together out of love, companionship, and friendship, and who are you to crap on them and say “join a bigger guild, too small lol.” If you’re arguing against guilds being a glorified lfg then they should stay separated by interests, because otherwise you’ll have a large guild where no one knows anyone going Fractals 100 CM? 4/5 Ascalonian Catacombs 3/5 Anyone wanna tag up on x borderland? And nothing else. BTW the chat may be dead most of the time in my private guild but, you know what, since its all my best friends no one’s ever offended anyone and the chats are funnier than any chats in any of my other guilds ever. Because when you’re that close to people you tend to know what you can get away with and what’s crossing the line and if you do cross the line someone you’re close to is more likely to forgive you than some random in guild chat who is going to want you kicked.

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@SkyShroud.2865
~ And the strawman wildcard was used ~

1.

Your first post didn’t show your intentions behind it, it is a simple wanting more. It is your latter posts that stated make your intentions obvious, you want more regardless of the cons or pros.

Okay? Let’s see shall we.

5 seems like a lot, but having a raid guild, pvp guild, wvw guild, social guilds… it actually fills up pretty fast.
Anet, do you want monies? I’ll trade you money against guild slots <3 please ?

Guilds that ask for 100% rep aren’t gonna disapear because of that. Anet making extra money, the UI is already built up for more than 5 guilds… so win win situation?

Paying for more is the best compromise. You still don’t get unlimited guilds, but for those who really really want a few more slots as their implication in the guilds grow, they have the possibility to do so.

I fail to see where I hide my intentions.

2.

You conveniently brush aside logic as shown in your first reply to me and then conveniently deny it.

Alright, first reply:

Because people’s interests aren’t always the same. PVP players don’t necessarily want to do PVE content, casual guilds don’t want to be bothered with raid talks, elitist guilds won’t want normal players…
There’s a lot of reasons why one big guild simply doesn’t work.

PVP interest can be different to WVW interest can be different to social guild can be different to pro raider guild can be different to casual raider guild, and so on. Please demonstrate the lack of logic.

Your first line already don’t make sense because here you are talking about combining PvE, PvP an WvW together elsewhere my post is about putting the same type of guilds to form a larger one.

That’s your answer. You stripped the second part of mine only to keep game modes. You don’t include casual/pro/social in your reasoning, at all. Still. Not sure where you see me “denying” anything. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.

3.

You then selectively read my posts, only concerned about the word “greed” which I used to reply to the other person while conveniently ignored the other points have made.

Greed and selfish yes, as you used many times. It’s not ignoring something than to ask for clarification about how you feel impacted by it.
I’m actually interested to get answers to my questions, which you finally started giving further down your post.

4.

Guilds are being used as glorified LFG, that alone is enough of a reason not add more guild slots. Guild is a social organisation and more, not just a LFG. What kind of social benefits are there when intention is just a glofied LFG?

That’s the core of the issue right here, you have a problem with how people are using guilds. The issue your mentionning can be true (or not) whether people can have 5 or 6 or 7 guilds, it changes absolutely nothing. I do have a few social guilds and a couple that are mainly for raids. Those are not nearly as social but they still have a purpose.
Pretending all guilds all have to be about social is simply untrue. TTS just use guilds to bring a community together, do some events at some different times of the week, and some of them actually meet up on TS and do more stuff, just not everyone. Same goes with a raid guilds that are together for one reset night or a couple nights a week. Different philosophies again.
At the core of the issue, I understand some people want their guilds to mean something. But I fail to see why it’s gonna be a problem with people being able to access more guilds rather than just leaving/joining. If a guild leader wants to develop a guild bonding, they can set their own rules, like asking for 100% rep.
By the by, I’ve only ever been in one single guild that ever asked for full rep, raid guild, and it ended up being one of the most toxic guilds there was, silently kicking people for not playing properly. Best definition of a pool of people for LFG right here.

5.

And sure, I am judging, are you not? This isn’t a topic of asking for help, it is a topic asking for opinions and opinions can involve some degree of judging. Judging about how guilds are run isn’t condescending because it is about guilds and guild slots.

The problem I mentionned is passive aggressivity, aka starting all your post with calling out people for having prejudices, structures issues and now strawman, without ever backing that up directly. These political tricks are just irritating. If you think someone is wrong you can demonstrate it.

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@Fremtid.3528

There is no paragraphing….

You points are generally summarized to there are all kinds of guilds and sizes doesn’t make it bad. I do agree but you missed the point. I did say there are people, but I didn’t say all people. I did say many guilds perished, I didn’t say all guilds perished. I made my reply to that guy who obviously has some prejudice.

Regardless, again, people can use any guilds of any sizes as glorified LFG or simply take advantage of, be it large or small or whatever. Increasing more slots simply encourage those behaviors or more. At the same time, it will make things hard for the new startup guilds, guilds that literally started from scratch without any friends to speak of and why is that so? They have to compete against numerous numbers of guild existed due to increased numbers of slots.

Just to make things clear, I prefer suggestions that has long term benefits than suggestions that provide short terms benefits. Some of the WvW features are a very good example of short term benefits and long term damage.

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@Deihnyx.6318
Even the quoting itself is pretty strawman, quoting things out of contexts yet you say it isn’t.

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Posted by: Freezy.4952

Freezy.4952

I would consider buying more guild slots as well.

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@Deihnyx.6318
Even the quoting itself is pretty strawman, quoting things out of contexts yet you say it isn’t.

So let me get this straight, I take your LAST post (out of context apparently lmao) and split it up to answer your points one by one. Even that doesn’t make you happy…
What did you want? One full quote of your post and debunking all your non sense in a big bulk of text so that you can blame the structure again?

I give up, the dishonesty is just astonishing.

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Posted by: Khailyn.6248

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@Skyshroud Just wanted to say that while I do give a point that would be in favor of adding a 6th slot (the addition of 2 game modes since release), I still think it is an unnecessary addition. Yes, guilds would definitely be affected, whether that be large or small ways is unclear. While players have the option to join a guild and not represent at all, I dont think that is good for the guild itself.

If a guild doesn’t deserve a certain amount of loyalty (such as representation and or other interaction), then they are just as others have said glorified LFG and hall node pit stops. Adding a 6th slot would just end up splitting a players ‘attention’ across more social groups dedicating less to to the others. I don’t blame guilds at all for having representation requirements and this change could very well make it more prevalent.

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A guild can choose to require full rep time because they try to build something special with their members. That’s fine. They won’t be forced to change their rules because some people will be able to join a 6th guild. Consequently they won’t lose anyone, because they will already have the kind of players that agree with their philosophy anyway.

Full rep is a philosophy I have no problem with, however it’s simply not what all guilds are for. The moment you accept 5 guilds (which Anet did), you understand that some guilds will have more or less values in people’s mind, you can assume they will have a favorite one and will use the others as utility, or for specific content, whatever. They’re free to use guilds the way they please. If said guilds don’t want them because they don’t participate, there’s a kick option that won’t disappear with more guild slots.

Once again, the core of the issue here seems to be that some people want their definition of what a guild is to be recognized as the only one valid. Some guilds are used as glorified LFG, so what? If the guild is made for that and actually helps bringing people with same interests together? What’s the big deal?