Guild Wars 2

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

1) Ferrari’s are the perfect analogy bc you are comparing high end cars to high end skins. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you…

Depends on your definition of ‘high end’. Some of them do look nice, true, but if you’re definition of ‘high end’ is based on gold prices, then they aren’t high end because they were comparatively cheap to obtain when they were released.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

2) At it’s lowest it was 20g on Oct 24th 2012 (first day of event) Do you have ANY concept what 20g is comparable to now? How hard it was to HAVE 20g back then? lol in Jan ’13 it spiked to 175g and has only climbed from there. Aside from RNG it has ALWAYS been financially unobtainable to the average GW2 player. The price is dictated by a supply and demand market for an event that took place almost 3 years ago… To give you some perspective… 100 gems were 18 SILVER at launch lololol. Inflation and supply and demand in a free market economy. It is what it is. You want it? Bust your tail and earn the gold to get it if not then it will vanish from the marketplace and that will be it.

Let’s compare some November 2012 market values to June 2015 market values.

100 Gems cost you:

• Nov 12: -> 0.88g
• Jun 15: -> 21g
• Absolute value increased x24

100 Gems sell for:

• Nov 12: -> 0.63g
• Jun 15: -> 11g
• Absolute value increased x17

Price for one Glob of Ectoplasm:

• Nov 12: -> 12s
• Jun 15: -> 34s
• Absolute value increased x3

Price for one Ghastly Grinning Shield:

• Nov 12: -> 20g
• Jun 15: -> 4000g
• Absolute value increased x200 !!!

If you really believe that the Halloween skins today are just as (un)affordable as in Nov 12, then… sorry, I can’t help you anymore.

See this reference
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/36339
http://www.gw2spidy.com/gem
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/19721

and STILL you fail to include the dwindling supply in a market DRIVEN on supply and demand. What part of that do you not comprehend?!

You try to justify your argument using Globs?! Something that is so readily available I can double click a basic salvage kit and get one… or god forbid make a killing on the ecto vendor which I have done multiple times. Ectos in this game are almost like water. Demand will NEVER outstrip the supply.

Also do you have ANY clue how hard it was to get to 20g in the first few months of this game?! lololol

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

and STILL you fail to include the dwindling supply in a market DRIVEN on supply and demand. What part of that do you not comprehend?!

You try to justify your argument using Globs?! Something that is so readily available I can double click a basic salvage kit and get one… or god forbid make a killing on the ecto vendor which I have done multiple times. Ectos in this game are almost like water. Demand will NEVER outstrip the supply.

…Okok, I start to think that you’re probably just trolling, but I’ll respond anyway.

You try to show me, that the Ghastly Grinning Shield back then was just as (un)affordable as it is today by comparing it to Gem Prices.
Then I do exactly the same… and suddenly the argument is irrelevant?

You used the Gem Prices as an indicator of inflation.
I used Gem Prices as an indicator of inflation. I also used Globs of Ectoplasm as an indicator of inflation. Forget about the Globs of Ectoplasm if you want to, the Gem Prices still show that the Ghastly Grinning Shield Skin had a price increase that is far, far above inflation. And thus, it is far far less affordable today than it was in Nov 12. It’s pretty simple logic…

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Also do you have ANY clue how hard it was to get to 20g in the first few months of this game?! lololol

Yes. Far far easier than getting 4000g nowadays. lololol

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

and STILL you fail to include the dwindling supply in a market DRIVEN on supply and demand. What part of that do you not comprehend?!

You try to justify your argument using Globs?! Something that is so readily available I can double click a basic salvage kit and get one… or god forbid make a killing on the ecto vendor which I have done multiple times. Ectos in this game are almost like water. Demand will NEVER outstrip the supply.

…Okok, I start to think that you’re probably just trolling, but I’ll respond anyway.

You try to show me, that the Ghastly Grinning Shield back then was just as (un)affordable as it is today by comparing it to Gem Prices.
Then I do exactly the same… and suddenly the argument is irrelevant?

You used the Gem Prices as an indicator of inflation.
I used Gem Prices as an indicator of inflation. I also used Globs of Ectoplasm as an indicator of inflation. Forget about the Globs of Ectoplasm if you want to, the Gem Prices still show that the Ghastly Grinning Shield Skin had a price increase that is far, far above inflation. And thus, it is far far less affordable today than it was in Nov 12. It’s pretty simple logic…

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Also do you have ANY clue how hard it was to get to 20g in the first few months of this game?! lololol

Yes. Far far easier than getting 4000g nowadays. lololol

and again… you ignore dwindling supply… sigh…

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

and again… you ignore dwindling supply… sigh…

No I don’t… sigh…
Dwindling supply is exactly the answer!
Dwindling supply is the reason why getting a 20g Ghastly Grinning Shield in Nov 12 is easier than getting a 4000g Ghastly Grinning Shield in Jun 15.
Dwindling supply is the reason why your statement ‘it has ALWAYS been financially unobtainable to the average GW2 player’ is bullkitten, since it was far far more obtainable to the average GW2 player back then than it is today. They could even get it for free if they were lucky!

Dude… the first month or two of the game if you met someone with 5-10g you were like HOLY ____! How did you get so RICH! Trust me… I was there…

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Dude… the first month or two of the game if you met someone with 5-10g you were like HOLY ____! How did you get so RICH! Trust me… I was there…

Dude.
In Nov 12, you’d have to buy 3200 Gems to afford a Ghastly Grinning Shield.
In Jun 15, you’d have to buy 36.000 Gems to afford a Ghastly Grinning Shield.
Do you notice any difference?
Meeting a palyer with 20g in Nov 12 is far more likely than meeting someone with 4000g in Jun 15. You’re really exaggerating here.

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

and again… you ignore dwindling supply… sigh…

No I don’t… sigh…
Dwindling supply is exactly the answer!
Dwindling supply is the reason why getting a 20g Ghastly Grinning Shield in Nov 12 is easier than getting a 4000g Ghastly Grinning Shield in Jun 15.
Dwindling supply is the reason why your statement ‘it has ALWAYS been financially unobtainable to the average GW2 player’ is bullkitten, since it was far far more obtainable to the average GW2 player back then than it is today. They could even get it for free if they were lucky!

You clearly have no concept of what 20g was in November 2012 or what 175g was in Jan ’13…

Let me give you some perspective… a month before the Ghastly appeared you could by DUSK for 100g… a PRECURSOR… That was RIDICULOUSLY expensive then. So Ghastly listing at 20g was still SUPER expensive. In January ’13 Dusk listed at 550 and Ghastly was a third that cost again BOTH INSANELY expensive.

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Dude… the first month or two of the game if you met someone with 5-10g you were like HOLY ____! How did you get so RICH! Trust me… I was there…

Dude.
In Nov 12, you’d have to buy 3200 Gems to afford a Ghastly Grinning Shield.
In Jun 15, you’d have to buy 36.000 Gems to afford a Ghastly Grinning Shield.
Do you notice any difference?
Meeting a palyer with 20g in Nov 12 is far more likely than meeting someone with 4000g in Jun 15. You’re really exaggerating here.

lol No… I’m not… find your friends who are 3 year vets and ask them

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

lol No… I’m not… find your friends who are 3 year vets and ask them

My girlfriend is one, as well as most of my friends that I play GW2 with regularly.

20g was much gold back then, but not even close to as much as 4000g is today.

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

lol No… I’m not… find your friends who are 3 year vets and ask them

My girlfriend is one, as well as most of my friends that I play GW2 with regularly.

20g was much gold back then, but not even close to as much as 4000g is today.

Actually 5000g now if you look at the listings… Know what the one factor is? Supply… There are TWO left.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Let me give you some perspective… a month before the Ghastly appeared you could by DUSK for 100g… a PRECURSOR… That was RIDICULOUSLY expensive then. So Ghastly listing at 20g was still SUPER expensive. In January ’13 Dusk listed at 550 and Ghastly was a third that cost again BOTH INSANELY expensive.

Okay. so Dusk was ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’.
Ghastly was ‘SUPER expensive’.
Let’s assume that Dusk kept it’s state as ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’.
What state is Ghastly now in? It has far surpassed Dusk’s ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’ price, so it’s probably something like… ‘ULTRA HYPER QUADRUPLE expensive’ now?
So while Dusk stayed ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’, Ghastly increased it’s value from ‘SUPER expensive’ to ‘ULTRA HYPER QUADRUPLE expensive’, thus implying that it’s far harder to afford now than it was back then.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Actually 5000g now if you look at the listings… Know what the one factor is? Supply… There are TWO left.

Thanks for supporting my argument. I think we’re finally getting somewhere.

AzureSky.3175:

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Let me give you some perspective… a month before the Ghastly appeared you could by DUSK for 100g… a PRECURSOR… That was RIDICULOUSLY expensive then. So Ghastly listing at 20g was still SUPER expensive. In January ’13 Dusk listed at 550 and Ghastly was a third that cost again BOTH INSANELY expensive.

Okay. so Dusk was ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’.
Ghastly was ‘SUPER expensive’.
Let’s assume that Dusk kept it’s state as ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’.
What state is Ghastly now in? It has far surpassed Dusk’s ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’ price, so it’s probably something like… ‘ULTRA HYPER QUADRUPLE expensive’ now?
So while Dusk stayed ‘RIDICULOUSLY expensive’, Ghastly increased it’s value from ‘SUPER expensive’ to ‘ULTRA HYPER QUADRUPLE expensive’, thus implying that it’s far harder to afford now than it was back then.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Actually 5000g now if you look at the listings… Know what the one factor is? Supply… There are TWO left.

Thanks for supporting my argument. I think we’re finally getting somewhere.

omg now you are just trolling… Dusk can still be obtained whereas Ghastly cannot… again… SUPPLY

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

omg now you are just trolling… Dusk can still be obtained whereas Ghastly cannot… again… SUPPLY

Kk, I’m already able to predict your replies :D

Thanks for supporting my argument. Ghastly is much harder to obtain now than it was in Nov 12, because of it’s shrinking all caps supply. I think we’re finally getting somewhere.

@AzureSky
You sound sooooooo whinyyy. If you cant afford it or wasnt there when it was cheap to buy, e.g like house prices in real life. Then too bad! Think of supply and demand.

The ONLY REASON you want it, is because it sooo hard to get and NOT MANY have them.

TheDemonEmperor.6825:

@AzureSky
You sound sooooooo whinyyy. If you cant afford it or wasnt there when it was cheap to buy, e.g like house prices in real life. Then too bad! Think of supply and demand.

The ONLY REASON you want it, is because it sooo hard to get and NOT MANY have them.

No no, you misunderstand me, I don’t want the shield :0
Sure, it looks cool, but it fits none of my characters. If it did, I’d have already bought it, no big deal.
I’m just saying that it was far easier to obtain during Halloween ‘12 than it is today. And you’re saying the same thing. So I agree with you :P

I couldn’t care less if the wings were made available again or not, I’ve never used mine as they don’t look nice imo. However, I’ll just leave this photo here of my ranger. Did you notice the Halo? Selfless Potions aren’t available either.

I like the Holographic Shattered Dragon Wings. They should indeed put these wings with al the other back items back ingame. For the ones who dont know how those dragon wings look like, check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac9LDBSA-E8&index=8&list=PLImXnIe_4nAPlw942z5X_3RDHrJJ0cU8j

JediYoda.1275:

Darkness Commander.6417:

I like the Holographic Shattered Dragon Wings. They should indeed put these wings with al the other back items back ingame. For the ones who dont know how those dragon wings look like, check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac9LDBSA-E8&index=8&list=PLImXnIe_4nAPlw942z5X_3RDHrJJ0cU8j

you can still get the Holographic shattered dragon wings ingame from the Merchant for 100 Jorbreaker
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sonder_the_Seller

Actually, no that’s a different dragon wing. It’s the Holographic Dragon wing cover that was a drop and is for sale on the trading post.

What he sells:
Holographic Dragon Wing Cover Consumable Rare 100 Jorbreaker

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Holographic_Dragon_Wing_Cover
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/43346-holographic-dragon-wing-cover

before reading
yes this is long and as such its meant for those who wanna have a real discussion and not just say the same things over and over. for all those who played back then and want to keep it out because u want it to be special to you please read the whole thing and dont assume i dont get where ur coming from :) thanks

my little story not to long, sets my point of view ^_^
I played way back then as did a lot of people, and u know what i remember this event with such remorse now because i didnt bother. Back then i looked at what i could get and i thought to my self meh the wings are cool but not that worth my time i rather just do some of the other stuff in the game and of coarse i had a blast as i assume all of us did back then, now its been a few years. I had a break for a year due to finishing year 12 and couldnt play when focusing on that painful year. Then when i finished year 12 i had forgotten about gw2 and just did some other stuff till HoT had been out for like a month or 2 and i saw it and was like O_O “holy KITTEN i loved gw2 i gotta get back into this.”

now i’m back and loving everyday and i wanna collect everything and get every achievement. i plan to put the next 7+ years of my life into this game, now of coarse i chose to do other things in gw2 during the event at the time. And so of coarse i dont deserve them now however i think it would be fair for me to work just as hard as u did to earn them. so i got 2 ideas the first being what i think is best and the 2nd being just something that takes hell long and their fore u would of worked less for the same thing that i work super hard for.

1. its a living world right. so why wouldn’t this world celebrate these things more then once. Of coarse its not a yearly thing because lets be real it wouldnt make sense to be yearly in the real world. but u know what every 5 years the world could have another celebration to commemorate the past. Anet could bring back the achievements for that month and all the rewards etc. This means us people who want to collect everything and people who just want a item they missed can wait the 5 years and grab it next time.
It also means Anet can reuse holiday ideas meaning some extra content for us while they work on harder stuff. also means those who got them the first time can focus on grabbing some things they may of missed during the first event if they focused on the wings.

ps. to make it so people who got the rewards in the past get something cool to work on if they were kittenes and got everything last time. Anet could include a variant color of the wings in this case or what ever is the most expensive item in other holidays which costs 1.5x that of the base one and would require some high tier mats maybe 10 achievements done out of that events achievements and can only be made if u own the first version.

pss. this would mean people like me who want to collect it all will have to work are kitten off and earn the base version of the wings and then earn enough to buy the recipe as well if we want this new color of it. meaning i either worked my kitten off or i dont get it and all the kitten vets will have a easy time getting the new recolor and they can show it off while the rest of us who bother will only have the base version.

Stating the obvious
this leads to those who work hard will have something to show off and those who work somewhat hard can get an old item and those who dont do either will have nothing until another 5 years. it also means when people ask u how u get them u say just wait 5 years till the next time the event is run.

2. (the simple fix and least amount of work for anet) make it buyable for large amounts of its currency at the time. i personally dont care much for this but it would fix the problem. just like how the other hologram wings will cost u roughly 3k gold to get the candy u need for it.

thanks for reading hope you all have wonderful days/nights i gonna be on gw2 busy collecting currency and stuff :D

Yay! Another necroposting. The 5th this week or something.

I’d be behind adding these.

I was a player then, but wasn’t actively playing, due to lengthy hospitalisation at the time, so my self interest is showing.

I can’t wait to see the reaction of these people when the cosmetic item of their dreams will be released for 2 weeks only, never to come back again, and these 2 weeks will exactly be the 2 weeks they are on holidays with no Internet and no game. Where are your 9k hours played now?

Yes to re-release. Players who already have them are extremely unlikely to leave because of it, new players are more likely to stay if these kinds of things happen. We want more players, Anet wants more players. Selfish people who want so badly to be special because… because… because! will have to scratch their butt elsewhere.

I have played the game since release. I have thousands of hours played. I have most goodies that were temporarily released, missing only 1-2 (mad king mostly, was out on holidays). I feel there are many ways Anet is rewarding me for my loyalty and longevity and I wouldn’t feel left aside if they released again items that were out only for a very short time.

But haters gonna hate.

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