Guild Wars 2

I’ll get to the questions after I provide context. I’m not going to name any names. I’m kind of stuck and I’m seeking advice on what to do.

I’ve been back a bit under 48 hours. I played from beta until the middle of F&F. I’m from Tarnished Coast. TC has a big RP community. I’m in no guilds. I remember jack about my class, and decide to make a new character. My friends are cool with it. I soon join a guild, that’s described themselves as “a social network for RPers”. I think it’s a great concept. A bunch of guilds connect to this one; due to its usefulness. And lo! It turns out my friends are in this guild! One vouches for me and I’m in.

Fast forward 20 hours and we’re just chatting about weapons. I joke about tickling my best friend, as torture, until they buy me one. He says “Good luck getting through my armor.” His guy is small, so I say “You’re tiny. Thus your armor is smaller. It’d be easier to get off.” The guild leader takes this as the most lewd/sexual thing ever and says “So much for going 24 hours without breaking the code of conduct.” and I get kicked from the guild.

I can’t whisper this leader either. I’ve been blocked. I let my friend know and a bunch of the guildies agree this isn’t like the leader, that this went out of proportions. My friend is stuck playing telephone between us, and this GL is determined not to talk with me. I even tried buttering them up and buying them a kite from the gem store. Nada. Blocked folks can’t send gifts.

So now I’m guildless, my friends aren’t. I’m still blocked by the guild leader… and because of this guilds influence; I may be blacklisted from any of their affiliates. Which are most in the area. I’m demoralized and I’m considering leaving the game, and its community, again. What do I do? Will this person get better, unblock me eventually, and talk? Can I get back in? Do I just play with my friends when they’re in public zones and put up with the leader’s presence, even though he’ll never see my chat, and make it awkward for all of us?

I am stuck playing the waiting game right now. What would you guys do? How is this possible?

And thats when you start roleplaying a backstabbing thief. Also petition Anet to make a droppable centaur head you can put in his rp home.

Other than that, I aint got a clue what you can do.

From what I understand TC has a huge problem with these “lewd” RPers, they ruin the reputation of the server and the RP community in general. The leader may have overreacted but it’s understandable that no RP guild would want to have these types of RP players in their guild.

Also, are you sure that you got kicked for that reason?

Gah, create your own guild, I’d say..
If they are ‘true’ friends (whether that’s even remotely possible in a MMO game) they’ll leave that guild that kicked you and join you..

Create your own RP guild. You will be better off nutjobs o/

kokiman.2364:

From what I understand TC has a huge problem with these “lewd” RPers, they ruin the reputation of the server and the RP community in general. The leader may have overreacted but it’s understandable that no RP guild would want to have these types of RP players in their guild.

Also, are you sure that you got kicked for that reason?

Yeah. Swearing and stuff is allowed since adults are in the guild. But anything that isn’t PG-13 isn’t allowed in guild chat. We’re told to unrep during whatever. By “postulating the removal of a guild member’s armor” I broke the conduct and was promptly BTFO.

Hmm… this is a very tricky problem indeed. It’s a very personal problem, too, which means that advice might not even be relevant or accurate.

It’s down to the GL.

Your friends can try speaking to the GL, but they might risk being punished as well. Even if you feel you haven’t done anything wrong, you will have to apologise even if it’s just a “sorry” that you said something that apparently offended the GL.

As far as I’m aware, most guilds are perfectly happy recruiting someone that has been kicked from another guild. Even if this guild is a “network”, I’m willing to bet if you speak to another guild politely you’ll be let back in. Be open with what happened in the previous guild and be very careful with subject matter during your first few days.

Any mature, reasonable and sensible person will understand and give you a chance.

Perhaps after a bit of time spent under another guild in the network, they could refer you back to the original guild and speak to the original GL. You might then have a chance of being in the guild with your friends, then.

Another option is to party up with your friends as often as possible so they can communicate if there’s a guild event or something going on which you might be able to join in with.

Of course, all of this advice depends on how accurate your account of the story is (including the direct quotes). I hate to be devil’s advocate, but there have been similar threads made by others where the tale has been skewed (an “every coin has two sides” deal).

EDIT: Noticed that a lot of people have suggested that you make your own guild and then your friends can join you.
- To me, this seems kinda counter-productive. Surely as an RP-er you want to be in a community?
-You are also more likely to be given a second chance in the guild you were kicked from if you have been observed to have good behaviour/helpfulness in other well-know guilds.
-Personally, I think it is kinda unfair to try to pull your friends out of a guild that they obviously enjoy. (If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be there). You don’t want to create tension between you and your buddies!
-The friends still in the guild could still also be your ticket back in.

Tribio.8531:

Gah, create your own guild, I’d say..
If they are ‘true’ friends (whether that’s even remotely possible in a MMO game) they’ll leave that guild that kicked you and join you..

More like they’d join my guild, but rarely rep, and stay in the other guild, rep it more. I can’t deny it. The guild is extremely useful. Leaders of several warbands are already members in it. I’ve pretty much got an undesirable sign above my head.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Of course, all of this advice depends on how accurate your account of the story is (including the direct quotes). I hate to be devil’s advocate, but there have been similar threads made by others where the tale has been skewed (an “every coin has two sides” deal).

Psh. Everybody knows that a coin has three outcomes. No matter how unlikely the outcome of a coin landing on its edge. It makes for a great concept in stories. Legacy of Kain fans! Represent!

I’m most likely going to try what you’ve recommended. Still, I’m at the mercy of a person who’s chosen to see no evil, hear no evil.

The best advice I can think of is to write a professional apology letter and ask your friend to send it to this guild leader. Worth a try.

Assuming your recollection of the exact chat wording was correct, what is more interesting to me is it says more about the GL seeing a double entendre where one does not exist. Could also be situation where this person’s own phobias and, let me see if I can get this word out without scratching my throat, values (reaches for a glass of water) dictate an entirely different guideline for lewd that, say, a rational person may have.

Doesn’t help you get back in the guild, but if it were me, he doesn’t sound like someone I’d want as my leader. Again, assuming all things are as they are.

Skritt happens.

+1 Notebene- well said.

Maybe it’s also worth letting the waters calm before stirring it up again? Maybe in a week or so, it’s all water under the bridge and the GL dosen’t mind so much, or has had some time to reflect that what you (claimed to have) said isn’t all that terrible.

- start your own guild, work very hard to make it a good one and well populated at that. If you start right now, then it’s right near the sale, so lots of new people to recruit!

- leave that community in particular and join a non RP guild.

- step away and lay low for a few months.

- find an RP community in a different game.

notebene.3190:

Assuming your recollection of the exact chat wording was correct, what is more interesting to me is it says more about the GL seeing a double entendre where one does not exist. Could also be situation where this person’s own phobias and, let me see if I can get this word out without scratching my throat, values (reaches for a glass of water) dictate an entirely different guideline for lewd that, say, a rational person may have.

Doesn’t help you get back in the guild, but if it were me, he doesn’t sound like someone I’d want as my leader. Again, assuming all things are as they are.

Well, no. It’s not even a double entendre, it’s a single entendre. The OP was talking about taking someone’s their clothes off (armour is the only clothes we have in game). And tickling. Either of those things could be sexual; both together would tend to reinforce that idea. It’s not the only interpretation, but it is a reasonable one. Albeit that the “ERP” hadn’t gotten very far.

So I can definitely see why the guild leader thought what he thought, especially given he’s dealing with a new member he doesn’t know/trust. The main problem here is the guild leader’s conduct after that. An instant gkick and block, and a refusal to even talk about it. It’s a very extreme response, especially for what little was said.

Olvendred.3027:

notebene.3190:

Snip.

Well, no. It’s not even a double entendre, it’s a single entendre. The OP was talking about taking someone’s their clothes off (armour is the only clothes we have in game). And tickling. Either of those things could be sexual; both together would tend to reinforce that idea. It’s not the only interpretation, but it is a reasonable one. Albeit that the “ERP” hadn’t gotten very far.

I wouldn’t say that tickling is strictly sexual- in fact, I believe for many people that tickling primarily has child-like connotations. It is common to tickle babies and young children. From what was said in the OP, the fact that the player being ‘tickled’ was small supports this theme.

Removing armour to be able to tickle more effective also seems pretty innocent. Wearing fewer clothes, on its own also seems pretty innocent. Perhaps it’s the combination of two fairly innocent concepts that make it “dirty” in the eyes of the GL.

I still have to agree with Notebene, it seems like the GL was purposefully looking for an “undertone” in the RP. With a certain frame of mind, a lot can be taken out of context and made to seem much worse than it is. It is then difficult for a while to see a subject from a neutral perspective.

I do agree with you though, Olvendred. It was certainly a poorly proportioned response to what seems to be a minor infraction (if one at all). I would understand an officer /w or /g saying “Enough of that, please, before it gets out of hand”. Further action would seem reasonable if somebody contacted an officer because they felt uncomfortable.

But hey, when it comes down to it a GL can do whatever he/she wants in terms of rules and punishments. The limitations are the GW2 ToS and putting their own reputations on the line.