Guild Wars 2

So I started in the {played 3 betas before} “head start” – this was 3 days before the actual release- and needless to say I enjoyed myself (I hit 80 in 3 days). Now I’m going to name off certain problems that I’m having with the reasons given why dungeon rewards are being nerfed and prices for karma/faction/race items haven’t been brought back down from their 10 fold increase.

First off I want to address the dungeon reward nerfs. Why exactly are you doing this? You are punishing the players for learning the game and getting proficient in one area. Not only do we have to deal with some dungeons being unavailable for 10 minutes at the top of every hour (Cof) or worse 3-4 hours (Arah) now we are being punished for getting the most out of what little time we are allotted to do said dungeon. There are only two reasons I can see that are possible for this knee jerk reaction:

(1): You want to try and push players to explore other parts of the dungeon(s). -I would like to address this: Now you have to understand the reason we do these dungeons over and over again, what’s that called again? Oh yea “Grinding” right, now we “Grind” these dungeons to get the cool looking armor sets found in Lion’s Arch by trading tokens that we acquire after every run, usually 20-25. Others do it for the monetary rewards to spend on armor/weapons/dyes at the Trading post.

-Let me tell you the one thing we DON’T “Grind” dungeons for: Loot. The loot given to us from chests is atrocious: the fact that a monetary reward from one of these chests is “1 copper” is almost infuriating. On top of that we also see maybe 3 blues and of course the “tokens” 4-5 from each chest.

With this latest patch ALL you have done is made it harder to get anything in the game, in effect making it more… oh what is the word you use ALL the time as an example of what you are trying to get away from…. Ah “Grinding” You are making this game MORE of a grind every patch.

(2) You want players to spend more time out in the world. -I can see why, the designing of this game is beautiful, HOWEVER yet again the rewards for exploration and event grinding are horrid.

Once we hit 80 all we care about is looks, THAT and getting as powerful in our respective play styles as possible. The rewards given for world exploration make it “meh”. “Meh” meaning “I can do this….or I can go farm a dungeon and look cool.” This brings me to another HUGE elephant in the room that has gone unadressed for way too long.

-Cont-

You banned players for buying Karma weapons and selling them back to the venders for in game currency… Explain to me how this is different from buying Gems and “Trading” (selling) them for in game currency. In essence it’s not, you labeled it an exploit because players found a system in which they could exchange Karma for in game currency. So instead of explaining WHY this was an exploit you banned the accounts and labeled it an exploit. Once again punishing the players for THINKING. Really, what is wrong for exchanging Karma for Gold? I’ll tell you, it takes away from the money you make from people buying Gems. Of course you don’t want to say that, but you have a business and you want to keep it that way.

-Disclaimer: I was dumb a didn’t even think of exchanging Karma for Gold at the time, thank the giant spaghetti monster in the sky that I didn’t.-

Each time you make something more outrageously expensive you increase the likelihood of players purchasing more Gems. Did you ever stop to think WHY players were so desperate for money early on in the game? They didn’t have a Trading Post so they had to NPC an item for 3 Silver when they could have made a Gold.

I now want to address the SPASTIC increase in Karma weapon prices, Faction weapon prices, and Racial armor prices.

I remember going to my Order of Whispers Headquarters after finding our they sold faction armor/weapons; this was a day or two before you “adjusted the prices,” and buying each piece of armor for 25 SILVER and each weapon for THE SAME PRICE. Now, after you “adjusted the prices” it is now 4 GOLD per piece and 10 G PER weapon. You can buy better weapons and armor at the Trading Post for 3 G. The faction armor, to me, was the starter gear for lvl 80. How did you justify increasing the Karma/Racial/Faction items by more than TEN FOLD? You said that players found an exploit in which they could sell it back to the vender for more than they bought it. Are you kidding me? I bought each piece for 25 SILVER, the NPC’s offer was 3 SILVER and 45 Copper. LAME.

Even if this was a Knee Jerk reaction to the “Exploit” you still haven’t even noted to bringing them back down – you AVOID the topic all together. ALL of this makes the game a grind. I can tell the reason is you want players to play for longer, but instead of adding more content for the players you just make what we have more difficult.

You recently nerfed ARAH’s rewards by blocking the second boss from even being fought. Yet, despite constant pleas you do NOTHING to the OP that is “Giganticus Lupicus” and NOW you’ve made it even more difficult for players to even get gear that can even stand up to these dungeons.

EVERY TIME the player base finds a way to get faster rewards you attack them and make the game harder. At the rate you are going Guild Wars 2 will end up being just another Korean Grind fest full of BOTS and SPAMMERS.

And I, as a consumer should not feel threatened by voicing my opinion, or finding a way to enjoy the game that I payed for in a way that doesn’t violate the TOS.

I enjoy this- sorry, enjoyED this game very much. I lovED the direction of “No GRINDING” but everywhere I turn you patch another subject to be the exact same as every other MMO. Where is this Vision you spoke of? You are losing it. You are throwing out your Art for a poster of a Dollar Bill.

Thank you, Stratto.

and now people can’t even complete CM, HoW, or CoF Explore mode runs at all

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

This post made for a wonderful read and I agreed with most if not all of the statements you raised above. Personally I really enjoyed this game alot and it was well worth the money especially since its not pay 2 play. HOWEVER, as soon as you hit level 80 (especially these days) you’re in for one hell of a surprise. Come to think of it, the game has the players crippled in terms of the gear they can attain from the get-go and it seems like things are going to get worse and worse, to the point where pve is going to be completely ignored (this will obviously result in a lot of people quitting the game)

I really hope Arenanet do something about the game’s current grind-fest treadmill because atm its absolutely horrendous and mind-numbing to say the least…ive seen better grind-fests in Korean games…just saying

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

@Soothsayer

No, because I would like it sooner than later. As does everyone in the world for what ever they aspire for, right? Or do you like MAKING yourself wait because you are a fan of Masochism? The way the game WAS, I was fine for waiting about a month for the armor set I wanted, but more and more I watch them expand that time slot, for no other reason than to make you play longer. You’re the guy who hates the word GRIND right? Define GRIND the way you have it in your head, because to me it explains a feeling; A feeling of dragging your face across the cement in a moving car so you can grab the 100 dollar bill that’s on the ground. You sound like you do that everyday for 3 hours and then take a lime shower.

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

Stratto.3869:

@Soothsayer

No, because I would like it sooner than later. As does everyone in the world for what ever they aspire for, right? Or do you like MAKING yourself wait because you are a fan of Masochism? The way the game WAS, I was fine for waiting about a month for the armor set I wanted, but more and more I watch them expand that time slot, for no other reason than to make you play longer. You’re the guy who hates the word GRIND right? Define GRIND the way you have it in your head, because to me it explains a feeling; A feeling of dragging your face across the cement in a moving car so you can grab the 100 dollar bill that’s on the ground. You sound like you do that everyday for 3 hours and then take a lime shower.

No I like playing a game in my own time and eventually I’ll get everything I want. I’m level 80 with exotic gear and didn’t “grind” or “farm” anything. I spent a couple days casually completing each zone, doing every event I came across, and saving up my money (I bought the majority of my gear from 1-79 using karma after completing hearts). I amassed over 20g by the time I was 80, and then got a few gold more just roaming around Orr for a while.

The problem here is attitude and impatience. Exercise patience and treat GW2 as a game (i.e. entertainment) and you’ll be a lot happier. Instead of treating it like a chore where you have to complete everything in the same day.

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

@Soothsayer

No, because I would like it sooner than later. As does everyone in the world for what ever they aspire for, right? Or do you like MAKING yourself wait because you are a fan of Masochism? The way the game WAS, I was fine for waiting about a month for the armor set I wanted, but more and more I watch them expand that time slot, for no other reason than to make you play longer. You’re the guy who hates the word GRIND right? Define GRIND the way you have it in your head, because to me it explains a feeling; A feeling of dragging your face across the cement in a moving car so you can grab the 100 dollar bill that’s on the ground. You sound like you do that everyday for 3 hours and then take a lime shower.

No I like playing a game in my own time and eventually I’ll get everything I want. I’m level 80 with exotic gear and didn’t “grind” or “farm” anything. I spent a couple days casually completing each zone, doing every event I came across, and saving up my money (I bought the majority of my gear from 1-79 using karma after completing hearts). I amassed over 20g by the time I was 80, and then got a few gold more just roaming around Orr for a while.

The problem here is attitude and impatience. Exercise patience and treat GW2 as a game (i.e. entertainment) and you’ll be a lot happier. Instead of treating it like a chore where you have to complete everything in the same day.

And when did this all take place, the map completion/money acquiring and such?

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Have you ever tried not to be a mindless fanboy? They promised a game without gruelling grinds. Now, when it’s released, we find out the endgame is even grindier than in other MMOs. Then, when people find ways to elude the grind or make it easier, they nerf them. Why? As the OP pointed out, they’re trying to coerce you into spending money on gems (perhaps more money per month than you would have paid for a subscription). I would rather have paid 13 euros per month than have the game become this pile of dung designed to make you use the shop.

Fine transmutation stones used to be available for karma. Now, you hardly ever get them in the world, so store’s the way to go.

Repairs were something they weren’t even considering a year or two ago, yet here they are.

Traits were promised not to have a respec cost, yet here it is.

They claimed mounts weren’t needed because we had waypoints. Yet who would’ve known they would cost so much?

Because of the store, certain areas of the game are worse than even Guild Wars 1 (travel was free there, there was no armor damage).

No matter how much perfume you put on a pile of dung it will still stink. Despite the viral marketing, despite the crappy trailer that tells us about how they are innovating the genre, some people can still see that the endgame was designed to be a korean grind (a la NcSoft), designed to encourage you to use the store.

Gauradan.8361:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Have you ever tried not to be a mindless fanboy? They promised a game without gruelling grinds. Now, when it’s released, we find out the endgame is even grindier than in other MMOs. Then, when people find ways to elude the grind or make it easier, they nerf them. Why? As the OP pointed out, they’re trying to coerce you into spending money on gems (perhaps more money per month than you would have paid for a subscription). I would rather have paid 13 euros per month than have the game become this pile of dung designed to make you use the shop.

Fine transmutation stones used to be available for karma. Now, you hardly ever get them in the world, so store’s the way to go.

Repairs were something they weren’t even considering a year or two ago, yet here they are.

Traits were promised not to have a respec cost, yet here it is.

They claimed mounts weren’t needed because we had waypoints. Yet who would’ve known they would cost so much?

Because of the store, certain areas of the game are worse than even Guild Wars 1 (travel was free there, there was no armor damage).

No matter how much perfume you put on a pile of dung it will still stink. Despite the viral marketing, despite the crappy trailer that tells us about how they are innovating the genre, some people can still see that the endgame was designed to be a korean grind (a la NcSoft), designed to encourage you to use the store.

^THAT is exactly what I am calling them out on. It s HUGE Problem that everyone knows about in the back of their heads but they are too concerned with punishment to actually bring it up. We, as the consumers shouldn’t have to be scared of repercussions for voicing our opinion. After all we did pay for a product based on the message of “NO MORE GRIND”

a problem? ok… i know this isnt a single player but for instance Skyrim has no repair costs and nothing to spend your gold on and no consequences.

do you really want a game like that? no conseqences for the wrong choices and nothing to spend your gold on? even if it is repairs? pfft sorry but i cant understand that point of view howeber i do respect it.

‘’No More Grind’’

i cant see any grind what so ever all i see is an enjoyable experence, now if working or earning money to get a new set you might like is a grind then i see no future for gaming, if theres nothing to work towards even as little as armor sets for vanity as is GW2 or dungeons to get an item then i dont think the MMO is for you, hell alot of games arnt.

grind to me means: the same thing over and over and over and over with no enjoyment.

now while we do alot of dungeons the explorable modes are genius, different bosses etc? yes please a different experence whenever we enter and theres so MANY DE’s (1500 i belive which also trigger some minor others) they all have story and dilouge and im sorry but if you dont like story and dilouge and learning about this fantasy world them the MMORPG is probably not the right choice of gaming.

Stratto.3869:

^THAT is exactly what I am calling them out on. It s HUGE Problem that everyone knows about in the back of their heads but they are too concerned with punishment to actually bring it up. We, as the consumers shouldn’t have to be scared of repercussions for voicing our opinion. After all we did pay for a product based on the message of “NO MORE GRIND”

It might not be fear of punishment, but rather denial. Some people might not want to admit that the cash shop destroyed every principle ArenaNet and the game stood for. I also hoped the game would be what it was promising 2-3 years ago. It’s clearly not and that’s not because ArenaNet couldn’t have pulled it off, but because they (or NcSoft) figured that with all the hype surrounding the game, they could add more inconveniences in the game in order to encourage cash shop usage. What we’re seeing here is NcSoft heavily milking the only succesful game it has.

DrixTrix.7168:

a problem? ok… i know this isnt a single player but for instance Skyrim has no repair costs and nothing to spend your gold on and no consequences.

do you really want a game like that? no conseqences for the wrong choices and nothing to spend your gold on? even if it is repairs? pfft sorry but i cant understand that point of view howeber i do respect it.

‘’No More Grind’’

i cant see any grind what so ever all i see is an enjoyable experence, now if working or earning money to get a new set you might like is a grind then i see no future for gaming, if theres nothing to work towards even as little as armor sets for vanity as is GW2 or dungeons to get an item then i dont think the MMO is for you, hell alot of games arnt.

grind to me means: the same thing over and over and over and over with no enjoyment.

now while we do alot of dungeons the explorable modes are genius, different bosses etc? yes please a different experence whenever we enter and theres so MANY DE’s (1500 i belive which also trigger some minor others) they all have story and dilouge and im sorry but if you dont like story and dilouge and learning about this fantasy world them the MMORPG is probably not the right choice of gaming.

Love Story and Dialogue. It is obvious to me you weren’t in the “front Lines” so you didn’t see all the issues that are still being resolved: for instance on Story modes sometime the sound isn’t there and otehr times the written dialogue doens’t match what is being said. When you hit lvl 80, you’ll understand.

fair doo’s my freind!

i have been playing since headstart day 1 (though im not 80 just yet) and im wondering was it all the way through or just nearer the end(s)of the storys and DE locations? i havnt seen or heard anything miss matching in my time :P

Gauradan.8361:

It might not be fear of punishment, but rather denial. Some people might not want to admit that the cash shop destroyed every principle ArenaNet and the game stood for. I also hoped the game would be what it was promising 2-3 years ago. It’s clearly not and that’s not because ArenaNet couldn’t have pulled it off, but because they (or NcSoft) figured that with all the hype surrounding the game, they could add more inconveniences in the game in order to encourage cash shop usage. What we’re seeing here is NcSoft heavily milking the only succesful game it has.

I couldn’t Agree more. I would love for them to swoop down and prove us wrong. I would welcome a discussion with the Devs, because I have harder questions than the ones they prematurely agree with in the interviews they have.

DrixTrix.7168:

fair doo’s my freind!

i have been playing since headstart day 1 (though im not 80 just yet) and im wondering was it all the way through or just nearer the end(s)of the storys and DE locations? i havnt seen or heard anything miss matching in my time :P

Well in the early days the mid level(40-60) to high lvl (60-80) had issue such as constant bugging, cut scenes freezing, quests not updating, npcs refusing to move. The player base had to find a way to make sure the NPC’s went through the checklists, we had to come up with pretty unique was to get the quests to work. I have to give the Devs props, from what I’ve seen they’ve fixed hundreds of quest issues, but there are still a TON out there. It just comes with time, but when you get to the last boss of ARAH exp andthe door to him doesnt open after you just defeated a boss that was so tough you though it WAS the last one (Giganticus Lupicus) you get a little…. “Upset” I’m glad you have had a smooth run so far sir!

DrixTrix.7168:

now while we do alot of dungeons the explorable modes are genius, different bosses etc? yes please a different experence whenever we enter and theres so MANY DE’s (1500 i belive which also trigger some minor others) they all have story and dilouge and im sorry but if you dont like story and dilouge and learning about this fantasy world them the MMORPG is probably not the right choice of gaming.

The only reason I’m probably playing is because of the setting of the game. I’m a RPG guy, and as such storytelling is important to me. However, the game doesn’t even come close to excelling in that regard. Personal story, starting from levels 40-50 becomes cheesy and dull, with a certain character taking the spotlight with you being his errand boy/girl. Add to that the fact that you get destroyed by mobs so often and a hero is the last thing that this game makes you feel like.

So, yes, I want this game to be Skyrim, because it had good storytelling and I could play it at the difficulty I wanted without feeling punished. I want this game to be the Witcher 2, because it had excellent storytelling. However, it’s neither. And while it may have a large enough fanboy crowd to be successful, to me, it’s just another MMO flop.

I agree with the OP.

The reward system for this game is just….off. I was cool with legendaries being a insane grind. (and they are) but now it’s like everything else is slowly becoming a grind.

Of course people are going to take the easiest route of a dungeon when they have to do it 50+ times.

They can fix this. I hope they will.

This I thought was supposed to be a MMO for the more casual player. They are never going to get anything cool at this rate. Yeah the game is tons of fun but in a MMO players LOVE getting cool stuff. Give everyone a chance at that and not those who have a handful of hours to spend. I don’t know..I love the game but I just feel like after the nerf of the dungeon rewards that they don’t want us to succeed.

Stratto.3869:

Gauradan.8361:

It might not be fear of punishment, but rather denial. Some people might not want to admit that the cash shop destroyed every principle ArenaNet and the game stood for. I also hoped the game would be what it was promising 2-3 years ago. It’s clearly not and that’s not because ArenaNet couldn’t have pulled it off, but because they (or NcSoft) figured that with all the hype surrounding the game, they could add more inconveniences in the game in order to encourage cash shop usage. What we’re seeing here is NcSoft heavily milking the only succesful game it has.

I couldn’t Agree more. I would love for them to swoop down and prove us wrong. I would welcome a discussion with the Devs, because I have harder questions than the ones they prematurely agree with in the interviews they have.

They will never discuss it with people like you or me, because we’d be asking tough questions. Instead, we’ll probably see interviews with gaming “press” telling us how awesome and completely fair the cash shop design is.

Stratto.3869:

mechasauce.1309:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

I also chose to buy the game and play it the way I would like to. I have a choice to shoot myself in the head but I don’t. “You have a choice” That’s a weak reason. that’s like saying: You can either die in a fire, or slowly die from the temperature in your body increasing. “Well you had a choice” By voicing my opinion I have constructed a discussion to create new avenues. More “Choices” as it were. Please contribute to the conversation rather than just saying: “everything is alright” wait no, you can even say that, but don;t just regurgitate what you hear like a republican bobble head, think, construct, speak.

So what I am seeing by this is “I choose to play the game how I want to, I choose to grind” then turn around and saying “This is to much of a grind I hate it”. Then attempt some political slander….

Makes sense.

Small question how much time will it cost me to get the Sorrow’s Embrace exotic set?

Gauradan.8361:

Stratto.3869:

Gauradan.8361:

It might not be fear of punishment, but rather denial. Some people might not want to admit that the cash shop destroyed every principle ArenaNet and the game stood for. I also hoped the game would be what it was promising 2-3 years ago. It’s clearly not and that’s not because ArenaNet couldn’t have pulled it off, but because they (or NcSoft) figured that with all the hype surrounding the game, they could add more inconveniences in the game in order to encourage cash shop usage. What we’re seeing here is NcSoft heavily milking the only succesful game it has.

I couldn’t Agree more. I would love for them to swoop down and prove us wrong. I would welcome a discussion with the Devs, because I have harder questions than the ones they prematurely agree with in the interviews they have.

They will never discuss it with people like you or me, because we’d be asking tough questions. Instead, we’ll probably see interviews with gaming “press” telling us how awesome and completely fair the cash shop design is.

You’re wrong here. They always come on the forums and directly talk about stuff. Colin was here not long ago telling people what they felt about dungeons.

While I am disappointed in how they are rewarding us for dungeons and in general. I also know that the forums are not the only feedback they are receiving. They are also taking into account those inside the game.

Of course, media now is all advertisement, the times of people asking intelligent and hard questions is over. Now we have bands that sound the same, news that isn’t news, movies that dull the senses, and games that aren’t games. Too bad Zipper died, they at least listened and interacted with their consumers.

It’s sooooo lame that you have to buy exotics from a vendor :s It takes away the rareness of ALL the items. It’s like, you have a full exotic set, but it doesn’t feel good because like right next to you is a vendor that just sells it all :s so it doesn’t even feel good. that’s where GW1 or almost any other game was different, you actually have to be lucky to get a drop from a chest, which is verry exciting. I miss that

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Stratto.3869:

mechasauce.1309:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

I also chose to buy the game and play it the way I would like to. I have a choice to shoot myself in the head but I don’t. “You have a choice” That’s a weak reason. that’s like saying: You can either die in a fire, or slowly die from the temperature in your body increasing. “Well you had a choice” By voicing my opinion I have constructed a discussion to create new avenues. More “Choices” as it were. Please contribute to the conversation rather than just saying: “everything is alright” wait no, you can even say that, but don;t just regurgitate what you hear like a republican bobble head, think, construct, speak.

cough…everything is allright…cough

Chris.7653:

Stratto.3869:

mechasauce.1309:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

I also chose to buy the game and play it the way I would like to. I have a choice to shoot myself in the head but I don’t. “You have a choice” That’s a weak reason. that’s like saying: You can either die in a fire, or slowly die from the temperature in your body increasing. “Well you had a choice” By voicing my opinion I have constructed a discussion to create new avenues. More “Choices” as it were. Please contribute to the conversation rather than just saying: “everything is alright” wait no, you can even say that, but don;t just regurgitate what you hear like a republican bobble head, think, construct, speak.

So what I am seeing by this is “I choose to play the game how I want to, I choose to grind” then turn around and saying “This is to much of a grind I hate it”. Then attempt some political slander….

Makes sense.

No sir, I was using what the previous poster said about: “choice” as an example of how that sort of thinking is irrational. We are being funneled into a grind slowly, and if you can’t see that than either you are trying hard not to, or just haven’t been paying attention. I was just informed that the reward for completing CoF is now 2 Silver, from 26 Silver. Tell me how that is justified? Now what I am seeing by this is either you are trying to troll, or just simply trying to redirect the conversation. I even stated in the very quote you used that this is an open invitation for us to speak our minds about how we feel about it. Not use subtle (as it LOOKED like you were trying to use sarcasm subtly) but obvious remarks to slander the poster.

I will correct you sir, that is not what I intended to say, and if it came off that way I apologize. What I meant to say is there are other routes that can be taken then the ones we think we are being given.

RaZaC.1963:

Small question how much time will it cost me to get the Sorrow’s Embrace exotic set?

Several days of nothing but running the same dungeon 24h a day.

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Then, if people deem it acceptable and noone will speak up so that ArenaNet will change the costs to the previous costs (because, oh, did I mention dungeon armor was easier to acquire in betas and cultural armor costed less?), I will probably be playing Skyrim because guess what? There the armor that I like is a command line away and the choice whether to work for it so that I feel accomplishment when wearing it is mine and mine alone. That doesn’t mean I use cheats, because I don’t, but the choice is there. I don’t care about prestige and showing off my armor. I care about how my character looks. If I have to grind for 200 hours so that my character can look the way I want, ArenaNet and their game can go to hell.

Dynellen.4739:

RaZaC.1963:

Small question how much time will it cost me to get the Sorrow’s Embrace exotic set?

Several days of nothing but running the same dungeon 24h a day.

Well not only that now, but you will actually start losing money from repair costs after this last patch. Enjoy

Stratto.3869:

Chris.7653:

Stratto.3869:

mechasauce.1309:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

I also chose to buy the game and play it the way I would like to. I have a choice to shoot myself in the head but I don’t. “You have a choice” That’s a weak reason. that’s like saying: You can either die in a fire, or slowly die from the temperature in your body increasing. “Well you had a choice” By voicing my opinion I have constructed a discussion to create new avenues. More “Choices” as it were. Please contribute to the conversation rather than just saying: “everything is alright” wait no, you can even say that, but don;t just regurgitate what you hear like a republican bobble head, think, construct, speak.

So what I am seeing by this is “I choose to play the game how I want to, I choose to grind” then turn around and saying “This is to much of a grind I hate it”. Then attempt some political slander….

Makes sense.

No sir, I was using what the previous poster said about: “choice” as an example of how that sort of thinking is irrational. We are being funneled into a grind slowly, and if you can’t see that than either you are trying hard not to, or just haven’t been paying attention. I was just informed that the reward for completing CoF is now 2 Silver, from 26 Silver. Tell me how that is justified? Now what I am seeing by this is either you are trying to troll, or just simply trying to redirect the conversation. I even stated in the very quote you used that this is an open invitation for us to speak our minds about how we feel about it. Not use subtle (as it LOOKED like you were trying to use sarcasm subtly) but obvious remarks to slander the poster.

I will correct you sir, that is not what I intended to say, and if it came off that way I apologize. What I meant to say is there are other routes that can be taken then the ones we think we are being given.

Seriously dude, sounds like you are going to have a heart attack from all this…maybe just calm down a bit, start up guild wars and farm some mobs for a few hours…

mechasauce.1309:

Stratto.3869:

Chris.7653:

Stratto.3869:

mechasauce.1309:

Soothsayer.9476:

Stratto.3869:

LostMK.4089:

good job Trion Riot ArenaNet

Well played. I’m OK with things taking time, but when you can actively see them expanding on that ammount of time it’s aggravating. I got a full time job and a partimer, I don’t have the time to farm for a few hours a day.

Then don’t farm for a few hours a day, why do you even need to? Because you want everything right now?

Dudes got a point…you have a choice…

I also chose to buy the game and play it the way I would like to. I have a choice to shoot myself in the head but I don’t. “You have a choice” That’s a weak reason. that’s like saying: You can either die in a fire, or slowly die from the temperature in your body increasing. “Well you had a choice” By voicing my opinion I have constructed a discussion to create new avenues. More “Choices” as it were. Please contribute to the conversation rather than just saying: “everything is alright” wait no, you can even say that, but don;t just regurgitate what you hear like a republican bobble head, think, construct, speak.

So what I am seeing by this is “I choose to play the game how I want to, I choose to grind” then turn around and saying “This is to much of a grind I hate it”. Then attempt some political slander….

Makes sense.

No sir, I was using what the previous poster said about: “choice” as an example of how that sort of thinking is irrational. We are being funneled into a grind slowly, and if you can’t see that than either you are trying hard not to, or just haven’t been paying attention. I was just informed that the reward for completing CoF is now 2 Silver, from 26 Silver. Tell me how that is justified? Now what I am seeing by this is either you are trying to troll, or just simply trying to redirect the conversation. I even stated in the very quote you used that this is an open invitation for us to speak our minds about how we feel about it. Not use subtle (as it LOOKED like you were trying to use sarcasm subtly) but obvious remarks to slander the poster.

I will correct you sir, that is not what I intended to say, and if it came off that way I apologize. What I meant to say is there are other routes that can be taken then the ones we think we are being given.

Seriously dude, sounds like you are going to have a heart attack from all this…maybe just calm down a bit, start up guild wars and farm some mobs for a few hours…

LOL it’s funny because you just pointed out one of the issues. Actually, I’m fine. I’m just a good debater and I’m sorry that you are getting scared for my health.

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.

Just for the rewards to match.

Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.

Gauradan.8361:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Then, if people deem it acceptable and noone will speak up so that ArenaNet will change the costs to the previous costs (because, oh, did I mention dungeon armor was easier to acquire in betas and cultural armor costed less?), I will probably be playing Skyrim because guess what? There the armor that I like is a command line away and the choice whether to work for it so that I feel accomplishment when wearing it is mine and mine alone. That doesn’t mean I use cheats, because I don’t, but the choice is there. I don’t care about prestige and showing off my armor. I care about how my character looks. If I have to grind for 200 hours so that my character can look the way I want, ArenaNet and their game can go to hell.

Also you can’t compare a single player game to a multiplayer one.

Single player games can literally give out this stuff, a MMO has to have stuff that must seem rare.

All I am asking for is man when I beat a boss in a explorable mode can I get something of worth? Something to make me feel I was rewarded for downing the boss?

metaverse.6821:

Gauradan.8361:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Then, if people deem it acceptable and noone will speak up so that ArenaNet will change the costs to the previous costs (because, oh, did I mention dungeon armor was easier to acquire in betas and cultural armor costed less?), I will probably be playing Skyrim because guess what? There the armor that I like is a command line away and the choice whether to work for it so that I feel accomplishment when wearing it is mine and mine alone. That doesn’t mean I use cheats, because I don’t, but the choice is there. I don’t care about prestige and showing off my armor. I care about how my character looks. If I have to grind for 200 hours so that my character can look the way I want, ArenaNet and their game can go to hell.

Also you can’t compare a single player game to a multiplayer one.

Single player games can literally give out this stuff, a MMO has to have stuff that must seem rare.

All I am asking for is man when I beat a boss in a explorable mode can I get something of worth? Something to make me feel I was rewarded for downing the boss?

Dude, not only have they not given you that, they just took away the other reward. Do you see, they just keep making it more difficult, not challenging, difficult. Rare is rare, but having no compensation for the effort is just DUMB. It’s all about funneling us into the Cash shop.

metaverse.6821:

Gauradan.8361:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Then, if people deem it acceptable and noone will speak up so that ArenaNet will change the costs to the previous costs (because, oh, did I mention dungeon armor was easier to acquire in betas and cultural armor costed less?), I will probably be playing Skyrim because guess what? There the armor that I like is a command line away and the choice whether to work for it so that I feel accomplishment when wearing it is mine and mine alone. That doesn’t mean I use cheats, because I don’t, but the choice is there. I don’t care about prestige and showing off my armor. I care about how my character looks. If I have to grind for 200 hours so that my character can look the way I want, ArenaNet and their game can go to hell.

Also you can’t compare a single player game to a multiplayer one.

Single player games can literally give out this stuff, a MMO has to have stuff that must seem rare.

All I am asking for is man when I beat a boss in a explorable mode can I get something of worth? Something to make me feel I was rewarded for downing the boss?

As Stratto (at least I believe it was him) pointed out, there was enough grinding for legendary weapons. Dungeon armors shouldn’t be a grind. Oh, and I can compare the games. ArenaNet should give me reasons to play their game over Skyrim. It should feel at least as enjoyable and rewarding as the other option. Right now, besides the fact that it’s very much unrewarding, it’s also highly punitive (given repair and waypoint travel costs and how much you die).

Gauradan.8361:

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Have you ever tried not to be a mindless fanboy? They promised a game without gruelling grinds. Now, when it’s released, we find out the endgame is even grindier than in other MMOs. Then, when people find ways to elude the grind or make it easier, they nerf them. Why? As the OP pointed out, they’re trying to coerce you into spending money on gems (perhaps more money per month than you would have paid for a subscription). I would rather have paid 13 euros per month than have the game become this pile of dung designed to make you use the shop.

Fine transmutation stones used to be available for karma. Now, you hardly ever get them in the world, so store’s the way to go.

Repairs were something they weren’t even considering a year or two ago, yet here they are.

Traits were promised not to have a respec cost, yet here it is.

They claimed mounts weren’t needed because we had waypoints. Yet who would’ve known they would cost so much?

Because of the store, certain areas of the game are worse than even Guild Wars 1 (travel was free there, there was no armor damage).

No matter how much perfume you put on a pile of dung it will still stink. Despite the viral marketing, despite the crappy trailer that tells us about how they are innovating the genre, some people can still see that the endgame was designed to be a korean grind (a la NcSoft), designed to encourage you to use the store.

You don’t need to buy gems to convert to gold. I have a 5g backpack, a crafted exotic weapon, several gold chucked at the TP for crafting mats to finish off levelling huntsman, some gold converted into gems to buy dye and a few gold spare. Do some events, some dungeons, some WvW, some map completion and the daily achievement and you have a perfectly serviceable amount of money.

Yeah travel was free in GW1, but in GW1 people also hit the gold cap and had to start using ecto’s and armbraces of truth as an unofficial currency.

Ok so, I understand people are upset that Anet promised no grind except for vanity gear.

What I dont understand is how people say they cant get gear at all at 80. So you cant be full exotic the minute you hit 80, big whoop. Anyone can go to the TP and buy the green level 80 stuff of their choice, with the stats they want, and only be a few stats below exotic gear. The difference in damage is so low that you will probably never even notice it in a dungeon.

I don’t agree with the wild prices on some of the karma gear, especially the racial karma gear and believe those should be adjusted accordingly.

The exchanging Karma for gold was an exploit, no matter any way you want to put it. The people who purchased 10 or even 20 weapons didnt get banned, there were people buying thousands and having hundreds of gold because of this. You cant tell me they didnt know they were doing something wrong.

People need to stop playing the," Oh I didnt know it was wrong so I did it thousands of times" card.

And honestly, drop the cash shop crap. What items in this game that are a total necessity that require the use of the cash shop? What items can you buy with the cash shop that you couldnt just farm some events or do WvW or gather some mats?
So people wanna drop 300$ on gems, who really cares, they can buy their exotics, which are marginally better than the green versions and go do the same dungeons, at the same difficulty, spending the same time to get the vanity gear.

Maybe people dont understand, youre not really supposed to grind dungeons for tokens for the stats on the gear, crafted gear is so easily obtainable that the only reason to grind dungeons is either for looks or maybe money, but that was nerfed.

I think arenanet is doing their best to give us a game that is enjoyable. The more you kitten and whine, the less that gets done. So the game isnt completely perfect at release, what MMO ever was? What MMO in existence never had any bug or patch updates fixing things.

I can agree with some of Stratto’s points, mainly the karma and gold prices of some gear. I still don’t see this game as much of a grind unless you want vanity gear, you are just as powerful as anyone who would ever buy gems at 80. So they dont want you to get 7-9 bars of your level every dungeon run and they want you to experience the world some, it isnt as bad as you claim. I feel you are trying to vilify the company that is working hard to make their game fun and not giving them the credit to try to do something different.

Do you not think there were people like you on this long journey that told them “This is a horrible way to do things and it will never work”, but here we are, most of us anyway, enjoying the game that a lot said would never work. Have some faith in Anet, this is their baby, I dont think they will let it rot and not nurture it.

Stratto.3869:

metaverse.6821:

Gauradan.8361:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

Then, if people deem it acceptable and noone will speak up so that ArenaNet will change the costs to the previous costs (because, oh, did I mention dungeon armor was easier to acquire in betas and cultural armor costed less?), I will probably be playing Skyrim because guess what? There the armor that I like is a command line away and the choice whether to work for it so that I feel accomplishment when wearing it is mine and mine alone. That doesn’t mean I use cheats, because I don’t, but the choice is there. I don’t care about prestige and showing off my armor. I care about how my character looks. If I have to grind for 200 hours so that my character can look the way I want, ArenaNet and their game can go to hell.

Also you can’t compare a single player game to a multiplayer one.

Single player games can literally give out this stuff, a MMO has to have stuff that must seem rare.

All I am asking for is man when I beat a boss in a explorable mode can I get something of worth? Something to make me feel I was rewarded for downing the boss?

Dude, not only have they not given you that, they just took away the other reward. Do you see, they just keep making it more difficult, not challenging, difficult. Rare is rare, but having no compensation for the effort is just DUMB. It’s all about funneling us into the Cash shop.

I agree there though.

I actually enjoyed the challenge of the dungeon…but the reward system in this game is just off right now.

Gauradan.8361:

As Stratto (at least I believe it was him) pointed out, there was enough grinding for legendary weapons.

^That was Metaverse.

I think I might be able to solve this problem right here and now for you.

This is the way the current state of the game is. This is how it was designed. This is how it was in the beta events you were invited to. While ANet likes feedback, you paid for THIS game.

If you do not like the current state of the game I would encourage you to find another game more suited to your needs and check back on this one from time to time to see if it is progressing in the direction you want.

I really don’t like to see anyone unhappy in any game they play, but part of that responsibility falls on the player themselves to recognize when they are not having fun and stop spending time in the game.

My point is, if you want to play the game how it is, play it…if you don’t like it and don’t agree don’t play it. The choice is yours, but please stop getting so worked up over it…whether you choose to play or not it’s still just a game and will eventually be gone years from now.

Roxey.3695:

Ok so, I understand people are upset that Anet promised no grind except for vanity gear.

What I dont understand is how people say they cant get gear at all at 80. So you cant be full exotic the minute you hit 80, big whoop. Anyone can go to the TP and buy the green level 80 stuff of their choice, with the stats they want, and only be a few stats below exotic gear. The difference in damage is so low that you will probably never even notice it in a dungeon.

I don’t agree with the wild prices on some of the karma gear, especially the racial karma gear and believe those should be adjusted accordingly.

The exchanging Karma for gold was an exploit, no matter any way you want to put it. The people who purchased 10 or even 20 weapons didnt get banned, there were people buying thousands and having hundreds of gold because of this. You cant tell me they didnt know they were doing something wrong.

People need to stop playing the," Oh I didnt know it was wrong so I did it thousands of times" card.

And honestly, drop the cash shop crap. What items in this game that are a total necessity that require the use of the cash shop? What items can you buy with the cash shop that you couldnt just farm some events or do WvW or gather some mats?
So people wanna drop 300$ on gems, who really cares, they can buy their exotics, which are marginally better than the green versions and go do the same dungeons, at the same difficulty, spending the same time to get the vanity gear.

Maybe people dont understand, youre not really supposed to grind dungeons for tokens for the stats on the gear, crafted gear is so easily obtainable that the only reason to grind dungeons is either for looks or maybe money, but that was nerfed.

I think arenanet is doing their best to give us a game that is enjoyable. The more you kitten and whine, the less that gets done. So the game isnt completely perfect at release, what MMO ever was? What MMO in existence never had any bug or patch updates fixing things.

I can agree with some of Stratto’s points, mainly the karma and gold prices of some gear. I still don’t see this game as much of a grind unless you want vanity gear, you are just as powerful as anyone who would ever buy gems at 80. So they dont want you to get 7-9 bars of your level every dungeon run and they want you to experience the world some, it isnt as bad as you claim. I feel you are trying to vilify the company that is working hard to make their game fun and not giving them the credit to try to do something different.

Do you not think there were people like you on this long journey that told them “This is a horrible way to do things and it will never work”, but here we are, most of us anyway, enjoying the game that a lot said would never work. Have some faith in Anet, this is their baby, I dont think they will let it rot and not nurture it.

I would like to see the proof that people bought thousands and had thousands of gold, A, and B, why not just take the gold away? Why did they ban them completely, these people didn’t even have a chance to defend themselves. Exchanging Karma for Gold is not what the designers wanted, yet they allowed it.

Have you noticed that the items you get from the karma merchants/ faction merchants/ and racial merchants are items you can’t sell to an NPC? That seems like a fix to me, so why haven’t they brought the prices back down? These are the kind of questions that go unanswered. These are the kind of questions that should be asked.

metaverse.6821:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.

Just for the rewards to match.

Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.

That’s my point, you are equating how ‘fun’ the task is by how much coin you get for it. Doing it and getting 10g or doing it and getting 1cp, the activity is exactly the same.

If it’s something you want to do and playing the game is the reward, the coin is irrelevent. If it’s something you don’t really want to do and you are only jumping through hoops to get what you personally deem as a worthwhile thing then you can only expect people to disagree.

Chris.7653:

I think I might be able to solve this problem right here and now for you.

This is the way the current state of the game is. This is how it was designed. This is how it was in the beta events you were invited to. While ANet likes feedback, you paid for THIS game.

If you do not like the current state of the game I would encourage you to find another game more suited to your needs and check back on this one from time to time to see if it is progressing in the direction you want.

I really don’t like to see anyone unhappy in any game they play, but part of that responsibility falls on the player themselves to recognize when they are not having fun and stop spending time in the game.

My point is, if you want to play the game how it is, play it…if you don’t like it and don’t agree don’t play it. The choice is yours, but please stop getting so worked up over it…whether you choose to play or not it’s still just a game and will eventually be gone years from now.

You are wrong, the logic of “find another game” is soooo bogus. We payed for a product that was enjoyable yes? and now they have changed the parameters of the product, so, we as consumers are voicing our opinions. You can call this “Free to play” but we payed 60 bucks for it and now they are funneling us into have to purchase more from them for the EXACT same experience we were getting a few weeks ago. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT?

Anet does not have a sub fee to support future content. Instead, they use a cash shop to support any future content. Does Anet use tactics to get players to buy gems? Of course they do. Is there anything wrong with this? Of course there isn’t. Anet is in business to make money. I have over 10g and have over 1100 gems (haven’t made it past lvl 35) and I have not spent one penny, nor will I ever.

Flashheart.8749:

metaverse.6821:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.

Just for the rewards to match.

Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.

That’s my point, you are equating how ‘fun’ the task is by how much coin you get for it. Doing it and getting 10g or doing it and getting 1cp, the activity is exactly the same.

If it’s something you want to do and playing the game is the reward, the coin is irrelevent. If it’s something you don’t really want to do and you are only jumping through hoops to get what you personally deem as a worthwhile thing then you can only expect people to disagree.

Exactly. If you do not enjoy spending your spare time doing a dungeon, why would you suddenly want to do the dungeon you hate so much if they give you 1g for it?

Dungeons are there for people who actually enjoy them as a fun group activity with their friends and guild. They’re not there as some kind of virtual job, with Anet paying people in gold to complete boring chores.

If you don’t enjoy the dungeon itself, go do something else.

Roxey.3695:

I think arenanet is doing their best to give us a game that is enjoyable. The more you kitten and whine, the less that gets done. So the game isnt completely perfect at release, what MMO ever was? What MMO in existence never had any bug or patch updates fixing things.

Bugs? Really? How about the fact that dungeon and cultural armor cost were increased tenfold since the beta? Nobody complained in the beta yet they were changed anyway.

Nobody complained about dyes being account-wide either. That was changed as well.

Nobody complained about transmutation stones costing karma. Now they cost gems.

If you think ArenaNet is doing this for your enjoyment, you’re either a fanboy or a fool. I know this might come as a surprise to you (in fact, it would be wise if you grabbed on to something, this may be exceedingly shocking), but it’s about money. MONEY. M-O-N-E-Y.

If we accept what they did with the cash shop so far, we’ll be seeing a lot worse. A lot worse.

Flashheart.8749:

metaverse.6821:

Flashheart.8749:

They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?

Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.

Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.

No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.

Just for the rewards to match.

Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.

That’s my point, you are equating how ‘fun’ the task is by how much coin you get for it. Doing it and getting 10g or doing it and getting 1cp, the activity is exactly the same.

If it’s something you want to do and playing the game is the reward, the coin is irrelevent. If it’s something you don’t really want to do and you are only jumping through hoops to get what you personally deem as a worthwhile thing then you can only expect people to disagree.

Then I will say this NOW, after you have done all these story modes/exp all you have LEFT is the rewards from dong them swiftly and skillfully. We will all eventually get to the place some of us 80s are at. Quit being a fanboy and see the problem instead of mindlessly backing the company. Problem is: We are getting less of the game rewards now for the same amount of effort than we were 2 weeks ago. WDungeon grinding wasn’t hurting the economy, it was helping it, does anyone else remember when the exotics used to make legendarys were 14 Gold?